Ok, my boyfriend and I have been together for almost 3 weeks now, and we dated for a while before that. he's a really great guy! I like him a lot and treats me really well. he makes me feel good about myself and he always says the right things... but he never pays for me. I'm not trying to sound shallow, or cheap, its just that its a courtesy, isn't it? just a nice, gentlemanly thing to do? I don't even mean that he has to pay every time, just once in a while so that I still feel like the girl in the relationship, ya know? but am I wrong to feel this way? is the guy paying really overrated?
and if its not, how can I tell him that its almost humiliating to me when we go somewhere as a couple and ask for separate checks?
Nothing wrong with it as long as you offer to pay for him now and then too. The whole thing about guys paying for girls comes from back when guys were the only ones with money to spend, so they had to pay for girls. Now that girls can make just as much as guys the reason behind that practice doesn't really apply anymore, and a some guys see that.
Take for example my situation: I went out on a date with a girl a few nights ago where I paid for her, and she says that she wants to pay for me next time around. I like that.
The best thing for you to do is to tell him how you feel about it. Tell him that it would make you feel like you were a better couple if he payed for you sometimes. He will understand, don't be afraid to tell partners things like this. My ex demanded that she pay for herself even after I offered to pay and then when we broke up she said she felt like she was "wearing the pants" too much. See what poor communication does to relationships, it ends them. Go talk to him about it and it should be fine. Good luck.
No, paying is not always the nice gentlemanly thing to do. Paying _was_ the nice gentlemanly thing to do until women stopped being ladies, and start being independent women. Now it's all up in the air: you can't expect guys to act like old-style gentlemen if you don't act like old-style ladies. It's a yin-yang thing.
Why is it humiliating when he asks for separate checks?
I think she's just saying that it's awkward because it implies that they're not together. It's an emotional thing. - 10 months ago
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Because I'm a traditionalist. I like the idea of a lady being a lady and a gentleman being a gentleman and to me, when he asks for separate checks, it feels like he's telling me and the public "i don't care enough." I know he does, but it doesn't make it easier... - 10 months ago
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Exactly, it is definitely an emotional thing. - 10 months ago
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Have you told him your opinion? How did he respond?
If you're a traditionalist, I assume you've not had sex with him, correct? Because traditionally, women saved themselves for marriage. - 10 months ago
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I haven't told him because I don't want it to become an awkward or touchy subject. and I really don't want him to pay because he feels like he has to. and no, I haven't had sex with him, why? - 10 months ago
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Since the '60s feminist/sexual revolutions, dating rules have changed. Men used to always pay. That time is gone. Now paying for dates is negotiable. You have 2 choices: accept that he won't pay, or ask him to pay whether it's touchy or not.
I asked about sex because traditionally, ladies saved themselves for marriage. That rule's also changed. Many girls expect "gentlemanly" behavior when they're "unladylike" But if you've not slept with him, you're a true traditionalist and I respect it. - 10 months ago
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I realize that the rules have changed, I just don't like it. but I understand the negotiation concept and, for the most part, I agree with it. I might try to talk to him, thank you.
and thank you for your comment about waiting until marriage :) - 10 months ago
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I wish the rules were more consistent, too.
Most girls like the guy to pay, but some want to split costs and others are offended if the guy pays all the time. It's maddening. - 10 months ago
well honestly my last couple of relationships were like that but I didn't really care because I don't expect a guy to pay for me at all.. unless he asks me out for dinner than I expect him to at least pay... but I guess you can say that most men more than likely pay for a couple of dates...
I like what redhead said, about if you invite you pay, if he invites he pays... though for me, that's how I am with my friends, not my bf.
Im older (but not old...hah!) and I'm very old fashioned. Its been 2 years with my boyfriend and I still don't pay for any dates. My boyfriend said it best "Its my responsibility cause I'm the one courting you..not the other way around" There are times when we go out for drinks, he's talking with friends or I don't see him around so I go ahead and pay for our drinks when they are ready...he can't stand it when I do that and tells me to just start a tab or come get him. I still do it sometimes though... ;)
Ive always felt this way though, and tend to meet guys who feel the same way. Most of my friends on the other hand lean to paying dutch or taking turns paying, and tend to meet guys who want to do it that way. Personally, I don't mind paying (I hate dutch so Id rather take the whole tab) if I'm out with friends. If I did start paying for dates...Id either start seeing the guy as more of a friend than a romantic interest...or Id start feeling like the more dominant factor in the relationship. And I don't want that...so it wouldn't last.
Well, if it bugs you so much, slightly overestimate how much you spent on your meal, and pay for that part, he pays for the same thing for himself, and what's left over is the tip. It's kind of a courtesy, but not required in a relationship. Keep in mind that you haven't offered to pay for him, either. Granted, chivalry isn't dead, but trying to enforce it is a bad idea. Maybe if you both paid for each other, and alternated, it would be better. If he does and says all the right things, and is really sweet, then you should feel great that your boyfriend is so awesome, and him not paying for a meal is a minor thing.
I'd have a casual conversation about this. I don't always like the guy to pay so I've had that conversation before too. Just casually mention that you'd like him to pay for things sometimes. Tell him that it should be a mutual thing. He should pay sometimes, and you will pay sometimes. One-sided doesn't work.
Since he's made it clear that he doesn't want to pay for everything (by his actions), don't pressure him. To simplify things and avoid awkwardness, go half-and-half not with splitting the check, but with him paying for both of you half the dates and you doing the same.
A good rule of thumb for the first few dates, when you're NOT in a relationship yet is that the date-planner pays for both, whether it's the guy or the girl. That way, if you can't afford something fancy, you plan something within your budget, and if he wants to splurge, he's responsible. It's just simpler that way.
But since you're in a relationship, it's probably a good time to discuss this with your boyfriend. Just say that instead of always splitting you'd like to...(see paragraph 1). Even if he wants to continue splitting, at least you've made your opinion known, and since he's the great guy you say he is, he'll want to do everything he can to make you comfortable, so there's your answer!
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