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Nice Guys Finish Last = Fallacy, Passive & Deceptive Guys Finish Last

 
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After reading a lot of thoughts on the seemingly age-old dating credo "nice guys finish last", I felt I had to throw my $0.02 into the pot and chime in on this issue.

According to the adage, guys who are "nice" in any endeavor of life (but especially dating) will end up lonely and unfulfilled, unhappy, etc. And to that, I say "BS!" It's false, a fallacy!

Echoing my sentiments from a previous comment - it's not nice guys that finish last in life, it's passive ones. Ones that don't take responsibility for their own choices or the consequences of those choices, don't believe in themselves enough, don't stand up for themselves, and don't summon the courage to initiate interaction with the opposite sex. Yet, who feel justified in blaming anything or anyone else for their own lack of success in life, whether it pertains to dating or other matters. THOSE are the guys that finish last.

If anyone has seen some of my answers on the site, or read my first article on confidence, then they know that I'm a reformed shy guy. I didn't have my first date until I was 20, and my relationships with the opposite sex were nil until I overcame my shyness.
"It's not nice guys that finish last in life, it's passive ones."

So for any shy guys out there reading this, I know all too well where you're coming from and how painful it can be sometimes. I'm not targeting this article towards you, but more at the passive-aggressive whiners out there who bemoan their low standing in the dating world, while not noticing that they're driving away potential dates with their martyr-intensive, "woe-is-me" mentality.

So to the shy guys out there who DON'T fit that description - trust me fellas, I've got your back. At the same time shy guys, make the conscious effort to talk to women! They're regular people too - and your sincere efforts may result in some very positive progress.

Here's a hypothetical situation:

If a man approaches a woman acting very "friend-ly" and doesn't flirt or tease, convey interest, or acts needy/insecure, should he really be surprised if some women don't view him as a dating prospect? Or what about the "nice guy pretenders", who comprise one of the largest Rogue's Galleries in the dating world? If some guys are putting on a false facade of "niceness" to try and attract women, then that's called manipulation and having an agenda - please excuse me if my sympathy level for them is non-existent.

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In contrast, for those guys out there without ulterior motives and who truly are good people, I feel for you - they are the guys who get the bad rap. Because of the incessant number of deceptive creepers out there pretending to be "nice", the guys who truly are good people often get painted with the same brush. It's unfortunate, but the deceptive creepers I spoke of are emulating the sincere traits of these good guys, and some women can't distinguish between the two. Which is not necessarily their fault, sometimes it's just difficult to see where a guy is coming from, and that's totally understandable.

For guys who may feel pigeon-holed into that "nice guy" stereotype, think about this: are you being "nice" to achieve a desired result in dating, or are you truly a caring person on the inside?

Which brings me to another key character trait lacking in some guys: assertiveness.

Some guys out there think they're doing good in the world by putting everyone else's needs ahead of their own, relegating their own desires to second-tier status, and who expect to be pinned with a medal for their years of personal self-sacrifice. I'm sorry, but the world just doesn't work that way. It's completely natural and healthy to put yourself first at times, whether it concerns your health, professional matters, love life, etc.
"Last time I checked, "doormat" wasn't a character trait seen as respectable by either gender."
It kills me to see this, but some guys so desperately want the love and affection of others that they will completely subjugate themselves to achieve that - while at the same time, making themselves appear to be spineless doormats. The last time I checked, "doormat" wasn't a character trait seen as respectable by either gender. Putting yourself first sometimes for the important things in your life is not only right and healthy, but it's expected, and a necessary component to making personal progress - and I repeat, it is NOT selfish to do so (as long as you're not someone who always does that, of course). It's possible to both make your important needs a priority, and help fulfill other people too, and that balance is the healthiest and most desirable personal "zone", so to speak.

Also, if you think people are unfairly taking advantage of you, stand up and take steps to prevent it! Show those people that they can't walk all over you, or they'll continue to do it.
Stop being passive!
  • Put yourself first at times
  • Don't be a doormat
  • Make your important needs a priority
  • Don't let others walk all over you
  • Don't be afraid to show other positive qualities

But that aside, here's a point for the truly sincere males to consider: what other reasons should a woman date you besides being a "nice" guy? Are you interesting, handsome, outgoing, funny, proactive, artistic, athletic, or any number of other reasons why a woman could be attracted to you? It's great that you're friendly, caring and polite - by all means, don't change that. I'm just saying that the odds of a woman being attracted to a guy based on his nice personality alone aren't very high.

However, if he is someone that is successful, has an interesting life, etc. and is a nice guy in addition to that, he stands a much better chance than a guy whose only positive attribute is his niceness. If you guys out there possess those positive qualities I just mentioned or other unique traits, don't be afraid to show them! Revel in them! Chances are, there's women out there looking for special souls such as yourselves.

In conclusion, I say this: to the guys out there who are putting on a fake show of "niceness" in the hopes of attracting women, I very much hope that you change your ways. Because not only is your deception wrong and self-serving, you're also making it that much harder for the truly good men out there to be trusted due to your wolf-in-sheep's clothing act.

And to you truly good guys out there who may still be looking for your special someone, I salute you, sirs. Your positive personality attributes are seen as attractive and your continued efforts will eventually pay off, because you are putting your TRUE self forward.

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  • 9 months ago
    Flipside: on that last line, I couldn't agree more!
  • 9 months ago
    ...super exuberant persona and thus, was placed squarely in the 'outgoing' category. Funny this is I met a guy who was the opposite, very self assured but outwardly shy -- short story long I now don't spaz all the time in public situations, and he's cool with crowded rooms. I feel like we both fit into the shy, and 'nice' categories in different ways, but other traits have allowed us to grow past those labels. Bottom line: I'd much rather interact with genuine and interesting people, than jerks.
  • 9 months ago
    This article makes so much SENSE. And I do think it can apply to both guys and girls, or course there will be twists involved, but the basics are there. I also like reading it because there are different sorts of shy, in the past I didn't date because I felt like a fish out of water with anything that remotely involved affection or any interaction that wasn't strictly platonic, distanced and therefore safe. However, externally most people never guessed because I compensated with this
  • 9 months ago
    Thank you much - I appreciate the comment, thanks for reading!
  • 9 months ago
    I wish you could personally coach about a million guys!
  • Over a year ago
    If only everyone could have such healthy self-esteem, though. Unfortunately, some people become so down on themselves that they need to be reminded of their better qualities And yes, people should want to be successful/happy for themselves, but an added side benefit to that mindset is that having healthy self-esteem and ambition attracts other people.
  • Over a year ago
    If you have to sit and actually think about what makes you a great person, you're probably trying to hard. I'm successful and happy because I WANT to be, for myself, not because I think it will be more attractive to women.
  • Over a year ago
    I agree - it's a tough reality, but the fact is that more often, shy and quiet people have to adjust to the rest of the world, instead of the world being more accepting of them. I do believe that nice guys still have a chance, but the trick is that they have to make their presence known - they can't just stand back in the proverbial shadows, say or do nothing, and expect to spark a woman's interest.
  • Over a year ago
    They do finish last. Most women can't stand shy quiet men. They will never admit it, because it makes them look shallow, so they'll say things like "Oh, shy men are adorable" but in reality they will always take the loud aggressive baffoon over the nice guy every time. Apparently if you lack the skills to make a girl laugh you are socially unacceptable. To preserve their own sanity, many nice guys have given up and completely ignore women.
  • Over a year ago
    Thanks Superman, glad you enjoyed it!
  • Over a year ago
    Damn good article- you simply told the truth.
  • Over a year ago
    Thanks for the kind words, I am very glad you liked it! :-)
  • Over a year ago
    AMEN!!!! You ROCK. love that you're a dude too
  • Over a year ago
    Thank you for the kind words, and welcome to the website. If this article could help even just one fellow person out there, I would consider it a job well done. Congrats too on your decade of happiness with your husband. :-)
  • Over a year ago
    Even though you posted this 7 mths ago. I just registered today. I really liked what you had to say. This is coming from a married woman. I wish more men and women had your point of view. Maybe then there would be a lot of healthy relationships out there. I know all too well about being shy and not until I met my husband did I come out of my shell. We are going strong for almost 10 years. Bumpy ride but, well worth it. I wish everyone luck in finding that special someone.
  • Over a year ago
    Thanks for writing, Gerald - and it's true, they are out there. They're interesting to watch, mostly because when some of them try to pick up women, they end up outsmarting themselves, and the woman sees right through them. But just in case some women don't recognize it, I included that situation in this article.
  • Over a year ago
    Nice article. I never knew there would be guys who fake "nice" just to get girls.
  • Over a year ago
    I'm glad you enjoyed it, and thank you for the kind words. Obviously I could only write from my own experience as a man, but some of the advice contained above could definitely apply for women as well. And if it helps out or benefits the awesome and amazing group of "nice girls" out there, then I'd feel pretty great about that 8-)
  • Over a year ago
    I like this article, and I think girls as well as guys can learn a lot from it, such as how to assert yourself, how to correctly project your unique personality, and how to see how your actions affect people's perceptions of everyone else.
  • Over a year ago
    Absolutely - be a first-rate version of yourself, rather than a second-rate imitation of someone else. I'm glad to hear that things worked out for you.
  • Over a year ago
    Past, it didn't make me a bad person. She has had a rough past too, way more than I would ever wish upon anyone although probably one of the least painful I've heard of. Now, we feel like the happiest people alive. Sometimes I am shy with things but with her maybe I wasn't confident but wass comfortable so it was a lot easier. Always remember to be yourself
  • Over a year ago
    Took me months to convince my girlfriend she could trust me, she saw my shyness was genuine and now because of her I have a new found confidence in everything I do. Before her I did have one other girlfriend but I did not even have the courage to kiss her after 2 weeks before she left me. The first few weeks I was with my current one I was so scared of letting myself fall in love in case I was hurt or I told her things I don't tell anyone else, once I opened up I realised how just because I had a bad
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