Ladies, do you think its fair to expect both the benefits of feminism and chivalry?
What Girls Said 11
Yes. Chivalry is, or should be, gender neutral. It's basic politeness. So feminism and chivalry should have no conflict with each other. Anyhow, the whole idea of chivalry sprang up back in the age of knights, when it was just men who were seen as strong enough to be warriors and protect others, something that feminism opposes anyhow. Now, chivalry as a way for men to treat women special has mostly disappeared, and only a few remnants are still here.0
Personally, i am not a feminist and i believe that different genders are naturally suited for different roles, for example men are naturally stonger than women in general (not taking into consideration the minority of hench women and weedy guys).
Therefore i think women who demasculinise men cannot also expect the man to be chivalrous because they have taken away his masculinity.
If a girl wants chivalry she has got to let a man be a man otherwise the only kind of guys she dates are pussies.3
If you're talking about things like guys paying for dates or opening doors for girls, then no. It's actually part of the problem because even if it sounds nice, it gives the message that girls need guys to do stuff for us because we can't do it on our own, so I actually don't like that whole chivalry thing.
However I do think it's nice when people open the doors for you just because its good to make other people feel nice (without focusing on gender, just people doing nice things for others).0
Just wanted to say feminists, are suppose to fight for equal rights among ALL not one gender or race over powering the other. You can see some of these people throughout history, as well as recent. Like Emma Watson included a man in her feminist act. Many supposed feminists don't realize that is what this should mean, but it is. Being chivalrous just means being respectable and having certain morals, it isn't quite specific enough to compare, unless you want to joust...1
Absolutely! Feminism refers to gender equality in all aspects, while chivalry is defined as "the combination of qualities expected of an ideal knight, especially courage, honor, courtesy, justice." Just because I demand equal pay at the workplace, equal treatment, equal rights, (etc), doesn't mean I don't look for chivalrous qualities in a man. "Courage, honor, justice.." I don't believe such qualities negate the fundamental beliefs of feminism1
No, I expect everyone is well treated. No need to make a big deal about women wanting to be respected, because of centuries of being dominated and abuse by men...0
What Guys Said 4
According to textbook-definition, feminism is about equal rights for both genders. Of course, we all know definition and reality are two different things.
In REALITY, feminists hate men and won't to take away rights from men, and allow women (and women ONLY) to gain power.
I have noticed feminists are against gender roles (but only when it benefits women.) So I don't think it's fair to expect both!1
No, also a lot of people on here confuse Chivalry, there are the virtues of Chivalry each of these virtues can be broken down into a common courtesy (s) or just overall good acts that every body should follow.
And there is the actual code of Chivalry and the commandments that go with it as well as other supplementary codes and arts such as courtly love and its chief rules.0
They are actually not opposites. There are many schools of feminism and quite a number do not actually oppose social normative behaviors surrounding customs (what you consider Chivalry) albeit modern chivalry has nothing to do with the actual code of knights anyway. Most men don't generally volunteer to take care of widows and children and treat everyone with kindness, dignity, and protect all men and women who are unable to defend themselves.0
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