Bruce's adopted daughter who has been Batgirl and Black Bat, and later went by the name Orphan. I think she's the best choice.
Terry Mcginns might be a close second and he's also the most compassionate, but he also relies too much on his suit and tech.
Grayson doesn't seem interested in being the Bat. I'd argue that he's a better leader than Batman, but he has his own unique personality and fighting skill. Even though he was Batman once, I felt it was the wrong direction for his character. I like him as Nightwing and love the fact that he isn't as dark.
Jason's morals are just too different and even though Damian is supposed to be the most like Bruce (which is debatable), I can't see him working with others or leading a team. I don't see Barbara Gordon taking the mantle either.
As for Cass, she is hands down the best fighter in the Bat family, which includes Batman himself. Sorry Bruce, but you're second to her. She's the daughter of David Caine and Lady Shiva, both of whom have been mentors to Batman. She was also trained by the League of Shadows to be Rha's Al Ghul's personal bodyguard. She's defeated Lady Shiva in combat three times, which Batman himself hasn't been able to do even once.
And if you're a fan of Batman, you probably know how much willpower he has and what it would take to reach his level. Not only is Cass a superior martial artist, but she is so dedicated to the cause that the Dark Knight himself, who survives on 2-4 hours of sleep, had to tell her to relax.
She's also more strict about her no-killing rule than he is. She learned to fight before she even learned to talk (especially since her father didn't want her to ever talk), and she can read her enemies' physical pain without words. She was trained to kill since she was born, but she's only done it once in her life and swore to never do it again.
Finally, Bruce himself said that she's his ideal choice. That should be reason enough.
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So to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that she call herself Batman (which would be really weird) 🙄 She could be his successor and still use a different name. She's already going by Orphan
Anyone else feel that Batman's successor should be Cassandra Cain?
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She may be the logical choice but McGuiness already succeeded Bruce in that role. He wasn't mentored by Bruce via the Robin suit. McGuiness became the Bat because he was the first person to actually want the mantle.
Orphan doesn't share the same internal drive. It seems to me that Cass is too afraid of being the Bat on a nightly basis. I think she knows if she did that she'd end up breaking her no kill rule when things got dark. McGuiness has his levity to fall back on when things get dark and Cass just has more darkness to fall back on. If she ever broke her rule, even accidentally, it would destroy her mentally.
I dislike McGuiness because that means we have a timeline where Bruce is miserable and alone. And where only Dick, Tim and Barbara exist but all left him. AND where Bruce started a relationship with Barbara and even got her pregnant - which is just wrong on EVERY level!!!
They all would fit the role. I think the wrong way to go about it is how close they would be to Bruce Wayne being Batman. They need be their own person being Batman. If I had to pick, then I would say Dick would be the best. He wanted to be himself so he went under the name of Nightwing. I think Cassandra should do the same. She is right going under the name of Orphan.
Nope, Batman is Bruce Wayne and always will be Bruce Wayne, just as Captain America will always be Steve Rogers, Ironman will always be Tony Stark and Thor will always be Odinson no matter how hard people may try and change that. There is no successor. PS Not interested in any more SJW rubbish ruining my comics, sorry. Batman's successor should be male and only his sidekick should be female.
Think what you like. I'm not interested in reading someone else pretending to be Batman, Thor, Ironman, Captain America, Spiderman or any of the other replacements. And I'm not alone as anyone who has been following the critical opinion of Marvel and DC recently knows.
Oh, really? Female Thor is not a replacement even though she wields Mjolnir? Even though they changed the whole canon of the origin of Odinson's name in order to legitimize her? Do me a favor.
Yeah she's not a replacement because Thor Odinson still exists and they've made it clear that he's coming back. She's only calling herself that till he's back and they didn't change any canon
So Thor became unworthy in Original Sin when Nick Fury whispered something in his ear, and that was in August 2014, a few months BEFORE the appearance of the female Thor.
They even intentionally left it a mystery as to what he whispered. Thor even spent a lot of time trying to find Mjolnir in alternate universes. Marvel wouldn't do this if they didn't plan to bring him back. He even got his own series called Unworthy Thor... So she's clearly not his replacement.
And if anything, this is a good thing for Thor's character since he's MUCH more interesting now than he was five years ago. He's actually focusing on a lot of other things than being a hero and has shown a lot of character development.
That's kind of ironic coming from someone named Power Princess. I'm really sick of people thinking Cassandra is just written for the sjw agenda. She isn't, and never was. Her gender was never the focus of her character. It was never important. And she was created with the intention of being Batman's successor. She just naturally fit into that role. So this isn't a case of "SJW rubbish" at all. It's the complete opposite of that. Unlike Barbara or Kate, Cassandra was never defined by just her gender or appearance or sexuality. She was defined by being unable to read or speak, by being able to read body-language, by killing a man when she was 8, by overcoming those handicaps, by being the only non-powered human to beat Lady Shiva in a hand-to-hand fight, for having the only practical batsuit that actually covered her whole face, and for her relationships with Stephanie, Bruce, Tim, and Barbara.
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I think she could provide a lot of interesting storylines and it sounds like there's a lot of room for development in her character and that's the most important thing really.
First was Barbara Gordon. She was shot and paralysed by the Joker. So then became Batman's "guy (girl) in the chair" - literally, as she's confined to a wheelchair.
Cassandra became the second Batgirl after saving Commissioner Gordon from her father, David Cain.
After Batman "died", she left Gotham to become Black Bat and gave the title to her best friend Stephanie Brown (AKA: The Spoiler, and the former 4th Robin) - later revealed to be because Batman told her to do it if he died, possibly because he wanted Cassandra to go on the same "world tour" Bruce went on while he learned the skills to become Batman.
Not only is she the only one who could replace him, she's the only one who can SURPASS him.
She's the most similar to Batman, and she was the least one influenced by him. He had nothing to do with her morals or reasons for wanting to be a hero. He merely promised to stand by her and help her accomplish what she herself decided she wanted to do.
She doesn't care about the "rush" of being a hero, or the attention, or getting thanked, or having fun like the others. She just wants to help people. Even the bad people. And just "good enough" is never good enough. Nobody else but Cass shares that with Batman.
And unlike the others, being like Batman actually makes Cass happy. She's the only one who truly wants to take over for him when he's done. All the others complain and try to avoid being like Batman. Them becoming Batman after Bruce would be seen a tragedy. But for Cass, it would be a triumph.
She's also the only one who actually understands Batman. The others are more focused on what Batman says and always misinterpret his actions. But for Cass, because she can read body-language, everything is on the surface with Batman. She sees the compassion and concern and vulnerability he tries so hard to hide behind that stoic, serious, brooding facade. She has complete faith in Batman even when others don't and will always stand up for him. And Batman himself admitted to her that while the others have his trust, she's the only one who has his faith - that means believing in someone even when there's logical reasoning not to (and for Batman, that's something, because it means she would be a hero he WOULDN'T have a contingency plan for). The only time they've ever been at odds is when they're trying to protect each other.
The only people who think one of the others (and by others, let's face it, they mean one of the boys) is better suited to succeed Batman are the ones who don't know about her or are too set in their ways. Or just believe a man can only be succeeded by his son. But as much as the others will try to take the name "Batman", they will never be Batman. Because none of them act or think or feel like Bruce does. Only Cassandra does. She's been confused for Batman enough times and people have noted that she's the most like Bruce enough that that's clear. If she took over, it wouldn't feel like Batman ever left.
No, I think Cassandra Cain should get a main Title, a femme fatale sort of thing. Instead of Gotham she rule another place. But I'd still want batman to stay male. Preferably Bruce Wayne should remain (find a way to become immortal).
I'd definitely love to see Cassandra Cain having her own separate comic. She'd be perfect for her own Title, there are hardly any successful female characters that are mainstream. Wonder Woman is one. Electra tends to be short lived and alongside Daredevil. Orphan could definetely get her own movie.
Um, I don't think femme fatale is the right word you should be using. That implies a woman who's very sultry and sexual who seduces and manipulates men for ulterior motives... Does that sound like Cass at all to you?
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This is one of the things I never got about Batman - how long has his career as Batman been to squeeze in that many disciples? And how long did it take for him to -Master all/most martial arts -Get degrees in some 6 or so fields which is way more than any human has ever done -build the batcave which looks like a multi-million project -+ other duties like maintaining the Wayne empire and etc.
@dewaldt I'm not asking about the history of the comics but the timeline of the character of Batman. How long did it take for him to do everything he has done.
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Dick Grayson is way too iconic as Nightwing now. I think it's too predictable and played out for a Robin to become batman anyway even if it's temporary.. It would have to be one of the Batgirls only because they've changed so much so one hasn't become very established. I believe there were 3 but I can only think of Barbara Gordon and Cassandra Cain. I don't believe Gordon has the experience to be Batman especially since they kind of made her into a teen hero in the newest series. Cassandra Cain has the most experience and a darker past like Batman. It certainly fits more.
I haven't payed much attention to any of them, got an interest in batman couple years ago and only read about him. None of these characters were in the dark knight when he is old, how come? What is the official story for this... If someone does become his successor I would hope is someone as serious as him.
Too much like the Thor-is-a-woman thing going on at Marvel. She can make a good Bat-Woman though, and be a critical backup for McGinnis. She could also teach Terry how to be a little less reliant on his tech.
No I don't necessarily mean that she should call herself Batman (which would be weird). She can be his successor and still call herself something else. They already have a Batwoman though
I remember Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond. I think he was fine as a successor although he needed guidance from Batman himself due to being new and didn't have any actual prior experience in fighting crime until later when the story is fleshed out for Batman Beyond.
Well as long as Cassandra isn't gonna be the next Batgirl or Batwoman I don't see why not, since someone else had filled that role previously. Maybe they can do one issue of that and see if it's marketable and whether if the community and fans are interested in buying it or not to read the story?
He actually already has a successor. In one of the issues it shows Damian filling that roll. Also and I apologise if this sounds sexist but I don't think a woman can become Batman. I think they are more suitable for Bat woman.
What I was saying is that she could play the role that he does in getting Gotham (or any other city) free if crime. She could take after him. But she doesn't need to call her either Batman or Batwoman. She can go by any name she wants.
The thing is that would anger a lot of Batman fans. His son is going to become the next batman. Also chances are that Bruce would never die. They are more likely to reset the comic and let's be honest he has been around since 1939, and his age isn't slowing him down.
I prefer Tim Drake because he can control himself better than Jason Todd and Damian Wayne. He also has better deductive skills than Dick Grayson and Cassandra Caine. As for McGinns I think that would be after Damian Wayne, but it won't be like the movie. My only problem with Drake is that they made him Red Robin. The suit does not look that good and the name is lame since Robin's suit is red anyway.
Well Tim is definitely the smartest but he's more interested in completing his education and stuff. But yeah I'm not a fan of him as Red Robin. I like Jason as Red Hood but he wouldn't work well as Batman. Dick is probably my favorite though. I just love his character
I just wonder if there will be any more Robins after Damian. He is unlikely to give up the mantle, since he loves fighting so much. Also how will this Robin be different. Dick has excellent acrobatics skills. Jason is the only Robin to be 'murderd'. Tim I already mentioned. Stephanie is the only female Robin yet and Damian is the first psychotic Robin. How will the next one be different
I swear ta God the next person who makes necessary that you explain *again* that, "no, I didn't mean call herself batMAN, I meant...", is getting stabbed in the dong...
to me it should be Damian Wayne the successor, Grayson wants to get away from the Bat's shadow, Tim Drake is too smart to stay in the Batfamily (actually wants to go university) finally Jason Todd has too much anger to become the Batman
Damian is growing up to be a fine successor, have you seen every DC Animated Movies? Teen Titans Judas Contract shows just how Damian Wayne has grown since Batman : Son of Batman
I've seen Justice League vs Teen Titans and The Judas Contract. And yeah he had grown quite a bit, but there are times where he still seems to think like an assassin
Porbably the best option, I would say grayson if he wanted to because he understands what you need to sacrifice to do what Batman does. But that s also the reason he doesn't want to become Batman so he s not an option.
Yes, I like the idea, she is a proficient fighter and has strong will, but for now, she can be Batgirl (Orphan is a very depressive name for a superhero).
I feel like she deserves more than being Batgirl. It makes her feel like she's in Barbara Gordon's shadow, and that's pretty insulting for Cass to be considered a successor to a girl who became Batgirl for cheap thrills and because her daddy wouldn't let her be a cop. Putting Cassandra in the shadow of a librarian who took self-defence classes is disgraceful.
I suppose it doesn't really matter. Comic sales are a piddling these days compared to what DC and Marvel make off movies. DC's also gone all in on animated/cartoon movies, curiously.
And it's easy to write an indestructible character. Just go look at an anime, find some Naruto character who can level entire cities, boo hoo. The challenge is crafting a character that people can put themselves on, someone that lets them suspend disbelief.
Well, lots of people apparently. That's why she's the first Batgirl to get her own solo series - and the longest one as well. And it's not because she's an "unbeatable badass". It's because, despite being so strong, she also struggles with learning disabilities, social anxiety and mental illness. Those are all things a lot of people can, in your own words, "put themselves on".
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