Why can't girls be attractive and smart?

[BruceP235]

As an young, attractive guy born into a wealthy family I've had the oppurtunity to travel the world and engage with thousands of women, based on these experiences its safe to say that no matter where I travel to girls fall into two major categories:

A) Girls who immerse themselves in fashion, makeup and all things appearance oriented, they tend to be great to use for sex, but once the makeup has dissapeared and you realise they can't hold a conversation on anything that isn't celebrity related there's really no point in sticking around, they tend to get by until their looks fade in their late 20s in which case they have nothing left of value besides the ability to bear children.

B) Girls who focus on their personalities, they tend to be more academic or interesting but this is often to compensate for how unattractive they are, whether it be from them being overweight or just generally ugly, these girls tend to achieve more than passing a hair/makeup course but are better to have as friends or just ignore completley as having sex with them is out of the question ( i do not want ugly kids).

So my question is why can't girls be both attractive and intelligent? It seems guys have a much easier time managing this as you see the amount people who are in power, wealthy or are able to do anything useful (e. g. inventors, engineers etc.) are 99% of the time males.

How can we get more women to not just marry one of these men but become one of them without sacrificing her looks or body? Is it even possible? Are girls physically unable to be as intelligent as guys? What do you think?

[Hexxus]

Generally speaking I believe this to be the case because society tends to pander attractive women. All a cute girl has to do to survive is walk into a bar or club and she will have a line of needy guys who put her up on a pedestal because of her looks alone.

These guys will by her drinks, meals and in some cases provide her a place to live and eventually marry her (thus forfeiting 50% of their assists).

These guys also tend to do a lot of talking while trying to impress the girls, so the girls really never have a need to develop any type of social skills.

There have been studies done that indicate attractive women are also more likely to get out of speeding tickets and be found innocent when put on trial.

So in short, being waiting on hand and foot by most of society attractive women have no necessity to develop any real world skills... the world is theirs for the taking. That is until they reach their mid to late 20s and their sex appeal takes a step decline.

Since that was all they really ever had to offer, they end up nothing more than unattractive middle aged women with no real value to offer anyone who all wonder where all the "good guys" have gone. The lucky ones would have duped someone fairly wealthy guy into marriage by this point and are ready to run off with have his assists.

Ugly women are like men. If they want something in life they are sure as hell going to have to work for it.

[CincinnatiRedsfan]

Actually, a girl can very easily be attractive and smart

The problem with you (and many other people I talk to), is you think there is a universal perspective on attractiveness. I've said it before and I'll say it again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Your definition of "attractive" may differ from mine or anyone else's. So basically, you need to rephrase your question to: "Why can't girls I FIND attractive also be smart"?

Of course, the word "smart" is ambiguous to an extent. Some people are smart in school but incompetent in real life. I don't think a "nerd" is automatically smart.

From my experience, it's the opposite: Most of the girls I find attractive are smart and most of the girls I find unattractive are anything but smart. I think the whole "ugly girls are smart and hot girls are dumb" notion derived from movies and the media in general.

[BruceP235]

Beauty is certainly not in the eye of the beholder, thats often said to people who are not attractive but feel bad if told this straight up, there are objective standards to beauty with regards to symmetry irrespective of culture, age or time and place in history.

[CincinnatiRedsfan]

@Asker Actually, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder, so you're wrong again.

There are people who PREFER obese people, while there are also people who prefer medium, thin, curvy, etc. There are also people who prefer blondes, brunettes, gingers and so on. The point is, preferences DO VARY, whether you want to admit it or not. There are SOME extreme cases, where as Channing Tatum and Megan Fox will be found attractive by most people, and a deformed person would be found unattractive to most people, but these extreme cases are rare.

Myself is a great example, some girls have told me I'm attractive, while some have told me I'm not. It's all subjective.

[BruceP235]

Perhaps you misread what I said, there are objective standards to beauty but these can be offset by your own personal characteristics such as your own levels of these traits, your location or culture, however the fact remains beauty is indeed objective.

[BumbleSuperBee]

Hmm funny... we could say the same thing about guys and we could categorize u as well but hey, apparently women are smart enough to know how dumb it is to do that cuz we know that all over the world, in every country, there'll always be all kinds of people: the smart, the dumb, the handsome, the ugly and any of those combined.
You must be either insane or blind since u claim to have "travelled the world" and not met a smart attractive girl. You have obviously been looking for them in the wrong places, probably in a bar, club, etc..

Just a few things u should keep in mind for a successful life:
1. Being wealthy doesn't make you smarter
2. It does not mean you're better than everyone around you.

Oh, and have you tried, I dunno, going to college? Or is the idea too pointless and meaningless for a 'rich n smart' guy?

[BruceP235]

@BumbleSuperBee

I understand what you're trying to say but as I mentioned earlier there is a huge disparity in gender with people who are "successful" or in positions of power, males are by in large able to manage both attributes well, speaking from statistics not just opinion.

Standards of beauty and intelligence may rise or fall depending on how much of these attributes you have within yourself e. g. someone who is ugly will not attract Brad Pitt, however they may find a mate who is of comparable ugliness/intelligence and unconsciously "settle" for this person as they know that it's probably the best they'll get under the circumstances.

With regards to my wealth, I am very grateful for it and that's why I have started a small charitable organisation to help children with terminal illnesses as I believe that giving back is extremely important.

[BumbleSuperBee]

Good to know you're doing sth useful in your life.
(and with ur wealth)
Well, Brad Pitt found someone as sexy and kind and smart as him so no need to worry about urself. You'll find your Angelina ;)

[Cmasterson]

Ofcourse it's human nature to judge people as much as we try not to, all though I think your categories are extremely specific and perhaps you're looking to put these girls in categories.

I however disagree with you, I am not tooting my own horn- I think I am fairly attractive AND intelligent, too many it depends on what you see intelligent as? Academics? Street smarts? etc. I admit when I was younger I did care about my looks more than I did school, but school came naturally to me, I found myself not having to push myself as hard as others. Perhaps SOME women would rather not work their ass off to be an inventor or engineer etc. I myself am in school studying engineering- so I think it's hard to just say that there's only two types of women, but to each their own right?

[BruceP235]

I would say that you fall into category b) you seem quite intelligent, but your body fat levels seem quite high for someone your age, you also may have low-self esteem as you are not showing your face which leads me to believe you may not be what I consider to be attractive.

[BumbleSuperBee]

I think @asker should find a new hobby other than dividing us in these two categories and probably concentrate more on his education. You don't seem that smart considering what u just said.

[Cmasterson]

Okay great, but I'm not asking for your opinion. my body fat? dude i'm 5'2 and petite. I'm not trying to justify what I look like to you, I purposely try to remain anonymous on this site for obvious reasons hence the picture. Your picture isn't clear it's black and white and you're trying to show off your body... is that really the purpose of this site? It's not Match. com Then again, you're not everyones taste either so quit trying to make females feel inadequate. @BumbleSuperBee you're absolutely right.

[BruceP235]

@asker I apologise if I have offended you, that was not my intention, I was merely speaking about my own personal tastes, you seem like a kind intelligent person with a lot going for you and I am sure you will go on to do great things.

[coolgirl19]

lol dont u love it when uneducated, unattractive men try to make women feel bad about themselves and diminish them to "baby bearing creates" or " just good for sex" fuck off dude no wonder you've never even had a long term girlfriend and you're 24

[Hippieswithchains]

I think you are just not looking well. Yes, I've only had a few friends who were attractive and smart females. Usually I choose smart, but they exist. It's not a unicorn phenomenon. It would be arrogant for you to call me dumb, I am one of t he smartest people I've ever met. truly. And noone has ever said I'm flat out ugly nor do I have any sliver of an idea that I am. I may not be the most attractive person, but I'm not ugly. I think the problem is in the person looking. I have had to choose between intelligence and looks a few times in guys. So maybe it's a perspective thing? Or maybe sexy and smart isn't the kind of girl u attract?

[BruceP235]

I won't comment on your attractiveness as I didn't come here to hurt peoples feelings, I think that because you are still young and maybe have not seen as many places or met as many people as myself you may have a skewed perception, this will correct with time.

[Hippieswithchains]

I think that because I have seen less it is an even greater statement. I have met less people yes. So shouldn't it say something that I know
a handful of intelligent and attractive women and girls whereas you dont.

[BruceP235]

@hippieswithchains What I meant to say is, as you're younger, attractiveness and intelligence are relative, based on the people you know, there is higher chance you will consider someone to be attractive or intelligent as you are drawing from a small sample size, as you meet more people your standards will increase as your sample size does.

[Anonymous]

Based on all you are saying, proves to me you aren't intelligent but rather ignorant and cocky due to your wealth. It is evident that you believe you are better than others when it is clearly not true. If YOU have learned anything from school, it is you cannot inherently categorize people into two subjective categories since the human species is as diverse as it could be. As per your attractiveness, I dont see it and your low self esteem is also evident b/c of your arrogance and your "filtering" of your profile pic.

[Anonymous]

Looking at your question and, more importantly, your comments I'm going to guess you've this question in order to troll a group of impressionable and susceptible people.

Well done.

I'd suggest you come back to your post in a few years time, see what you feel about you said. Maybe you'll be all right with it. If you are I suggest it is a sign of some sort of personality disorder, you should probably talk to your (inevitable) therapist about that. An aside: do you have mummy (mommy) issues?

Should you wish to think about the idiocy and misogyny of what you've said now, rather than in the future, I'd suggest you think about why you have the advantages you have and how sustainable they are, versus your inability to see the assets of the fairer sex.

I'm not talking about karma here, I don't believe in that. You obviously think your own looks, intelligence and wealth will continue to give you a sustained advantage throughout your life (assuming they currently do) and thus you don't have an issue vocalising your judgement of others. I'd probably assume though, based on what you've written, where you've written it and how you've written it that you're no ivy league scholar. Well your academic standing won't improve from here. A better example though, that I think you'll like, of natures tendency for the world to self-correct is the fact that family wealth lasts three generations on a median basis (look it up). I'm guessing you are G3. Good luck.

[gemini888]

I am attractive as well as intelligent and creative. I don't know what kind of woman you have been meeting but there are defiantly attractive as well as intelligent woman in the world. In fact, I find this question to be unintelligent. There are many woman that can create their own life, make their own money, be independent, smart and beautiful without needing a man by her side, myself being one of them. So to answer your question, woman can be intelligent as well as attractive, maybe you just have not found the right woman yet.

[Littlett25]

I'm laughing because my mother is a respected business woman who gets a lot of attention from guys. Not just for looks but from her amazing personality.

[BruceP235]

It clear that you obviously care about your mother a lot, which is great, however I'd like to highlight that when we care about someone we tend to ignore their negative traits and exaggerate their positive attributes, its hard to be objective about someone when you know them personally.

[Littlett25]

I'm just stating what other people told me. Of course I can pick out negative characteristics about her but we all have flaws.

[BruceP235]

@Littlett25 Of course no one would say anything negative about your mother to you in person, as I said before its generally hard to view people you know personally in an objective light.

[Littlett25]

Oh I know some people don't like her lol. They are people she has had to fire, reject, and people who are jealous. I said III could pick out her flaws. That's not your original statement though. She is successful & smart. People who don't know her and have barely met her have asked her out. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Of course she has negative atributes, who doesn't.

[AEMTGuy]

@Littlett25

You: "my mother is a respected business woman who gets a lot of attention from guys."

I can see where you get your looks from because you are hot

[Prof_Don]

The problem is that you are stereotyping the attractive, feminine - dressed, feminine-acting women not being very smart.

This is a big mistake.

Women that are brainy, on average, don't feel the need to flex their brainpower nowhere near as much as men do. To be honest, there is little social advantage for a smart woman to flail around her braininess. It pays off better to act in a classic feminine fashion, then to mentally show off.

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Don't fret, bro. Many guys make the mistake of the woman in a miniskirt and heels with full makeup, that behaves in a feminine fashion, as not being smart.

Hopefully u don't make that same mistake anymore!

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#ProfDonForAdmin

[Rapunzel2490]

Just because you've dated intelligent ugly girls, or shallow as hell barbie dolls doesn't mean we're all like that and fall into one of those categories. It's the same bitching some women do when they say ALL guys are the same because they've been played. Perhaps you should questions yourself on why YOU aren't able to find a decent catch, when there are plenty of successful couples out there.

[FakeName123]

Because young and attractive girls get through life often on the merit on just being young and attractive. I don't think they even realise that they get many things just because of that. Therefore they lack the drive to work on other parts of their personality (which then will bite them in the ass if they get older and their looks wither away).

The not so good-looking girls need to work on their other qualities and thus tend to seem more intelligent simply by the effort they take.

[Mesonfielde]

That means you're looking at the wrong place. I've seen some pretty hot girls in Computer Science. Not too many girls in Computer Science because people classify programming with "something that men are good at and women find boring", but some of them are still attractive, and quite a few tends to be smart!

[BruceP235]

This very well could be due to stockholm syndrome, you tend to elevate what you see is attractive or intelligent if your options are limited.

[Mesonfielde]

But that's not the case, I see other girls around the school, it's just that the ones in finance tend to seem a lot dumber

[BruceP235]

@Mesonfielde Perhaps as you branch out into the world and have opportunities to meet more people your perception of what is attractive will be more objective, as based on what you have said your feelings are very much skewed towards your geographical location.

[Mesonfielde]

... I base physical attractiveness on whether I become infatuated with someone based on their looks or not, and not just based on where I am, thank you very much

[BruceP235]

@Mesonfielde Certainly I agree that appearance plays a strong role in attractiveness, however whether you are consciously aware of it or not you base your standards of beauty on your own levels of those traits as well as other factors such as geographical location and availability. Who we consider to be the most attractive is based on the amount of people we have met and is, thus, relative.

[Mesonfielde]

Actually, I won't try to refute that, because it's true.

[sobg71124]

Girls are generally not able to match an educated well-traveled man intellectually. I have the same problem. I would love to have a woman, with whom I can engage in any given topic. But, she is yet to be found.

[YazanAA]

I strongly disagree with this, you said that you traveled around the world and never saw a girl who is attractive and smart in the same time, and I say that I haven't been outside my small country yet, but I have seen a lot of attractive smart girls.

[BruceP235]

Generally people who are not intelligent themselves are unable to decipher whether someone else is intelligent, this could be why you have come to this conclusion.

[YazanAA]

ummm based on this "logic", this is why you have come to your conclusion too ;))

[BumbleSuperBee]

The only unintelligent person I see here is you @asker.

[Mustachekitteh]

I guess you only attract either A or B.

Their out there just maybe your not looking in the right places.

I would have to say I must have a certain level of attractiveness and intelligence to have caught the eye of my current boyfriend. lol

[BruceP235]

I think your last statement is a great example of what i was speaking about earlier to another lady, as we all know not all of us can be in the top 1% in terms of attractiveness and intelligence, which is why we as human beings have developed an evolutionary coping mechanism so that you will unconsciously settle with someone who isn't necessarily objectively attractive or intelligent but rather someone comparable to your own levels of those traits.

[Mustachekitteh]

I don't know about that because my boyfriend is like a 10, amazing athletic body, and extremely intelligent. Plus he won't give any other girl a first glance because to him he doesn't care. Some girls have tired to talk to him but he just ignored them. Gave short blunt answers and kept on going. His family isn't rich at all but his skills with programming stuff is awesome. Above anything else he can't stand stupid irrational people. Plus he never settles for anything when it comes to people. Either you are what he likes or your not.

Even extremely hot looking models don't look attractive as in wanting to date. Meaning their face. Like with your picture sure your body looks amazing and your not to bad in the face. Still to me your cute in the face. Again that's just my opinion to someone else you might look extremely attractive in the face.

[llorando]

Women are attractive and smart, the problem is, cause their attractive people assume their stupid which most of the time isn't ture..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzkO3Ao2Oz8

[Anonymous]

Maybe you're just not as attractive as you think you are, and so the only females you attract are the ones you mentioned. Attractive and intelligent girls do exist.

[Imagirl___]

Shots fired

[hazal21]

Well said girl 👍

[DaniaMQ]

EXACTLY!! :D

[blondfrog]

I have met a few chicks who were smart and hot, but the downside when they had these two elements were either that they were already taken or they weren't interested in me there are at least 3 billion other women out there considering the human population is 7 billion.

[Anonymous]

hahaha, you clearly did not go to university then. lots of smart and beautiful ladies there. you seem really full of yourself too, try getting off that high horse. I dated someone like you, your arrogance is a huge turn off.

[BruceP235]

I don't want to come across as arrogant, but I am indeed attractive and wealthy, however these two traits were given to me at birth, I am extremely grateful for my wealth and appearance but I'm not necessarily bragging about them, I thought it would be relevant considering the question I am asking. There is a fine line between arrogance and confidence, I believe a confident person does not bring other people down, this is why I consider myself confident, not arrogant.

[Opinion Owner]

omg, are you my ex by any chance? He always considered himself ''middle class'' and took every opportunity to highlight that :D you are bringing other people down though, specifically girls, when you say that they're either smart or attractive, never both. Maybe you should explore your own flaws, you'll have less time to dwell on other people's... you seem to have a very one dimensional personality

[BruceP235]

Well I certainly do not consider myself 'middle class', but with regards to hurting peoples feelings I am speaking from objective standards to both beauty (symmetry, body fat etc.) and intelligence (i. q.), therefore my intention is to start a dialogue and not to hurt someones feelings, unlike you I have not personally attacked your character as I do not know you personally, I refuse to stoop to that level.

I apologize if I have offended you in any way as this is not my intention, I merely would like to start a dialogue on the subject at hand.

[Opinion Owner]

Your proposition isn't correct though. It just isn't. I go to university in London and there are so many smart girls on my course who are also stunning! In school, the pretty girls were also very smart most of the time because they didn't want to seem like airheads, so they put in extra effort and always got the best grades. Not all smart girls will be pretty and not all pretty girls will be smart! That's life, but what you said was very ignorant. If what you said was really true about traveling and seeing the world, you would have a mind that is way more open than the one you seem to have judging from what you wrote.

[Opinion Owner]

Also, we live in a very patriarchal society, where women were and still are oppressed in many parts of the world.

A 100 years ago it was illegal for women in the UK to vote and go to university. Equal opportunities for both sexes are very recent changes. In some parts of the world, voting is still illegal for ladies and going to university serves the purpose of finding an eligible husband. There are plenty of smart women in the shadows or behind the scenes of great men throughout history.

[BruceP235]

@aliceinrealworld01 This is a great point, Women are invaluable and without them humanity would cease to exist, one thing that I have always wondered is why didn't these Women in oppressed cultures/times realise their power and band together to fight for these basic human rights that were stripped away from them? Was a lack of action a result of a lack of intelligence or could other factors be at hand?

[Opinion Owner]

they're just conditioned to be a certain way. The beliefs that they're raised with are what is normal to them. They don't see any other way of life. They don't feel oppressed, they're used to it and it's a normal way of life for them. They don't realise the power that they have.

[BruceP235]

What cause the break in the cycle? Why is this happening now as oppose to a few hundred years ago?
What do you think has caused women more recently to become vocal about their oppression

[Luv2run]

I don't think I've ever met somone as sexist as you. Fuck off. You think you have both? What the fuck. Everyone has different opinions on what they find attractive, you have a very ugly heart.

[Luv2run]

Oh and since there's only two categories in your small brain. You're category B. Too ugly for sex.

[ThatBritishLad]

Tali'Zorah vas Normandy exists.
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[nert73]

Your ego is the problem. Don't blame the girls for the fact that you're too picky.

[VonHoffer]

Girls can be smart and attractive. Both of the girls I dated were SUPER attractive but they didn't know what the word "love" really meant.

[Ulyss]

I've met many attractive smart women but most of them had crappy personalities:/

[LovesTVDx]

I'm too dumb to read all of this

[BumbleSuperBee]

Thiss^ XD