I mean an attitude like this link . I had a discussion with a friend and that is exactly what he said. He also said the way VS models look is the most natural and all women could look like that if we just didn't overeat.
So I'm wondering is it just him or do most guys think like this? Do you think we'd all look like models if we just ate less chocolate?
On a side note I know a lot of men say they don't like the skinny model look, but when I was that skinny (and I'm not fat now just 125lbs) I got hit on more often and I see guys hitting on those girls all the time, so obviously enough of you do
I used to model and believe me most girls are underweight and working damn hard (borderline unhealthy) to get the body they have. While most eat somewhat healthy usually they often eat nothing for weeks before big events and even their everyday diet is fairly unattainable for most women.
Most live off fruit,veggies, lean meat and beans.Nothing else. No pasta,bread,milk,potatoes,rice, yoghurt. A banana is considered a treat in the model world. Additionally they work out 2 - 3 hours a day. That is not easy and not healthy either. If most guys think it, that's just sad. really
I think he's talking about building muscle vs being generally fit. It's more difficult to build muscle than it is to just be fit.
But yes, that guy does sound like an idiot, and no, most guys don't feel this way. I personally only expect someone to be themselves, and to be cute enough for me to find them cute. Body size has very little to do with it, as long as she isn't bigger than I am, and I think most guys will admit they feel the same way.
Men AND Women like the model type of bodies, Not all men and women like that type of bodies, for example: Some Women might like guys who are fit, toned or with 6 pack, oppose to a simple flat stomach skinny guy. Each thing differs from person to person.
Men don't always demand that their women should be like models just like how women don't always want guys with 6 packs. It would be nice, but its not a demand. Different people are interested in different things, some guys like average to curvy women, some women prefer a big chubby guy to an average guy.
I haven't found a single model attractive completely, She might have a cute face but after that, I lose interest really quick. Not all men like skinny women, So don't think all men want that, It might be a good portion, just not a whole percentage.
I can only speak for myself and my experience being born and live in Sweden.
From those two pictures the girl is much closer to her natural body type then that man is.
It's quite common to see teenage girls on the beach looking like that. They are not models, just regular girls with a normal diet.
It's very uncommon to see a teenage / mid twenties guy with a body like that picture since that is a body type 0% of the population is born with. It takes years and years of dedicated training and is never something you are born with, which the girls body type many times is. At least here.
But if you DON'T have that girls body type naturally then of course it will take hard work from the girl to maintain that look.
That pic is obviously bullsh*t. It takes work for women to be in shape too. Bodybuilding is super hard work, definitely no taking away from that, and some girls can just be hot simply by watching their diet, that's also true. But saying a VS model just had that fall into her lap is a lie. They definitely work their asses off for that, their body, their skincare routine, their appearance, everything takes tremendous effort and dedication.
But the math is simple, curb your calorie intake and augment your energy expense and you will loose weight, that's simple 1+1=2 logic. Unless you have a condition that makes this impossible it really is that simple.
What's tough is staying disciplined, especially if you're starving yourself (I never understood how girls can do that, it's nuts! I think I'd be fat if I was a chick, I love my food lol).
You're looking at this from the wrong standard completely.
For the average female, to be thin and beautiful(no they aren't necessarily synonymous), you just have to control your diet. It's a ridiculously simple thing to do when done right.
I'm not really sure why you're asking this question, since being a high class model isn't easy for a woman OR a man - obviously.
What I think your friend's argument is, is that for a more average person the higher standard of beauty for women is more easily attainable. Women are simply required to be thin - men need to work their asses off for a long time, both dieting and working out.
If you don't overeat, anybody can be thin. I'm not talking 'runway model' thin, but at least 'actress thin', which in my opinion is perfect. For a guy to look ripped, he has to work out like a maniac, for a woman to look sexy, al she really has to do is watch her diet. I know some hot girls and almost none of them work out, I know some hot guys and most of them work out religiously.
Being a runway model is a totally different ball park though, that requires, for most girls, starvation. Although I happen to know two sisters that are models and they are naturally freakishly thin, 'good genes'.
To be honest most guys think these girls are naturally fit and beautiful aside from the makeup and sensual clothes they may be posing in. I understand their is a lot of work by women to look attractive and to meet a certain media image. For most guys you know a girl or have heard of a girl who eats whatever she wants when she wants. This girl is "the exception" . The misunderstanding is "the exception" becomes the belief. Meaning that guys think most girls don't have to work hard at looking good. We all know how magazines show beautiful girls as "hometown hotties" and they say typical things that would attract men but not on how hard they worked to get that body for that particular photo shoot. The thought process is " if the average girl can look good by doing nothing it can't be that much harder for models to look as they do".
On a side note in reference to your link most men think of having to go through a regiment to get a good body and for a girl to go through a diet. I'm not denying anything that women do to be arduous but from a guys standpoint it seems less arduous.
Its funny how you complain about looking like a Victoria's Secret model because the guy in that pic as to do more then the girl. Its true all the girl needs to do is not eat like a hippo, the guy needs to work out, run and eat right.
I disagree with their very definition of "looking good", so I don't really care if you look like a model ~ models are skinny and usually not even attractive on any level. Pretty girls among models are in fact the exception for some reason.
you have a flawed perception of beautiful. you want beautiful? look at fitness models.. they are beautiful, they know how to maintain a healthy body and are a whole lot damn sexier than those unhealthy skeleton victorias secret models.
Do hardwork in the gym and you will be sexier than any model.
You can have an attractive body to the the gender without a huge amount of effort. You might need to exercise and you would have to resist the temptation of eating anything you want whenever you want. That's not true for everyone either. I've known some girls that apparently had a good metabolism.
I don't think it's easy, but I do think it is easier comparatively. However, I wouldn't be surprised if that guy had the help of steroids.
I take your point that these girls are professionals for a reason - they get paid to diet, to exercise, to look like a VS model. If you didn't have anything else to do besides concentrating on your diet and exercise, sure maybe you can look like this.
That said, you can still look pretty damn good by not overeating and exercising regularly. Maybe not VS model-esque but good enough a guy won't complain. You are making things sound extreme when the problem is more of habit and taking care of your looks.
Wow. That link with the FB pic of the girl and guy...REALLY misogynistic. Some girls have hypothyroidism, and they could eat almost nothing and still be overweight. Some have PCOS which causes weight gain. Some girls aren't made to be like an artsy-fartsy barbie-like victoria's secret model. It angers me that society treats women like crap and expects them to be 100% perfect. Please don't listen to these a**holes, and please don't date them either!
Some people being skinny is natural. They can eat whatever and never gain weight. My sister is like that. She's 116 pounds and eats anything and everything and never gains. I used to be that way until after the depo shot. For others it comes harder. You have to work out, eat right and watch your weight. Everyone is different
When one looks healthy, feels healthy, acts healthy, it's attractive. Point one.
I believe VS models are not the same weight or look as catwalk models therefore they have 'more leeway.'
Many men I've met didn't go for stick figured women as many don't look healthy. P*rn actresses are hardly ever stick thin from my understanding. Breasts, roundness, behinds, aren't possible to be sustained on thin framed bodies.
I would agree that men have been more attracted to me while I was lighter in weight however when I see pictures of myself at heavier weights, I may be small framed, but I look hefty. It's not the most attractive for me. 127lbs -129lb seemed to be the weight which got me the most positive comments & the most advances from men. I currently am 10lb over but that's ok! Lost 10lb to date! So, I'm getting back on track. Amen!
As for how to eat, I would never go extreme, I think Weight Watchers helps one keep eating everything but less for the longterm.
Life is not about getting a man. They are just the blessings...:) Once you let go, and take care of you...stop hurting you and seeking ways to enjoy yourself, only then will you come to realize that you are a blessing to men too:)
I think men do believe that.
I know my partner does, I'm a bigger girl and he just doesn't understand.
It has caused many arguments.
I'm one of those unfortunate buggers who can't lose weight unless I eat near enough nothing (doctors even said to lose weight I need less than 1,500 a day). When I was younger I was really big. Like... US size 24-26 big. I stopped eating and exercised for 2 hours a day and basically passed out from exhaustion. I shrunk to a size 10 within 3 months. I'm now a size 12, aiming for a size 6-8. He doesn't understand why I don't do it again - if it worked once, it'll work again.
There is more pressure for a woman to be thinner than a man. Out of the two genders, broadly speaking the man is bigger build so he needs more food. I think men have more pressure to strain their bodies to get the muscle, but women are maybe fitter? More of their exercise comes from cardio.
Of course, there are some models who are naturally tiny. My partners sister is a runway model and she eats takeaways, etc, she's just skinny like her brother.
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