It is a well known fact that women date up and men date down, with looks being an exception sometimes.
I currently hold a bachelor's degree, and due to my circumstances I don't suppose I can ever pursue masters (I have very low GPA in bachelor's which makes me ineligible for most masters unless I repeat my bachelors). But I do have lots of skills and over half a decade of industry experience, and in my profession a masters isn't even essential.
Does this automatically make me 'ineligible' to pursue women who have more education than a bachelor's degree? I know some women would be fine with this, but I don't feel confident at all approaching women having a masters or higher. If I am interested in a woman and come to know that she is more educated than me, I immediately stop pursuing her off due to this 'rule' of women dating up, which means she can't ever be interested in me. And I hate to find myself in a situation where I need to explain why I can't pursue masters, and why it isn't even needed for me.
In short... is there any point in even pursuing women more qualified than me, because they are more than likely to turn me down? If I utilised the same time and efforts to pursue women with a bachelors or lower, maybe my chances of success would be much higher. Really need some insight on this.
I'm not 'specifically' seeking women more educated than me. I just want to honestly know if it's even worth pursuing them, and if I have a realistic chance with them.
Education means nothing when it comes to dating. For some people they definitely have preferences, but honestly it does not matter. I went to college and I still will date guys who never went to school. I will also date guys who have a trade.
There is nothing wrong with alternate life paths. The keys to success do not always end in schooling. Some people are just gifted in different ways. Some are really great with their hands, while others are great with their minds.
I think you should go for who you like. Find commonalities you can share with her and go from there.
First, any woman who cares if you have a degree isn't worth being with.
Second, this is not a "rule". Even if it's true about women dating up, it's an average of millions of people. Meaning that lots do not date up. However I doubt if it's even true. The math would be a bit of a problem if it was.
Third, the most successful people I know did not have a college degree at all. The most successful of those dropped out of high school in the 8th grade. The second most successful finished high school, barely. He was in the bottom 3% in his class.
4) You are not ineligible to date ANYONE. If you are interested in someone and stop because you think they are out of reach, you are your own worst enemy. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
If you are interested in someone just go for it. It doesn't matter what degree they have, how good looking they are, or what their social background is.
As long as you entertain the idea that you are ineligible, you will be. You can't use a stereotype like this as a crutch, not all women conform to it. I have a friend that has her masters and her husband is a carpenter. Be confident that you aren't lacking, it's 2016. Most women I know just want a supportive partner to share their life with.
Speaking in generalities, most women do try to date up. But that's a misnomer. Education is yet but one aspect of the term "up". Women desire security. It's actually pretty simple. But lots of men can offer security in all sorts of ways and there are tons of women who have different expectations of what "security" means to them. Maybe you're uneducated but inherited a family farm. You raise pigs but you're good at it and earn a consistent good living and can offer a woman a stable and secure future. Instead, maybe you're an aspiring writer working on your Bachelors degree - you have no money but I love your writing and believe in your abilities to find success. Or, maybe you have a high school education but own your own car repair business - you come home filthy but you're kind and good looking and you're a hard worker. Or, you have a high school education and are holding down a decent job but you have a passion and a dream for being a famous rapper and you're really good at it and you're constantly working toward your dreams. Any of those are examples of men who exemplify qualities that hold a promise of "UP". Women want men who show promise of providing a stable life free of financial stress, able to care for his children, and think about the future with the instincts to care for us and keep us safe and healthy. A Masters degree is impressive but by itself says nothing about you. Show her you're worth an investment of her time and she will invest. Don't be focused on the superficial, be focused on making you a great catch.
Not at all. I used to think I wanted a man who had at least a master's degree or a PhD, as I myself have a master's degree. But my boyfriend of 5 years actually has a college degree and I am okay with that. A person's intellect and personality has nothing to do with an education, and I think a lot of women should realize that.
you are NOT ineligible at all. personally, as long as you have at least 1 degree, then we're good. in the end, it's not the paper i care about. it's that he has a job and can work with me to provide for what will hopefully be a future family.
I don't think qualifications really matter that much do they? I'd kinda like the guy to be similarly educated to me just so as I know we will be able to hold a convo but its not the first thing I look into when deciding if someone is right for me or not... chemistry and getting along is most important. I think you should be ok with pretty much any girl with a BA dude.
I have several post grad degrees. I have never dated a guy who has had one. The most educated guy I dated had a bachelor degree. When looking for a partner, I look for a guy who has a wide range of interests and general knowledge on a wide range of topics. ( this is just life experience, and being well read). It makes the person much more interesting, then someone who has just studied hard and never picked up a book since Uni.
I don't judge guys by their degree, I judge them by their behavior (okay and slightly by looks). Someone who appears smart and insightful, who has a lot of interests, treats me well and who is funny is the guy I'd want. Don't care about the degree as long as he does something useful with his life, I know I will be making enough money myself not to have to rely on him anyways.
I think that counts for more highly educated women. They don't need the man to be a provider like they did in the old days, so they go for a nice personality instead.
No, you can approach any woman of your choosing. It's up to them to decide if they reject you or not, and if they consider your degree to not be good enough for them then they're not a woman you should wanna be with in the first place.
I am in professional school and I certainly would date and marry someone who was "less qualified" than me. I would think at least college educated is fine, to be able to relate. Not all women are the same. I know the trend is women seek same level or higher, but there are bountiful exceptions. Good luck, just meet a beauty of character and see where it leads...
It was a thing where women dated up in education lower in looks. However thats changing these days, More women hold degrees then men these days. So , women will have to date lower in education but probably higher in looks. Me personally i dont think it mattera as long as you have a steady job.
You have a bachelor's degree... you still went to college, not everybody does. As long as whatever you're pursuing in your job is something you enjoy and do good at, then that's good enough for me lol.
As someone with a masters degree, it's not a big deal. I think what matters more is if you're intelligent, kind and motivated. It's not the degree, but rather showing that you're capable of taking care of yourself and taking care of her (even though she'll be more than able to do that herself). If you have a good job that you're proud of, and do things on the side that you're passionate about, it goes a long way.
It's all going to depend on the woman. I may not have the high education, but I have a work history and coworkers turned friends that a lot of highly educated people would be jealous of. If you're okay with some of the stereotypes try going for the science based major women, they tend not to have the same "standards" that you seem to be worried about.
I'm getting my master's degree and so is my boyfriend. I don't think I'd date someone who is not im school without a master's degree. But mostly because I would make fun of them not having one which would probably hurt their feelings and they'd be upset with me all the time... You know how some men don't even look at a girl if she doesn't have a fit body? Yeah I'm like that only with degrees. As those guys put it though, we have spent so much time and effort to get fit like this, why can't we expect her to do the same? I have spent so many years in school and libraries, learning, doing research and gathering information from random scientific journals, writing endless lab and technical reports... expecting the person whom I might spend my future life with to be on the same level isn't too much.
you don't have to be better than me education wise but at least match up with me... for some reason, I'm just not attracted to some kid whose still in high school or college finishing their bachelor's... it just seems they are way too young or immature. I'm myself in middle of finishing grad school
Im afraid we do like to date up. I know its a hypocritical double standard wanting to be treated equally in all things and for our partner to value us in a relationship but at the same time want a man who is both better and superior to us in nearly all things. I think thats why so many girls my age and in their twenties prefer older men at least five years older sometimes ten or fifthteen. But there it is sorry.
Nope, I'm getting my masters in a year, but a man's level of education (beyond a high school diploma) doesn't bother me. I know guys that are really successful, hard workers who are less-educated, and it doesn't lower my interest at all.
I have a Bachelor's and only a few of my boyfriends had degrees, personally. Several of my friends have Masters and their hubs/boyfriends don't. I don't think it's too uncommon - especially as it seems a lot of female centric careers encourage Masters Degrees, like teaching. When other professions don't need it. Most of my guys have been tradesmen.
I'm sorry, but this whole thing is preposterous. In fact, I'm not entirely sure this is serious.
You do realise that 'education', in a certain sense, is a joke right? ie it's a means of making you more efficient and knowledgeable in your specialism. It says little about your overall character, it doesn't even say a huge deal about your intelligence, beyond being academically inclined and in a higher than average percentile. It says little about wisdom, true critical thinking skills, myriad other interpretations of intelligence, other areas of knowledge. It doesn't mean you have any social capability, necessarily, nor that you can manage your affairs. A masters doesn't even necessarily mean you will command a higher salary in your field.
Ineligible to date? Think what you're saying. No two people are alike. And even if they are, a woman who rejects you on the basis of that, I mean, come on. Provided you are successful or comfortable in your field. You're likely self limiting and intimidated yourself. A masters, credit where credit is due. But let's not buy until this horseshit that it actually matters. It's just another means of separating humans and people deceiving themselves into thinking they are superior than others.
While your degree might feel important now, it really won't be in the future when you get further into your career. Not all careers require masters or PHD yet can still take you far, if not further in terms of success and status which is ultimately what a lot of women would be attracted to from a man's career.
You'll get some doctors who have spent more time in university than some astronauts, but are they higher than astronauts? Not at all.
If you're passionate, goal orientated and know where you're heading in life that would be far more attractive to most women than if you have a master's degree or not. The only thing I would do is try not to date women in the same career field as me.
"It is a well known fact that women date up and men date down, with looks being an exception sometimes." That is not a FACT, it is your conclusion. Usually, when people say something like this, it is a lame excuse for why they have not had much success in dating. Is that true in this case?
Oh jesus. Im groaning here. You need money or a bit of paper saying what you know to feel any worth? You'll never get any women with that attitude. You should be your own number 1 fan and think you could pull anything. Women love confidence and a cheeky fucker who thinks he's the bee knees. If you like a women, and it doesn't matter if she's a supermodel and you're a tramp in the street, you gotta believe in yourself. We're human beings, not produce in a supermarket. Does this belong on that shelf, no its got a blue label it belongs down there... No danger. I've got ugly mates that have the most beautiful gfs and theyve come from nothing by the way. The difference was they were grounded and human. They believed in themselves and they were genuinely humble and funny and great to get along with. A guy like that is like a breath of fresh air to a woman when all she's used to is posers and fakes and boasters and other retards like them. What im trying to say is your born with all the tools to make it with women. Money and cars and phds and all that shit are for the empty and insecure
Most women major in a bachelor of art's related field. And if they did choose to pursue a master's, they're salary wouldn't exceed $75,000-$80,00\. Meanwhile, you can have an electrical/computer/chemical/aero engineer with only a bachelor's making $60,000 to $70,000 for a STARTING salary, and maxing out to $100,000+. As you can see, the letters behind your name in regards to degrees completed are insignificant if they're from a shitty field with low pay.
Are you serious right now? Girls don't typically ask me if my GPA is above a 3.6 as a prerequisite for a date bro. I think you got some bigger issues that are preventing women from dating you if you have seriously convinced yourself in your head that this is what is holding you back.
No, I have a BS and I was with a Ph. D. for five years. We earned about the same money and I had no problem talking to her about her work. Just forget about their academic experience and focus on their personality. Generally people who have advanced degrees don't look down others. It's just another way through life.
I think the assumption that women primarily care about whether you have a bachelor's or a master's is more likely to make you ineligible than the lack of said masters degree. In the end, a degree is just a piece of paper.