Do women really want equal rights?

[Crispybacon]

Okay, now before you read this please understand that I'm not trying to offend anyone. I'm not a troll, nor am I biased. I'm just being honest based on observation., so if you're offended by that then that's an issue you have to deal with.

For some time now women have been fighting for equal rights. But everywhere I go I don't actually see that happening. If I open a door, the girl with me will scold me if I go through first without letting her through before me. If she opens the door first then I'll be lucky if she even holds it open as she's walking through. "Ladies first" is a sickening phrase that not only destroys any sentiment of equality but actually puts women above men.

I was reading a poll about who's job it is to ask the other out (I can't be bothered to find it, it was one of the top rated discussions). Most women voted that it is the guy's job to ask the girl out, which again goes against the whole "equality" thing. The funny thing is, most men agreed that either sex should be able to ask the other out. So, in this situation, men are saying women have just as much an obligation as men to ask someone out, while women are saying it is the man's job to do all the work. Heh.

From my experience, and I emphasize this is my unbiased experience, most women will fight for "equal rights" when what they really want is better rights. They want men to hold the door open for them, pay for dates, buy them flowers, and put in all the effort of initiating a relationship, all while arguing for equal pay and respect in the working field. Make up your mind, you can either hold on to the traditional belief of "man looks after woman," or you can ditch the idea of being the "pampered sex" and actually strive for EQUAL rights. You don't get both.

if your are a woman and you are not like the type of woman I described in this post, then you should not be offended as this wasn't directed towards you. If you are offended by this post then good, because that just means you're the type of woman I described and you need a good dose of reality.

Let the discussion begin.

[Anonymous]

"if your are a woman and you are not like the type of woman I described in this post, then you should not be offended as this wasn't directed towards you"

hi!

well,firstly,it was directed towards women,therefore,it WAS directed towards me,period.

I think you are mistaking politeness for rights. Both girls and guys can be polite to each other. You can't expect a girl or a guy to like it if you push her or him aside,to enter through a door first..i mean,that's just so silly,it even sounds messed up.

What equal rights mean is that girls be allowed tay out as long as guys are, and not stopped under the ridiculous pretence of "protection"

What equal rights mean is that girls should be not forced to marry when they don't and I mean,if they never want to marry.

What equal rights mean is that women shouldn't be beaten and thrown from one corner fo the room to the other when their guy is drunk.

they should be allowed to do what they want,when they want

This is clearly not happening.

"MAn looks after a Woman"?when did that happen?really, very few men look after women.the rest rape her or beat her..

I don't hate men,but neither do I think you should do anything if you don't want to do it,and that includes being chivalrous.

your last line shows another way men look at women. either we are all very good and angelic,or we are the sluts and the bitches who don't care about your feelings. tell me, do you ever think of us as humans?

exactly,that's the point. We want to be treated human. We want to be given a chance in making some rules in the world, as opposed to men making them and making others following them for over soo many years.

again I say,i am not anti-men. in fact, I have a boyfriend who does all this for me,but I do it to him as well. What is the harm in opening a door anyways?;)

on a serious note, please look around a little bit more, "you need a good dose of reality". don't look at majority as it exists here...go out and see things happening, and read the papers. read books about other countries.ohh and btw,did you ask those girls why they think guys should ask them out?

YOU guys would think of those girls as very forward if they did, and even though many say yes,they would like it, they are just saying it.

I am sorry the below answers don't really prove my point,but really read some of the literature that has been written and you'll know what I'm talking about.

[Wigz85]

Ok, women do want equal rights. Yes. But there is a difference between equal right and wanting a bit of gallantry from guys. Women still have old fashioned romantic views.

Yes we want the same pay packet as men and the same chance at getting that executive promotion, we want to be able to have our vote count as much as a mans does and we want our voices heard.

But that doesn't mean we are above having someone open a door for us. I open doors for men just because it's common courtisy if you reach the door first and they are right beind you. If you just let the door go when it only would have take 2 seconds to hold it open then I think it's just plain rude whether you are a man or a woman.

If you are talking about being equal in all ways, not just in rights. I ask you... would you be willing to cook dinner for half the days of the week? Would you clean the house and change the nappies half the time? Do YOUR half of the washing at night? Pay for dinner half of the time and open the door half of the time, and buy the movie tickets half of the time? I could go on forever. If you want to be litteral about equality then it works both ways, you won't be allowed to complain when you have to pull your weight around the house and do the traditional 'womanly duties'.

I know I personally want to be treated fairly in society and have as much chance at success as the man sitting next to me. But I still want to be romanced like a woman of old and have chairs pulled out for me and doors opened for me, and I still want to go home and cook my boyfriend dinner and wash his clothes and take care of him the way women have taken care of their husbands for years. I am only speaking for myself but I like that romantic notion of the man taking care of the woman.

However in general society I strongly believe that women and men should have equal rights. The same way different races and different religious backgrounds etc. do.

[lahiggi]

Ok. You have great points... Some women cannot make up their mind. But to be frank when men can carry a child in their womb and get their period every month then they can expect me to take responisbility of opening the door for them and asking them out.

I do not get upset if a man does not open the door for me but I do see it as an act of kindness as I would do for anyone else as a form of respect (elderly, children, other women, even a guy that has things in his hands) I have also asked my share of guys out, however I will always prefer for him to show the initial effort not for tradition but more as a sign of respect for me as a woman and what I as a person have achieved and will achieve... (not only do women today have children and take care of the home like their ancestors but also work, achieve andeducation, pay taxes and are equal citizens in society...)

Respect is something terribly missing in our society and I think for this a person can become confused between equal rights and the respect individual women are searching for. I don't believe we can ever really be equal (because we are not the same) but I do believe a woman is entitled to equal rights in society as equal contributors and equal pay as equal workers. my 8 hour work day is just as tiring as that of a man (and when I have my period it is even worse... ) so why by standard should I be paid less?

[devojames]

as soon as women are made mandatory for selective service

[armyant]

What do you mean they "don't get both"? Quite clearly they already have both, as they have equal rights in legislation, or rather, they have superior rights to men, who must sign up for draft and are accused of rape when they have intoxicated sex, and against whom stand many old (pre-equal-rights) legal precedents relevant to family and divorce courts. They are able to sustain this position because, quite frankly, men are complete morons who continually buy into their "victim" crap.

Women at large realize that by perpetuating this image that they are "underdogs" and "struggling" they can at once demand that it be acceptable for them to criticize men (as they are, after all, our equals) and that it be unacceptable for men to criticize them (as they are, after all, our victims).

[crazy-in-luv]

But isn't it their only way of getting heard?

to play with what they have..men still have the power. the curtesy guys give to women is just the curtesy given to lower creatures,isn't it?

[armyant]

From what I've seen, more men believe in equal rights than do women, who mostly seem interested in fighting for gender perks for themselves, not for any kind of equality.

[Anonymous]

Let me tell you a story. When I was 17 I was very close with one of my ex-stepdads. We spent a lot of time together. He had a girlfriend that belonged in prison though. At a certain point she pulled a 22. On me. She wasn't fast enough and I took it from her and put her in the hospital for a week. When I tell this story people are horrified I hurt a woman so bad, but why they don't understand is If a man had pulled a gun on me and I got ahold of it, he would be dead, not in the hospital. the point being men and women are different. We're about as equal today as we'll ever be, any farther and women will be superior in the eyes of the law.

[tallenblog]

Okay, well, I hope that I can be honest without being judged or ridiculed. However, while I think woman should have the freedom to vote, and work if they'd like (there are an assortment of other things along those lines I find to be important, however, I can not think of them off the top of my head) I am a Christian. I believe that men were created to be the leaders and protectors of us. I also believe that woman were created for men's pleasure. Now watch out boys, that does not mean for sex. I mean for keeping him company, cleaning, taking care of our children etc.

However, I also believe that men have taken that gift (authority, power, etc) to extremes and have abused it. Don't get me wrong. I am just as proud of our Military Woman, and other strong woman who have benefited our country in ways I'm not sure I could ever have the courage to do so. I believe that a lot of woman in this day have been forced to learn to fend for themselves.

A lot of my friends think it's odd I think such things because I am such an independent person. I'm content with taking care of myself. I'm fine working hard for a good life. That is also because that is how my mother raised me. She is one of those strong single woman who raised five children single-handed-ly with no support from our "father".

[Cool-Relax]

We've talked about that a few times in my psychology class. A lot of the girls said that they want equality in their jobs, and they would want to split domestic work and childcare with their husband in the future, but they want the guy to be the dominant one in the relationship otherwise, so he should pay for dates, hold doors open, etc. They want him to be "chivalrous."

Personally, I agree with you; we can't have it both ways. I want equality in all aspects. I don't expect guys to do things for me, so when they do hold doors open or go out of their way for me, it surprises me, and I genuinely appreciate it. I would rather a guy do something for me because he wants to and not because he's just trying to please me--that's meaningless. I don't get mad at guys for that either. Why get mad at a nice gesture?