Why do some women think that guys that who are nice are also weak?

No gorillas! Women tend to think nice guys mean meek and quiet. A lot of the time we fantasize about the big strong man rescuing us. Unfortunately the saying nice guys finish last can be used in this predicament. Power and tempers immediately come to mind when you think about "strong" men. I personally like the strong silent type!

Because guys who refer to themselves as "nice" are often weak. Why do some guys act like it's either or? Like if you don't want a guy who is soft then that means you have to want some abusive tough guy?

I will be straight up - I do not like "nice guys"! I like guys who respect themselves, set boundaries, and are assertive. You can still be a "nice person" and do all these, but you don't have to focus so much on being "nice". When you focus on being nice you're thinking of how others perceive you and I don't think that's a good thing. You should of course control your emotions, but there is always a happy medium. Stand up for yourself when necessary.

I never thought "nice guys finish last" was about nice guys being weak. My big worry was that the sex would be nice and boring, rather than hot or wild or exciting. I think I just assumed that boys who were a little aggressive and dominant during the day would be the same in bed (which is what I want) and that boys who were nice would never turn me on.
Eventually experience taught me that nice during the day doesn't necessarily mean he'll be unknowledgeable/unconfident/not fun in bed. I'm now 100% over putting up with bad boys' bad attitudes for good sex because I know I can get it elsewhere!

They're afraid that one day, all those suppressed feelings are going to explode on them! Are you expressing yourself at all? There is a such thing as healthy discussions. Please don't sacrifice your own feelings and opinions to keep the peace. I'd like to suggest you take an anger management course. These course teach you the proper way to express yourself. I LOVE nice guys and think they're strong however, are you being nice or holding back?

You should join the SLAP-A-Hoe Tribe.they'll show those girls who like them tuff guys what is up.

It is possible that a girl will go for athe NICE guy who is more than capable of beating the 'alleged' tough guy's ass. Isn't that what characters like Batman, Ironman, etc represent? That could be ideal some girls look for.

Well tell you the truth my parents got divorced when I was 1. So I grew up in a house full of women. So I have a tendency to be the nice guy that your talking about. And ladies hate that. Well I guess. But don't know. Maybe all guys should be assholes oh wait they hate those to. So never mind. Woman are unpredictable so ya. Which sucks for us nice guys.

I guess not when I was little some1 told me this saying don't mistake my kindness 4 weakness and I tell my friend all the time because we joke with each other all the time he says you're scared off me that's y you don't hit ever hit me and I say know a real man doesn't need to fight over little things you mite be bigger but in actuality I'm the bigger man by not knocking you out rite now he pisses me off sometimes lol but to me people who can control themselves get a lot of respect from me that's 4 sure to me acting like that makes you look like a jackass and ur not scaring me what so ever

Honestly, does it even matter? I get your point that "nice" doesn't have to equal weak, but I have to say that I think it's of minimal importance in an individual guy's life as far as finding the right woman. What you're talking about is a cultural construct that is very powerful in the US - one that informs and affects both men and women. Some cultures push it to a stronger extent and others don't.

To me it's a live and let die perspective. While it's certainly true that some women view things this way, it doesn't follow from that that all women will. And of those who do, why worry about it? If you could change that one viewpoint of theirs, would it matter? My experience in dealing with people has been that belief systems are expressed in more than one area. You'll coach a team, raise your kid, treat your friends, and talk to your spouse in a similar manner.

I think it's more important to look for the girl that has the same values, beliefs, and types of dreams that you do. Taking the beliefs of some women and worrying about them is a natural impulse, but really unnecessary. Why are some people skinheads? Why do some people torture kittens? Why did Michael Vick think fighting pit bulls was a great idea? Knuckle-head self-destruction will never wear itself out.

Don't be a knuckle-head worrying about and trying to change a girl who doesn't value the strengths you have to offer. Let her cry while you are out with a better girl.

I frown on your gorilla analogy. The gorillas at the zoo sit around wishing they were free. I think a better analogy would be someone like Eminem kicking his pregnant wife (and still later on ranking as the sexiest guy according to teen girls back in 2001). Got to wonder what kind of half-formed thoughts are burbling in those ladies' heads.

Yeah they think nice guys are weak, plain and simple that's why nice guys never get the girl and if they do get the girl they always end up losing their girl to another guy , who's not nice. Now this doesn't mean to go out and beat the hell outta women it just means don't let them mess with you, if you play into their games, then my friend you lose plain and simple, so don't do it. When you start calling them all the time and always wanting to hang out with them, they see this as your to easy to get a hold of and your no more a challenge. They love a challenge so my friend challenge them, don't be their doormat.