5 Insanely Stupid Things Women Say About Nice Guys

[Careless_Whisper]

1. Nice guys aren't really nice

Duh! We're not talking about bad men who pretend to be nice guys, we're talking about genuine nice guys. Yes, even the genuine nice guys usually get rejected or cheated on. So again, we're not talking about bad men who pretend to be nice, we're talking about genuine nice guys being rejected and finishing last.

2. Nice guys have a victim mentality

Well yer, because they ARE victims. They see other men being rewarded with sex and beautiful women for simply being assholes or jerks, while the nice guys continue to get rejected. Nice guys are being deprived of sex (unless they pay for it) and are being deprived of a happy relationship, all because women today are more interested in having fun and excitement with a bad boy rather than have love and commitment with a nice guy.

3. Nice guys lack confidence

Well considering how bitchy and unpleasant women can be today, it's no surprise that a lot of men lack confidence when it comes to dating women. And even if a man lacks confidence, if that a good enough reason to reject him? He could have a heart of gold. If only women weren't so shallow.

4. Nice guys are bitter towards women

Oh no, how awful. What have women done that could possibly make so many nice guys turn bitter? Like I said before, nice guys constantly get turned down while seeing assholes and bad boys get all the sex and beautiful women, while at the same time women complain that there's very few good men left. I don't know why people find it puzzling as to why lots of men become bitter towards women. I thought it was blatantly obvious.

Imagine if you, as a woman, desired to be in a loving relationship. You were a sweet caring lady who was faithful and respectful towards men. But you kept getting rejected and had to witness all the bad women getting all the good men. It would be soul destroying. The injustice and unfairness would eat away at you and eventually make you bitter towards men. All you want is a loving relationship and you keep getting rejected just for being a sweet caring lady. Go figure!

5. Nice guys just hate confident guys who are successful with women.

In my experience nice guys don't hate other successful men. What nice guys hate is their frustration of the stupidity of women who choose bad guys and then complain when they get treated badly, while at the same time keep rejecting good men. If women rejected the bad men then the bad men and assholes wouldn't get the chance to treat women badly. So nice guys don't hate the successful men who get the women, they just hate the stupidity of women who choose these kinds of guys.

[Baumber]

Do you think a girl that is so unbelievably hot and can have just about any guy she could ever want, will settle down with a person that has this type of mentality? The reason girls go for "assholes" is because they want a guy that respects themselves and has confidence in their abilities. If it's not the "asshole" inside them that attracts girls... then what is it?

The "assholes" that always get laid are the ones that show self worth, confidence, stand up for themselves, stand up for the woman, provide a challenge for her, are still very nice but don't fall in line to do her dirty work, are spontaneous, and do not consider themselves VICTIMS!!

From my understanding of nice guys, most of them are very judgmental, do the girls dirty work, have no self-worth, lack confidence, act as victims, hate on people just because they have sex, and never try to change themselves for the better!

In you're eyes, I would be considered an "asshole," but in reality, I'm one of the nicest guys you will ever meet! So how do I turn girls on? I stand up for myself and her, don't whine about my problems, provide support for her problems, be a little cocky with her, show my confidence and self-worth, provide a challenge, make her laugh, and above all I respect her BUT don't let her rule my life!!

[Careless_Whisper]

Not true at all.

[Baumber]

You admit to having a victim mentality, you consider people that are getting girls assholes... Thus you're judging them without even getting to know them, you admit to having a lack of confidence, and OBVIOUSLY if you act bitter or disrespect girls... Why in the hell would they give you the time of day?

Based on what you openly admitted in your article... I don't see a single false statement in my opinion.

[Baumber]

If you see anything that is false... Please explain why!

[Careless_Whisper]

I never admitting to lacking confidence, you lying turd.

[Baumber]

Look at point #3... based on how you wrote the article, you classify yourself as a nice guy. So, with your logic... you must have a lack of confidence.

[CancerianMan81]

how is it lacking confidence when us nice guys are asking out the women and they end up turning us down

[CancerianMan81]

explain that would ya

[Baumber]

@CancerianMan81 because you care too much on what they think. If a girl turns a nice guy down, they take it to heart, but when an "Asshole" gets turned down, they don't let it affect them... They just move on to the next girl. Assholes get turned down all the time and it doesn't bother them. The more you don't care, the more women you get!

[CancerianMan81]

well I can't change who I am cause that's the way I was raised

[Baumber]

@CancerianMan81 you're wrong. You can always change who you are... If you have motivation to!

[CancerianMan81]

if you have a good heart you can't undo it

[genuinlysensitive]

Its not just women who bash nice guys. #3.

[CancerianMan81]

@genuinlysensitive yes men do it too

[Baumber]

@CancerianMan81 well if you don't stand up for yourself, then you're just an easy target for them. Standing up for yourself is not being an asshole, it just shows that you respect yourself and you demand respect from them... Which is perfectly reasonable!

[CancerianMan81]

I do stand up for myself that's why half the time that their mad at me

[CancerianMan81]

their wanting to control and manipulate us

[CancerianMan81]

and what is pissing them off is they can't that's why you see them cutting us down for the way we are

[CancerianMan81]

we're not against them we're just against what their doing

[CancerianMan81]

to be honest I wish they understood that

[Baumber]

@CancerianMan81 how I see it, you probably fall head over heels for one girl and you do what it takes to make her happy. She starts to take it for granted and it becomes an expectation. Then you get annoyed with her putting very little towards the relationship, so you start to change the way you act. That shocks her and pisses her off and causes her to become cold, then leaves you.

So she is working smart... Getting a lot for little effort... You are working hard and getting little for a lot of effort. A relationship must come to a perfect balance... And to me, you have a hard time finding that perfect balance!

[CancerianMan81]

relationship should be given evenly when i don't see that I just walk away from it I never let her dump me first that's way it's always been with me with every girl i've been with

[CancerianMan81]

I've always worked self preservation for myself

[CancerianMan81]

that's what keeps me one step ahead of everybody else

[CancerianMan81]

to say that a nice guy is weak is a false accusation cause we're a lot stronger than people give us credit for

[Baumber]

@CancerianMan81 Sure, in a perfect world, everyone would evenly contribute... But thats FAR from the world we live in!

Don't consider yourself a nice guy. You are the REAL asshole! You break up with women because you're afraid to get hurt and blame them for doing nothing wrong!

[Baumber]

Breaking up with them first doesn't put you ahead in any way. Only shows you're the first to give up!

[CancerianMan81]

that's my choice

[CancerianMan81]

they've got to atone for their bullshit

[Baumber]

@CancerianMan81 Well you're the real asshole... Not a nice guy!

[CancerianMan81]

you don't have a clue about what's happened in my life cause you ain't been around me enough to know what I been through and as far as i'm concerned that you're claiming that i'm an asshole well yeah I'm an asshole to the people that treat me like shit and for your information I treat everybody fair even they don't deserve it and I don't have to pretend otherwise and as far as you having a problem with me well that your problem not mine at least I don't have to deal with your retarded ass from a day to day basis

[CancerianMan81]

so go drink some more of your kool-aid and leave me the fuck alone I'm done here talking with you

[thecd1979]

It's a %100 percent true what he is saying. He is hitting the nail right on the head. I was once the epitome of this "nice guy" right down to doing all the dirty work and being a doormat for them. Speaking from experience you are going to need to come to a point in your life where you are ready to admit that your actions and behaviors are the problem and stop blaming your shortcomings on "jerks" and "bad boys"

[Baumber]

@thecd1979 Thanks for agreeing with me!

Is drinking kool-aid supposed to be an insult? I'm sorry, but at the age of 20, I'm far more socially developed than you are... and I don't need a beer in my hand to show it!

I don't need to know what you've been through... I can pick out the exact problems by the way you act towards me. I don't want to know how you act in person because it probably isn't much better than this. You need a change in attitude and mentality, and the best place to start is to look back and see what the mistakes were that YOU made. Don't give a second thought as to what everyone else did wrong because that just puts you where you are now! Once you change your victim mentality and realize your previous mistakes... you will build real confidence, charisma, and you will be a much happier person!

[CancerianMan81]

you're just another pawn in their scheme you can buy it but I'm not

[CancerianMan81]

and by the way I don't change for you I don't change for my family and I sure in the hell don't change for no fucking body so everybody can kiss my ass

[CancerianMan81]

by the way I don't know why you fucking people have to make a mess out of things

[CancerianMan81]

I'm sick and tired about fighting with everybody about who the fuck I am It ain't none of your fucking business about who the fuck I am

[Baumber]

@CancerianMan81 you're pretty immature for a 34 year old. If you're not willing to make a change then stop thinking women are out to get you because YOU are the sole cause of your problems! I could care less if you change... It's not causing me any harm.

If your not going to improve yourself as a person, then at least remember this:

YOU are not a nice guy! The real asshole to women are guys like YOU! Women can sense the insecurities and victimized attitude a mile away, and that's why they stay away from guys like YOU! Your problems are caused by YOU and only YOU... stop blaming women for your shortcomings and grow up!!!

[Careless_Whisper]

But if it's women who are destroying love and commitment then we should point the finger at them every chance we get.

[CancerianMan81]

and that's exactly right @myTakeOwner and your fucking ass @Baumber is fucking falling for their bullshit and what you don't understand I already have what it takes to do what I have to do and that's the reason why these fucking women don't want to have anything to do with me cause I can do more than what they can do these fucking women don't want to get up off their ass and try to make their life more better they want guys like you to do it for them through their manipulation and control cause they don't know any other way into doing it you fucking dumb ass

[CancerianMan81]

and I'm telling you I'm about to my breaking point with you people and I'm telling you I'm beginning to not give a shit if you people don't like me or not I'm coming to that conclusion with shit and I'm telling you YOU BETTER FUCKING BACK OFF!!!

[thecd1979]

@CancerianMan81 How about because not every women you ask out is going to have an interest in you. Even the most confident guys get rejected, but they don't take it personal. They will just move on to a women that does have an interest in them.

[thecd1979]

@CancerianMan81 No ones asking you to change who you are, you need to develop some confidence, change your mannerisms, stop the envy and bitterness and stop acting like every women owes you something because your being nice. Those are the things you need to change. I know this from experience.

[Careless_Whisper]

@thecd1979 Typical how people like you don't pay attention to the problem being discussed. Nice guys aren't saying that women owe them anything. Nice guys just think it's unfair (and rightly so) that women choose assholes and jerks over nice guys and then complain when they get treated badly. Why is this so hard for you to absorb into your brain?

[CancerianMan81]

@thecd1979 I have confidence for myself but you don't see that for yourself and if you had been listening to what I've been posting on here you would see what I've said is true

[CancerianMan81]

@myTakeOwner I think what it is that these damn women have brainwashed them to point that they don't know up from down

[Baumber]

@CancerianMan81 @Careless_Whisper It's not unfair to anyone! Women will be with whoever they want and most of the "assholes" actually treat women much better than the typical "nice guy." Just look how you two typical "nice guys" are acting towards @thecd1979 and I. You're cussing at us, calling us names, saying we're brainwashed, and just being immature. While us two typical "assholes" are presenting our thoughts in a kind, credible, and relaxed way. We only want to help, but you two keep trying to tear us down and say that women are out to get you... which is 100% false!

Now, I can't see a reason why a woman would want to date a typical "nice guy" over a typical "asshole" after seeing this great example of who the REAL assholes are! If you can see a reason why, PLEASE explain it to me!!

[Careless_Whisper]

I don't claim to be a nice guy. The point we're making is that only a moron would disagree that it's unfair that a man needs to be an asshole in order to get a woman.

[CancerianMan81]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNbdINZcBY

[Baumber]

I get women... and I'm not an asshole. I have plenty of friends who get women and they are not assholes. So how is your statement still correct?

Guys don't need to be assholes... I've explained this multiple times now and I'm not doing it again. So go back and read my previous comments that state EXACTLY what women look for.

[Careless_Whisper]

You're not an asshole, but maybe you're a jerk.

[CancerianMan81]

oh wow now your comparing assholes to nice guys saying that assholes are actually nice too women and nice guys are actually awful to women I honestly don't think you know the difference and we never said that women are out to get us we said that they have a problem with the way we are cause they can't accept who we are there's a difference

[CancerianMan81]

see with the bad boys they can control them and manipulate them cause see their delusional cause of them doing drugs and drinking alcohol and they don't know rather their coming and going where as us nice guys don't want to change for them and it pisses them off cause they ain't in control of us or themselves why would we waste our time when we're trying to build a strong prosperous life

[Baumber]

@Careless_Whisper Lol I'll admit I'm a bit of a jerk at times. Just like everyone else... I don't really care to repeat myself multiple times... kinda gets tiresome lol

@CancerianMan81 Please, I REALLY hope you are joking right now! I'm not even going to argue with you because your last comment is too from the truth! It's not worth giving you my opinion because you're too stubborn and it's not going to change anything.

[CancerianMan81]

that's the whole point cause I'm sticking up for who I am cause your goddamn ass seems to think you know who I am when you don't and that's what I've been saying the whole time you fucking jack ass

[CancerianMan81]

and the reason why I know what a "BAD BOY" is is because I was one I changed my life around cause i had no choice cause I "HIT ROCK BOTTOM" okay I've worked through full spectrum in everything in life and you wouldn't know that cause you ain't been around my life to know that and I have a lot more of an understanding then you do i'm ahead of you in years of understanding I've been around people I've dealt with all kinds of people to understand who I'm dealing with and everybody is ignorant of the fact that they think they know who I am

[CancerianMan81]

in case you were wondering your dealing with an "INDIGO CHILD"

[pr3ttybr0wn]

Just because women don't like you doesn't mean that you're a nice guy. and just because women do like a guy doesn't mean he is a bad guy. There are actually guys out there who can get in relationships and aren't assholes. So why can't nice guys look at those guys and think "What am I doing wrong and how can I improve?" instead of expecting women to change their preferences to date you? More than likely it's an attraction issue and that particular nice guy just isn't that attractive to the women he's trying to go for.

[genuinlysensitive]

I believe that was covered in #2 and #5

[SinisterS]

Just for info if I allowed my self to be even a little asshole i would have girlfriend now. Actually if i did what guys usually do use some girl he is not really in to for sex i would have 2 at moment. And from what i saw every time i ignore some girl she is interested, every time i dont pay attention to some girl she finds me attractive. So basically all i hawe to do is dont give fuck ask some girl out if things work way i want them just act like asshole or not interested and well she will be there. Problem is if i actually care they see it and dont like it for some retarded reason. Ask some of guys you know to be "nice guys that have problem with girls" to walk up to girl she find attractive most of them will have hard time doing that. Now ask same guys to go and ask out some girl they are not interested in and they usually won't have problem to walk up to that girl and ask her out. Now why is that? Well whan you dont care you dont care, you dont give fuck if you get rejected...

[skykidx1]

@SinisterS yourworfs are wasted on this one

[Pacificblue62]

I would also add. Just because women don't like you doesn't mean you're not a nice guy and just because women do like a guy doesn't mean he's not a bad guy.

[ElissaDido]

bahaaa 2nd person who got pissed by my Take lol

[BigJake]

Somebody's self-important.

[Ratiocinative]

1) In the context of dating and romance, a "nice guy" refers to a guy who thinks women will like him if he nice to them. A genuinely nice guy and "nice guy" are not the same thing. A "nice guy" is nice to women because he believe that will make them attracted to him, hence the name "nice guy", but when they inevitable are not he gets upset and passive-aggressive and sometimes even physically violent simply because he didn't get his way.

2) Nobody owes anybody love or sex, so it is not possible to be deprived of love or sex from someone in that sense. If a fat and ugly woman bakes you cookies because she likes you, are you obligated to sleep with her? No. Neither is a woman obligated to have sex with you because you were nice to her.

3) Confidence is close to, if not the number one thing women are attracted to. Of course they are going to reject guys who don't have it. What kind of dumb question is that?

4) Same as #3. No one owes you love or sex. Suck it up bitch, if you're bitter you've no one to blame but yourself.

5) No idea who nice guys hate, but you're acting like a victim again, see #2.

[Careless_Whisper]

I see you are another pathetic white knight. What a jerk you are.

[Alt557]

LOL. The guy who says women owe him sex is calling other people a jerk. What a joke. Has to be a troll.

[Careless_Whisper]

@Alt557 I never said women owe me sex, you moronic asshole.

[thecd1979]

Confidence is perhaps the biggest factor and it's a pretty big deal when it comes to winning someone over. A real women wants a man that has it together and carries himself in a way that says "I got this" Confidence is sexy. Whining, complaining and lack of confidence are not attractive traits. When I was younger I used to think that it wasnt' a big deal, but it really is and you need to be confident if you ever hope to get the attention of a good women. . Any guy can be "nice" and as you put it have a "heart of gold" it's nothing special. It's kind of what your supposed to do as a civilized human being. If thats all that it took then every guy would at least have a girlfriend if not already married, but that's not how it works. I don't think I need to tell you that. The best thing any "nice guy" can do is to take a step back and stop trying so hard. Focus on your plans and your goals and living your life. You need to be happy with who you are first. If you not happy single you won't be happy taken, real happiness comes from within, not from someone else, although the right person can do much to compliment your life. I was once this kind of whinny nice guy, but once I started just focusing on my life and goals became more confident in who I was, and not looking for a partner that's when things changed and the women started paying attention to me. Don't sweat it and just focus on you.

[Anonymous]

This is gold. I agree with all these points. Yet again, some commentators here are opining that "nice guys pretend to be nice and aren't nice at all", yet you clearly addressed that not only in point 1, but multiple times in the article! LOL

I agree with this take, and it should be highly promoted and deserves accolades. As well as being well written, it has many many valid and interesting points about the ACTIONS of women versus what they claim they want.

The point is that a good guy (a genuine nice guy), who is confident, charming, and polite to her, seems to get this very innocent side of her, whereas a guy who doesn't text her nice stuff, doesn't act nicely to her, often gets her posing in wild poses, haves her more touchy and acting more suggestively around him. She may in some circumstances even sleep with him, because he's not boyfriend material unlike the nice guy.

And to top it all, how can many women be clueless when a guy likes them? Do you honestly think that this guy would be so nice to you if he didn't fancy you?

[Careless_Whisper]

Well that's what usually happens, women just completely ignore what you actually say.

[Opinion Owner]

Good point, I can see from the comments here that what you say holds true. Clearly didn't read the points you mentioned above.

Also how do women not "know" that a guy likes them? It should be obvious given that he is nice to her. Guys or girls don't do that if they don't like you.

And for the woman to act innocent around a guy who is nice to them, and yet more suggestive/free around a guy who is less sweet to them is ludicrous is it not?

[Anonymous]

Really good points! You have articulated the plain truth the a lot of people can't accept! The cold fact is that many people (especially females) automatically take a man's genuine kindness for weakness! The very act of a man showing genuine, kind respect to a woman makes her automatically see him as DOG CRAP! Yet, women actually CHOOSE men who are openly disrespectful and even physically abusive! And then women have the nerve to COMPLAIN about it!

This all changes after women typically get humped, dumped and burned repeatedly till they approach the unstoppable wall of middle age! Then they miraculously discover the value of an ACTUAL nice person who genuinely cares about them! But in many cases it's too little too late! By that time, many true nice guys stopped being nice and became uncaring "jerk" characters! Others lose all respect for women and give up on the idea of relationships with them.

Because true nice guys are genuinely good people, eventually most do well in their careers and amass considerable resources that they see no point in sharing with females who suddenly come out of the woodwork trying to push the financial trap of marriage on them. And so, we have cat ladies!

[samhradh_leannan]

"Imagine if you, as a woman, desired to be in a loving relationship. You were a sweet caring lady who was faithful and respectful towards men. But you kept getting rejected and had to witness all the bad women getting all the good men."

Do you really think this never happens? Do you really think men are the only ones who get rejected, or watch the people they'd like to date choosing others, or feel lonely and unattractive, or experience heartbreak? This is a human issue, not a gender issue. And by making it a gender issue, you are falling right into that bitter, self-proclaimed "nice guy" stereotype.

[Careless_Whisper]

It is indeed a gender issue.

[samhradh_leannan]

If you really believe that, then you're playing exactly the stereotypical self-proclaimed "nice guy" role that you're trying to claim doesn't exist.

[AnArtisticMind]

The difference is that the women who experience that are consoled, while the men are laughed at.

[genuinlysensitive]

Since it does happen, those women should know whats going on and be more empathetic. As opposed to calling guys like this "bitter." I mean if she did that though, she, herself would expose her personality as not at all nice.

[samhradh_leannan]

@genuinlysensitive Railing against the entire female gender, accusing us of lacking empathy, and acting as though women on the whole are somehow responsible for the way your individual life has turned out IS acting bitter. I have the utmost sympathy for guys who get rejected, and I know how tough that is, but if you let it turn you into an unhappy person, that's on you.

[CancerianMan81]

you're further proving his point by arguing with him

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 I really don't see how.

[CancerianMan81]

us nice guys ain't saying that our life has turned out bad all we're trying to prove is that we're still trying to get with a girl trying to get with a girl doesn't effect on how your life is at the moment

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 That's great, but it's not necessarily what I hear from other people.

[CancerianMan81]

well maybe they don't want to say you ever think of that

[CancerianMan81]

or maybe they got in their head that their life isn't all that good

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Maybe they don't want to say? Say what? Sorry, but I don't think this conversation is going to be very productive.

[CancerianMan81]

and i just answered that with the comment above you're comment well there you negative reasoning here why are people like you so damn negative all the time is it some kind of guilty pleasure or something

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 All I'm saying is, guys who villainize the entire female gender because they got rejected a few times are no longer innocent nice guys who deserve my empathy. If you allow yourself to become bitter, empathy will do nothing for you anyhow.

[CancerianMan81]

that's all in your head that us nice guys villainize the entire female gender

[CancerianMan81]

I only go on one person at a time

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 True good guys don't, but self-proclaimed "nice guys" are a different story. You can argue that it's not the case, but I see it very clearly. And I have no reason to hallucinate such a thing.

[CancerianMan81]

say for instance i'm commenting on a girl's comment on here and i'm talking to her and she's giving me the run around and she's attacking me okay I'm going to attack her back her very thought well if he's attacking me that means he's attacking the whole female gender how can that be when i'm only talking to her

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 This is not about attacking, it's about blaming. The QA is arguing that there's NOT a culture where guys think "I'm nice, I can't get a girlfriend, therefore girls don't like nice guys" but that culture absolutely exists.

[CancerianMan81]

how can It be that I don't care the female gender when I have a mother that I love I may not like some of the things that women do but that doesn't mean I hate the female gender

[CancerianMan81]

there's no argument there

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 There's no argument where?

I'm not claiming that these guys hate every single woman including their own mothers. I'm claiming that they blame women in their dating pool for the fact that they are single, because they believe that the women they're interested in are going after the "wrong" type of guys. If this doesn't apply to you, that's great- you are not one of the men I'm referring to, then.

[CancerianMan81]

it's stupid getting mad over something trivial like that that be like me getting mad over somebody eating ice cream because I want some ice cream it's fucking childish

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Who's mad? When you don't use subjects in your sentences, it's very difficult to figure out who or what you're referring to.

[CancerianMan81]

I'm talking about the women that are against us nice guys

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Women AREN'T against actual nice guys. We're (to speak generally) against self proclaimed "nice guys" who aren't really as nice as they think they are, and who have grown bitter against women in their dating pool.

[CancerianMan81]

the one's that are immature and want to act like that and think that they should have the privilege of wanting to have everything that they want

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Now THAT was a convoluted sentence if I've ever seen one.

[CancerianMan81]

but listen most women I've seen don't know the difference between the self proclaimed "nice guys" and the actual "nice guys"

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Apparently they do know the difference, or these self proclaimed "nice guys" wouldn't be having the problems that they're having.

[CancerianMan81]

the reason why I said that is because being a nice guy comes with being mature

[CancerianMan81]

there comes a lot of maturity of being a nice guy and a nice woman

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 That may be true.

[CancerianMan81]

I come from a good family that disciplined me

[CancerianMan81]

and that's what's lacking into today's society

[CancerianMan81]

you show me a family that ain't disciplined and I'll show you a family that is worthless

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Disciplining children is a whole other can of worms.

[CancerianMan81]

I know it's not none of my business but it's the truth

[CancerianMan81]

i'm just talking on full spectrum here

[CancerianMan81]

as a whole

[CancerianMan81]

the constructs

[CancerianMan81]

but listen you can tell the fake from the real at least i can

[CancerianMan81]

because I'm an empath myself

[CancerianMan81]

lol sorry if I'm talking your head off

[genuinlysensitive]

Are you sure you are 26? Because my grade school nephew has better reading comprehension skills than you! I never once said "all women" I specifically pointed out "those women" hence the women who engage in the behavior. If you need a refresher course in reading comprehension I could arrange for my nephew to tutor you.

[samhradh_leannan]

@genuinlysensitive It's nice that you're so proud of your nephew, but that's getting a tad off topic. Maybe you never specified all women, but there are guys who are bitter against women in general, and those are the guys I'm referring to- not you personally.

[dwright9224]

Exactly. I have ALWAYS been the good 'n' respectful woman who ALWAYS goes for the good 'n' respectful guys. But yet I still constantly see them usuallly more times than not (not always) chase after the horrible trashy bitches who don't even deserve nor appreciate a good 'n' respectful guy over the good 'n' respectful women who deserves 'n' appreciates a good guy. And then they wonder why it seems like no woman wants a good guy.

[CancerianMan81]

@samhradh_leannan let's look at from this instance okay some nice guys are bitter okay because of the many girls that have rejected us nice guys and to get over that fact is pretty hard for us to do is because we want the love and understanding that we so desire to want to have but we can't get it because most girls are telling us to not have the feelings that we want to have for them when in fact that's what human beings have is emotions there's no way around it unless your pure evil and don't have a soul that's the only way around it but who would want to be around someone like that but if you are around someone like that then you would be condemning your own soul

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Please consider throwing a period in there somewhere.

[CancerianMan81]

sorry to lazy

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Then I'm too lazy to waste time figuring out what the heck you're trying to say.

[CancerianMan81]

it speaks for itself

[CancerianMan81]

rather you agree or disagree that's not my problem

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Yeah, not well though.

[CancerianMan81]

me I'm not worried about it

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 If you don't respect your opinions, I don't see why I should. That's all. If you're not worried about it, that's fine. I won't worry about it either.

[CancerianMan81]

it's not that i don't care it's just I'm comfortable with what i said

[CancerianMan81]

you know lol

[martyfellow]

We all know it's the guys who get shafted this way mostly. By dwelling on the exceptions, you're just playing games, dodging the real issue.

Just like any modern feminist.

[samhradh_leannan]

@martyfellow The grass is always greener on the other side. I'm not dwelling on exceptions. These guys just can't see anything past their own perspectives, or understand why they don't have what they want.

[samhradh_leannan]

If you think I'm dodging the real issue, what are you saying the real issue is? "Nice" guys who call girls bitches and judge them for having pasts getting rejected once in a while? Is that your definition of "the issue"?

[martyfellow]

You're falsifying the Take. He's not talking about 'once in a while', but a pattern of behavior that we all, even you, know obtains in the modern USA.. mainly... but no doubt often happens in the rest of the English speaking world that is largely culturally tied to the US.

[samhradh_leannan]

@martyfellow These quote unquote "nice" guys who really aren't all that nice don't represent the entire male gender (praise the lord). There are plenty of real good guys out there who don't have these types of problems, because they respect themselves, treat women well, and aren't acting like bitter, entitled brats. Time to take a page out of their book. Stop whining and tooting your own horn, and focus on actually being a good person who is desirable. Very few people are lucky enough to be handed what they want without having to make an effort, and that goes for both genders.

[martyfellow]

If you want to argue with this Take, fine, but don't falsify what he is saying. That's dishonest!

[Careless_Whisper]

@martyfellow She's a western woman. Dishonesty is their nature.

[martyfellow]

US women? Of the upper middle classes? Yes, you are right. Kind of surprised an Irish named woman would come on like this, but you know,, many of them are West Britons at heart.

[samhradh_leannan]

@martyfellow Where exactly am I being dishonest?

[samhradh_leannan]

@martyfellow Just because you disagree with me, that doesn't mean I'm lying. This is nuts.

[CancerianMan81]

on this reference. These guys just can't see anything past their own perspectives, or understand why they don't have what they want. People like me from my generation has a right to define my own era another thing is about our perspectives we have a right to chose whatever we want in our lives nobody has to choose for us cause it is our life and not anybody else's and the reason why we don't have what we want cause other people want to choose for us we already understand why we don't have what we want it's because women don't want to gives us what we want is the problem."Nice" guys who call girls bitches and judge them for having pasts getting rejected once in a while. first of all we don't call girls bitches only if they really piss me off secondly that remark you mad about getting rejected once in a while is false cause it is always going on

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 You absolutely have the right to choose what you want for your own life- up to a point. We're talking about love and dating here, which means the situation will never be about just you. Building a relationship requires two people. It has to be what both of those people want, and it has to make both of those people happy. Not just one of them. So thinking only about your own perspective, and only about what you want, or what you think you "deserve" or are entitled to, isn't likely to get you very far. And that's exactly why the group of men that I'm referring to in my comments are failing so hard at love right now. They're self centered, and they think they have the right to expect what they want to get handed to them. When that doesn't happen, they get bitter and lash out. But very few people, regardless of gender, are lucky enough to get what they want without having to work for it. That's a very important thing to remember.

[CancerianMan81]

no it's not up to a point I make the choices that i want to make for what I want in my life when the very thing that the one thing that the one person wants what the person wants you have to SUPPORT that person for what he/she wants when you are denying what that person wants you're denying the very thing that you want most out of life there is no CONTROL in relationships when you are coming from control you are coming from FEAR and when you come from fear you have no self control for yourself period. wrong I'm selfless not selfish but most of you women don't see that in me it's funny how women always tries to think about who I am when the knowledge of women are dangerously lacking and if you think I'm trying to discredit women then you really got a serious problem

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Usually when someone is selfless, other people can tell, and they will appreciate that characteristic in the selfless person. If nobody else is noticing how fabulously selfless you are, I think it's very unlikely that you actually are selfless. Just food for thought.

I have no idea whether or not you're trying to discredit women. I can barely tell WHAT you're trying to do, because you refuse to use punctuation.

[CancerianMan81]

I don't give myself out to nobody unless they give their selves to me that's where TRUST comes in cause TRUST is earned not given freely

[CancerianMan81]

and why i don't give pronunciations is my own business you don't like it you don't have to talk to me

[CancerianMan81]

i'm an open book of information when it comes to saying for who i am and I don't have to pretend otherwise

[CancerianMan81]

and I bet you're wondering why I'm such a hard ass to people I'll tell ya why I'm such a hard ass it's because of they way people have treated me I don't put up with nobody's fucking bullshit cause to me it isn't no popularity contest to me

[CancerianMan81]

you either like me or you don't

[CancerianMan81]

people and their fucking attitudes is what I don't like it has always been that way with me and will continue to be that way

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Yeah, you're obviously a super nice person.

[CancerianMan81]

well I'm glad you see that I am thank you

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Lol...

[CancerianMan81]

what's so funny about that

[CancerianMan81]

I've also had time to think about it THE PROBLEM that has all men so fucking baffled is you women have taking it upon yourselves to be against men for no reason at all on top of which that's not the only problem there's another problem inside that problem when we're trying to solve a problem you women have problem of us men trying to solve the problem

[CancerianMan81]

it's almost like you don't want us to do nothing

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 The problem is rabbit problem with women men want problem solve like green trees problem is soon can't solve men don't problem the squirrels have taken it upon themselves to women want men to do nothing and there's a problem

[samhradh_leannan]

@CancerianMan81 Oh, what's that, you can't understand what I mean? Too bad, don't feel like speaking English umbrella was smoothed running sponge layer this wishing crouton

[Pacificblue62]

It's apparent that lots of women (certainly not all) are highly insecure and will just jump all over stuff like this to try and boost their low self esteem. They'll make it out like you're complaining and find other ways to twist things around that you wrote and misinterpret it how they please. They want to get under your skin and like to hear about your misfortunes. They want to feel like they have control over your emotions and prey on them. Dont give them this opportunity. It's simple be firm and confident. Don't buy into their bs or take it seriously. Honestly don't take anything anyone of these women said seriously. You'd go insane. Dont let them get under your skin. Don't complain about how you're not getting sex or you're entitled to it. Don't let them know you are feeling victimized. Don't put them on pedestals. We all know there are those women who couldn't recognize a good thing if it was sitting in front of them it's annoying yes but don't value them or their opinions. There are obviously guys out there who have good intentions and go under appreciated. What you are saying has truth to it. Clearly. But trying to preach that to these women will never work. It's a hopeless cause.

[LittleSally]

The guy whose whole identity is 'the nice guy' - is a coward who either never asks a woman out, never even looks at women because he's afraid (that she'll kill him? no idea why...), or the dude who asked a woman out once and since bing rejected, has become all these things you said nice guys aren't.

[schnipdip]

The really funny thing though is that people assume real nice guys are completely oblivious to the fact their nice.
People have the ability of introspection and extrospection. So they have the ability to see who they are and how they act compared to the people around them.

[LittleSally]

@schnipdip true, but not entirely... People can understand when they do a good/selfless deed... Those that do good mostly don't classify themselves as 'a nice person'.

[thatkaruguy]

or the guy who asks out many women trued every thing they could to improve and still got no's?

[Prof_Don]

These nice guys gotta SHOW this supposed inner strength they have, how "strong" is a guy who CHOOSES to not openly show that he is into a woman?

[Smmyskittles]

The issue is that some men who say and complain about being "nice guys" is that they're NOT really nice.

They're men who are pushovers. The ones who let people (not just women) walk ALL over them. They don't know when to say "NO".

& Personally, I prefer a *sweet* guy to a nice guy any day. Yep, there's a different (i. m. o)

[Careless_Whisper]

Go back and read point number 1. Duh!

[Smmyskittles]

Read my 2nd line again.
"They're men who are pushovers. The ones who let people (not just women) walk ALL over them."

Not talking about "bad boys" I'm talking about ^^^

[Oram52]

You know I'm curious about your differences in "sweet guy" or how would you describe them.

[Smmyskittles]

@Oram52 - It's going to take me a while to respond and a loooong explanation. Be sure you want to know what *I* consider to be a 'sweet' and 'nice' guy.

[shinyunicorn]

@Oram52 in my opinion, a nice guy will try anything he can to appear as nice just for the purpose of getting laid, therefore faking and expecting women to give him sex just because he was "nice". a sweet guy will be caring and accepting even if his purpose isn't to get laid, but just be genuinely nice to others.

[Oram52]

@Smmyskittles Are we writing a story.
How about bullet points.
Either way why not, I am curious what "sweet" is.

@shinyunicorn ty :)

[Smmyskittles]

@Oram52 - I WILL DO WHATEVER I DARNNNN WELL PLEASE.

Nice is more like polite. They're doing something, but only for appearance sake. There's ulterior motive behind it. OR they're doing it because it's what they think is "required".

A sweet guy is genuine. He does things to make you happy or smile. He actually *cares* about how you feel and *wants* to make you happy.

[Oram52]

Well that too me a while to go through. You do however you darn well please me not care ;)

thanks.

[Smmyskittles]

@Oram52 - So you can teach an old dog new tricks. >:} My pleasure.

[TayTay21]

I think that's a good point. Most nice guys need to grow a backbone.

[CancerianMan81]

your wrong @Smmyskittles we're not pushovers we're a lot stronger than you give us credit for

[CancerianMan81]

I don't understand whats so wrong about wanting to be pampered it should make someone feel good not feel guilty because someone does something for ya I don't fucking get it

[CancerianMan81]

it would be a hell of a lot better than getting left out cause you wouldn't be getting that with the opposite of a nice guy because they would be leaving you left wanting to the point that you would be endlessly wanting and that couldn't be good even for the women

[CancerianMan81]

us nice guys say "YES" why can't women say "Yes"

[Smmyskittles]

@CancerianMan81 - I don't want to say yes. Simple as that.

I like what I like- Sweet not 'nice'. I can find fake niceness anywhere. Genuinely sweet is harder to fiiiind BUT worth the effort and patience.

[CancerianMan81]

and no it ain't hard to find well yeah if your delusional

[Smmyskittles]

@CancerianMan81 - That shows you're not nice. Name calling.

Already over it. Byeee

[genuinlysensitive]

1. "The issue is that some men who say and complain about being "nice guys" is that they're NOT really nice."

So then, you really don't hate "nice guys". You hate liars. Just like if a guy lied to you about being single, being a millionaire, being a Dr., or whatever else. Do you say "I hate married men/men in relationships!" if you find out he lied about being single? NO! So why do so many women insist on bashing nice guys? It needs to stop!

[AperolSpritz]

... and here we are again. The self proclaimed "nice guy" who NEVER stops bitching and whining about women, and then gets upset when women don't agree that they owe him something

Whilst there are plenty of nice guys out there who deserve great women, you, sir, are not a "nice guy"
Women are not to blame for the fact that you can't get one, it's your own shitty attitude... and that is a fact.

Stop blaming everyone else and take a look at yourself.

[shinyunicorn]

"damn it!!! I'm being so nice, why won't she fuck me? ugh I fucking hate women those stupid bitches!!!"

[Careless_Whisper]

That doesn't change the fact that everything I said in this myTake is true.

[AperolSpritz]

No, but I understand that you're so narrow minded that there is no room for any other way of looking at it for you.
You're also too immature to even begin to process it.

Be lonely, be bitter, that's up to you, but you're in for a long ride.

[CancerianMan81]

you know what get's me @myTakeOwner is we tell them that we are a "NICE GUY" and they turn and say no your not like as if that they know us like they been around us to know that we aren't "NICE GUYS" pretty judgmental don't ya think and then when we stick up for who we are they want to cut us down even more like as if we're in the wrong for being who we are we're not the one's with an identity crisis

[CancerianMan81]

I just think it's nuts for wanting to be in fucking denial where does it get anybody that's what I wanna know

[Careless_Whisper]

I'm still right

[CancerianMan81]

I know

[CancerianMan81]

your preaching to the choir buddy

[genuinlysensitive]

"That doesn't change the fact that everything I said in this myTake is true."

So true. You list everything false they say about nice guys, then I see about half a dozen so far, trying so desperately to bash nice guys! Why do so many women hate guys who treat them with respect and thoughtfulness so much? Why do they hate it when we treat other women as such? They must be masochists. Not to mention nothing but a dog in a manger, lol!

[Careless_Whisper]

@genuinlysensitive Because western women are as dumb as a rock and have been brainwashed by feminism and the media.

[Carefuloutthere]

"Because western women are as dumb as a rock" I honestly cannot think why women don't want to date you.
(despite what you tell yourself, it's not because you're "nice")

[Careless_Whisper]

@Carefuloutthere "I honestly cannot think why women don't want to date you"

So what? What makes you think I even want a woman?

[Carefuloutthere]

The fact that you're so bitter about women. Otherwise why do you care?

[Careless_Whisper]

@Carefuloutthere I'm just putting the truth out there. If you don't like it then why even bother commenting?

[Prof_Don]

Yup, good MyTake.

It is astounding how many gals (in the real world and the internet world) are suspicious, "on guard", and un-relaxed in general when in the presence of, and conversing with, a genuinely nice and good guy like me initially,

thinking that I am "hiding something", "have an ulterior motive", or the worst of all "I'm putting on an act".

------

It is so exhausting that at times I am punished for being a genuinely compassionate and sociable person by some gals in the beginnings of interaction. So annoying having to wait to drop the Gal Shield. Absolute bullshit.

Then again, I don't know how many fake "nice guys" there are in the world that approach women with deceitful intent.

[BigJake]

Yep. Prof brings it, as usual.

[Prof_Don]

@BigJake Thanks for the props, BigJake!

[BigJake]

You usually post thoughtful and well-reasoned opinions on this site, and that's a rare thing amid all the trolls and axe-grinders.

[Prof_Don]

@BigJake unfortunately the amount of trolls and axe-grinders on this site have increased way more than when I joined 6.5 years ago!

[EmiliaB]

That's not her being a bitch though, women who are that way with you are that way because of how they've been treated too many times in the past. Obviously, that's not your fault, but it is true that many girls are, in the back of their minds, always waiting to be hurt. At least with the "bad" guys you know what you're getting.
Trusting someone who is different is a big gamble. It's happens, but it takes a hell of a lot.

I know a few nice guys, and I love them to pieces, but me knowing I could never date them has nothing to do with how nice they are, or whether they are trust worthy or not, it's more about the fact that we actually hold genuinely nice guys up so far in our heads, that we worry ourselves about not being able to match up.
We want to believe you're "that nice" so much so that we don't want to ruin the illusion.

[CancerianMan81]

@EmiliaB the fact of the matter is women want to manipulate and control us and we're not falling for it anymore

[Careless_Whisper]

@EmiliaB If most women are as dumb as you are then they need to be locked up in a mental institute.

[Prof_Don]

@EmiliaB that does make sense unfortunately, some gals think they "aren't good enough" for a genuinely good man.

The culture of slut shaming probably has something behind it. I can see a gal having one night stands and casual sexual relationships occasionally, and then feeling she is too "tainted" to be someone's long term partner.

[CancerianMan81]

for this comment that you said that does make sense unfortunately, some gals think they "aren't good enough" for a genuinely good man. The women are always talking about that nice guys aren't confident enough which is a lie cause if we are always asking the girl out then that's being confident but the fact that most women think that are not good enough for us men then their trying to manipulate and control us cause they themselves don't have no self control whatsoever

[CancerianMan81]

and it shows that they "the women" don't have no confidence also

[EmiliaB]

@CancerianMan81 You know, not all women are manipulative and a lot of us hate seeing it go on too. You have this view that all women are the same (nasty/manipulative/cruel/judgemental) and no one's going to change your mind so I won't even try.
Some of us do lack confidence, you're right. That's often due to our previous relationships. My boyfriend and I are currently working things out after a long break, and when we took that break, I came out of that relationship not knowing which way was up. The last thing on my mind was finding someone else, not just because I didn't want to, but because I'd only hurt them too. You can try to be the best person you can but no one's perfect, right?
My relationship was so messed up last time around, but that was both of us, & at least we both knew what we were in and what we're both like
I couldn't have gone out with a nice guy because I'm not right for one, that's all.

[CancerianMan81]

@EmiliaB you think your not right for a NICE GUY a REAL NICE GUY would help you atone the way you are to make you be a better version of yourself if you wanted it

[CancerianMan81]

it's not saying that us nice guys are wanting to change you that's not the case and it's not saying that us nice guys are trying to discredit you cause we know that we make mistakes to that's the whole part of a human is living and learning

[CancerianMan81]

listen I don't think all women are the same cause I know that there is women that are good I just don't like to see that a woman down grades herself that's not normal cause to me I hate to see negativity all the time it's not healthy

[CancerianMan81]

you know my last girlfriend that I just broke up with here recently cause she was negative all the time and I just couldn't put up with it anymore

[CancerianMan81]

i know myself that it's hard to let go of past relationships cause of the things that you go through but you got to have self preservation for yourself if you don't your going to go through the same thing over and over again self preservation itself is determination that right there is a breakthrough when I had my SPIRITUAL AWAKENING you want to talk about a breakthrough

[CancerianMan81]

OMG!!! it was amazing

[CancerianMan81]

you know all this talk about nice guys hating the whole female gender race is nonsense we just don't like the things they do that's all... all because we've had a few bad relationships we get over past relationships because their in the past their not here no more but what I think you women have a hard time with that you don't let your past relationship go it's killing the relationship with the new guys that are coming in your life if you girls don't straighten it out your not going to have a good life cause men are getting sick of it

[CancerianMan81]

another thing us men are getting sick of is being demonized and criminalized when were not doing anything but trying to help the situation the one thing and this is just me that i'm talking about is i'm tired of women not accepting my emotions that's almost like saying that women don't want to be human like they want to be a brainless robot I just don't fucking get it

[redeyemindtricks]

Well, there are Nice Guys™, who are actually bitter crybabies who still think life is supposed to be "fair" (and that *they* should get to decide what "fair" means, on top of it)...
... and there are guys who are actually nice.

Do not confuse the two.

[Paul6754]

Nice Guy™ have a much lower libido than Assholes or Bad Boys. They can't produce enough androgen to rep up their libidos.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Paul6754 hahah, cute. Although libido is far from being directly correlated to androgen levels.

[PT1911]

I laughed at how it's trademarked now lol

[Paul6754]

Actually, it correlates with androgen levels.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Paul6754 That's one correlative variable among many. Guys with high T levels are not all high-libido... nor do all guys with a strong libido have high T levels.
Hypogonadal guys usually have a lower sex drive, but, once you hit the normal range, it's not a very strong correlation.

[CancerianMan81]

I want to say something us nice guys have always worked the "Fair" spectrum all our lives cause we strive hard to get what we want but the problem is most women tell us that that's not good enough putting pressure on us and that's what pisses us off

[Paul6754]

Androgen levels are high in both sexes which it correlates with sex drive. If androgen levels are high, sex drive is high. I'd androgen levels are low, sex drive is low. You get the point?

[redeyemindtricks]

@Paul6754 I make most of my living counseling people on *exactly* this kind of stuff. Stand down, bruh.

Yes, there's a primitive correlation between androgen levels and sex drive, but, there are plenty of confounding variables.

In most people, if there's a flood of extra testosterone/androgens, that will just cause SHBG to rise concurrently and "bind" the extra androgens -- with the net result that FREE testosterone remains almost constant, and libido tends not to change (and can actually take a nosedive, in many cases).

Libido also depends on high estrogen and low prolactin levels, too -- and those two tend to "shut off the valve" much more abruptly. In other words, low estradiol and/or high prolactin will pretty much TOTALLY cut off sex drive, in a way that low androgens don't. (Hence why bodybuilders taking Arimidex don't usually have much of a sex drive -- it knocks estrogen down too low, and *poof* there goes the libido, pretty much regardless of androgen levels).

[martyfellow]

It's not confusing the two; they have most everything in common, except some don't let it 'get' to them.

[soulbabe]

um well im a tom boy so i guess i see an ass hole when i see one so i can say i have never been with or even thought abut being with bad guys but i have only had to bf's im still with the second one and he's just as nice as can be and i love him more for it i have had ass holes try to hook up with me and i always end up getting pissed off at them being arrogant and trying to talk to me like im lower than them i think the last guy who thought he was bad ass and could treat me like shit i punched him i dont like being pushed around lol but i do under stand why nice guys would get mad abut women being air heads

[Applefan1]

THANK YOU!!!

[soulbabe]

@Applefan1 why did you say thanks ?

[genuinlysensitive]

Please share your wisdom with your sisters! They don't listen to us :(

[soulbabe]

@genuinlysensitive thy don't listen to other girls thy just get. Pissed off and say you're jealous that and me

[soulbabe]

And other girls don't get along to well

[genuinlysensitive]

Sorry to hear that :( Don't worry I'm sure there are girls who will get along with you, I know there is a lucky guy out there who will be thrilled to end up with you :D

[soulbabe]

@genuinlysensitive i do have a boyfriend lol but shhhh dont tell my fam thy don't know that and its ok i don't mind not having friends that are girls i do have guy friends tho lol

[CancerianMan81]

all joking aside and it's not nothing against women in general but it's best to not deal with women cause my mom always tells me not to deal with women cause their nothing but fucking trouble God love my mom she always has been with me through the worst of times and the best of times I couldn't ask for a better mother

[CancerianMan81]

but me I act to much like my dad

[Rock_Steakface]

The answer is simple. You listening, nice guys? Good: STOP BEING NICE. No more paying for dates, no more moving heavy objects for free, no more listening to her talk on the phone for god knows how long, no more chivalry. You want sex? Adapt. Start hitting the weights and treat women how you see the so-called bad boys do.

At the end of the day, you don't owe women anything and vice versa. Be pragmatic, be practical, give no fucks. You'll find that your stress levels drop dramatically when you stop caring what anyone thinks. Besides, once you've had your fill of women and the sex doesn't keep you interested anymore, there's a big world out there to appreciate.

[Careless_Whisper]

I agree with you that that's the best way to get a woman, but isn't it sad that men have to be assholes in order to attract women? Very sad indeed.

[Rock_Steakface]

Sad? No. That's what women choose/have chosen. They're making a conscious decision and I will not waste time pitying fools (you see what I did there? Mr. T would be so proud). Some guys, the genuinely nice guys who just don't have the will or the desire to treat other people like shit, they're the ones I feel bad for. The only winning move for them is to not play.

But to them I say this: there's a whole world out there outside of women. You don't have to feel as if you're missing out on something because you're not.

[Careless_Whisper]

If you don't think it's sad that men have to be assholes in order to get women then you are a complete and utter moron.

[Rock_Steakface]

Or a sociopath.

[nightslookbright1]

Being nice is not the most important part of a relationship, sorry folks. Anyone can be nice. Kissing, cuddling, compliments, taking us out on dates, yeah that's all nice, but any guy can do that. Lots of guys pride themselves on these things but almost anyone can do them with ease. Those things don't take a lot of work.

No matter how nice you are, you still need to have a job, a car, some level of initiative. You need to be responsible, do half of the work of the work in the relationship and don't rely on us to do everything for you.

[Indigo91]

Yeah well I guess shagging an asshole is much better than a good guy.

[nightslookbright1]

@Indigo91 Why is it an either or? Is it too much to ask for someone who is both nice and is responsible/independent.

[Indigo91]

There's plenty of good caring providers out there, its just women either cheat or choose over the good looking bad boy or player just because women can't rationalize when choosing partners. Oh well the MGTOW movement is growing strong and wide where women will have to answer to when men decide to opt out of the dating game to settle for prostitutes and pornography.

[EmiliaB]

@Indigo91 So you're saying nice guys aren't good looking? I've met a few seriously good looking nice guys, and some bad boys who aren't as good looking.
I've never dated a nice guy, not because I'm not interested but because the ones I've met are simply too good for me. I wouldn't have anything to bring to a relationship like that.

[Careless_Whisper]

@EmiliaB "I've never dated a nice guy, not because I'm not interested but because the ones I've met are simply too good for me. I wouldn't have anything to bring to a relationship like that."

The stupidity of western women is unbearable.

[EmiliaB]

I may be stupid, but it's better than living a life full of hate and resentment. No?

You don't even know me.

[Indigo91]

@EmiliaB He knows that you have a vagina which whispers to you subconsciously "female hypergamy"

[EmiliaB]

@Indigo91 Whatever you tell yourself to make yourself feel better, Arguing with this amount of ignorance is pointless, but it's a really pathetic outlook he has.
It's actually very sad.

[Indigo91]

@EmiliaB Oh sorry! I just can't help but say that there is a growing epidemic of female twats in our society lol but yeah I am ignorant whenever a man claims any faults in female behavior. You can't even explain why I am ignorant but just criticize my ideas because in your world all women are perfect and special that think they deserve mass privilege for just been a woman.

[genuinlysensitive]

My gold-digger sense is tingling!

[skykidx1]

I can argee with this 100% but you can't expected every man to have his life together unless their parents give it too them. Most people both man&women gotta work hard to be independent. Which is something my ex girlfriend didn't understand after being given everything her whloe life and begging me to not join the marines. i flapped my life around for her and she expected me to fix my life fast when i give up everything i every wanted for her... we break up o will. 1 year later i got 2 jobs thinking of quiting 1 for a Fed ex job I don't know yet but going to a trade school when the summer up but waiting on my house to be fix up after a bad fire and even got my promote which was a bad fear of mine... lets just saybi get sick just riding a bus so didn't even through how i was gonna drive car. But now that i am driving a car i feel perfect fine but still get sick on a bus or if anyone else is driving funnyright?

[Anonymous]

well, from my experience iv noticed guys that seem to be "nice guys" are just frustrated assholes that haven't gotten any. about a year ago i started talking to this new guy in my frisbee team. after being friends with him on facebook for about a month I've noticed he was "one of those guys". he'd mention how he wanted what i had. (i have a hot girlfriend btw). and also post junk like "girls are so dumb to fall for assholes" . eventually when ever i would dissagree with him he'd snap and say things like "gosh, larry not everything is about you!" and " you don't appreciate you have". classic nice guy.

[TayTay21]

I think most of this is true except #3. I think a lot of nice guys are too self-conscious and don't feel like they're what girls want, so they doubt themselves and end up sabotaging their chances. Nice guys need to learn to be more ruthless and just go for what they want.

Otherwise, yes, I'd agree that most younger girls will choose losers over the respectful gentleman in most cases. Most girls don't come to appreciate nice guys until they've been fucked around a bit by sexy losers lol.

[SinisterS]

Well true. But again that is what is core of being nice person you care about things more then you should. Being ruthless if ether not caring or caring and forcing your self to act like you dont care.
Problem with girls going for nice guys when they crash and burn hard many times is that some of guys at that point will look at them like damaged goods, like something that would remind them of all hard time they had with girls will she was messing around with everyone and now thous guys dont want her any more. World is weird place where things dont really work way the should. So you get 3 options 1) adapt (become somewhat bad or sleazebag) 2) keep doing same thing and fail and lose 3) say to hell with it all i set my own rules and dont need anyone

[TayTay21]

@SinisterS What I mean by being ruthless is that nice guys should not worry so much about what girls think and go for what they what.

Remember, sometimes girls don't even notice a guy until he steps up and shows some interest. Most girls want to know who wants us. Many of us are open to various types of guys, but the critical thing is that a guy makes his interest known. You'd be amazed at the change in a girl's attitude about a guy after she finds out he's interested and willing to put himself out there.

So it's not about forcing yourself on anyone, it's about chasing a bit. I feel bad for guys who get rejected a lot, but there are things they can do to make themselves more attractive. There are waaay too many guys who put zero effort into the way they dress, their fitness, and their social skills and then complain about why they can't get girls. Yet these same guys put hundreds of hours of effort into mastering other skills. I don't get it.

[skykidx1]

I like this reply after i lose my ex through a forced break up by her parents too someone she told me she felt like nothing but a bootycall too. All i did was 2rd guestmysel and become so self-conscious.. i started to feel like every women wanted to be treat like a sex objected and a little like shit but good nicely at the same time. I almost let my ex girlfriend parents change who i am.. but took a year off yo improve on myself and said even if thats what women want i dont wanna be that kind of guy. Now every other day people tell me i seem like a nice guy&gentmen in factat work someone was telling me that.. we mostly talked about the fact i wanna be a nurse. But anyway i can see how so many guys are turned into bitter dicks by younger girls becuase even through i find a new girlfriend thats a lot more mature then my ex girlfriend she's toll effects me till this day. I even face 1 problem i did with my ex girlfriend with the new girl her parentslol

[Philosopher_Edge]

The only difference between a nice guy and a not nice guy, is the not nice guy knows it's a numbers game.

He knows he's going to be rejected. As a matter of fact, he's counting on it. He knows he's going to get rejected, so he doesn't it bother him. He knows he's gonna have to get through probably 7-9 more rejections before he gets what he wants.

Problem with 'Nice' guys is they aren't as indiscriminate. They only go after girls they really like, not just what's available at the time. So when they are rejected, it hurts.

Guys... Don't get your feelings involved until you meet (and land) a decent one.

[EllieLexis513]

A lot of nice guys are bitter crybabies... the ones I've met are anyway.

[madhatters4]

then they aren't necessarily nice guys. just bitter cry babies

[EllieLexis513]

@madhatters4 You can be nice and still be a crybaby lol

[madhatters4]

true. you can also be a jerk and be a crybaby.

[EllieLexis513]

@madhatters4 This is also true lol

[Deadpool7699]

@Indigo91 Holly shit... those last two comments are the fucking greatest things I've ever read XD

[Careless_Whisper]

For the reasons I talked about in this myTake

[ObscuredBeyond]

Is it being a "bitter crybaby" when women lie about you to police, after pretending to want to be close to you? Or is it survival to look over your shoulder and make sure the next girl isn't a sadistic, two-faced serpent?

Is it being a "bitter crybaby" when they abuse you, then leave for childish reasons out of the blue - and then twist the knife by lying to your parents to try to turn them against you?

It's no wonder I relate to spy thrillers so much... my dating life feels like one.

Some of these women I've met in the past... the only thing preventing it from being fodder for a filler episode of season 4 of Agents if SHIELD, is the lack of space alien voodoo. (Though, one of my exes did turn out to be a closet practicing witch / Rodnovian priestess, so there is that.) Just add some fictional alien, and the rest of the script could practically write itself.

[EllieLexis513]

@ObscuredBeyond Wow, who pissed in your wheaties? Lol

[ObscuredBeyond]

My advice: don't ever move to the Grand Ledge area. I've had more than my fill of the sociopaths it churns out of its school system. I mean, if they were to build an asylum to house everyone in that area that needs it, it'd be the size of about 1/3 of the existing town!

[EllieLexis513]

@ObscuredBeyond I was just asking because you kind of came out of no where with a rant against women. I know plenty of girls who think they are nice and they aren't, they're bitches and psychotic. But I only commented about the Nice Guys because that's what the Take is about, not nice women.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Well, that does make more sense. I'm just hoping to meet a girl who is normal. I've had my fill of pscyhos.

[ZeatZed]

Yet again we come to the delima of actual nice guys and the fakers... Can we just start differentiating between real nice guys and fakers because it's made it difficult on me since I'm generally a nice guy who is a hopeless romantic, but I have been given this terrible persona because of the i guess you would call them "imitators"