What do you think misc? do you believe in this or is it bullchit?
When i think about it its somewhat true even in school there is a small group of guys who attracts the majority of woman. While the rest of the men have to fight for the bottom barrel woman basically the whales.
I don't know how true these statistics are. Everyone around me is having sex on a daily basis, even the ugliest, dumbest, poorest guys with the worst personalities. But at the same time, I see girls always swarming the rich, hot guys. I've seen girls go for poor, hot guys. I've seen girls go for what they think are intelligent guys, which is purely subjective. There's no such thing as an intelligent guy. All *geniuses* that are human received their knowledge directly from extraterrestrials. I see girls going straight for the money, too. These girls will let any obese guy with money bang them. What a girl thinks is a great personality is completely subjective. I've seen girls go for everyone except me. Some of these guys tried to get girls. Some of these guys never tried to get girls. The universe just gave these guys infinite good luck. It's all luck. It doesn't matter how big your balls are. My body is always trying to kill me off every night. The global elite bankers, freemasons, and pharmaceutical industries have poisoned my body because they know what I'm capable of. But my soul is not willing to leave this world yet. Not without revenge.
I'm sick and tired of girls just staring at me and being scared of me. 26 years have gone by, every girl I meet is completely scared of me. I didn't say shit to them, I didn't treat them like garbage. I've been a saint to them my entire life. If anything, people always start shit with me. They lie about everything and try to take advantage of me. I'm fucking scared of girls, too! I don't want to go up to a girl and get reported for sexual harassment. That's the only reason I never ask girls for anything. If I had unlimited power and resources, I would be having sex with all the girls I liked in the universe. Whatever, this is society's fault. Planet Earth will face my wrath. I've come to purge the world of humans forever. If I can't have fun with girls, then no one can have fun in this planet. Fuck this inequality bullshit. Criminals have more rights than me, fuck that. Criminals have access to more resources than me. Criminals have more sex than me. I've done the right thing my entire life. I'm done with this retarded planet. I'm going to blow up this fucking planet. I am a Descendant of Enlil. In 2 months, humanity will be wiped out. There's nothing they can do against me.
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I don't think so. I'm definitely not in the top 20% of men, and I have no problem finding girlfriends, or even random girls to fuck if that's what I'm looking for.
I honestly think that the guys who subscribe to this shit are either awkward as hell around girls, haven't actually tried to hook up with very many (gave up after one or two girls shot them down), tried to go the "friends" route first (which almost never works), or are being stupid and expecting girls to come to them.
Listen man, there are ALL KINDS of reasons why a dude isn't getting laid. And the fact that he's not in some sort of mythical 20% of guys is not the reason, it's just a way for the dude who feels he's failing to justify it, by blaming the chicks that aren't throwing themselves at him, and that's just weak.
I agree with this. I think for long term relationships most people will date other people who are on par with themselves. 10s will date 10/9, 2/3s will dates 1,2,3,4s etc.
I think im just average and I've had girls throw themselves at me. I wasn't popular or anything really and i managed to rack up 7 girls while in highs school. Lota of guys who dont get laid dont even try yet get mad at girls. We are the men, we are expected to chase them. Cmon guys.
There are more attractive people in the world than there are unattractive. If you only stay inside on your computer and never socialize with other humans, yeah, you're not going to be able to interact with women (or anyone else, for that matter). Social skills are important.
Bullshit. I've seen ugly, dumb, poor guys with garbage personalities get laid. It's all about luck. Social skills? ROFL. No human I've met has social skills. If putting other people down and boosting your already inflated ego is social skills, this planet deserves to get destroyed.
What is this from... some incel website or negative PUA forum? Anyway, no. I don't think it's true. I think a lot of women go after what they want and they get it and a lot of them settle. I don't think anyone should settle to be honest.
Let see. Your an average 20 year old girl. All you friends are chasing after a small group of guys. You decide to follow suit and be part of girl who ends up sleeping/fucking Chad Thundercock in a couple days. Like all the other girls Chad is playing you get pump and dumped. May get a short fling with a couple of months of fun/relationship type feel from Chad but he quickly grows tired of you. On the other end of suitors we have Brian. Brian is always there for you, genuinely cares about you, and wants a relationship with you. Nothing is physically wrong with Brian except he's average in looks and doesn't have social status, and money to compete for girls attention like alpha males (who have money, social status, and/or looks). You finally decide to give Brian a chance at age of 30 when you grow tired of being pump and dumped and being used as a sex toy for alpha male. Would you consider this settling?
Nope. If he's not attractive, I'm not going to be with him. And you also have the wrong idea in my opinion about Alpha Males because Chad Thundercock sounds like a Beta.
Alpha Males aren't arrogant nor do they use people.
There is still about a 1-1 ratio of men and women, you will have to settle or be alone eventually, although you might not see it as settling at the time and yes in biological terms, chad thundercock is alpha as hell
And that would be a generalization. Not all women are into guys like that--I'm not. And some women want the same things those guys do--just sex. Nothing more. You need to think outside of the box.
@fuuark: I don't need to settle and nor does anyone. I would rather be with a woman or alone than settle for a dude that I'm not interested in. What you seem to be too simple to understand is that "settling" doesn't make a lot of people happy--because it's not what many of them WANT. So the relationship suffers, people cheat, they start to resent others etc. because of the fact that they settled when they don't want to.
YOU can settle. By all means, do so. But I'm not going to. Also, no. Chad isn't Alpha. He sounds like a narcissistic beta male which I have no interest in.
It's bullshit. If that was the case, the world population would have greatly diminished and like almost all of those women in the 80% would be baby mamas.
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Would be true if woman at around 30 decided to give the remaining 80% of men a chance after their past their prime and now need them to provide for them and settle down with them for marriage.
Plus, almost all guys prefer and chase women who are in their twenties and late teens, whereas women like men who are closer to their age, no matter what their age is. If anything, guys are the ones who are being picky about what a girl should look like and be (young and beautiful) since their view of beauty is much more narrow (pretty much only girls in their 20's, or girls who LOOK like they're in their 20's).
Girls go for what they believe is the top 10% of guys. The guys can look like dump and still be attractive to girls. What girls are attracted to is purely subjective. It's all luck.
What if guys just refuised to marry that qould fix the problem. Guys who dont get laid just stop marrying those bitches. And thw guys who do get laid moatly dont get married until way later on. But thats happening already. Lots of guys just dont see the point of getting married.
Except the only reason guy do this to day is to adapt to the sexual enviorment women have created for themselves. In the past men were willing to settle down and be with older women past her physical prime in exchange for her spending and forming memories with him in his youth when they were both young. Notice a lot of old couples in past (1950's) have people celebrating 50+ marriage Now, women have backed out of this and think they can get plowed by alpha males (female hypergamy) and then when the alpha are done with them and throw them out for younger, want to marry a guy they ignored/treated non-sexually to commit to them long term for relationships/marriage. Men are just reacting to this after realizing they've been conned by women into a shitty deal and going for younger woman. If woman don't want to be past over for 20 year old then realize that chasing after Chad Thundercock who has 20+ girls on rotation isn't going to work out because you have a low chance of him choosing you.
I couldn't say this about all girls. There are some girls who chase 10's and think they "deserve" them when they're a 4 but at the same time there are actually plenty of girls who feel too inferior dating a good looking guy because they're way too insecure and they'll stay with what they feel they're "on par" with and that'll be a more average looking guy. Also look at that "dad bod" craze where girls are saying they guy in fact cannot look better than the girl and they "want to be the center of attention" and they'll avoid the good looking guy because they want to be "on top" so to say. So you got girls who date "down" for control reasons and narcissism alone. Give that some thought.
Plus look at any girl who has dated a guy purely for his living space and/or money. The guy can look like total crap and the girl will still date him if he's got cash.
So yea, I'm sure there are girls who will "only date 10's" or whatever and I do see some who really need to fix their vision, but I don't think this is some widespread thing.
What if you don't feel you deserve him at all, but you still hope to date him because he is so polite and smart and funny and you find him so attractive? Is that bad?
There is no such thing as good or bad. Those are all social conatruct what you perceive to be good or bad is due to upbringing and culture. So basically who cares if you dont think you deserve him, ask him out. 9\10 when a girls asks a guy out, he will say yes. Good luck.
Hey man. This is just my two cents but this is really true from my experience, and knowledge. I've been approaching girls for a while now and have read constantly about behavior psychology so trust me when I say that this is true. And it's rather quite simple to explain. And it all lies in the primal instincts of our genes, due to our evolution from animals. If you look at the caveman era when survival was number one, women would always be drawn to a certain 20% of men. Why? Because back in these days, only about 20% of men would be capable enough to hunt and survive and be valuable to everyone in some way. So it would be natural for a large majority of these women AKA the 80% to go after these "alphas" because of their ability to do something that majority of men couldn't do. This is still true to these days because our primal instincts still exist. Even though the role of the hunter has perished, the role of the alpha still exists which are known as the 20%. But I would make the case to say that this percentage is more towards 10% nowadays from my experience.
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Well historically yes, men have tended to end up with women who were socially beneath them and women would only want men that were above them. Most men settle while most women get guy who is out of their league. I don't know if it is true or not but there's that other 20% of women. And no that 20% aren't all just ugly some might be incredibly beautiful but they themselves don't actually care as much about a guys personal appearance. I've seen guys who have not been considered "Hollywood" attractive.(They didn't have toned bodies and they had pudgy faces) but they were with very attractive women. Those are the people you should go for. The ones that don't place all their criteria exclusively on looks.
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Except you never know whether the men with these beautiful women got them because of their social status/money. 20% ISN'T EXCLUSIVE on looks alone.
All you have to do is look around and you can see it's not true. People are pretty much paired up one-to-one. Not perfectly, but nowhere near the 80/20 nonsense.
Think about it. If it were true, right now there would be a noticeable, significant drop in population and we're not seeing it.
If anyone believes this, I would really like to see some actual studies instead of opinion polls. Saying, "You can't prove it's not true!" isn't good enough. You convince me, because I don't believe it. I don't see it in everyday life.
Thats true. I finiahed high school two years ago and honestly, those guys that tried to get a girlfriend no. matter hoq much of a loser or ugly he was he got a girlfriend. People just need something to bitch about. But. its there own fault they dont get a girlfriend.
This is true on a scientific level, it has to do with the energetic costs of a sperm vs. that of an egg. As a species, it makes the sense for the "best male" to mate with every single woman on the planet for evolutionary purposes.
This thread is a little extreme however, I think everyone knows that a guy who happens to be top 20% doesn't magically become a massive dickhead who fucks n' chucks girls and treats them like dog shit. Its pretty clear, there is a high degree of butt hurt coming from the "bottom 80%" from lack of female attention. I think this stems from the sad realization that men and women are "not supposed" to contribute to the gene pool in a 50/50 proportion.
i believe its true women are much more likely to go after or have a crush on the hot popular guy while excluding all other options unless on equal or similar footing. men dont, while the hot popular girl is the one they want they will take any other girl as long as there's no major defects or flaws to her and it won't be "settling" to them.
I think those dipwads are spending too much time on a computer and not enough time interacting with actual living human beings. Second life and the Sims ain't a replacement for real sex, videogawks.
It's true if we are talking only about looks. But, charm is much more important. The problem is, male charm has been under attack for decades now as being poliitcally incorrect, which means that most of today's men don't know how to charm women. It's not their fault. Only the most determined men could ever overcome all of that destructive childhood and adolescent programming.
I definitely fall into the group of today's men who don't know how to charm women. Well, that's not entirely true, because I can talk to and laugh and tease and joke around with women, so long as they are not the women I want to date and sleep with. My guess is because there is no pressure in those situations, so it's not an act - I really am carefree in those scenarios. But with girls I'm really going for, I always screw up. Don't get me wrong, I can have very good and long conversations with them about common interests and share real thoughts and feelings with them, and they share theirs with me, and I can even joke and tease them a bit, get them to say they enjoy me and tell me sweet things. But I still fall short of creating attraction in otherwise perfect girls. They've only ever seen me as a friend in spite of this, which is immensely frustrating cause they're really unique.
So what is this male charm that i seem to be missing? How do I use male charm?
And can I use this male charm without being a "bad boy"? There's a lot of male archetypes I really don't like. I don't like cocky people who are confident to the point that it's cheesy. I don't like slick, investment-banker type, Wolf-of-Wall-Street douchebags, and I don't like hyper-macho, booze-and-drug-swilling, posturing tattooed tough-guy rebels without a cause. I think those people are bullshit and I'd never want to be one of them.
But I do want to get an attractive, unique girlfriend. I just want to do it in a way that stays true to myself. I want to do it my way.
C'mon, absolutely no science here. Just a complaint of a lot of rejected, traumatized guys. Just get over your bad past experiences. Life is no Cinderella animation, you don't always get what you want. Just accept that no one is this world OWES you love, sex nor anything else.
I didn't notice this as being the case, ie 20%, but I never had a problem and I dont think my friends did either. But I grew up in a different time than today's dating world. I do know that my then girlfriend, now wife's, friends told her I was a good catch and that she should stay with me. I dated girls from the public school and I went to a Catholic school. It just worked out that way.
I mean in the real work at any age beyond teen years. When things actually start being less about looks and more about practicality. Looks do stay important but that importance diminishes as you start living life on life's terms and it's not just a dating game anymore.
Honestly, women don't really matter about how hot guys are. Sure, a hot guy will always attract more women, but that doesn't mean normal looking guys or below can't get any girlfriends.
Most guys blame their attractiveness for their unfortunate with girls. Girls don't mind as far as much about looks as guys do. Be charming, be confident and you should be able to get a good looking girlfriend.
It certainly seems that guys have an easier time of making up for a lack in the looks department than girls do. With guys, personality or "who you are" seems to be the key.
But I do have a question though, about this part here:
You say "Be charming, be confident and you should be able to get a good looking girlfriend."
What exactly do you mean by charming and confident? How does a guy become these things?
Confidence = Belief in oneself and one's powers or abilities; self-confidence; self-reliance; assurance. Basically it's just showing that you believe in yourself, that you know your strength and weaknesses, and that you know your limits and that you're not afraid to fail. Here are some links about confidence. It's better to search on the internet, because there are loads of things: https://www.skillsyouneed.com/ps/confidence.html www.girlschase.com/.../does-confidence-success-actually-no</a>
@TheSkaFish are you fucking serious? "It certainly seems that guys have an easier time of making up for a lack in the looks department than girls do. With guys, personality or "who you are" seems to be the key."
A woman just has to be thin and she will get a boyfriend/sex from men and working out and having a nice body is enough for most guy to line up for her even if she was born with a busted face. Hell makeup can even mask/help a woman's face.
BRB a guy needs to spend years in gym and have six pack abs with muscle for his body to attract woman. BRB woman look over you if you weren't bon a certain race or witha certain face. BRB get overlooked if you weren't born a certain height.
The amount of ridiculous criticism woman put on men, while men having way lower requirement for them is sickening.
I believe it. That's why women constantly say that all guys are jerks and that's because they all go after that same 20 percent of guys that are hot losers.
holy fuck do some people really let these statistics control their life. if you see someone you are interested in then just fucking go for it, its worked out more for me than relying on bullshit statistics, as it will work for other people too.
Nothing will ever define a true depiction ofreality but we have speculate based on some sort of data. Otherwise, we are just taling gambles. A man who sees everything really sees nothing because to think means to concentrate on one particular thought. You are not really concetrating when saying statistics are always false becuase you haven't focused on one individual concept.
I think it's bullshit. Guys who whine about girl's being too picky are just insecure and pissed off that they aren't as desirable as other guys. If a guy wants a girl and gets turned down once or twice he labels women as being too picky.
It goes both ways with rejection and it's unfortunate that others blame everyone else for their shortcomings.
No it's called bateman's principle and it's because of reproduction fitness dynamics (a man can knock up several women a day, a women can only be knocked up once in 9 months). So it's biological that many men will be undesirable while few women will be undesirable.
Actually if you know anything about Bateman's theory you would realize it was done to prove the theory in the lowest forms of species on the planet. Human beings are far from the fruit flies as the original experiment used. Unlike any other animal we have the ability to decide who we will be with beyond the need for reproduction reasons.
We test LD50s and everything on animals and then apply them to people, the same goes for bateman's principle, you think a 1000-1 reproduction ratio doesn't have a huge effect?
Your reply is nonsense, but you if prefer to group yourself among the lower species such as a fruit fly be my guest because your reply pretty much sums up your intelligence.
Any species, regardless of how intelligent of a life form they are, will exhibit this pattern (or something similar) if there is any difference in reproductive costs between the 2 sexes.
Just so we're clear, I don't agree/support the thread posted in any way whatsoever. But it is true. (No I'm not the bottom 80% of men)
The worst is that the young chicks don't even know what attracts them. They're clueless. They have this ridiculous gap between what they say they like in a guy, and what they actually fall for concretely.
They don't know what they actually fall for, because they fall for vague things. Like what emotions a guy can make a girl feel during a conversation. That makes a girl fall in love. Mostly, girls can't even explain their own emotions, so they don't understand what they fall for.
Shower 1st. Hair looks great just out of the shower. Kinky dirty talk or act like a slut in private... foreplay. Say something like "I'm off all day tomorrow & I'm in the mood for some fun tonight... if you know what I mean." someting like that. Make physical advances to me like playing footsie or brushing against or gripping my crotch. Strike my hair or ear while holding my other hand is a good one.
In college campuses 80-20 rule is a fact. In smaller campuses it's 90-10. I mean alphas (people on this site hate this term) do emerge in tribal societies and college is kind of like a tribe only. This may not be true in real world but these 20% men go on to have unshakable confidence which helps them with women in real world also.
Thats because in college there are a lot of guya who dont tey at all. Like they spend all there time on there studies. My dad is a engineer and he told me he always felt jealoua of the liberal art guya cause they had a lot of time to waste. He was moat of the time in doors studying. Only time he went to parties was in the breaks. He flat out just didn't have enough time.
Well I've seen plenty of guys who manage both their studies and social life. But yeah what course you're in can definitely decide whether you'll meet a lot of hot women or not.
I think everyone goes for the top 30% of the opposite sex, it's just that guys are more likely to agree to sex with anything with a hole than a girl is to agree to let someone in her body lol
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