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Kanye talentless? Your opinion is invalid. Is he a dick, yes, but to say he's talentless is asinine 😂
Anyways Johnny depp- plays the same character every time. He's not that great Seth rogan- kinda a douche and only talks about weed, although his new movie looks funny as hell Tom Brady and/or belichick- cheaters and dickheads
His first few albums. Particularly the college series Jesus walks Stronger That Otis Redding song Power Gold diggers Mercy Niggas in Paris Homecoming Heartless
There was a point in time literally all of his songs were too 20 hits... For good reason. Then again you're 17 and most probably of the basic white girl demographic that only has heard of him through the kardashians, which is your only exposure to him... He is literally one of the best rappers of all time
actually i can prove mathematically that is just not true poly-graph. co/vocabulary. html and keep in mind thats based on specifically his first few albums, the ones you said were so great. it is in no way an assessment of his skill level now which is so so so much worse.
All of Wests songs are written by numerous other writers, not himself. Look up any song and find the writers for it, and he uses extreme amounts of auto-tune to sound almost okay. Then the fact that he uses his rude ignorance to get him a place in the spotlight, rather than actual talent.
@TesticleMonster that list has nothing to do with anything but how many words they used 😂. That literally proved nothing 😑. Snoop was like 65th... So he's below average? DMX was straight up last
yeesh. why even discuss anything with anyone nowadays... they're just going to believe whatever the fuck they want anyway. ain't no information you can give a person that'll change that.
No. However, most musicians and artists don't write all their own songs. That's how it works. Many write for others. But Kanye has written his own songs
@TesticleMonster 😂😂😂😂 lol! And yet you have still haven't listed a single thing to disprove my claim. He's not my favorite person, but his personality has nothing to do with how great of a musician he is. Neither does the amount of words. Tom Brady is a dickhead, but he's still objectively one of the best qbs to ever play the game of football. Russell Crowe is one of the biggest douche bags in acting, but he's still one of the best actors today. Please give me at least 1 thing beyond an ad homenim and pulling up irrelevant information.
okay then. so what, according to your deluded, demoralized mind WOULD disprove your claim. give me a criteria by which good music is measured. tell me how you would like me to argue with you.
@TesticleMonster give me criteria beyond word count
1- melody. How fluid and catchy the songs are from a musical standpoint- see power and niggas in paris
2- lyrics. How good the person is in matching the words to the type of song- best example is jesus walks. And gold digger + Stronger due to the fact he rapped to daft punk
3- creativity. Both from a lyrical standpoint and a melody standpoint. Not his strongest, but heartless might be one of his best. For the latter, power
4- originality. How different and original his content is. Virtually all his songs. Again, niggas in Paris, runaway and mercy. 3 significantly different genres of music
5- flow. Similar to 2, but how smooth his rap game is. He has a ton in the arsenal. Busta rhyme's is pure speed. little Wayne uses supa dupa flow. Kanye isn't tech n9ne, but he has can switch up
And given the fact that I was in all state chorus for 5 of the 6 years I did chorus and sang, I think I have a decent ear for music and music quality
1. Given that his melody, specifically for the example that you stated, RUINED saints row and made that entire level unplayable, i'm going to have to give that a no. and of course all the people who liked the "fixed" version of the assassins creed trailer would agree with me. It does nothing to set the mood for anything, except for maybe donald trumps campaign speeches. It is the theme song of an infantile narcissist. bit. ly/2b5wi94 2. Besides the fact that i already proved mathematically that his lyrics are highly inferior in terms of literacy, which you have ignorantly disregarded (despite the fact that wu tang, highly regarded as the greatest rap group of all time beat shakespeare in this capacity) AND the fact that MissMC already showed that he's not even responsible for writing his own lyrics, something he and donald trump actually have in common. bit. ly/2aZGVby But lets take a serious look at those lyrics, shall we?
"Now if I f**k this model And she just bleached her asshole And I get bleach on my T-shirt I’mma feel like an asshole" in 4 lines, he just boasted about fucking a model, stated how inconvenienced he felt by it. rhymed "asshole" with "asshole", and didn't have the decency to even rhyme anything else. this is not a musical lyric. he's just listing off vain dickish things he thinks about himself to music.
"Whip that, bitch out Tits out, oh s**t My dick out, can she suck it right now? F**k, can she f**k right now? I done asked twice now Can you bring your price down?" thats not even music. thats like a terrible wannabe frat boy bragging about sex he never had. but not only does he admit to needing to pay for sex, he's whining about how it should be cheaper. he's like, the most terrible customer at any brother. and he brags about it like its a compliment to himself.
"Cause you was in college complainin’ about it’s no jobs But you were suckin’ a nigga’s dick the whole time Well I guess a blowjob’s better than no job" AGAIN, he rhymes "job" with job, but WOW, such range! this time he also rhymes it with "blowjob!" WOW SUCH A TALENTED LYRICIST. Oh look. He's still bragging about sex. what else is new? Any other topics, maybe, besides sex and his ego? No? whatever then. Onto step 3.
Oh wait, step 3 is creativity? We already covered that. Or lack thereof. Onto step 4. Once again HE DOES NOT MAKE HIS OWN INSTRUMENTALS. You mentioned daft punk. He literally just looped a single bar from harder better faster stronger over and over for an entire song and totally butchered the track. there's no composition, there's no progression, i'm pretty sure he doesn't even understand what a key or a scale is.
and even if he doesn't, he has an entire team for that. i don't think you understand that in order to keep his carefully crafted terrible image, he has an entire team for that. to polish a turd, filter it through 8 billion preassigned filters, mix and master it, try to drown it out with overproduced instrumentals, which i think you will find, do NOT have range, but in fact, are a formulaic lowest common denominator of EVERYTHING that hit the pop charts last month boiled down to a categorical imperative of overproduced, substanceless crap. if dubstep was hot the last month, he raps on dubstep. if trap was hot the last month, he raps on trap. he's a pandering expert, he has no style or substance of his own, he just desperately chases what he thinks the public wants to see.
In terms of flow, you've made my argument for me. Tech n9ne isn't the smartest dude but he's got flow. Busta has flow. little wayne, on the other hand, sounds like if a vocoder could gargle semen. But even he is better.
@TesticleMonster so you reference saints row and list lyrics in which he raps about his dick and fucking bitches... So literally every top rapper... Fuck, virtually most songs if eanu genre... Ok. Word count has nothing to do with anything. I already asked about snoop dogg and dmx and you disregarded that point... But that's none of my business 😒🐸☕️. As for that job and job rhyming reference, he rhymed no and blow, dipsit... Can you really not read? And as for 3, I specifically mentioned both lyrical and melodic creativity. I provided examples for both. Dude, get the fuck outta here with that weak shit. If you don't like him because he's a tool, say so, but if you wanna talk music and have an objective conversation, I'll wait.
no not every top rapper. in fact i'd say that the amount of braggadocio in a rappers lyrics is almost always proportional to their lack of talent. clearly overcompensating for something. tech n9ne writes about pineapple juice and getting blitzed off of his ass. even flow rida writes about jeans and boots with the fur--he's not writing to bolster his ego, he's just talking about a chick he saw at the club. which isn't all that enlightened to begin with, but at least its better than being a tactless braggart.
you did not provide any examples. you just named stupid songs, might i add, that i and everyone else with sense hates. and naming one time he rhymed 4 letter words does not make up for the countless times he's completely butchered the English language. I played it by your stupid fucking rules, man, i could show you a signed testimony from god himself, that he created kanye without an ounce of talent in his body, cast down blood from the heavens and you still wouldn't listen.
You have no class, no sense, no logical sense of evaluating any kind of information, your very process by which you think has become so corrupted that you will never again own a thought that makes sense, because of your absolute refusal to consider any information that does not fit within the realm of your psychotic delusions. I would rather converse with a sentient pile of feces than i would with you, because it might actually have some self awareness of to what its comprised of. And that would be way more interesting than you anyways because god only knows what a sentient pile of feces would have to say of its existence. It would be a miracle of modern science, and you, you're still just worthless.
@TesticleMonster sounds like a dude who has never listened to a biggie song... I do like how a dude who referenced Shakespeare to rappers like 5 times talks about butchering the English language... He literally made up over 1700 words out of thin air... Also, what the fuck are you talking about? 😂 and please, I'd love to see that signed testimony. I'll wait 🙄. Either put up or shut up
And you still have yet to address my snoop and dmx comment... Or did you forget? 🤔. And I couldn't read the last comment cause you are so full of shit. Hey pot. Meet kettle. Why don't you reread what you wrote and take some of that advice... Starting with the 1st sentence...
Yeah, and? It's an opinion question and response. 2 of them came from you and the dickhead that keeps responding. Also people on this site tend to like and hate the same things. Hate all things mainstream and tend to be "outsiders". I only know a couple of people on here that can even tell you the difference between football and basketball. Also, the very nature of this question is compromised with bias based on your opinion so you'll attract people who will agree with you. And I don't particularly care, but considering you and the other dude are viamently responding to my post to disprove it, I'm guessing either of you care or y'all wouldn't keep responding 🤔
"most musicians and writers don't write their own songs."
Umm, 99% of the bands I listen to write their own songs and play their own instruments. I literally can give you hundreds of examples of artists from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and early 2000's. The fact that modern pop music artists, including mainstream hip hop, don't write their own songs and are talentless doesn't take away that other musicians (some not even charting on billboard 200) have actual talent, and craft on their instruments.
@legs_n_sheets A second all of that. People today don't even realize that there is such a thing as a real musician who composes their own work. Now the billboard is just full of songs all written by Max Martin and Shellback.
This guy has no idea what he's talking about, he only has knowledge of millennial bullshit.
@legs_n_sheets Most of the people I listen to write their own songs as well. My favorite is kygo right now. I don't listen to 98% of shit on the radio. But the people still cranking out top songs are still talented (minus fetty wap... But that's a different story). Whether a person likes something/someone or not is not an indication of someone's talent. I think Drake is the biggest faggot on earth, but he can spit (when he tries... I've seen him mail it in). I don't think anyone likes j beibs, but I'll give him props cause he does have good music out there. I loved maroon 5 back in the day. Then they sold out more than anyone I've ever seen in my opinion. Their new stuff is shit to me, but they didn't lose their talent. I don't know your thing, but for something more practical, take 60s-80s rock. I frankly think most of them were overrated. People act like they were the gods of music. But I can't deny that they were actually good and created some awesome music. Can people not understand this?
I said I don't like them, dipshit, but I can recognize the difference between personal preference and talent. Just because I don't like them has nothing to do with talent, which is my point. Do you just not read? I did not give any specific examples of their songs. You just decided to give out random lyrics and put words on my screen. Good thing you're still in high school cause you need it
I wasn't trying to criticize your taste in music, but damn. Have you ever listened to The Doors? Led Zeppelin? Any classic rock band you know about? Ok, some grunge? Alice In Chains, Screaming Trees, Mad Season, Soundgarden? Ok, how about experimental music. Ever listened to Radiohead? Are you into metal? Death (the band)? Or some progressive rock/metal such as Tool, or Opeth? How about some folk, or even Jazz? Do you know who Herbie Hancock is even? I'm not claiming I'm a master of musical knowledge but if you haven't ventured to other genres outside of hip hop and pop music then you haven't discovered what actual talent really is.
Your TASTE in music is laughable, your opinions on music are laughable, and your arguments against good music is laughable.
Maybe try listening to anything other than the hot 100 for once and maybe you'll learn something, because you obviously didn't learn shit from high school yourself.
@legs_n_sheets I was running out of characters and hare going over 1 post for like a sentence. I think they're good, buy people always treat zepplin, the Beatles, queen, Aerosmith, the doors, etc like gods. It's probably more not my taste in music (country, rap (80s-mid 2000s), house (mainly tropical) and trap are my favorites) than the fact that they're overrated, but people treat them as if their music is perfection. It's good, but they aren't God's musical gift to man. And yes, i listen to many genres of music. Metal is probably lowest on the totem pole for me. Again, not my cup of tea, but just because I don't necessarily like it doesn't mean I have to or should discredit their musical talents. Music comes in many forms. But people apparently can't fathom looking things objectively. Like I said, I hate drake and Beiber, but they can come up with good music. I don't like their songs, but I can pick elements in which I think shows they they are worth their fame (to some extent)
What's it like failing 1st grade English? I already said multiple times I don't listen or like most of the people and songs on the radio. But that doesn't mean I don't think they're talented. Or are you literally too stupid to understand anything?
@legs_n_sheets i actually know the guy who writes songs for some of these mainstream guys (he's actually tight with wu tang, and he's got some funny stories about the time kanye basically pissed himself in their presence) and i also know the guy who makes instrumentals for rihanna. he's got like 40 followers on soundcloud but can shred like no other. this is him shredding right here. bit. ly/2aSNbal so yeah. popularity isn't a measure of talent. most people figure that out in middle school.
side note man with the kind of stuff you listen to have you heard of eric johnson? bang camaro? (one of their guitarists is actually in the band with the guy i mentioned) i'm sure you know satriani. i've been digging for some good stuff... rhinocerose, if these trees could talk, ratatat, elektrisk gonner, akshin alizadeh, bar-kays, cee-roo, NoMBe. Nowadays you gotta kinda get international to find the good stuff.
@legs_n_sheets don't bother with this phillistines gish galloping. he's a lost cause. actin like the greats ain't gods gift to music when he'll literally take it up the ass to prove kanye is the GOAT. And i love that acronym because i get to pretend its not an acronym and make goatfucker jokes.
That's your opinion. That's different from talent. Jesus christ. People on this site are way too stupid.
Lol @testiclemonster way to live up to your name 😂 You and asker might be the dumbest people I have come across on this site... And that's saying something
"Metal is probably the lowest on the totem pole for me"
If you haven't heard Opeth, Death (for fucks sake who else hasn't?), Neurosis, Vektor, old school Metallica (from Kill 'em... to black album), Mastodon, Isis, Devin Townsend, Tool, Gojira, among the ones on the top of my head, then really, even though I understand your point, you haven't what actual talent is.
Ok, so Kanye West is a decent performer in your opinion, he can rap to some good beats someone else writes for him, fine, you acknowledge that. But in my opinion he is a talentless cunt because 1. He is an arrogant ass that bases his fame around controversy (everyone hates me and I hate everyone else kind of thing) 2. He doesn't even write/compose most of his own stuff as it has been pointed out and 3. If you haven't seen videos of the stuff he says, go see them for you to realise what an ignorant idiot he is. Again, being half way talented doesn't mean they earned their recogniction or they're great.
Now you claim lots of the artists I mentioned before are overrated, including Led Zeppelin? Give me a fucking break. You have no idea of the influence these musicians have in modern music. A lot of the stuff we hear today couldn't ever be possible without what these guys did. Go listen to On The Run by Pink Floyd, for example, there wasn't any electronic music at that time and look at the genres they help creating. Don't even get me started on The Doors.
You say you don't even hear metal, and I can tell you metal musicians really know their game musically. Assuming you don't know riffs and time signatures then let me tell you you just have bo clue what you're saying. Kanye West would have brain damage trying to read a musica sheet note of what these bands I mention have created. They have actual talent. They know how to read a musical sheet, and they design everything from rehearsals, compositions, lyricisms and album art themselves.
@legs_n_sheets i don't think he even has a criteria of what a terrible artist is. if kanye isn't terrible, then who the fuck is? I really want to know relative to Kanye, where he would put Led Zeppelin. Is Led Zeppelin worth 2 kanyes to him, or.15 kanyes, where does everyone else fit in on this scale? I'd love to know his definite criteria for what makes a musical artist NOT good. Since Kanye is NOT EVEN CLOSE to good, and he clearly can't see that, maybe he just has a completely different criteria for mediocrity. IF kanye rhyming "asshole" with "asshole" isn't bad lyrics, then what DOES constitute bad lyrics? Can he even think of a single example thats worse than that or is he just playing the devils advocate?
Throwing a couple rap verses over some beats may take street skill or whatever, but you have no idea the amount of work rock and metal artists put into their craft, taking note they don't have someone else doing their songs and everything else that comes to releasing songs/albums. You can't defend someone who has earned fame with mediocrity while saying these rock/metal artists are overrated. Give me a break.
@legs_n_sheets I have listened to them. They don't cut it for me. Like I said, not my cup of tea. I give anything a chance. With that said, it's still talent and skill at their craft. You just said Kanye is a cunt. True, but that has no bearing on his musical talent. He's good at his craft. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be famous. Trust me, I've heard bad rap. Michael Jordan is one of the worst human beings in sports history, but how has that not taken away from anyone disputing the fact he is universally regarded as the best basketball player to walk the earth? He literally punched Kerr (one of the nicest athletes) in the face for fouling him in a pickup game. If you think he's a douche, fine. I don't segue that. He's a shitty person in my book as well, but he's not anywhere near talentless and get famous for no reason. I was actually looking forward for a single human on this site to not be an annoying twat fanboy but I give y'all way too much credit 😑
so fame is your only criteria then. thats it then. great, i guess paris hilton is an amazing dj then. and kim, wow, she's such an amazing artist. what song did she sing again? i don't remember, but it must have been great. she's famous after all.
name your measurement of Led Zeppelin on the Kanye Scale. How many Led Zeppelins does it take to make 1 kanye west? just ballpark it. how many pink floyds does it take to make 1 kanye west. You say its not your cup of tea but you can't give an accurate measure of their quality, not even relative to someone you esteem so damn highly. if i gave you a list of 10 different artists, you would not be able to put them in order from greatest to worst. because you literally have no criteria by which to measure them. you say pink floyd is not your cup of tea, its not mine either--but i'm not saying kanye isn't my cup of tea. i'm saying kanye is absolutely, objectively terrible, and what he does doesn't even qualify as music, so much as an advertisement to his own ego scored over someone else's overproduced instrumental. You say his talent is undeniable--i am denying it outright, to your fucking face, i DARE you to challenge that. You are NOT entitled to your opinion until you can back it up.
And at the VERY least, if you want to be entitled to your opinion, you need to define a standard of quality by which you measure music by, and then rank the other artists we've mentioned relative to kanye west. Don't say it isn't your cup of tea. Just rank the shit. thats all you gotta do, and then we'll both leave you alone.
@TesticleMonster you really can't be this stupid. I refuse to believe it. It's actually incomprehensible to me that you are part of the top of the food chain and evolution has made it to this point to produce you... And you are allowed and entitled to be able to breed. I have been bored to the point where I've talked to inanimate objects and they literally weren't this stupid... For starters, we aren't talking about the kardashians and Hilton fucktard
I don't listen to much hip hop, but you could be talking about kendrick lamar, doomtree, j cole or tyler the creator and I wouldn't say much because even I recognize they are talented. But then again my point is simple, you can't come here defending someone who is a mediocre waste like kanye west while at the same time shitting all over musicians who are actually telented, and have proven themselves over and over why they are the kings on their respective musical genres. It's not about fanboyism, you just dug your own grave the minute you try to defend your initial point by saying not all musicians write their songs, and then the moment you said some of those rock musicians are overrated when you don't even listen to the genre. You are illiterate in respect to rock music, and you do not know the impact they have had on music general, and how they managed to create even new genres and musical styles.
Yet you go around vomiting "they're overrated" when you don't know shit about them and why they are recognized. Also, being a condescending ass doesn't help your points or opinions, it just makes it worst because you're going from "that's my opinion" to "I know better than you motherfuckers" and makes you sound as a very pretentious angsty teen. Drop the superiority complex por favor.
Kanye West is a no talent racist POS. Kim Kardashian is dumb as ditchwater. Taylor Swift is a twerp. Mariah Carey is a diva POS and I'd have to say that Justin Beiber is a broke dicked little Momma's boy faggot.
Everyone on your list except zendaya, she's ight. Other celebs I can't stand are Demi lovato, Justin bieber, 1D, iggy azalea, the kardashians, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, drake, & many more. Basically anyone mainstream.
You've met none of this people in person and you hate them? Seems completely logical.
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I hope kanye dies in a car crash. His the most irritating cry baby in the world. talking about george bush doesn't care about black people and a black male can't win an award but goes ahead and marries a white woman. WTF. Dude stays complaining. 😖😖😖😖
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Chris Brown
Taylor Swift
Gene Simmons
Ted Nugent
Justin Bieber
Melissa McCarthey
Thats about it for who I can't stand.
You can't stand Melissa McCarthey?
@NanaXXXX no I can't.
Kanye talentless? Your opinion is invalid. Is he a dick, yes, but to say he's talentless is asinine 😂
Anyways
Johnny depp- plays the same character every time. He's not that great
Seth rogan- kinda a douche and only talks about weed, although his new movie looks funny as hell
Tom Brady and/or belichick- cheaters and dickheads
That's pretty much it
What gives you the impression Kanye West has talent? Lol
His first few albums. Particularly the college series
Jesus walks
Stronger
That Otis Redding song
Power
Gold diggers
Mercy
Niggas in Paris
Homecoming
Heartless
There was a point in time literally all of his songs were too 20 hits... For good reason. Then again you're 17 and most probably of the basic white girl demographic that only has heard of him through the kardashians, which is your only exposure to him... He is literally one of the best rappers of all time
And by rappers I mean in terms of music quality and overall skill in writing songs and musical genius/iq
actually i can prove mathematically that is just not true
poly-graph. co/vocabulary. html
and keep in mind thats based on specifically his first few albums, the ones you said were so great. it is in no way an assessment of his skill level now which is so so so much worse.
All of Wests songs are written by numerous other writers, not himself. Look up any song and find the writers for it, and he uses extreme amounts of auto-tune to sound almost okay. Then the fact that he uses his rude ignorance to get him a place in the spotlight, rather than actual talent.
@TesticleMonster No, even his earlier stuff was written by other people. He's a fabricated artist.
yeah that and his instrumentals too. i'm just saying even at his best, even if none of that were true, he's still shit.
@TesticleMonster that list has nothing to do with anything but how many words they used 😂. That literally proved nothing 😑. Snoop was like 65th... So he's below average? DMX was straight up last
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Both of y'all are literally too stupid to talk about this... I'm done
Are you ignoring that Kanye hasn't written a single song by himself?
yeesh. why even discuss anything with anyone nowadays... they're just going to believe whatever the fuck they want anyway. ain't no information you can give a person that'll change that.
No. However, most musicians and artists don't write all their own songs. That's how it works. Many write for others. But Kanye has written his own songs
@TesticleMonster 😂😂😂😂 lol! And yet you have still haven't listed a single thing to disprove my claim. He's not my favorite person, but his personality has nothing to do with how great of a musician he is. Neither does the amount of words. Tom Brady is a dickhead, but he's still objectively one of the best qbs to ever play the game of football. Russell Crowe is one of the biggest douche bags in acting, but he's still one of the best actors today. Please give me at least 1 thing beyond an ad homenim and pulling up irrelevant information.
okay then. so what, according to your deluded, demoralized mind WOULD disprove your claim. give me a criteria by which good music is measured. tell me how you would like me to argue with you.
@TesticleMonster give me criteria beyond word count
1- melody. How fluid and catchy the songs are from a musical standpoint- see power and niggas in paris
2- lyrics. How good the person is in matching the words to the type of song- best example is jesus walks. And gold digger + Stronger due to the fact he rapped to daft punk
3- creativity. Both from a lyrical standpoint and a melody standpoint. Not his strongest, but heartless might be one of his best. For the latter, power
4- originality. How different and original his content is. Virtually all his songs. Again, niggas in Paris, runaway and mercy. 3 significantly different genres of music
5- flow. Similar to 2, but how smooth his rap game is. He has a ton in the arsenal. Busta rhyme's is pure speed. little Wayne uses supa dupa flow. Kanye isn't tech n9ne, but he has can switch up
And given the fact that I was in all state chorus for 5 of the 6 years I did chorus and sang, I think I have a decent ear for music and music quality
1. Given that his melody, specifically for the example that you stated, RUINED saints row and made that entire level unplayable, i'm going to have to give that a no. and of course all the people who liked the "fixed" version of the assassins creed trailer would agree with me. It does nothing to set the mood for anything, except for maybe donald trumps campaign speeches. It is the theme song of an infantile narcissist. bit. ly/2b5wi94
2. Besides the fact that i already proved mathematically that his lyrics are highly inferior in terms of literacy, which you have ignorantly disregarded (despite the fact that wu tang, highly regarded as the greatest rap group of all time beat shakespeare in this capacity) AND the fact that MissMC already showed that he's not even responsible for writing his own lyrics, something he and donald trump actually have in common. bit. ly/2aZGVby
But lets take a serious look at those lyrics, shall we?
"Now if I f**k this model
And she just bleached her asshole
And I get bleach on my T-shirt
I’mma feel like an asshole"
in 4 lines, he just boasted about fucking a model, stated how inconvenienced he felt by it. rhymed "asshole" with "asshole", and didn't have the decency to even rhyme anything else. this is not a musical lyric. he's just listing off vain dickish things he thinks about himself to music.
"Whip that, bitch out
Tits out, oh s**t
My dick out, can she suck it right now?
F**k, can she f**k right now?
I done asked twice now
Can you bring your price down?"
thats not even music. thats like a terrible wannabe frat boy bragging about sex he never had. but not only does he admit to needing to pay for sex, he's whining about how it should be cheaper. he's like, the most terrible customer at any brother. and he brags about it like its a compliment to himself.
"Cause you was in college complainin’ about it’s no jobs
But you were suckin’ a nigga’s dick the whole time
Well I guess a blowjob’s better than no job"
AGAIN, he rhymes "job" with job, but WOW, such range! this time he also rhymes it with "blowjob!" WOW SUCH A TALENTED LYRICIST. Oh look. He's still bragging about sex. what else is new? Any other topics, maybe, besides sex and his ego? No? whatever then. Onto step 3.
Oh wait, step 3 is creativity? We already covered that. Or lack thereof. Onto step 4.
Once again HE DOES NOT MAKE HIS OWN INSTRUMENTALS. You mentioned daft punk. He literally just looped a single bar from harder better faster stronger over and over for an entire song and totally butchered the track. there's no composition, there's no progression, i'm pretty sure he doesn't even understand what a key or a scale is.
and even if he doesn't, he has an entire team for that. i don't think you understand that in order to keep his carefully crafted terrible image, he has an entire team for that. to polish a turd, filter it through 8 billion preassigned filters, mix and master it, try to drown it out with overproduced instrumentals, which i think you will find, do NOT have range, but in fact, are a formulaic lowest common denominator of EVERYTHING that hit the pop charts last month boiled down to a categorical imperative of overproduced, substanceless crap. if dubstep was hot the last month, he raps on dubstep. if trap was hot the last month, he raps on trap. he's a pandering expert, he has no style or substance of his own, he just desperately chases what he thinks the public wants to see.
In terms of flow, you've made my argument for me. Tech n9ne isn't the smartest dude but he's got flow. Busta has flow. little wayne, on the other hand, sounds like if a vocoder could gargle semen. But even he is better.
@TesticleMonster so you reference saints row and list lyrics in which he raps about his dick and fucking bitches... So literally every top rapper... Fuck, virtually most songs if eanu genre... Ok. Word count has nothing to do with anything. I already asked about snoop dogg and dmx and you disregarded that point... But that's none of my business 😒🐸☕️. As for that job and job rhyming reference, he rhymed no and blow, dipsit... Can you really not read? And as for 3, I specifically mentioned both lyrical and melodic creativity. I provided examples for both. Dude, get the fuck outta here with that weak shit. If you don't like him because he's a tool, say so, but if you wanna talk music and have an objective conversation, I'll wait.
no not every top rapper. in fact i'd say that the amount of braggadocio in a rappers lyrics is almost always proportional to their lack of talent. clearly overcompensating for something. tech n9ne writes about pineapple juice and getting blitzed off of his ass. even flow rida writes about jeans and boots with the fur--he's not writing to bolster his ego, he's just talking about a chick he saw at the club. which isn't all that enlightened to begin with, but at least its better than being a tactless braggart.
you did not provide any examples. you just named stupid songs, might i add, that i and everyone else with sense hates. and naming one time he rhymed 4 letter words does not make up for the countless times he's completely butchered the English language. I played it by your stupid fucking rules, man, i could show you a signed testimony from god himself, that he created kanye without an ounce of talent in his body, cast down blood from the heavens and you still wouldn't listen.
You have no class, no sense, no logical sense of evaluating any kind of information, your very process by which you think has become so corrupted that you will never again own a thought that makes sense, because of your absolute refusal to consider any information that does not fit within the realm of your psychotic delusions. I would rather converse with a sentient pile of feces than i would with you, because it might actually have some self awareness of to what its comprised of. And that would be way more interesting than you anyways because god only knows what a sentient pile of feces would have to say of its existence. It would be a miracle of modern science, and you, you're still just worthless.
@TesticleMonster sounds like a dude who has never listened to a biggie song... I do like how a dude who referenced Shakespeare to rappers like 5 times talks about butchering the English language... He literally made up over 1700 words out of thin air... Also, what the fuck are you talking about? 😂 and please, I'd love to see that signed testimony. I'll wait 🙄. Either put up or shut up
And you still have yet to address my snoop and dmx comment... Or did you forget? 🤔. And I couldn't read the last comment cause you are so full of shit. Hey pot. Meet kettle. Why don't you reread what you wrote and take some of that advice... Starting with the 1st sentence...
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You've got four thumbs down, nobody agrees with you, and your notifications keep popping up, please just shut up already.
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Yeah, and? It's an opinion question and response. 2 of them came from you and the dickhead that keeps responding. Also people on this site tend to like and hate the same things. Hate all things mainstream and tend to be "outsiders". I only know a couple of people on here that can even tell you the difference between football and basketball. Also, the very nature of this question is compromised with bias based on your opinion so you'll attract people who will agree with you. And I don't particularly care, but considering you and the other dude are viamently responding to my post to disprove it, I'm guessing either of you care or y'all wouldn't keep responding 🤔
"most musicians and writers don't write their own songs."
Umm, 99% of the bands I listen to write their own songs and play their own instruments. I literally can give you hundreds of examples of artists from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and early 2000's. The fact that modern pop music artists, including mainstream hip hop, don't write their own songs and are talentless doesn't take away that other musicians (some not even charting on billboard 200) have actual talent, and craft on their instruments.
@legs_n_sheets A second all of that.
People today don't even realize that there is such a thing as a real musician who composes their own work. Now the billboard is just full of songs all written by Max Martin and Shellback.
This guy has no idea what he's talking about, he only has knowledge of millennial bullshit.
@legs_n_sheets Most of the people I listen to write their own songs as well. My favorite is kygo right now. I don't listen to 98% of shit on the radio. But the people still cranking out top songs are still talented (minus fetty wap... But that's a different story). Whether a person likes something/someone or not is not an indication of someone's talent. I think Drake is the biggest faggot on earth, but he can spit (when he tries... I've seen him mail it in). I don't think anyone likes j beibs, but I'll give him props cause he does have good music out there. I loved maroon 5 back in the day. Then they sold out more than anyone I've ever seen in my opinion. Their new stuff is shit to me, but they didn't lose their talent. I don't know your thing, but for something more practical, take 60s-80s rock. I frankly think most of them were overrated. People act like they were the gods of music. But I can't deny that they were actually good and created some awesome music. Can people not understand this?
Oh my Lord, you have no musical education whatsoever.
The names you refer to are the absolute worst things to ever happen to music, Drake? Seriously?
"Started from the bottom now we 'ere
Started from the bottom now the whole crew fuckin 'ere"
You refer to this as talent?
And WOW, out of everybody you think Fetty Wap sucks when in reality he's one of maybe three rappers who actually writes his own songs now.
You're taste in music is laughable mate
I said I don't like them, dipshit, but I can recognize the difference between personal preference and talent. Just because I don't like them has nothing to do with talent, which is my point. Do you just not read? I did not give any specific examples of their songs. You just decided to give out random lyrics and put words on my screen. Good thing you're still in high school cause you need it
I wasn't trying to criticize your taste in music, but damn. Have you ever listened to The Doors? Led Zeppelin? Any classic rock band you know about?
Ok, some grunge? Alice In Chains, Screaming Trees, Mad Season, Soundgarden? Ok, how about experimental music. Ever listened to Radiohead?
Are you into metal? Death (the band)? Or some progressive rock/metal such as Tool, or Opeth?
How about some folk, or even Jazz? Do you know who Herbie Hancock is even?
I'm not claiming I'm a master of musical knowledge but if you haven't ventured to other genres outside of hip hop and pop music then you haven't discovered what actual talent really is.
Did you not read my comment?
Your TASTE in music is laughable, your opinions on music are laughable, and your arguments against good music is laughable.
Maybe try listening to anything other than the hot 100 for once and maybe you'll learn something, because you obviously didn't learn shit from high school yourself.
@legs_n_sheets I was running out of characters and hare going over 1 post for like a sentence. I think they're good, buy people always treat zepplin, the Beatles, queen, Aerosmith, the doors, etc like gods. It's probably more not my taste in music (country, rap (80s-mid 2000s), house (mainly tropical) and trap are my favorites) than the fact that they're overrated, but people treat them as if their music is perfection. It's good, but they aren't God's musical gift to man. And yes, i listen to many genres of music. Metal is probably lowest on the totem pole for me. Again, not my cup of tea, but just because I don't necessarily like it doesn't mean I have to or should discredit their musical talents. Music comes in many forms. But people apparently can't fathom looking things objectively. Like I said, I hate drake and Beiber, but they can come up with good music. I don't like their songs, but I can pick elements in which I think shows they they are worth their fame (to some extent)
What's it like failing 1st grade English? I already said multiple times I don't listen or like most of the people and songs on the radio. But that doesn't mean I don't think they're talented. Or are you literally too stupid to understand anything?
The fact that your opinion is one wherein you believe people like Drake are talented is what makes you illiterate, whether you "like them" or not.
What's it like living in a mental institution?
@legs_n_sheets i actually know the guy who writes songs for some of these mainstream guys (he's actually tight with wu tang, and he's got some funny stories about the time kanye basically pissed himself in their presence) and i also know the guy who makes instrumentals for rihanna. he's got like 40 followers on soundcloud but can shred like no other. this is him shredding right here.
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so yeah. popularity isn't a measure of talent. most people figure that out in middle school.
side note man with the kind of stuff you listen to have you heard of eric johnson? bang camaro? (one of their guitarists is actually in the band with the guy i mentioned) i'm sure you know satriani. i've been digging for some good stuff... rhinocerose, if these trees could talk, ratatat, elektrisk gonner, akshin alizadeh, bar-kays, cee-roo, NoMBe. Nowadays you gotta kinda get international to find the good stuff.
@legs_n_sheets don't bother with this phillistines gish galloping. he's a lost cause. actin like the greats ain't gods gift to music when he'll literally take it up the ass to prove kanye is the GOAT. And i love that acronym because i get to pretend its not an acronym and make goatfucker jokes.
That's your opinion. That's different from talent. Jesus christ. People on this site are way too stupid.
Lol @testiclemonster way to live up to your name 😂 You and asker might be the dumbest people I have come across on this site... And that's saying something
yeah, man, well thats just your opinion
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"Metal is probably the lowest on the totem pole for me"
If you haven't heard Opeth, Death (for fucks sake who else hasn't?), Neurosis, Vektor, old school Metallica (from Kill 'em... to black album), Mastodon, Isis, Devin Townsend, Tool, Gojira, among the ones on the top of my head, then really, even though I understand your point, you haven't what actual talent is.
Ok, so Kanye West is a decent performer in your opinion, he can rap to some good beats someone else writes for him, fine, you acknowledge that. But in my opinion he is a talentless cunt because 1. He is an arrogant ass that bases his fame around controversy (everyone hates me and I hate everyone else kind of thing) 2. He doesn't even write/compose most of his own stuff as it has been pointed out and 3. If you haven't seen videos of the stuff he says, go see them for you to realise what an ignorant idiot he is. Again, being half way talented doesn't mean they earned their recogniction or they're great.
Now you claim lots of the artists I mentioned before are overrated, including Led Zeppelin? Give me a fucking break. You have no idea of the influence these musicians have in modern music. A lot of the stuff we hear today couldn't ever be possible without what these guys did. Go listen to On The Run by Pink Floyd, for example, there wasn't any electronic music at that time and look at the genres they help creating. Don't even get me started on The Doors.
You say you don't even hear metal, and I can tell you metal musicians really know their game musically. Assuming you don't know riffs and time signatures then let me tell you you just have bo clue what you're saying. Kanye West would have brain damage trying to read a musica sheet note of what these bands I mention have created. They have actual talent. They know how to read a musical sheet, and they design everything from rehearsals, compositions, lyricisms and album art themselves.
@legs_n_sheets i don't think he even has a criteria of what a terrible artist is. if kanye isn't terrible, then who the fuck is? I really want to know relative to Kanye, where he would put Led Zeppelin. Is Led Zeppelin worth 2 kanyes to him, or.15 kanyes, where does everyone else fit in on this scale? I'd love to know his definite criteria for what makes a musical artist NOT good. Since Kanye is NOT EVEN CLOSE to good, and he clearly can't see that, maybe he just has a completely different criteria for mediocrity. IF kanye rhyming "asshole" with "asshole" isn't bad lyrics, then what DOES constitute bad lyrics? Can he even think of a single example thats worse than that or is he just playing the devils advocate?
Throwing a couple rap verses over some beats may take street skill or whatever, but you have no idea the amount of work rock and metal artists put into their craft, taking note they don't have someone else doing their songs and everything else that comes to releasing songs/albums. You can't defend someone who has earned fame with mediocrity while saying these rock/metal artists are overrated. Give me a break.
@TesticleMonster right, I said something similar there in my last post.
@legs_n_sheets I have listened to them. They don't cut it for me. Like I said, not my cup of tea. I give anything a chance. With that said, it's still talent and skill at their craft. You just said Kanye is a cunt. True, but that has no bearing on his musical talent. He's good at his craft. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be famous. Trust me, I've heard bad rap. Michael Jordan is one of the worst human beings in sports history, but how has that not taken away from anyone disputing the fact he is universally regarded as the best basketball player to walk the earth? He literally punched Kerr (one of the nicest athletes) in the face for fouling him in a pickup game. If you think he's a douche, fine. I don't segue that. He's a shitty person in my book as well, but he's not anywhere near talentless and get famous for no reason. I was actually looking forward for a single human on this site to not be an annoying twat fanboy but I give y'all way too much credit 😑
so fame is your only criteria then. thats it then. great, i guess paris hilton is an amazing dj then. and kim, wow, she's such an amazing artist. what song did she sing again? i don't remember, but it must have been great. she's famous after all.
name your measurement of Led Zeppelin on the Kanye Scale. How many Led Zeppelins does it take to make 1 kanye west? just ballpark it. how many pink floyds does it take to make 1 kanye west. You say its not your cup of tea but you can't give an accurate measure of their quality, not even relative to someone you esteem so damn highly. if i gave you a list of 10 different artists, you would not be able to put them in order from greatest to worst. because you literally have no criteria by which to measure them. you say pink floyd is not your cup of tea, its not mine either--but i'm not saying kanye isn't my cup of tea. i'm saying kanye is absolutely, objectively terrible, and what he does doesn't even qualify as music, so much as an advertisement to his own ego scored over someone else's overproduced instrumental. You say his talent is undeniable--i am denying it outright, to your fucking face, i DARE you to challenge that. You are NOT entitled to your opinion until you can back it up.
And at the VERY least, if you want to be entitled to your opinion, you need to define a standard of quality by which you measure music by, and then rank the other artists we've mentioned relative to kanye west. Don't say it isn't your cup of tea. Just rank the shit. thats all you gotta do, and then we'll both leave you alone.
@TesticleMonster you really can't be this stupid. I refuse to believe it. It's actually incomprehensible to me that you are part of the top of the food chain and evolution has made it to this point to produce you... And you are allowed and entitled to be able to breed. I have been bored to the point where I've talked to inanimate objects and they literally weren't this stupid... For starters, we aren't talking about the kardashians and Hilton fucktard
I don't listen to much hip hop, but you could be talking about kendrick lamar, doomtree, j cole or tyler the creator and I wouldn't say much because even I recognize they are talented. But then again my point is simple, you can't come here defending someone who is a mediocre waste like kanye west while at the same time shitting all over musicians who are actually telented, and have proven themselves over and over why they are the kings on their respective musical genres. It's not about fanboyism, you just dug your own grave the minute you try to defend your initial point by saying not all musicians write their songs, and then the moment you said some of those rock musicians are overrated when you don't even listen to the genre. You are illiterate in respect to rock music, and you do not know the impact they have had on music general, and how they managed to create even new genres and musical styles.
Yet you go around vomiting "they're overrated" when you don't know shit about them and why they are recognized. Also, being a condescending ass doesn't help your points or opinions, it just makes it worst because you're going from "that's my opinion" to "I know better than you motherfuckers" and makes you sound as a very pretentious angsty teen. Drop the superiority complex por favor.
Bruh @Other_Tommy_Wiseau you forgot love lockdown. :P
Omg you have Kanye and Taylor! Who's team are you on then? And I think I hate Kim kardashian, Ariana grande, and Kylie Jenner more
I dislike zendaya's personality, don't like Taylor or Katy Perry. I find Beyoncé to be bland off of stage. I think Amy Schumer is annoying too.
Kanye West is a no talent racist POS. Kim Kardashian is dumb as ditchwater. Taylor Swift is a twerp. Mariah Carey is a diva POS and I'd have to say that Justin
Beiber is a broke dicked little Momma's boy faggot.
he's not racist against white people, if he was he wouldn't have married Kim K. he's just entitled.
A giant man-baby
@whtpplrcrzy So he likes to cross the fence. I still say he's a racist POS.
Everyone on your list except zendaya, she's ight. Other celebs I can't stand are Demi lovato, Justin bieber, 1D, iggy azalea, the kardashians, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, drake, & many more. Basically anyone mainstream.
You've met none of this people in person and you hate them? Seems completely logical.
I hope kanye dies in a car crash. His the most irritating cry baby in the world.
talking about george bush doesn't care about black people and a black male can't win an award but goes ahead and marries a white woman. WTF. Dude stays complaining. 😖😖😖😖
Not in this order but I hate them all equally:
Kanye West
all the Kardashians/Jenner family
Arianna Grande
Miley Cyrus
Zendaya
Kanye is wildly talented and skilled! Don't let your emotions blind you of these artists' skills.
Sarcasm is wonderful!
agree with the whole list + kim kardashian and kylie jenner
How about a vast majority of the entertainment industry in general?
a. George clooney
b. Angelina Jolie
c. Sidharth malhotra
d. Channing tatum
e. Zayn Malik
Kanye is not talentless. That's just crazy. The rest I can agree with.
Ian sommerhalder, Angelina Jolie, Channing Tatum, bad actors and are ugly tbh.
Sidharth malhotra too (in India) , good looking but pathetic actor
And Enrique Iglesias sounds like shit live. He has no talent too
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@vnmc
I completely agree with your list.
I really despise Jared Fogle.
All the kardashians and jenners! Those people are air heads! And 100% fake (body and personality)!!!
I agree with the whole list. 😊
Any of the Kardashians/Jenners.
Paris Hilton
Pretty much any useless piece of shit.