How'd a woman act around these guys and do they allow some men to get away with more based on them being less "good material"? (READ DESCRIPTION)?

[Anonymous]

Within the social circle (she met both when she had a boyfriend, and now she's single), how would a SWEET, GOOD girl act around:

Guy 1
-more attractive (fit)
-kind and confident
-refreshing, unique, talented
-sweet and good natured
-texts her specially, compliments HER qualities/style
-polite
-fun/witty in a subtle, respectful way

Guy 2
- less attractive
- very in your face/brash
- fun in a group/loud way
- objectifies women (e. g. posts pics of everyone around him on fb and labels them 'daboss' etc),
- tells EVERY girl she is pretty/hot
- texts her in group chats, general talk
- not as "good" (as a friend or potentially more unlike the other guy)

PART 2

Explain?
- With guy 1, she poses more innocently (arm around waist), act sweet, innocent, except when alone where she acts fun and wilder. She texts him deeply.
- With guy 2, she joins other girls in posing around in very suggestive poses around the guy for FB Calls him by his surname, has never slept with him

PART 3

Do some women allow some guys to GET AWAY WITH MORE?
Is it about congruence, and why do women do that, isn't it perverse to essentially reward less good behaviour with sexuality? So:

A) Who would she give head to in the backroom of a party and take a c**shot on her face with?
B) Who would she want to have sex with and be friends after
C) Who would she be friends with later on in her life
D) Who would she appreciate telling her she looks hot and how should the guy say it?

Updates

+1 y

In part 3 for instance, can some guy say things like

"All I can think about is my c**k in your mouth" when talking to her

Or in the bedroom say things like:
"Suck my c**k you slut!", tap his D on her face, at the backroom of a party.
Just act sexual?

And why?

[Decentguy]

about the part 1, i'll say that, with the guy one. she'll act more positively and good. and with the guy 2 she won't be interested in him taht much, as the guy 1.
but since some girls like the opposite of those guys, so the case can be the opposite of what i told you.

now the part 2
Explain?
- With guy 1, she poses more innocently (arm around waist), act sweet, innocent, except when alone where she acts fun and wilder. She texts him deeply.
- With guy 2, she joins other girls in posing around in very suggestive poses around the guy for FB Calls him by his surname, has never slept with him

looks like she friendzoned the guy 2

now coming to the part 3

Do some women allow some guys to GET AWAY WITH MORE?
Is it about congruence, and why do women do that, isn't it perverse to essentially reward less good behaviour with sexuality? So:

A) Who would she give head to in the backroom of a party and take a c**shot on her face with?
it can be both guys, it all depends on the girl. that what kind of a girl she is
B) Who would she want to have sex with and be friends after
in whom she have just lust with.
C) Who would she be friends with later on in her life
with that guy whom she's not interested in
D) Who would she appreciate telling her she looks hot and how should the guy say it?
i think a guy who is more attractive to her, based upon her likes.

[Asker]

Haha interesting! Ok I'll respond to your points:
Part 1 = So from the description, do you think she is more positive and likes guy 1 more? I would have thought so, interested in the "girls like the opposite" haha. I mean so why guy 1 more, I too would have thought so personally.

Part 2 = Haha yeah so can you explain why guy 2 is in that zone? And as for guy 1 how does she view him. She met both guys when she had a boyfriend and can you explain the difference in posing and texting/behavior when in person?

Part 3
A) Yeah I see your point. Let's say she's a sweet girl, who can be fun too. Had 1 boyfriend before. I mean does it depend on the qualities of guy 1 and guy 2, what do you think?
B) Can u clarify, so I mean based on descriptions of both guys and being friends after sex?
C) I don't get that. So say neither guy is the guy she marries for instance. Who'd she be friends with forever (whether she has sex or not)?
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[Asker]

D) based on the descriptions. E. g. guy 1 has always genuinely complimented her character and she loves it. He's a bit nervous to say she looks hot even though he thinks it as he didn't want to when she had a boyfriend. Now she is single. The other guy primarily tells her and every girl publically they are pretty and on fb in those group photos calls them "fitties"/"Like a boss". So if she was seeing say guy 1 after a long time and there is that mutual admiration or affection and he compliments her looks, will it stand out and would she appreciate it?

Thanks by the way and I think your analysis is good! What do you think?

[Asker]

What do you reckon?

[Decentguy]

yeah it think she would appreciate it

[Asker]

What do you reckon on my points back to you lol

[Asker]

THOUGHTS

[Decentguy]

well she would go for the guy 1

[Asker]

Agreed, I too think guy 1 is perceived far more positively by her.

I mean my points here haha in response to yours:
Part 2 = Haha yeah so can you explain why guy 2 is in that zone? And as for guy 1 how does she view him. She met both guys when she had a boyfriend and can you explain the difference in posing and texting/behavior when in person?

Part 3
A) Yeah I see your point. Let's say she's a sweet girl, who can be fun too. Had 1 boyfriend before. I mean does it depend on the qualities of guy 1 and guy 2, what do you think?
B) Can u clarify, so I mean based on descriptions of both guys and being friends after sex?
C) I don't get that. So say neither guy is the guy she marries for instance. Who'd she be friends with forever (whether she has sex or not)?
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[Asker]

"D) based on the descriptions. E. g. guy 1 has always genuinely complimented her character and she loves it. He's a bit nervous to say she looks hot even though he thinks it as he didn't want to when she had a boyfriend. Now she is single. The other guy primarily tells her and every girl publically they are pretty and on fb in those group photos calls them "fitties"/"Like a boss". So if she was seeing say guy 1 after a long time and there is that mutual admiration or affection and he compliments her looks, will it stand out and would she appreciate it?"

Thanks by the way and I think your analysis is good! What do you think?

[Asker]

Well

[Anonymous]

That's really hard to say. I am not going to answer your questions in your way.

But it looks guy 1 is confident in himself and doesn't care about the opinions of others. AS LONG as he isn't TRYING to be a nice guy in order to get the girl. He probably has a life outside of talking to girls. This is far more attractive.

Guy 2 is INSECURE believe it or not, he has to objectify women in order to hide his insecurities about them. Also constantly texting every girl is another sign of being desperate. He has no life outside of texting them.

I don't know if guy 1 or 2 are guys that you know or if it is 2 ways that you like to act. I have no idea.

But I can tell you that guy 1 comes over as a confident guy who could probably subtly indeed get to having sex at a party with her AND then stands a chance at being her boyfriend.

Guy 2 is ridiciliously insecure and desperate. There is nothing sexy about constantly talking all the girls you know to get their attention. At the very most some will friendzone you.

[Asker]

Haha ok, well so long as you can answer. I thought breaking it down sounded better given that some (primarily girls) people were posting generic obvious statements about other people. To your good points:

Yes, you are right. Guy 1 is GENUINE. He isn't pretending to be nice. He is a good man who she has respect for and likes. Yes he has a life and yes is attractive personally and physically. He is only unsure how to hit on her now she is single. e. g. he genuinely liked her qualities and told her that which she loved. Now she is single, he doesn't quite know how to tell her she is cute too.

As for guy 2, that's interesting! So he's INSECURE, that kinda makes sense. Yes I mean it's not just texting, but in person he tells everyone they're hot. He also posts fb pictures of all the girls around him in poses and labels them "daboss". Why do you think women would do that around him though? And pose closer to guy 1 either in group or alone?

Cont

[Asker]

And in person, so you're saying if guy 1 is confident (which he is), he could subtly get sex rather than guy 2 at a party? It's just how would he if he's nervous given how he met her? What would you do as him and would the girl then prefer him for this type of thing or more?

Yes I agree on the zone for guy 2 haha.

So say guy 1 was seeing the girl after a long time, what about the physical compliment from him now? And as to how he becomes more sexual with this girl now she's single?

[Opinion Owner]

It still is hard to be so specific with the question. But guy 1 could play a little bit of hard to get and that will get the girl to sort of chase him or make it easier for him. Girls love chasing guys as a fact. Girls taking a normal photo with him is a very positive sign. Although guy 1 would do best as he already is, he could maybe act SLIGHTLY more dominant. Think James Bond/George Clooney style. I know James Bond is not real.

Guy 2 might have the confidence but chasing after all the girls trying to get them to have sex with him is not going to work at all. When girls pose with guys it is a classic sign that the guy is friendzoned and stands no chance with them.

Ever seen those Hooters photos where you just know that the guy is not going to get laid with those girls?

They will often even strike a sexy pose as a joke.

[Asker]

Right so how would guy 1 play a little hard to get in the context of her having say moved back to his country? In terms of texting and seeing her at some point?

I mean Guy 1 is probably like Bond already. I concur on that style. It's just how does he act more dominant toward his female friend? And the photo arms round waist is a good sign?

Guy 2 yeah I agree. How do you mean pose? So as in she and a few others pose round him after a recital and its' just for fun then? It seems like he's getting rewarded though lol. And gets to say things like "daboss" , "kinky" etc. Then again he interacts mainly on fb other than these moments. Guy 1 is texting and in person and more intimate?

Hooters. Haha ok, so it that what it's about then? But how does guy 1 then get more sexual with the girl?

What about the physical compliment thing given she loved his personality compliements this whole time but he wants to convey attraction , be dominant and seductive?

[Asker]

What do you reckon?

[Asker]

Any thoughts please?

[bedroomdweller]

I think this is as close as you would like to hear OP

"He probably has a life outside of talking to girls. This is far more attractive."

And I agree to this.

But I think you are overthinking stuff too much. You should't discredit what the other people are telling you. Less actual focus on getting girls and more focus on self improvement is the way to go. Don't necessarily have to be a dick but have zero pretentiousness, and quit the nice guy act.

Also, women take any dirty/horny talk and give men a bit more power in the bedroom as long as she sees the guy has something to offer in a relationship, or he a good catch for casual sex, in other words as long as it is benefitting her in some way. Girls give a bit for gain, the less she's gaining the more she closes. It's a transaction for women, not love.

[Asker]

@bedroomdweller Yeah good point. I mean as guy 1 (did you guess), I hope so. I do have a life outside of girls, though running startup and socialising less atm feels tough lol.

I am focusing on self improvement and always have found I get on well with women. Just I have standards. I mean this girl is someone I like and she has become single now, she's been talking about catching up (she just moved back to this country) too. I actually recently met up with a mutual female friend and smoothly got a solo catchup and had a great evening out.

I'm just a genuine guy - i'm nice and have standards, and don't really be a dick/jock like. I prefer being like bond lol.

So how do you mean the whole dirty talk or being perceived as a good catch for casual sex (if you're in her social circle, but not too close as I am)?

[bedroomdweller]

No I mean, she'll let you be more sexual in any context based on what she is looking for and you can provide, whether that's being a hookup or potential benefits for long term stuff.

I don't think it matters how close you are to her social circle. If she wants you for casual sex all she is having from you is she finds you attractive and you give her good orgasms, and overall a good time. If you have a nice good social image overall as far as she knows it doesn't affect her because you're just good fun and good fuck.

[Asker]

@bedroomdweller Haha that's great to know. I get that, so how do I know she is open to being sexual with me?

Yeah agreed on social circle. She definitely seems to admire me and my energy/drive etc. We always have a good time and a certain sweet connection by text/in person at some moments. I'm trying to meet her in a reunion and catchup in a high energy fun way if I can. I mean I know I met a different girl (who knows her) recently and had an intimate dinner and walk and definitely felt a buzz.

How do I become the guy she wants not only for fun but also a good fuck if she's sweet like me lol?

[bedroomdweller]

That's your job. If you want to be nothing but a sex buddy with her that's in your place to position yourself to her as such, at least in her mind. Then, she'll make a decision if she wants to accept that or not. I'm not a dating coach or some shit like that so I can't "tip" you on that. I'm just explaining her rational. Just take notice girls are sexually attracted once they relate you to sex. If you last too long or fuck up then you're at fault at presenting yourself as a non sexual entity. How you'll do is up to you.

Also, sorry to the opinion owner to fill up your notifications.

[Asker]

@bedroomdweller Haha feel free to post your own opinion notification wise!

As for your points, yes I see your point. It's just given she has become single, how do I position myself as someone in her mind for sex? I think I am positioned as guy she admires and finds exciting/likes his sweetness and drive/genuine man vibe.

It's like this, I dunno about how she wants to date or be single atm. I know atm I'm a bit busy to date, running startup etc and I kinda help out aunt/uncle out of the city compared to earlier (sigh timing eh I had a bachelor pad before). But I can meet her (or other women as I just recently did). And I would be up for being intimate with her/having sex. Though I do see her personally as someone I would like to be friends with after still?

It's tricky so any advice would be appreciated?

[Asker]

@bedroomdweller Thoughts?

[kellyg83]

wow. you really have some illusions about what good girls are.

as an actual self-respecting good girl, i can honestly tell you that guy 2 would get knocked straight the f*ck out. there would be no suggestive posing with him, or any of that. that sounds like some sh*t you saw on t. v. or youtube.

guy 1 sounds like a great guy and is much better suited for a relationship.

as far as part 3 goes:

A) not gonna happen. that again sounds like t. v., porn, or youtube, or some guys fantasy.
B) probably guy 2, but that's usually only if she has a self esteem problem. and yes good girls get those, it doesn't matter how "hot" she is or how much guys compliment her.
C) again guy 2, but only because he's somebody to party around with. she could be closer friends with guy 1, but i see that as being more serious.
D) guy 1 without a doubt, and no explanation is necessary. if he's as confident as you say then he will already know the answer. just don't come off as a shmuck. for example: don't say some crazy sh*t like "you look so good girl, i want to bathe you in butter." unless you're trying to be funny, otherwise you'll get punched.

[kellyg83]

and by the way, those scenarios you described in the update? get real. no good girl would actually allow a guy to talk to her that way.

[Asker]

I don't have any illusions. I know what a good girl is. This is a psychology question based on real people. Thanks for answering and I will address your points.

Great! So guy 2 wouldn't have a chance for sex or more or friends? It's just explain the posing around him (with other girls) which he posts on fb labelled "likeaboss" versus the posing with guy 1 as explained above (closer to him and arm on waist)?

Guy 1 is a great guy yes. But he's nervous given he met her when she wasn't single and now she is?

Part 3:
A) That's not what I asked. It's how it could happen and with whom, is it dependent on who is good
B) What? So why guy 2 and NOT guy 1? Who would she have sex with and still be friends till she's old?
C) I meant as in she marries someone else, but who would she be friends till she's old?
D) That's great. So why would she appreciate a sudden physical compliment from guy 1 when they meet after a long time?

[Asker]

Thoughts

[Asker]

Thoughts?

[kellyg83]

A) no. why the hell would she give a guy head and allow a guy to give her a cum shot to the face, unless she has serious self esteem/humiliation problems? that's degrading and disgusting and generally only happens in porn. so neither guy would ever be allowed to "get head and give her a cumshot to the face."
B) she could do that with guy 1, but only if she will end up with someone else. guy 1 is more the "end up with forever type." guy 2 because he could never be taken seriously for a relationship.
C) in the event that she ends up with someone else, she would remain friends with guy 1 because he is the better quality man.
D) physical compliment? i thought you said that was verbal?

[Asker]

Firstly I think you missed my initial response to you?

"Great! So guy 2 wouldn't have a chance for sex or more or friends? It's just explain the posing around him (with other girls) which he posts on fb labelled "likeaboss" versus the posing with guy 1 as explained above (closer to him and arm on waist)?

Guy 1 is a great guy yes. But he's nervous given he met her when she wasn't single and now she is?"

To your other points:
A) Not exactly, well the gist of the question was say having sex at another person's house party or getting physical. Or alternatively getting sexual at her place. Which and why
B) Ok, but why can guy 1 not be a guy for sex too if he's a great person? Surely she can have fun with him and be friends till old age too?
C) Yes I agree on that one. How does guy 1 tell her he sees her like that and also she's cute? If he wanted her to be his first?
D) Yes a verbal compliment on her physical features compared to his usual genuine personality compliments? Appreciated?

[kellyg83]

i'm sure he could have sex with guy 1 and still be friends, but with a catch kind of guy, you should never just give it up that easily. if it looked like they would not end up together, then yes, they could sleep together and be friends.

and why wouldn't his compliments be appreciated?

[Asker]

I see, so explain about having sex with guy 1 and still being friends? As in yes, long term they might not be the ones for each other, but there is rapport etc?

I didn't ask whether his compliments wouldn't be, I meant now if he suddenly gives her physical compliments, would they be appreciated and stand out? Pls re read my question to you haha?

[Asker]

Well?

[Asker]

Thoughts pls

[Anonymous]

I have answered Parts 1 & 2 else where at different point so I'm ignoring them.

PART 3:
Her sexuality is not a reward system. She is attracted to who she is attracted to, it's not a scale that weights out who is the better of the 2 people. A guy could be amazing but if he's not for her, he's just not for her.

A) She may not be willing to do that with anyone. If she is then I am sure it depends on a lot of things like how she is feeling that day, where she is in her life and stuff like that. More about where she and wants then the guy she's doing with in my opinion.
B) Depends. When you do stuff like this you generally don't want to be friends after... so probably B cause if they stay friendly after she still won't mind losing him when she gets into a relationship out of respect to her partner.
C) Probably guy 1 as long as they don't grow apart but from what you say she'd probably be willing to put more effort in to making sure that doesn't happen.
D) That depends more on how she feels and acts that day. The when is usually more important then the who at least initially.

[Asker]

Have you? I'd still like to hear your thoughts on those two parts if you can. Just briefly.

As for part 3:
Ok so how do you KNOW who she is attracted to?

A) So if it's a sweet girl, how do you know how she's feeling or whether she wants to do that with a guy, e. g. with the two guys described?
B) I'm not sure I understand. Why can't you be friends after? Surely good friends don't use each other so they'd still be friends afterward and if anything it'd be a hotter experience. Given the description of the guys and attractiveness etc, why guy 1 or 2 and why?

C) Explain? I don't get it.

D) How do u mean when? So if they reconnect after a while, given how they've each behaved to her before, who?

[Opinion Owner]

I had many many many times and just can't anymore.
Part 3- I don't. I don't know her and like I said who she likes will have a lot more to do with her and chemistry then it does logic or reason.

A) Like I said it has to do with where she is in her life and what she is looking for. My guess is a sweet girl (unless she is in a bad place - depressed or whatever) wouldn't be doing stuff like this at a party with any esp. someone she is not in a relationship with.
B) By doing that with each other they are using each other though. Also a Future Partner won't want you to be friends once they find out your past with them so it makes sense to do stuff like that with someone you don't mind losing unless you think they could be the one and are pursuing a relationship with them.
C) From what you said it sounds like she'd be willing to put more time and effort into staying friends with guy one so my guess is that that is who she'd be friends with later on in life. At least from what you said.

[Opinion Owner]

D) It has more to do with how she feels about herself that day... is what I meant by when. it also depends on who she wants to here it from which has more to do with emotional stuff and chemistry then logic or reason. We can't always help who we are into and I can't assume for someone I've never meant... I'd have to be able to read her body language to even have an idea.

[Asker]

A) Ok yes that's a point. So it's not a case of, she's at a party, and one guy isn't boyfriend material, so do sexual stuff with him is it. It's more like, you have to have a connection to do such things?
B) Really though? Because I'm sure there are people who might have even dated and become friends. Because after you marry others, at that point you clearly want the person you're married to right? So if the guy is a sweet guy and a friend, why wouldn't you want to be sexual with him rather than the less attractive option (see their traits and physical features above)? It seems silly to kinda do sexual things with guy 2 over guy 1?
C) Yes that makes sense ok. It's just can guy 1 and her ever be more and then be friends after?
D) What I meant though is say she sees either guy after a long long time and is catching up/reconnecting etc. Say guy 1 had focused on personality when she was not single. Now she is single, and he mentions her look?

[Opinion Owner]

A) If she is sweet like you said I doubt that she'd do something like that at a party with anyone...
B) No it totally makes sense to do sexual stuff with guy 2 over guy 1. You forget that women and men are different. Woman value relationships over the physical stuff, we are less likely going to be willing to through relationships away over urges. And like I said sexual stuff is not a reward system... the better guy doesn't get my body. If that's how he feels then he's def. not the better guy anyway-lol.
C) Like a relationship? Sure, random hookup or friend with benefits? I doubt it.
D) How responsive she will be about the compliment depends on a. How she feels about her self and b. how she sees you.
C)

[Asker]

A) Right ok, so if say people are grinding at a party and guy 1 or guy 2 comes and does it, (tbh guy 1 would take her back home or to his place), would guy 2 be the guy who gets her on her knees? A lot of guys (not me) like on girlschase keep opining that women would happily do it for a guy 2?

B) What? I don't get it. So if women value relationships, then wouldn't you think guy 1 would be majorly hurt if he knows that she'd been sexual or given head just like that to a guy who gives cheap talk to lots of women in the group whereas guy 1 who personally focuses on her, and is a confident guy, maybe even more attractive, is presented with just her innocent side? E. g. guy 1 values her a hell of a lot. As someone very important, but he finds her hot as well and would love to sleep with her if interested. But how would that happen? You make it sound like she'd sleep with guy 2 and not guy 1? Whereas guy 1 would sleep with her and NEVER sleep with an attention seeking girl over her?

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[Asker]

C) But why only relationship? So if both of them are good people (i. e. good boyfriend material and her good girlfriend material), doesn't mean that you can't have sex lol. Married people have sex. It's not an asexual dynamic. So why can't two good friends have sex and still be friends?

D) So can you suggest given what I said about in the description where guy 1 compliments her personally, she loves it. He was nervous to say something because she wasn't single. Now she is. Guy 1 has always personally focused on her. Guy 2 tells every girl she is hot? So if she say met guy 1 after an extended period of time, catching up, and guy 1 comments that she looks sexy/beautiful? What do u think?

[Opinion Owner]

A) Gets her on her knees? Why do you care so much. I doubt grinding alone is going to get her on her knees for anyone.
B) She doesn't want to lose you. At least not that way... if you walk away then that's on you. Sex isn't more important then a friendship for a woman. You getting hurt over her sleeping with someone probably isn't even going through her mind. If she meets someone and has good chemistry it could happen. Does she even know you like her?
C) You do get that married people are in a relationship right?
D) What do you mean? You do realize that girls get complimented a lot right? I don't know what you expect that compliment to do. If you want to compliment her looks then go for it. Try to say something on the spot so it seems real rather then rehearsed and something you just say to anyone though. How you say things is more important then what you say. And I wouldn't expect anything sexual to happen because you complimented her.

[Asker]

A) That's not what I asked. I meant if people were dancing and then it kinda moves to them talking more privately and if a guy started grinding in private on her. In two cases, the first being at another person's house party, would she do the on her knees with one guy in the backroom? And in the other case, would she get on her knees in her own bedroom at her own house party with one guy?

B) Agreed on the friendship part. It's just the fact though that you can't help being attracted to someone. If you didn't meet them at the right time (when one of you isn't single) then how are you meant to act at once. E. g. you can be friends with someone and still feel attracted/want to have sex with them can't you? I'd argue a sweet female friend is someone you'd want to be sexual with versus some random celeb etc who people just say it. How do you make her know you like her? Can you not sleep and still be friends after if you're good friends/person like guy 1?

[Asker]

C) That's what I mean. But you're talking like with guy 1, she'd do a relationship and lots of lovey dovey stuff with and not sex. And with guy 2 just sex. But that makes no sense if you're saying that women are emotional and are sexual with those they care about. Surely you'd be sexual only with guy 1 either in or out a relationship. Someone like guy 1 would only be sexual with someone he likes like a sweet friend right? So can't they sleep together as somewhere in between friend and bf/gf and then resume being friends and go on to marry other people etc? Who can she do this with?

D) I thought I was clear. Given guy 1 gives her compliments on her style/character which are well received and specific to her. Guy 2 gives physical compliments to every girl in the circle, exactly the same stuff. So if the girl then meets either guy after a long time, would a physical compliment stand out from one of them and be appreciated/make her think and feel flattered? Clarify the how you say?

[Asker]

happy Thanksgiving and any ideas when you're back

[levantine99]

wow you are a stalker and obsessed asker. i'm surprised this op was so patient with you... .

[Asker]

@levantine99 Don't know where that came from? I don't see why you wouldn't just answer if you know so much more than the rest of us?

[Asker]

Any thoughts pls?

[Asker]

HELLO

[btbc92]

These are not good men! Seriously? All of that is plain clear that they are no good. Especially with part 3. It's all an ACT to get into her pants. These are not good men. And you have some pretty crazy imagination about what a sweet good girl would do.

A good girl would ignore both of them, and NOT get involve with such men while she is already in a relationship with another. Period. Too much porn man, it's already twisting up your brain. Get out into the real world and see women for yourself. Because its not this.

[Asker]

Part 3 is a hypothetical scenario. Please READ the description properly.

Parts 1 and 2 are based on real life. Please answer each part as instructed and this is much easier lol.

Based on the description of the guys and the girl in part 1 and part 2, what do you make of their and her behavior to them? And as for being more than friends sexually and then friends afterward?

If you read the question, you'd see she is SINGLE now. But met them originally when she wasn't. Your thoughts?

[btbc92]

@Asker

My thoughts? She is no good and they are no good. Period. Both are using each other regardless if their friends, dating or single. And they all have problems. They don't need to be dating.

[Asker]

How are they using each other?

Can you answer like this:
Part 1 - blah blah because of xyz
Part 2 - this because of abc
Part 3 - etc

It makes it easier. You haven't really addressed any of my points I just asked you right now?

[Asker]

E. g. reading the description, some people are obviously more attractive and good than others hint hint read the description

[btbc92]

And I DID read the description properly. They are unfit to be dating.

[Asker]

But you can't have read it. You haven't answered as I asked IN THE DESCRIPTION!

Please re read WHAT I am asking you

[Asker]

Part 1: "Within the social circle (she met both when she had a boyfriend, and now she's single), how would a SWEET, GOOD girl act around..." (reading the description of each guy)

Part 2: "Explain?" her behaviour to each guy as is described below

Part 3 - hypothetical scenarios

[btbc92]

@Asker

It doesn't matter how attractive somebody is. Their character and personality say's a lot about who they are as people. But if you want me to get into detail then I will.

Guy 1: Being fit is a preference physically. But hypothetically speaking with adding part 3, obviously his end goal is sex if he even allows her to use him for it, and likewise him to her. So his sweet, confident and kind disposition would not matter at this point.

Guy 2: Again, physical attractiveness is subjective. He's being a typical douche as we call them. But just because he never slept with her. It doesn't mean other women won't.

Hence why I said all of them are no good.

[btbc92]

And the girl is going to act the way how she wants to act as long as she gets what she wants from him. Therefore she is NOT a good girl. A good girl would walk away from both, and get's her priorities in her relationships straight. And if she has to result to all of that, then it shows that she is an immature woman who doesn't need to be dating.

[Asker]

Finally we got there lol. Right so:

Guy 1: It's not just part 3. Like I said, focus on PART 1 AND 2. What do you think reading those parts ALONE?

Guy 2: Not interested in other women, only this woman. Pls answer part 1 and 2.

Girl: Why would the girl walk away from both wtf? I think you're answering another question. Pls slowly read what I wrote in the description. Forget part 3, as you are only focusing on that, that's a separate question. Guy 1 is not after sex alone. But he realises that he likes her a lot and wants to be friends till the end of life. But he finds her sexy.

[Asker]

Pls reanswer like this:

Part 1: "Within the social circle (she met both when she had a boyfriend, and now she's single), how would a SWEET, GOOD girl act around..." (reading the description of each guy)

Part 2: "Explain?" her behaviour to each guy as is described below

[btbc92]

I am not answering another question. I have said exactly what I just told you in the last comment. She is NOT a good girl. If she was a good girl she would walk away. A real woman would not engage in such mannerisms with any man that way. That is what I am telling you.

In regards to Parts 1 and 2.

I read the descriptions and my judgement still stands. Guy 1 still has a hidden motive. Any woman would be a sucker to believe by that description alone. I've read all of the descriptions. A good girl doesn't need to seduce men if that answers your questions. Same applies with Guy 2. It's whatever floats their boat so that she can get sex from him. Again, as I said before: a woman who is a seductress, slutty, promiscuous, etc is NOT a good woman. Because it sounds like to me based on her history she was not happy in her previous relationship and is toying around two men. She'll be what you call an attention whore.

[Asker]

Sorry but you're making assumptions and not really answering haha. I'm just interested in part 1 and 2.

Guy 1 doesn't have a hidden motive. He is a true friend and cares about her. There is a mutual affection between them or something there in the air. He's more a gentle person and was brought up that way. He is known like that amongst all the women at uni. I mean he doesn't openly hit on her whilst she is not single. He just wonders what to say to his friend now she is and she has moved back to his country?

Guy 2 yeah I mean I agree he's a bit of a douche tbh.

But I'm asking about guy 1 and the girl please. Part 2 you haven't answered about the posing. Part 1 also, I'm not sure you get what I'm asking.

[Asker]

I'd appreciate you just reading part 1 and 2 and actually answering what I asked in the DESCRIPTION - i. e. what do you make of her relationship with each, the posing and types of guys

Part 2 - about how guy 1 and her could be more and still be friends after. How he could voice attraction

[Asker]

ANYTHING?

[RJGraveyTrain]

This looks familiar. Lol.

Yeah no one is going to be able to answer this, it seems like you're looking for someone to write a short novella. You can't predict a person's actions based solely on her description of being "sweet" and "good."

[Asker]

Not what I'm asking. Read and answer in three parts. The descriptions describe the people.

[RJGraveyTrain]

I did, and my answer is: there is no correct, singular way to answer this question.

Have a good one chum.

[Asker]

No it's not correct lol. I'm the questioner. So no it's not.

Bit of a pointless answer and then you just say "have a good one chum" as if you have the moral high ground. Pretty pathetic. If you don't know the answer, don't behave arrogantly as if you are better than the rest of us here and then like a coward walk off.

No on thinks you are some good clever person. You were just rude and then like a typical bully walked off when called out on it.

All you have to do is read the question and answer as requested. Not doing so means you'd be WRONG. And having opined in the first place, makes you seem sadistic.

[RJGraveyTrain]

I don't have any moral high ground, but you are getting a little too upset. On a question and answers site, you have to be ready and willing to accept that not everyone is going to answer the way you please. That's why they're called OPINIONS. There is no "right or wrong" way of answering as long as it applies to the question.

Now, calm down.

[Asker]

Firstly you don't have the moral high ground, on that you are correct.

Secondly, no you're wrong there. On a question and answers sight, you only reply to someone if you can help. To do so otherwise is unhelpful, bullies the questioner and frankly is downright arrogant and sadistic. What pleasure do you gain from wasting the time of another person who is seeking advice?

Thirdly you contradicted yourself. Earlier you said you were correct. Now you say there is no right or wrong way which I find amusing.

Fourthly in the time you wasted arrogantly trying to talk down to me probably expecting me to take it as if I'm intimidated by bullies, you could have read and answered the question as others have attempted to do in order to help the questioner.

Otherwise quite frankly, fifthly, don't waste others' time and don't answer people's question with your "opinion" as you term it, if it doesn't address what they are asking!

So I say again, read and answer, or don't answer at all!

[RJGraveyTrain]

I never stated I was correct, I also agreed, I don't have any moral high ground. Lol. I'm just saying that this is a questions and answers site where people are allowed to share their opinions openly without any restriction unless it violates the guidelines that G@G sets out. There's no reason to lash out just because people aren't answering your questions exactly how you want them to. My answer is, and remains that there is too many variables to predict an imaginary person's behavior. That's just my opinion, you don't have to agree, and that's fine. There's no need to tell me I'm a pathetic bully just because I didn't give you what you wanted.

I'm not being arrogant, or sadistic (I don't even know how one is sadistic by having a difference of opinion, a touch dramatic if you ask me) but if you are so offended then I just say we agree to disagree. Lol.

[Asker]

Well you once again have spent more time writing some spiel attempting to justify your bullying, than simply reading and answering the question. You are wrong. Nobody wants people to waste their time and opine on their question if it has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THEY ARE ASKING.

That's not helpful, polite or indeed in the spirit of Gag. It's actually spamming them.

I'm not the one lashing out. I simply ask, once again that you read the question and answer as asked OR simply not waste my time and don't post on MY question at all!

It's not a difference of opinion, you haven't even read or answered it. So either answer it, or please accept that you don't know, SAY that and apologise and don't waste my time.

It's not that hard to read it. You're not even trying, which is frankly disappointing and sadist.

[RJGraveyTrain]

Lol. You must be a blast to have at parties.

I'm sorry my difference of opinion offended you so severely. Have a good one.

[Asker]

Again with the offensive messages instead of reading and answering the question. Making a blanket assumption about me at parties. For your information I am and I am a good person who doesn't bully others or act arrogantly as if I know more than others.

Why not instead of wasting your time insulting me based on nothing, actually read the description and help a gager out?

[RJGraveyTrain]

Seeing as your the one who keeps attacking people on this threat (calling them pathetic, sadistic, basically attacking their intelligence, etc) I think you're being a bit of a hypocrite, and frankly a poor sport.

I think this is exactly why this sweet good girl prefers the second guy. Lol.

[Asker]

Once again ad hominem instead of answering the question. I simply responded to you insulting me and trying to act like you know better. Quite arrogant frankly. That is the truth. The notion that I as the questioner am somehow wrong to seek help for my question is absurd.

You're not intimidating me at all. I am not scared of bullies like you. Now you're trying to label me the bad guy! If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.

Read the question and answer it properly or stop throwing arrogant and provocative jibes at me like your last line there.

[RJGraveyTrain]

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[RJGraveyTrain]

I also wasn't trying to intimidate you dude, relax. Lol.

[Asker]

I can't see what you just posted. But once again, unless it's relevant to helping me answer what I asked, it's still pointless. You've spent a good deal of time not answering my question. Ponder that tonight. You just wasted time in your life being rude to someone else and not being helpful.

Either answer it, or admit that you're being rude and unhelpful. And that you don't know because you aren't better than anyone else here.

[RJGraveyTrain]

Lol. Okie dokie.

[Asker]

And you did neither. Sigh. No apology, no saying you were wrong. No answering my question. What precisely did you gain from this or help my life in any way? That's why it's sadistic.

[RJGraveyTrain]

I got a memorable, ridiculous experience to share with my friends.

[Asker]

Of your weird arrogance? Please you and your bullying club, stop posting on here unless you are actually changing your ways and trying to help someone.

[Negrodamuss]

Date: Thursday November 24th
Time: 4:30 EST
Note: today, I witnessed the supernatural patience of RJ begin to buckle. Will continue following for further study

[RJGraveyTrain]

@Negrodamuss Honestly I found this entire thing hysterical.

[Negrodamuss]

I would've bailed after his second reply xD

[Asker]

@Negrodamuss Yeah as if she answered anything. She just posted some offensive nonsense. I see the great bullies of gag are rallying together trying to take the moral high ground and intimate me into submitting to their "alpha" selves! Oh my lol.

You are pathetic. STOP POSTING ON MY QUESTION UNLESS YOU ARE TRYING TO ANSWER AND BE HELPFUL.

[RJGraveyTrain]

@Negrodamuss Well in all honesty I was trying to make a point but it got lost somewhere in between me being a horrible sadistic bull and then I kind of just rode it out to see if he was being serious or trolling.

[Asker]

If you found it "hysterical", I suggest you see a medical expert immediately. You're insane. I've reported you for your bullying and new attempt to draft in a fellow bully to intimate me.

[Asker]

You didn't make any points, that's the whole point lol.

[Negrodamuss]

Lol dude, she didn't "draft" me xD I'm just a passerby. RJ, I swear by the 7 Gods of Azaroth , I will be present for the day that your patience finally snaps :p

[Asker]

@Negrodamuss So you're just a pointless spammer then. Gotcha. Well pls stop and go and do your thing with her elsewhere. Unless you can opine on this question. Though pls post separately.

[RJGraveyTrain]

@Negrodamuss Lmao this is why I like you my friend.

[Dim_121]

Guy 2 is not getting any.
Part 2 she is just not attracted to him. He is a friend online.
3 it is about the relationship and how she feels with him.
Only after she get hot under the collar would a woman even let a guy talk like that to her. Sexuality with woman is all mental. If she is not attracted to you then she is not going to let you get anywhere.
Part 4 give up on this girl and look for another one dude.

[Asker]

Yeah interesting points.

When you say Guy 1 and Guy 2 - I mean how do you view how she behaves to each of them in the description. She meets guy 1 more personally, smaller groups or alone in person and communicates by text. With guy 2, it's group socials at a hobby club and fb. The posing etc?

Clarify part 2 sorry?

Part 3
I get it. So how do you know if she is attracted to? So guy 1 could say those things right?
What about the backroom bj and things like that?
The sex and then still friends?

Part 4
Right so it's not like certain guys can say it and other not?

[Asker]

Well?

[Asker]

Eh? anything

[Asker]

WTF hello

[Anonymous]

There is no way to know how or why one particular person does or doesn't act a certain way... only way to know that is to ask that specific person! Every girl
I know could act that way with guys yet react differently to part 3. And honestly it'll come down to which she likes as to whether she accepts having stuff like that said to her or not!

[Asker]

Yes interesting point on part 3. But hypothesise, it's a psychology question based on actual people. It'd be good to hear your ideas on it. Take your time, it's very readable and the description kinda describes the girl and the guys?

[Asker]

If you answer as 3 separate parts it makes more sense by the way

[Asker]

Ok then, or not. Didn't really read the question.

[Asker]

Spam

[levantine99]

noone can answer these questions but her. and even her wouldn't be able to give honest and absolute answers cause sh'd might do or not do these things depending on the moment and circumstances. also your questions are a bit creepy and weird.

[Asker]

They are genuinely seeking advice on flirtation and the dynamics of meeting a girl who later becomes single who you like. Please, I do believe you do know something and could help. I'd appreciate any thoughts. Answering the parts individually helps. I am more than happy to clarify personality questions or information you wish to help you answer if requested. Your thoughts would be appreciated and it is interesting to work this out. The basic description above is self explanatory and does include the basic details required.

[levantine99]

people are not robots for me to provide you with the algorithmss and equations to operate them. there are things beyond analytical logic. you are limited by the standards and paradigm you place yourself into.

[Asker]

Again you're not reading it I see. You're just wasting time telling me obvious things. "People are not robots". Wow what ground breaking information!

The only one limiting themselves is yourself by not reading the information and attempting to provide analysis/answering the question. Stop doing an ad hominem and actually answer the question as asked.

[levantine99]

its like you try to force answers. the ones you want to listen. i already said much. good bye.

[Asker]

You haven't answered at all haha. You haven't intimidated me or answered my question in any way whatsoever. Just pretended to know stuff and thought you could get away with it.

Read the question and answer or don't post at all! How is that hard to understand? You're just bullying the questioner. If you don't know, then say it. Don't pretend like you're somehow better and have the moral high ground. This site is about helping others, not trying to make them feel bad.

I still think you might be able to help, but for some reason prefer wasting time parroting the same generic obvious internet answers from google than actually providing a helpful analytical opinion.

[Asker]

Clearly others have answered the question so I would appreciate if you would do the same

[levantine99]

you are beyond help. i gave you very helpful answers which you can't process and benefit from. and thats not my defect but yours. the "game" you lack is subtle and is more like on the "natural" and instinctual level. by being in your head and being a "surgeon" about it, you won't get anywhere.

[Asker]

How precisely were your answers "very helpful" as you put it? Please explain that? They don't relate to my question or the people involved in any way. Everyone already knows what you wrote to be true.

Sigh, once again, stop wasting time posting various cliches and obvious statements. Actually READ THE QUESTION AND DESCRIPTION (emphasis mine for your benefit) TO ANSWER ABOUT THESE PEOPLE.

[levantine99]

the words you say to her for 95% dont even mean anything. 99% is non verbal communication. and its all your intent, and status and the attraction you've previously built. you obviously think like these pua guys that think certain phrases or tricks will give them results while ots all based on presence charisma and longterm game.

[Asker]

Not answering the question. Have you actually READ the description?

I never mentioned pua's, I despise them. My question has nothing to do with them.

Read the description about the sweet girl, guy 1, guy 2 and how a friend can associate with this female friend.

Your latest response suggests you are answering a completely different question to mine!

[Asker]

Once again, generic obvious stuff. Read and answer my specific question. READ THE DESCRIPTION. It's so self explanatory that it makes the fact you've spent so long not answering it look ridiculous.

The first line alone hasn't been answered by any of your postings.

Please read and opine, then you might actually help. Answer as suggested for clarity and ease

[levantine99]

dude i dont actually want to offend you, but if you dont understand your subquestions up there are creepy and weird then noone can help you. why suck you in the toilet? who said she is a girl that does these things? cockshot in her face? watching too much porn boy? who she;d be friends later in life? too many variables involved to ever be calculated by a human being. what kind of nonsense are these?

[Asker]

Still not answering the question. Stop trying to nitpick words in the question. Just read it and answer as requested and guided to in the description. Nothing you have said ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

READ.

[levantine99]

i dont want to answer you can't force me. just a quick hint. wouldn't you allow different women to get away with more things? why would women be any different... ? good night.

[Asker]

Then why did you post an opinion on here which doesn't attempt to answer the question or help the questioner? Bit of a waste of my time.

As for your latter point, doesn't make any sense. Either read the question and description with the accompanied instructions and answer or don't waste my time.

[Asker]

PLEASE STOP SPAMMING.

[Skadouchebag]

Women don't act in a single unifying way, since *people* don't act in a single unifying way.

[Asker]

That's not the question. Please read the description and opine.

[Asker]

Well

[Skadouchebag]

I read the description, I just wasn't sure exactly what you were asking. It looked like you were asking how a girl with certain characteristics would behave twoards certain kinds of guys.

[Asker]

Nope. I asked about this girl. It's self explanatory. Just read the first line and answer based on the attributes. That's part 1.

Part 2 and part 3 are obvious in what they ask.

[Skadouchebag]

hm... are you asking *why* a certain girl behaved these ways? If so I couldn't help you there; I'd have to personally know her.

[Asker]

She is described along with them above. It's relatively simple as others except for the rj person have answered?

[Skadouchebag]

no person is so simple as to able to be completely summed up in three short sentences. there are *many* more facets to one's personality, as well as their collective experiences, goals in life, general beliefs, etc.

[Asker]

Look instead of wasting time on semantics, by reading the description which is based on a true story you can still ascertain certain things and come to some conclusions or analyse it. Do that by reading it or just say you don't know

[Skadouchebag]

Well I can tell you that saying "Suck my c**k you slut!" is rarely a good idea with *any* woman, and that on average, men who openly objectify women should expect to get much fewer dates than men who don't. Also, someone who's a prick, regardless of their sex, generally doesn't have as many friends let alone dates. I mean, would *you* want to date a *woman* who did stuff like that?

[Asker]

I completely concur on if it were me, I wouldn't. But then some girls seems to pose more slutty with guys like that and innocent with guys who are more good/attractive/sweet too?

As for the language in bed, girls chase seems to suggest otherwise?

[Skadouchebag]

Well I can't answer you there; that makes zero sense to me.

[Asker]

I agree, that's why I'm asking haha!! It makes zero sense to me too!

I mean girls chase suggests it does, and I dunno tbh.

As for the posing, I don't get it either. Nor the fact she acts innocent and responds with long long excited texts, but then plays games with the good guys?

[Asker]

Any thoughts

[Skadouchebag]

Well if that's what you were asking, then why didn't you simply say "Why might this girl choose the sexist jerkwad over the attractive non-sexist non-jerkwad?"

[Asker]

But that's not what I'm asking. I simply agreed on that external point lol.

What I'm asking is clearly stated above haha:

1) Explain or suggest how she behaves to each of the two guys above
2) Explain the posing - what it means
3) Suggest how guy 1 could make a move or hint at his attraction if she is now single and moved back to his country, a catchup invitation has come his way?
4) Is meeting her alone necessary for that

[Skadouchebag]

maybe it would've been easier to understand if you'd divided this up into several different questions? or at least written it in paragraph format?

[Asker]

FIne, but based on my previous response to you, I have listed 4 points, pls answer in paragraphs or NUMBERED POINTS.

It's very simple to do it that way.

[Skadouchebag]

It actually look like it's be easier on you if I just left.

[Asker]

Ok, look if you don't know that's fine, but I mean "Decentguy" and kelly on here kinda answered it how I asked.

I thought your opinion on the other question showed you were pretty knowledgable. So I'd appreciate any thoughts in the way I just asked you, 4 numbered paragraphs lol?

[Skadouchebag]

well I have heard that the "cuckold" fetish arises out of emotional masochism, so if that's a thing, then maybe she has it?

[Asker]

I dunno how that relates lol. Either way pls answer in 4 bullet points

[Skadouchebag]

I'm saying that she went for the dickwad because she might be an emotional masochist. a masochist is someone who gets off on feeling pain.

[Asker]

Not answering it lol. My 4 bullet points I just posted to you.

You need to answer the question. Your latest response doesn't make any sense as no one has gone for any wads.

[Stevan7]

Dude this is not fucking math and its not all black and white. Just deal with it.

[Asker]

Ok, that's a new one! You managed to not answer the question in any way whatsoever, probably not having read it, and swear at the same time! Read it and reply properly or stop being some arrogant sadist who thinks they can intimidate others.

[Asker]

Lol. SPAM. Reported.

[matt1209]

Well it depends on which type of guy she's into and what type of girl she is.

[Asker]

I see, explain? So can you answer the three parts, if you read it, it'll tell you

[Asker]

Ok, so read and explain

[Anonymous]

Some girl's just go for guys like guy 2 because these guys seem more confident. Unfortunately it takes a while to find out that they are no good.

[Asker]

But are they more confident lol. Read the description and answer the three parts pls. Both guys are confident, in fact guy 1 is confident, he's more like a bond.

[Asker]

Read and then opine

[Asker]

Didn't read the question

[Asker]

DIDN'T READ. DOWNVOTED FOR SPAMMING

[Autumn-Bunny]

Omg blue anon this is so long!!!

[Asker]

I know, but you seem like the type of savvy and intelligent girl to answer this :-)

I mean the details are there for clarity to avoid any generic answers, since I'm asking about this girl and these guys.

Pls ask if you need any clarity or info?

[Autumn-Bunny]

Well tbh I act the same with hot and average guys.

[Asker]

Not really what I'm asking lol. You need to just read part 1 to understand the two guys. They are not black and white, hot and average. They are based on real people and kept anonymous as is the sweet girl?

[Autumn-Bunny]

Dead... so furcking long.

[Asker]

Part 1 is not long? Just read the bullet points under Guy 1 and Guy 2.

[Asker]

Ok basically I am asking how can GUY 1 become more with the girl. Just read the attributes and that helps you understand/advise.

[Asker]

Anything?