So, what do you guys think of while dating but not officially girlfriend/boyfriend yet, but they know they like each other but not ready yet for a serious relationship. Should the guys pay when they are going out or splitting the tab? What would a gentleman do? Personally, I think guy should pay if they like the girl, so how do I convey that message to the guy?
This is a tricky issue, especially given the way dating and culture have changed over the last 30-40 years. Some guys are old-school gentlemen and will always insist on taking care of the check - I personally think a guy should always at least offer to pay. Ironically, I've met some girls who "don't" want the guy to pay, because they don't want to feel obligated or indebted to him, and they will insist on going "dutch" or splitting the bill. Something my brother and his girlfriend do are alternating who takes care of the check - one will buy lunch and the other will take care of dinner.
As far as conveying that to the guy, that's also tricky. To do so on the date when the check comes without possible awkwardness is near-impossible. I would maybe drop a verbal hint beforehand that you like to date "gentlemen", and hopefully the guy is socially savvy enough to know what you mean, good luck.
i pay no matter who it is - and if they keep stopping me and saying 'no, no, no, I will pay for it' - I will make sure I pay for it... and if the girl does end up paying it for some reason - I will make sure I give her the money for mine and hers...
What happened to women wanting equality? They want equal pay even though they often can not perform equal work, but then they want the guy too pay. I wish you would have given your reason why you think the guy should pay. If you knew me you would know I am very much for equality for women, but I also expect them to perform equally. I have known a few woman who I am just in awe of, they are as good or better at what they do as most men, and I think they should be paid like it.
How bout if the guy is working and the girl still a student? - 11 months ago
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I don't know. Maybe the pairs activities should be somewhat limited too things that would fall within the means of the student. Otherwise the student might start feeling that they were taking advantage of the worker. - 11 months ago
If the guy is working and the girl is a student its more understandable. But what if its the other way round? I'm a student but do part time translation so richer than a lot of guys I know. Surely I should be paying for them under the same logic? - 9 months ago
If you expect the guy to pay, you should tell him that upfront. don't hint, don't say "i forgot my purse at home." tell him "i expect a guy to pay for my dates".
if that's what you truly think, be honest and gutsy enough to "convey that message" by saying it out loud.
yes because its the man's job to be the gentle man and pay for the woman's food or date. just tell him staright out that men are suppose to be the gentle man or just simply say we can't go out anymore and if asks why not just say I don't have any money whatsoever and if he says ok no problem he is a jerk if he tries an alternate soloution tahts your man
I have a question actually. If I tell him straight up, will he think that I'm a gold digger? - 11 months ago
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Tell him somthing like " look I love you and everything but it would be nice if you can pay for our dates once in a while to, I think it should be your part to pay for our dates I am not telling you what to waste on me but I just woudl wnat you for you to step it up and be a gentle man" it would be hard saying that but believe me if you word it somewhere around liek that it can work. - 11 months ago
Right. Different girls have different beliefs about this. Some girls will go dutch, others want the guy to pay - still I've never met any who would pay the guys way, I guess maybe if I were to date a girl who was much better off than I was it would happen.
Personally I don't want to let a little thing like that get in the way of my getting to know the girl. If I like the girl enough I don't mind if she believes that the guy should pay, and I'll have no problem paying.
My own preference is to go dutch all the time, by default. But if I sense she's the kind who wants the guy to pay the first few times, it's not a dealbreaker for me.
There is nothing wrong or ungentlemanly about a man just because he chooses not to treat women according to a set of rules that were made during a time when women had no rights and were treated as a man's property. Customs such as paying for the woman's meal, opening a door for her, are all bi-products of a mentality people used to have years and years ago that said women were inferior to men.
In my opinion it is only right for the person who planned the date (whether it is the guy OR the girl) to pay, though the other person should at least offer to pay for their own food.
I wouldn't ask a girl out on a date if I didn't have every intention of paying for her food, but if she didn't at least offer to pay for her own food, I would be a bit put off, and possibly not go out with her again. Likewise if she was the one who planned everything and asked me out on a date, I would expect her to at least pay for her own food, and while I would go prepared to pay for my own food, I would expect that she had the intention of paying when she asked.
This is the 21st century. Equality (in EVERY way) is the name of the game in today's world, and there is NO difference whatsoever between what a man's role is and what a woman's role is in a relationship. And you can't say you want equality in one area but not in another. If a woman tried to pull that crap with me I'd throw her out with the garbage. The way I see it, if a woman isn't willing to go with true equality in every respect, with a complete equal division of responsibilities, then she needs to go back to being the man's personal maid, cook, sex toy, and mother of his many children. Anything in between is an unfair double standard.
Sorry, this is just a subject I feel very strongly about.
Anyway, to answer the second part of the question, you need to flat out tell him what your expectations are. Men don't want to try to figure out hints or read signs. If you want something, come out and say it or you may never get it. And don't be surprised if this causes him to cease dating you, because there are a LOT of guys in todays day and age who feel as strongly about this subject as I do.
How about not! men and women are not equal. if they were they would look the same, have generally the same interests, have generally the same priorities, etc. - 11 months ago
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If theyre not equal then they maybe shouldnt have fought for equal rights and to be treated equally. or did they mean they want to be given all the benefits and none of the responsibility that comes with it? - 11 months ago
See, chivalrous can mean many different things. You have to bear in mind that the knights' code of chivalry was practiced by some of the most barbaric people who ever lived. They would rape their opponents' women on the battlefields and then come home to their wives. In many ways, being "chivalrous" or practicing "gentlemenly" things is regarding your woman as an inferior, or as your property, and I won't do that for that reason alone. - 11 months ago
Men and women are both human beings, and they ARE equal - one of them can either pay for their own portion or cover for them and their significant other, if they so choose, without it being offensive. WeaponZero is right on the money, so to speak - women can't have it both ways. True equality addresses this issue, and dispels the sexist and outdated notions of yesteryear. - 11 months ago
Women fought for SOME equal rights - not all of them! and a lot of them don't have anything to do with dating, such as voting, working, etc. I'm not saying that men always have to pay for dates but they shouldn't expect women to especially if they like them and had asked them out. This is not just because it shows they care but it's also a lot more impressive for women. and all because they're both human beings doesn't mean that they're the same - in fact in many ways they aren't. - 11 months ago
If the guy initiates the date, he should be prepared to cover the cost, I definitely agree on that point. I just don't think it's horrible if the girl at the very least *offers* to pay every now and then - or the guy and girl can alternate paying the cost. He could pay one date and she could cover another one at some point. How is that possibly unfair? Guys who empty their wallets over and over without the girl even offering to pay are dating entitled people who think they're made of money. - 11 months ago
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You know, how bout if the woman drives and the man doesn't and the girl has to pick the man up while going out together. Will he still expect the girl to pay the tab? Are you kidding me?!! - 11 months ago
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I've never run into that. We always met at the place. - 11 months ago
"You know, how bout if the woman drives and the man doesn't and the girl has to pick the man up while going out together?"
In that case, any fair-minded guy would pay the check. It all depends on the individual circumstances. I'm just saying that for guys are making a mistake if they continually date a woman who won't even offer to pay for herself at any time. - 11 months ago
You guys should date British girls ;) Haha. Generally British women believe in going Dutch or taking turns. Check out my rant - if she expects the guy to pay, I expect her to give up the right to vote or equal pay! - 9 months ago
First date guy always pays, from then on out then it can either or, I went with a girl once and I would pay one weekend and the next when I would go for the check she would say no I am paying you payed last week. I don't think the guy should pay every single time that gets really expensive really fast and most guys are still in high school and college so they don't really have a ton of money to spend.
Most girls offer to pay, when the check comes they always say I can pay for my dinner, and some don't oh man I have been on dates like that where they didn't even offer they say something like well you wanted to take me out this is your date so you should pay.
personally, every time the check for dinner comes, I tell the guy that we should split the bill... that way we are both happy and even, if the guy insist on paying then ill say once more that I don't mind paying for my own meal, but if he keeps insisting I would let him pay (but I'm ok with splitting the check or I pay on one date and he pays on another date)
i do like it when the guy insists on paying because it's very gentlemen like and I'm kinda stuck on the nice and sweet idea of a man being masculine and dominant and taking care of the woman
just so you guys know, if you do pay (at least if you pay for me), it will be much appreciated and in one way or another rewarded XD
In the UK I think this is more normal, but I always go halves. Or I let the guy pay for one thing, and I pay for the next thing.
I know one very eligible, good-looking, generous, well-paid, highly-educated, hilarious friend who has dumped women straight off for expecting him to pay for everything. Its not because he is stingy, its because he wants to be treated as an equal not a meal ticket.
Otherwise you are a glorified prostitute - you are indebted to him, he may feel he bought the right to do x y and z.
Show some self-respect, do you really need a man to pay for stuff? What century is this?
I hate it when women go on about women's rights, then fall back to this sort of behaviour when it suits them.
If you expect him to pay for you, I expect YOU to forsake your right to vote and equal pay!
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