Why do guys think girls approaching is the solution?

[Anonymous]

I hear a lot of guys talk about how this would make things so much easier, and I guess, somehow improve their chances of getting a chick. Maybe.

I was for the female approach thing - or rather - at least women making themselves more initiating in letting the dude know your interested.

I was thinking about the girl approach thing - and I wonder if this whole " male seeks female -" thing was set up like this on purpose.

1. Girls approaching doesn't mean you'll get approached.

It's just reality. You can't force someone to find you attractive or like you - if anything, this makes the girls even more in charge in this situation - because it will force men after a while of not being approached - to approach anyway.

2. Just because she approaches you - doesn't mean she's Miss. Perfect

In the small talk it takes to get someone's number - you don't have a valid idea of what type of person they really are. Sure she thinks your cute - but that doesn't means she's still not the biggest bitch, rude, spoiled, a user, manipulative etc - traits that don't come out until you get to know a person more anyway.

3. Male competition would get worse.

I've heard every guy who's presented this argument, say that men will not turn down a girl, half as much as girls turn down guys. Women have a good amount of different men seeking her - how would you feel as a man, for her to be walking up to every guy plus you - getting all your guys's numbers - and then ultimately still having " veto power -" because one guy out of your group rejects her 5 of you other guys will accept her. So now, you really have to step up your game against such a blatant circumstance. What's even more emphasized - is that your readily expandable if you don't get her favor.

I know I know - that sounds bad - but that's the nasty reality of veto power. Men are lax on their standards for women, so for a chick to go out and find a dude ( and all men have confirmed this that I've spoken too -) it's pretty easy. Even for women who aren't half way decent looking - there are men who will take them.

4. Sexual Liberation and Modern Mentality Women

Some Girls are just as doggish as guys - and the influence we have in men can make that aspect ridiculously more severe. You think it's bad now that a lot of girls open their legs up to guys so soon? Men give women sex easily - because they want sex badly - this idea of sexual openess on top of that - holy sh*t - not that I'm saying girls will instantly become whores - but sex is so casual in society - getting multiple guys for sex would be thrice as easy - even if they're just boyfriends because men aren't as picky with this.

Lets not exclude the femanazi - and hyper feminine ideas in society to add to that as well.

Men think women have power now?

I don't think this approaching thing will help more than it will hurt.

What do you think?

Girls approaching is good because...

Hmm - maybe it's not totally good - but things still need a little some tweaking...

[Mrsupaakeru]

I agree with you that women being responsible for approaching men wouldn't solve men's problems of getting laid. It would make it worse. Men who want this dynamic are thinking about through rose colored glasses (ie as if they were a hot girl). However since what women hasn't changed just how they get what they want you're still not getting laid because women are only going to go for guys they want: good looking alpha males, confident, cool hobby, smart etc. True you no longer have to feel rejected because you aren't doing the asking, but if you aren't what women want (constantly being rejected when you do the asking) you aren't going to be approached (different form of rejection). This is what unattractive girls have to deal with. At least with the current system you can approach whoever you want and it's just a numbers process to see who will go out with you. You have no power if you are waiting to be approached.

Since if you aren't being approached you lack the power to change your dating situation on your own then I suggest both genders ask out who they like. To me this is the most fair, equal system. Also it would allow women to see how difficult it is to approach someone.

[Asker]

This was an Instant BA lol -

That's exactly what I was trying to say - I don't think this is some miracle solution to dating problems - and your so right about the rejection of not being approached. It's the same slap in the face - and yes, more power and control in dating is granted to the approachers.

I say, all girls need to do is just be bold and show they're interested. Enough of the shy stuff on both sides lol

[Mrsupaakeru]

Thanks for best answer.

Glad there are people out there who do not instantly blame the other gender for their dating problems. I'm tired of the misunderstandings.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

I don't think it will solve that many problems, I just think they should be able to. I have to disagree about it causing more harm though. I don't think that male competition will change that much, maybe the dynamics of it a bit. And as far as sexual liberation thing goes, I don't think that an arbitrary archaic gender role based cultural rule should be what stops women from "getting around." I also don't think that more girls will become whores, to use your wording, more likely those that already get multiple meaningful overnight relationships, will get worse, but those that don't, likely won't.

I see it helping a couple problems: 1st the balance of power: girls aren't stuck waiting to be approached. Guys aren't responsible for always having to be the one to build up the courage.

2nd, the "what if" scenario: Specifically when a girl likes a guy and the guy doesn't notice the girl. Not saying the guy is interested, not saying that he isn't, saying if the girl can approach him then she could at least find out.

[Asker]

Yea I don't think the changes will be super drastic - but the way people look at this theory - as if somehow women approaching will incredibly change the dating game. It will tweak it no doubt, as far as one being sure there's a mutual interest in both sides approaching - but not so drastic as people hope. Usually when people don't approach, it's because they don't feel inclined to - or aren't attracted to that person. Maybe they're scared but not usually -

[Asker]

and plus, what happens now if both sides start to fear rejection like the guys claim too? I agree it would be less pressure on guys if the girls took more initiative - but the rules of the dating game will change little - if at all. I thought things would turn for the worst because women would get even more power on top of the veto power we already have - because the genders don't behave the same in dating - but I mean, if you don't have much luck with how things are now - how can one be so

[Asker]

sure their dating arrangements, or the dynamics of dating will suddenly change for them? I mean, like I said, just because your approached doesn't mean one you'll like them, 2 they're a decent partner, and 3 - they have good intentions in regards to you.

[Malcom_Reynolds]

I do agree with your points about it won't change the scene that much and you won't be necessarily approached by someone you like. But the point I was making is that I don't see it causing any bad, but actually causing good, and helping remove gender roles (some people disagree about this being good).

I don't really follow your argument for why things would turn worse. It's about putting everyone on the same playing field.

[pr3ttybr0wn]

Because they're scared of girls

[Asker]

Yea there's a select few guys who are - however, even confident, non - scary guys have said the dating thing is a tad biased, for favor of women. I think girls should take more initiative too - but not to such an extreme as these guys seem to be asking for. It's female nature to try and get a guy's attention when your interested unless your ugh " shy" or whatev - guys stress about approaching girls - girls stress about guys they like and gaining their attention.

[Asker]

It's like - women are the " initiators," and men are the " approachers." But us girls aren't taught to initiate anything. Society dictates that we have to sit aside waiting for some guy to swoop us off our feet. -_- yea stupid. Actually, if girls were more open in their interest and took active initiative in the pursuit of guys - it would make dating tremendously easier on both parts. Girls want " equality" with guys - this would be that equality in dating - not approaching so much.

[Anonymous]

I think the only people you'll hear complaining long and loud that girls should do the approaching, are the guys who are paralysed by fear, and can not approach girls themselves.

I think it's perfectly natural for guys to do the pursuing. We're traditionally the hunter/gatherer types. It's in our biology. Men *want* to do the pursuing.

When you come across boys who don't have those instincts, it's clear that there's something wrong.

[Asker]

Ha ha lol can't disagree -

Every single guy who's complained about this - and not just on here, I've encountered a couple in life - have the same exact thing - scared, shy, or bitter.

And finally - your the first - FIRST - guy to say that the seeking thing is natural. I completely agree. Women don't fret about getting men half as much - but guys it's such apart of their nature.

Even the guys who complain, fret about getting girls and stress about it because it's instinctive imo.

[Opinion Owner]

"Every single guy who's complained about this - have the same exact thing - scared, shy, or bitter."

I agree. And there's nothing wrong with that, exactly. I think that's exactly what GAG is designed to help with. But the worse part about these guys is that they can't even admit they are afraid, or that it's easier to change themselves, than convince all the women in the world to change.

[Asker]

EXACTLY.

These guys come on here crying about their situations, and the best advice people give is for them to work on adJusting themselves. But for some reason, they're waiting on some miraculous happening to completely flip dating into their favor? What?

[Opinion Owner]

And downvoting anyone who points this out, obviously.

[yopyopyop]

You raise good arguments.

But it's more a change of mindset that would be nice, in my opinion.

I mean, I sincerely think women should be equal to men.

We hear very often that women earn less money than men for a same job, that they often don't get the job (one of the reason being : do you want kids ? yes ? that means you won't be able to stay long), and all that kind of stupid things.

For me it has nothing to do with competition, Miss Perfect or sexual liberation. It's more a philosophical question: if women approached the men they are interested in, like men approach them, then they would really be equal. And it would be a start for real equality.

Since we're just animals and that dominance is really only sexual (our society keeps seeing women as sexual artifacts, sociologically talking: look at all that women's press), it should be about time to show how it is wrong :D

[Asker]

I think the midnset of entitlement should change in a lot of girls - but the approach thing - women can go out and have several men to choose from - guys not so much - even if he's good looking / charming - women are just more picky in men, and less amped to settle if we don't have to. Girls are like guys in respects that we don't just like one single person at a time - different guys have their appeals, so even if that girl does approach you, she's approaching several other guys too

[Asker]

and with female pickiness; it's more of the guys not hoping they're good enough compared to the several more who also want this girls's affections. with guys approaching, it creates this idea that you somehow stick out from the rest of the men, and actually gives the guy a chance to show his worth if there's a mutual like. and she'll focus on you / give you a chance. if she's just taking numbers and approaching several different guys to figure out who's best -

[Asker]

not only does that lower your chances at her seeing you as the best pick because the active competition pool expands greatly, but I feel like a guy would have to work thrice as hard just to keep her attention off of any other guys - because now women would definitely know they have a wide variety to choose from - why dwell on one guy for too long if you can easily get another who's a tad better in her eye's?

[Asker]

I could definitely understand if the outlooks were the same in male in female - but guys aren't so rigid in picking women, if she's pretty enough, sure you'll give her your number, and there are a lot of guys going after women. And if it's so believed girls seek out certain guys like the bad boys / jerks etc - wouldn't this crisis just get worse?

[yopyopyop]

Haha, you touched the sensitive point. That kind of liberation would make it impossible for most women to appear as "victims" of jerks and bad boys, since they'd go for them openly. And I think they cherish their apparent innocence quite a lot, especially when they get real and have to find reasons to explain themselves their former behavior ;)

[Asker]

k but then that's even worse for the guys who don't measure up in that respect. plus, the girls can date all the guys without fault in sex and stuff like men do, because it would become socially more accepted - then still end up with legit guys to marry and raise a family. it just seems like a win win win for girls here, and even more of dirt in your face for the guys then it is now :\

[yopyopyop]

I'm not sure. Because men don't pick up ANY women. For instance, in the past I had a bad crush on a woman, and when I asked her out, she rejected me. Then a few days later, she was with a real jerk. After a few weeks, she dumped her and told me "I thought about it again, he was an error, let's date". I told her she had disappointed me too much for that. So men have morals and ethics too. On the contrary, I think that equality would really ease up everything a lot.

[Asker]

Okay, so if guys hold women to these moral / ethic standards harshly - as women hold men to their picky standards as well, wouldn't this make getting a partner more difficult? Because I mean, yea you get some veto power with the girls approaching, but it's not like this means mrs. right will appear. the waiting game for a legit relationship is still in full swing here.

[Asker]

morally - I think it's a good idea, because it would mean maybe more relationships would be better and probably help out the marriage / divorce rates waiting for some decent people to come along - and love healthier as well - but - what about the aspect of FWB's and sex relationships? I'd think those would get a lot worse, and the jerk / player thing which means more dissapointment - and the jerk / player thing is often something many women go through to learn what a decent lover is - would

[Asker]

actually being so rigid in perspective on both parts really do more aid than harm? everyone gets in a dumb relationship, if guys suddenly expect women to make valid relationship decisions without going through those few relationships, then reject the girl for it - seems pretty counter effective?

[yopyopyop]

Well it's not about being more rigid, but about thinking before acting, and knowing that as grown-ups, we have responsibilities in order to be good human beings. I don't mean to reject someone because they just did something bad. With my example, I just hope I gave her to think that she couldn't have all she wanted if she wanted and when she wanted..

[yopyopyop]

So maybe next time she was asked out, she would really think a little more before turning the good guy down, and then doing the innocent girl after the jerk showed he was a jerk.

[Asker]

but what if she was a great woman? You just duped yourself kinda because now you won't know. It's like, when you were a kid, you would go to the park and fall down after your parents said not to climb on the monkey bars that way. Do they ban you from the park because your too wrong / bad / immature? No, you learned not to do that because you got hurt. Same philosophy on a more deeper mental / emotional level here. She even admitted she made a mistake and you were the better man in this case -

[Asker]

so you try to get back at her because YOUR upset she didn't choose you over him? What? That's not very adult like. You don't know how bad something / someone is until your in that situation fully (relationship,) and get to know them. I've looked at stupid guys and thought, oh he's a cool guy, and now I'm like what a f***ing poor decision that was - but that's life - you live and learn.

Not fair to scrutinize someone for adhering to the lessons we all must go through.

[yopyopyop]

No, my point is going into a relationship is a matter of good timing between two persons also. And what could be overlooked in certain contexts, cannot be in other contexts. The important is to make the good decisions when the time has come to make them, and not to have regrets taking them. I wasn't angry because I was upset I wasn't chosen at first, but because she thought she could have what she wanted when she wanted. Too self-centered a behavior for my taste.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

I'd like to point out the money argument is in valid these days in the western world. The reason men are paid more (it's usually only about 5% more now) is because men are more aggressive with their initial pay. Studies have found that men are more likely to aggressively negotiate their starting salary as well as pay raises compared to women. This accounts to them starting at a *gasp* 5% higher salary to women (and men) who don't aggressively seek more.

[Asker]

@ Answerer

But that's what happens when you learn - I mean come on, you've made poor decisions every now and then - are you suddenly a horrible self centered person? No - your just human. I don't get why guys drill women so hard about our dating choices, but don't care to look realistically att the fact that they do the same exact things. I've gave this same lecture to several guy friends who ended up with bitchzilla - but then were happily taken in by good women later - yet guys

[Asker]

scrutinized women so harshly when we make mistakes dating? What the hell is up with that? That's just being a bunch of hypocrites.

" Have what she wanted when she wanted,"

So she dates this jerk - then tries to get with you because your better, and she wants to experience a decent relationships with you. That's being selfish?

If that's the case - the majority of people are selfish since the majority of people have bad relationships and go looking for better after. -_-

[yopyopyop]

You're right. But in a few weeks, that's just lack of judgment, and that's bad for me. But it's just me; to each their own.

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

It's good because currently it's far more likely a girl is interested in a guy and won't act on it then a guy being interested in a girl and not acting on it. It's really frustrating. It's good because it's equality. What happened, didn't women want equality? Or was it really women just want all the benefits and none of the real work?

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

Also, I'll be honest, every woman I've ever met that says women shouldn't do more asking are scared of being rejected so they don't want to have to take on the responsibility of asking out a guy and risk rejection. It's far more cowardice from women then from men who are "afraid to ask out." I've asked out girls, been rejected and haven't been rejected. I'm just sick of being expected to do all the initiation work.

[Asker]

Well, both male and female say they fear rejection for doing approaching - I've approached guys, it's not terrible like so many guys claim it to be. Besides, female caution in approaching is due to more natural things - for some reason, men were inherent for being the seekers, and women are more of the seeked. I have no idea why human nature developed this way, or much of the animal kingdom - humans are the only one's who reason against nature to call things " unfair " but it's

[Asker]

majorly human society that puts so much weight on guys to approach. If men weren't influenced by that - men would still seek women anyway. Men stress more about approaching then women ever have, because it's ingrained in human males to seek a female. But yea, I say society has put a tad bit too much pressure and expectations on guys, and is too lax with women. Honestly, I was never taught how to swoon and get a guy - but my brother got a nice lecture about buying this and that?

[TheGodEmperorLeto]

If you can't realize that it's society that's forced men into that role and that actually before society came about men and women were actually equals (Both hunted, gathered, sought out stuff, etc) then that's a shame :\

And buying what? why buy stuff?

[cyrus7]

Ill tell you why it would help, because most guys are OBLIVIOUS to the signs of interest girls show, most guys won't know you like them unless you make it obvious.. and a guy isn't gonna approach unless he knows you may be interested

[Asker]

But a lot of guys approach without those hints. I've been approached by guys without even knowing they were in that area with me - let alone giving any signs. A lot of guys do that, because I'm guessing due to the standard of that being the only way to get a girl - and like I said - you might not get approached. women will still have their pickiness and standards, which are worse than guys. and with that, I feel less guys would get an even lower chance because she could easily find

[Asker]

another bigger / better guy - out of the dozens of men she can choose from already, because men aren't picky. so if your not the best looking guy or whatever the issue, at least approaching you get the chance to interact with her and show her you have tons of more worth. but if she could just skim right over you for the next 20 or so waiting dudes um...i think that doesn't work out well for the guys on the other end of that situation don't you think?

[cyrus7]

I dunno, I wouldn't approach a girl unless she showed some interest or if I thought I had a shot so women approaching would be helpful because if a girl approached me then I know she's interested for sure

[cyrus7]

and no, not every guy is desperate enough to date any girl that throws herself at him

and not every girl is going to be attractive to every guy

so it works out

[cyrus7]

also you're leaving out something called love

u don't choose who you fall in love with, it just happens

[Asker]

Is not desperation, it's just gaining more potentials. But girls tend to have more potentials than guys do which is why I'm not so sure this whole idea is as peachy as a lot of guys think it is. And you forget girls are picky - she may see you and think, oh he's cute - but then see another guy who's more attractive and get him instead. And no not every girl will be attractive to the guys, but men are more lax - so more accepting of flaws and stuff.

[Asker]

Love can't happen until there's a chance for it though. Sure he may be the right guy for her -but so is that guy, and maybe that guy. there isn't only one person to fall in love with.

[cyrus7]

yes lol you're turning human emotions and love into math, it doesn't work like that its waaay more complicated

and guys are not as desperate as you think lol maybe for sex but not for love, I personally would not date a girl just because she approached me, thered have to be a spark

[cyrus7]

if girls would be going for the best of the bunch there wouldn't be enough of those guys for every girl, and soon the girls would look to the more average guys lol, problem solved

also once those "best of the bunch" saw how many girls wanted them, then THEY would pick the best girls too since they hav options now

[Asker]

lol well then it's just the same situation as now. love is more complex yes, and waiting for the right person to come along - that aspect won't ever change - but the problem here is, you may spark with that girl, but then she sparks with another man too. all it takes is something slightly " better" about him to steal her away. that's the pickiness and why I say guys would get more competitive with each other actively. but yea, the love waiting game def won't change. could take days or decades :\

[cyrus7]

lol you act as if every guy out there is rdy to take the first girl that says yes

guys have standards too, not to mention in your situation the best guys would be with the best girls and the rest of the girls would HAVE to settle for lower and lower

[Asker]

but wouldn't that just be settling then? she couldnt' get mr.perfect so bam she just settles? who would like to be settled for :\

and no there's not a set group of perfect guys, it's just with more active options, it's easier to push aside once another "better" guy comes along - most relationships don't get a spark - so don't use love to defend this. especially younger relationships. and don't forget the focus on sex so much too :\ and guys are more lax so saying no isn't as common.

[cyrus7]

also from your point of view, any girl that approaches guys right now will have the hottest most desirable guy, which is certainly not true

ur theory fails, you lose, I win :) loool

[Asker]

lol but then isn't that just what happens right now? the girls can't have the best so they settle for lower and lower? and as I said - the girls pickiness will dictate whether she approaches or not - so the chances remain the exact same don't they? if no girls look at you now or care too - why would this aspect change anything?

[cyrus7]

yes its settling, just like if she goes "oh.. mr.perfect didn't approach me so ill settle for this guy who did" lol

more holes in your theory, its like swiss cheese :D

[Asker]

and grow up. this isn't a contest - suppose to be an honest discussion. try acting like an adult.

[Asker]

LOL - wait wait wait -

so you agree girls should approach more - but then you just said this concept results in the exact conclusions as the current state things are in NOW. Isn't there in issue with dating as it is NOW? lol wow - yea your so smart.

[cyrus7]

ur discussion is just going in circles that's all

in your theory, any guy who is not the best will be settled for, regardless of if he or the girls approach

[cyrus7]

no, it would not be the same, if more girls approached, then more girls AND guys would be going for what they want, and people want different things

[Asker]

but the basis for love and decent relationships, and actually obtaining a relationship would still be relatively the same. again - you may NOT get approached and be held to the same standards now. there's a big maybe there. like you said, not everyone will be attracted to said person - but I do see the concept your hinting at - it would take a lot of needless pressure off of guys if girls were more active in engaging men, whch would be tweaking the standards now.

[cyrus7]

you keep acting like every girl out there has at least 20 guys after her, and also like the girl has a shot with "the best of the bunch" when every other girl is after him too

that's simply not true and you know it, some guys may be desperate for sex but no one is desperate for love, you can't settle for love

in your situation, almost everyone would be in a relationship

[cyrus7]

The best guys with the best girls, the average guys with the average girls, and the bottom of the list guys and girls together . It would work out just fine

[cyrus7]

and to the answers above, funny you choose that guy as BA lmao



and also, we're not shy, scared or bitter, we just don't want to approach a girl who doesn't look interested at all, I'm sure you girls wouldn't do it... hell you don't even approach to begin with :) oh you must be shy scared and bitter (see how I can generalize? :P)

[Asker]

No, women don't have hordes of guys after us, but, it's easier on women as far as approaching, because so many guys have stated less men would turn women down - on top of guys being more easy with a woman's flaws / not terribly high expectations / pickiness.

Lol - you know the type of guys I'm talking about so lets not get into that. And it's been apart of female nature for decades to not approach - not much of an insult really. Really.

I specifically said those types of guys - if it's not u

[cyrus7]

lol whatever

[Asker]

then don't fret about it. And come on - it's kind of silly to deny that those group of men don't have those things in common. It's obvious. They're " shy " / scared, or bitter towards the whole dating aspect.

I agree one should wait for a mutual interest - but I guess so many are so eager to find someone to have that connection with, that they get impatient or frantically start approaching different people - just to be rejected :\

[cyrus7]

thats easy for you to say, you guys don't do the approaching etc. :)

[Shy_Steve]

Men don't Give Women Sex easily.

If an average looking Woman and an Average looking Man were approaching people for a dates all day who do you think is gonna get rejected the most?

I will Give you a clue... It wouldn't be the Woman.

[Juker]

Ive had my best success with girls when I approach them. So I can't see the logic to defend that position.

[Asker]

so have a lot of my guy friends. they've gotten shot down a couple times, but still got what they wanted soon enough. I think giving girls the option to weed men out in this way, even more severe than we do now - would ruin a dude's chances at getting a girl even more. there's no need to waste time getting to know you if she's already talking to another guy she's already deemed better. but since women are more passive, it makes us more inclined to get to know you and decide instead of

[Asker]

push you away because we have several other guys waiting for us to pick them too.

[Pohjolan]

Gals do approach guys but also ones they are not interested in so its not really a solution to anything.

Bring back dropping handkerchiefs.

[Anonymous]

How about people stop caring about which gender does what? How about people start going after what they want?

[Asker]

it's just a question. no need to get all self righteous about discussing genders. preach this somewhere else because it's not neccessary Mother Teresa...

[Opinion Owner]

No need for you too respond in such a manner. I wasn't being self-righteous at all. I'm sorry if you took my answer too personally. I just believe it's silly when people waste time and worry too much.

[Asker]

I didn't take it personally at all - it was just really unnecessary. If you don't approve of the context of this question, then ignore it. This is being self righteous because your declaring some righteous statement you've formulated to degrade this forum. Why?

Stop caring about what other people question if it's irrelevant to you.

It's silly and a waste of time when you worry too much ;)

[Opinion Owner]

You keep responding to me like you took it personally. I am not upset at this question nor am I trying to be rude at all. I just presented a different idea not trying to degrade your forum. This is not a personal attack on you, so can you please stop being rude? Geesh...If I had known you were so sensitive then I wouldn't have answered your question. Forgive me for thinking you were normal.

[Asker]

Hey - your the one getting passionate about this. I wasn't even trying to be rude - just correcting the point you made at me because it was kind of hypocritical lol :P

Your perspective has nothing to do with what I'm talking about here - so why post? Of course your aspect is a good nice " lets all get along and go on with life," idea - that's universally agreed upon.

I was just curious to this theory I've seen pop up so I asked.

Scientist do this too by the way with their theories and discussion so

[Asker]

what are you going to do - run into their discussion and tell them to stop fighting over theories of evolution and go on with life?

lol no right?

That's all we're doing here - is discussing a concept as Einstein and Darwin did back in their days.

Why?

I just wanted to understand the deeper onset of this theory better, and what really is incorporated in it's core.

So please, the first statement was needless - the second one, I agree so.

[Opinion Owner]

Well for the record you called me Mother Theresa and I took that as your feathers were ruffled. I shouldn't have hijacked your question, but when you've been here long enough to see this topic over and over again you can expect the GaG guy population to come in and start crying about how more women need to do this and that. So my answer was directed more in hopes of calming them down. It seems like your argument was too thought out for them to comprehend it anyway.

[Asker]

Oh yea - I did that for the same reason you needlessly answered with that first part. Lol you didn't hijack anything - your answer was way at the bottom anyway so the more detailed one's are on better display for viewers.

If this question was exactly like the others - which I've seen a billion times too - I wouldn't have asked it. I'm questioning the core of the concept - not if this concept should be followed as the other do - hence why the answers are more than just girls should and

[Asker]

that's it. The guys actually try to discuss my arguments with me here about the underlying sub theories of this original theory - which is what I wanted. I didn't want the whole who should approach really - just questioning this outlook is all. Nice of you to look out for their well being, but this isn't one of those questions lol :P or else the guys wouldn't be having trouble comprehending it, because it goes a tad deeper into things.

Sorry if I roused you up with the Teresa thing lol :P