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i believe a guy should support what's his. hoewever it should be fair. in many cases the child support puts many guys especially in the age braket you have here(18-24) where their entire salaries are being taken leaving them with nothing to pay their own bills with. unless they are living with said girl. many of these guys because they pay child support can't even get foodstamps and if they are able the amount is so low it makes it not even worth going to apply for it. and in many cases they can't get any other fianacial assistance because of said child support once agencies find out the guys checks are being taken by garnishing to pay child support. it doesn't stop there does the guy get a break at the end of the yerat income tax time "no " all that also goes to child support.
again if its fair and equatable to both parties I believe a guy should also a test should also be given to verify if child is the guys as well.
some of my friends I know have all their check taken only waty they survive at all areide jobs that pay cash only under the table
You know the real problem is that men, unlike women, don't know if the baby is there's for sure, but they always know they have to pay for it even if it isn't there if the girl just up and says he's the dad, and goes to court for money from him. he may never even see the child...but he has to pay for a child that 99 percent of the time they DONT dna test for verification. I believe if a man should have to be obligated by law to making payments for a child that is supposedly his for the next 20 YEARS...then there should be undeniable proof that the child is his. If they can pass a law requiring a man to pay child support then they should amend that law that every man get a free paternity test BEFORE being held financially liable to ANY claim for child support. This is the voice of a man who likes the idea of EQUAL treatment...women know the child is theres...a man disserves the same knowledge...not the assumption that he can trust the females word, but fact...dna fact.
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cause child support is a shady system and a lot of women abuse it completely. Why do you think there's so much paternity fraud going on? Girls can have a guys paycheck seized with absolutely no proof that he's the father .. just claiming it is enough! (which is against the constitution btw).
ever watch the MAURY TV program its full of paternity issues. one gal on there had to have more than 10 guys come on before she found the right father of her child.
I am a woman and I agree that paternity tests should be required before a man has to pay child support. Marriage or not, long term relationship or not. I would not be offended or hurt if my fiance asked for a dna test when our kid was born. I know I didn't f*ck around, and so does he, but it is just smart for any man to ask for dna test.
Women that have to pay child support do complain. My ex complained, took disability, even got herself fired to avoid paying child support.Once threatened to sign off her parental rights. she paid $150 once and 300 another time..saying she couldn't afford to pay me and her own bills. After being split for about 8 or 9 months I finally had to take her to court, Judge decided on $410 and health insurance. She should have settled for the $300 I asked for.
She has a BF, they filed bankruptcy and are now paying around $40k for a house and 2 cars (think she told me $450 something a month). Meanwhile I get stuck with a mortgage, all credit cards, med bills and Vacation property.
I think women hear men complain more because it is uncommon for the female to be paying. There are some dead beat Moms out there too.
She could sign off her parental rights all she wants to, it won't absolve her of child support payments. Many deadbeats think giving away their parental rights will mean they don't have to pay cs but boy is it a wake up call when they get to court. Personally, I would have taken her up on her offer. She would still have to pay but have NO say in anything regarding the child's life, including her visitation rights. You have all the decision power.
My mother only made me and my sister for child support, and she never used the money for any of us , instead she used the money for her own shopping for shoes. None of the money actually goes to the kids ... one time it was winter and I asked for a winter coat because I did not have one, my mother just ignored me until I asked again and then she said "go ask your father for money" - :'( --- my father was the one that really cared for us, he tried to fight in court but my mother started telling lies about him so the court ignored him, welcome to justice in Canada (there is no justice). My father was always a good person and he never diserved anything like this to happen to him... I ran away from home when I was 14... and I ran to my father to live with him and help him with financial trouble. happy ending ... I hope your child runs away from you too :)
In the UK the child support system is a joke. Having worked in the Child Support Agency the only part of the Child support that the parent with the child gets is the first £20, the rest is sucked back into the government by reducing other benefits that the parent gets. After I found out that all I had become was a legalised thief for the government I quit.
Retorical question: Why is it that most of the people who work in the child support system just say that they work for the civil service?
Answer: Because they are ashamed at where they work and because 90% of the general public who have children have a very poor opinion about child support services in the UK
The Child support system is female oriented, it's based on the theory that males work and females stay at home and look after children. But if you are a guy and you are looking after children then the child support system looks the other way and pretends that you do not exist
No your right and men should step up and pay for their own mistakes, I don't understand how a bloke could deliberately watch his son/daughter go without or struggle that little bit more because he can't be arsed to pay for what was made during one night of selfishness, why should the child suffer, when the child had no say in the matter of being brought into this world, so if any man can sit there and watch his child go hungry or go to school without proper shoes or have her hair done nice or anything else the child may need in its years towards adulthood, then personally, I hope that man suffers later on in life, because people would give their right arm to be able to have that honour, but the woman must apolagise for ever allowing such a man to get close enough to her to get her pregnant, because it does take two, but both parents should pay I agree.
I was a single father for many years, and I have to say A. Commonly women don't pay child support, because they are the ones who get the kid---B. Even if there is a 50-50 split in care for the child, or the kid spends more time with the father STILL he usually pays child support to the ex. C. I have full custody and my ex-wife pays me child support and that cheatingbitch was SO angry about the child support that she never spoke to him or I again---its been over 5 years since she saw or talked to her own son, but she did always complain about the support...heard about it from her parents. "Oh I can't afford that, its so hard for me to pay" yeah well it was hard for me to pay for EVERYTHING, RAISE MY BABY SON ALONE, AND IT WAS HARD TO BALANCE HAVING A JOB, GOING TO COLLEGE, AND RAISING MY CHILD WITH NO HELP. So f to the her...
So sorry you had to deal with that. The court system isn't fair and it is amazing these days that women these days want equality but most can't handle it when it means being equally fair to men. Kudos to you for raising your son.
Yeah this is usually the sort of thing you hear from women NOT men. Good on you.
Well women have the choice of keeping the child, giving it up for adoption, or aborting it. Men are not given that choice. So women who really don't want the child won't keep it. As for women not complaining about child support.
Census figures show only 57 percent of moms required to pay child support -- 385,000 women out of a total of 674,000 -- give up some or all of the money they owe. That leaves some 289,000 "deadbeat" mothers out there, a fact that has barely been reported in the media.
That compares with 68 percent of dads who pay up, according to the figures.
This is from foxnews.com
lets take a step back here...stop generlizing us men by calling us retarded and assuming every guy is the same...its like saying every girl is a bitch...so lets rephrase your next question and not generlize a gender here, ok?...k, good...
to answer your question, I have no idea why men wont, maybe they're broke? they're obviously immature to not understand that he came in you w/o thinking of possibly consequences...they're dead - well yeah that one would be obvious ...they're just straight up scum bags and don't care about anyone but themselves...
those are really the only things I could think of...i do agree with you and think every man should support his child, regardless if he wants to be a parent or not...
but again, please don't generalize, it just makes you look childish
because if you were a one night stand he would have never have had to pay for sh*t.
by being a reliable human being, he also becomes responsible for accidents that really you could have gotten an abortion for..
when there is no societal structure, women are responsible for their children.
and womens right are recent
but most of ALL, he probably has to hate you deep down if he can't even be with you even though you bore his children. so why would he want to give you money, even if it all indirectly goes to pay for his children
yea its going to pay the kids not you, but when you're handing the check over guys think short term and hate the feeling
just sayin da truth
I would have no problem paying support, I would even try and pay more if I could only because I love the kid & I knew it was being used for the kid. I think if he's paying, he has a right to know his money is going toward his kid & not some greedy "RETARD" bitch who won't even let him see his kid. She should have to provide proof, as in receipts. And yes, I have seen it where the guy's upping half his cheque to some fat "RETARD" who eats at restaurants or orders out every night whle collecting welfare every month. You didn't mention those, "RETARD".
I'm divorced and I got screwed because the system is hugely biased toward women.
So, I'm getting my child half the time, but still have to pay for ALL the child support. With school expenses etc... I'm ending up paying $2,000 a month while the mother pays NOTHING.
I'm happy to pay for my kid, and I will do whatever it takes to give my child the best life possible. But, don't come here and tell me the women have it hard during a divorce with children involved. They get the sweetest of deals from my experience while many men get raped.
Courts disgust me because they reward lazy people at the expense of the hard workers.
About all divorced men think they're screwed. It's boring.
Are you divorced?
I am divorced he's damn right.
I do. In fact I made my ex a generous offer and she rejected it. When it went to the Child Support Agency (UK) they judged I should pay way less than my offer. So I pay what they told me and buy my boy EVERYTHING he needs and mostly what he doesn't too :-) not all men are the same...
Have you seen how expensive child support is? Most men can't even afford it, and most of the "child support" doesn't even go to the actual child.
My sister is getting over $600 a month from child support and she is still barely able to pay rent even with a new boyfriend, how do you think the real father is able to pay his bills when he's giving half of his money away?
If only the mother wanted to keep the baby and only the mother is in the babies lives then she should be the only one supporting them.
Nope. If a man does not want to be financially responsible for a child, then he needs to a) not have sex b) wear a condom EVERY TIME, even if the woman claims she's on the pill (women do LIE about this and also the pill and other forms of BC do fail at alarming rates) c) Get a vasectomy. It is cheap and can be reversed if he decides he wants kids at a later time. Sex has responsibilities and no one should be able to just have sex willy nilly without accepting their part in any consequences that occur.
OK let's run with this idea. The baby is half of a man's.
Women should pay men restitution when they get an abortion, by this same logic. After all, that's half his kid. Destruction of property and what not. In fact, women shouldn't even be allowed to have an abortion without the male's consent because it is half the man;s. Women should be medically subjected to paternity tests so that men can determine whether ho's that sleep around are trying to run off with HIS kid.
Also rape victims should be able to be sued for paternity rights by their alleged rapist, and false rape claims should be punished by imprisonment.
did you just say rape victims should be sued?! are you f***ing joking?!?!?! Because being raped isn't horrific enough...
I fail to see what DNA has to do with anything. By that logic each of my parents has contributed 25% to the DNA of any child I father, so they should pay, right? And if I had an identical twin, surely he would have to pay as much as I, as his DNA is in there as much as mine (indeed it would probably be impossible to prove which one of us is the true father).
men that get have to pay for the kid,s and bitch about it are ass hole,s and if you are going to play you are going to have to pay for it and don,t cry a bout it if you hit it you have pay and stop whine about it and be a man and step up to the plate and do the right thing for you,r kid,s
most dudes who bitch and moan are just assholes and dead beats who don't wanna do sh*t if its not for them. but then again there is a percentage of girls who do some shady sh*t to make themselves pregnant just to keep the guy. they will poke holes with a needle in condoms. you even hear about rock stars and rappers who say that groupies will try and use a turkey baster and a used condom to get themselves pregnant. and of course they guy has to pay the child support regardless.
Guys complain cause they repeatly ask for a abortion, and they even offer to pay for it and the woman agree to it, Most women keep the baby because they still like the guy and his money for child support, cause really if you don't like the guy, why give birth to the baby and deal with an ex for 18 to 23 years, that makes no since,
it really has nothing to do with the guy, for women it has more do to with getting an abortion to where she feels she is killing her child. why do guys think everything a girl does is about them?
women just use that as a excuses to not get a abortion, The child in her stomach is not even a live. Just be honest with it, women who keep the unborn child because they want money and to have thier ex in their life to get attention
false. you really need to stop acting like you understand women, because you clearly don't.
lol I do understand women and how they think. how can you have feelings for something that is not even developed yet in her stomach like seriously, its just another reason to keep the ex and his money around
9 times out of ten the guy doesn't even have money. seriously its not about the guy.
you just aswered the question your self, if it ain't about the money they obviously the girl wants the ex to stay in her life cause she still likes him and she wants to mess up his life
not really, at most she'll want him to be part of the kids life, but probably not hers.
But her wanting him to be in the kids lifes, that's is another way of seeing him, if he offers to pay for the abortion then she should take it
get over yourself. all the girls I know can't stand their baby's father. they usually have new bf's.
yea that new boyfriend is a rebound, am just being honest
lol...believe what you want. the only thing the girl wants from you is the check. usually the new boyfriend is 10x better
yea you just answer my first question, women have the baby because they just want a check in their pocket
u just incriminated yourself QA...
Here's my issue: A crackhead woman has a child, the father steps forward and attempts to take the child, now the crackhead woman obviously lacks a job, the father has a good paying $25 generic, however the court STILL votes in favor of the mother to get custody. The father has to pay child support, loses custody, and what's worse the court KNOWS she's been a drug addict, father's clean, and this happens ALL the time in Chicago.
ok
"Okay". Yes, a clear criminal injustice is "okay". I do like the statistics on how much child support doesn't actually go towards childcare.
go find them
Seeing as they are public and popular due to the nature of the topic you came up in here "guns ablaze" I'd expect you to at least have the decency to do your own homework. Odds are you don't know sh*t about the issue at all; I bet you don't even know what ADAM is without actually looking it up or when and why it was created and by who.
i asked why do guys bitch! that's it
Had you half the brain required to actually learn about the problems within the issue and it's legal, social, emotional, and psychological implications you might know without having to be told what is general knowledge.
stop being a bitch. their lots of guys would just don' want to man up. just like a guy to not take responsibility.
That would make sense if it was permissible in even high school level debates. If you're going to introduce a topic you're expected to know the basics of the topic; you're the type to say "Calculus is useless!" and not know what Calculus even is...
And I won't even be sexist! It's really a localized idiocy.
smh,people
The irony.
false
o rly?