Do women let some men get away with more (SEE DESCRIPTION FIRST) and treat them differently?

[Anonymous]

1. Would some guys get fast sex and others an innocent persona. Do women mirror a guy who is charming/gentleman?

2. Would some men be able to talk dirtier/more degrading in bed, e. g. "Suck my c**k you slut!", "Beg you slut!", or have rougher sex (doggy), pull hair and have her take c*mshots on her face etc?

3. Given this description, what about the following situation?
THE GIRL = sweet and cute type of girl. Generally innocent in public. Has a lot of fun with people she knows. Outgoing, pretty, very nice. One ex boyfriend, se Asian heritage grown up in uk. 1 ex boyfriend.

All guys meet her when she has a boyfriend, and she is now SINGLE.

Meets Guy 1 at uni. They naturally hit it off. She really loves the way he speaks. He impresses her with his fun attitude to life and he's just different. So nice in a real way (genuine) and someone who is sweet as well as being charming and confident. She keeps in touch after graduation. Flirty, but didn't overtly hit on her during the boyfriend period. Unsure how to tell his attraction since he mostly complimented her character versus looks. Both admire each other. Sweet text rapport, remember things about her. Attractive (works out and handsome) gentle man who is subtle and suave. She poses with just him arm wrapped on waist/back, as well as in groups. She kept in touch (meet up and texts) having emigrated and now moved back.

Meets Guy 2 at an after work dance class. In your face and brash person. Objectifies women a lot e. g. posts pictures of him and the girls in the social circle on fb and labels it "likeaboss, with hotties". She has posed in group photos with him too and clicked like. Can be fun, but no bond. Lots of group text chats and blunt texts/fb chats if at all. She poses with him arm on shoulder as well as pouting in groups of girls at group meets. Makes physical compliments to her and every girl all the time. Lived for 2 years in his country, just left, no sex to him.

* Dirtier sex, different behaviour or let one treat her differently?

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4. What about things like the lady moaning "I'm a dirty slut!" in bed?

5. How she'd pose in photos and with whom?

I once again state, please READ THE DESCRIPTION. The question is broken down into bullet/numbered points and I am asking about these specific points and the example in the description.

If you wish to help, discuss, then please feel free to opine by relating to the points in the actual question, not parroting generic material from somewhere else please! Thanks.

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6. If a guy or one of the guys in point 3 said to a girl (or the girl in point 3), "Nice, but all I can think of is my dick in your mouth", is he more likely to be given sex or is a sweet, respectful and attractive guy more likely to?

7. Would a sweet innocent, but still fun girl be more likely to be sexual with a great attractive guy friend, or a brash social circle guy and if so where, at the backroom of a party, or at her place?

8. How does guy 1 make a move/get sex and still be friends?

[Anonymous]

Ok you asked me to answer this so I'm trying, but I'm not sure some of your questions make sense.

1. I'm not really sure what you mean here. If you're asking would a woman have sex with some men quicker than others, not really. We tend to have a rough idea of when we'd like to have sex with someone. As for the mirror question, no. Our personality is what it is. I wouldn't act different around different men.

2. No, most women would hate that kind of thing. Some people might tolerate it if they had been with someone a long time and felt comfortable with them.

3. As for the guy1 and guy2 question, no. She would prefer one of the men over the other, but I couldn't guess which as I'm not her. A lot of it is down to the chemistry between 2 people, which you can't predict. But again, no I don't think she'd accept behaviour she didn't like from either of them.

4. If a woman does that, it means she probably likes it and it turns her on. She probably does it whoever she's in bed with.

5. There's no way I could possibly know or even guess at that.

Basically the relationship between 2 people is down to how they feel about each other and how they act around each other. It's kind of impossible to predict.

It sounds like you want to know how to get a woman to have sex with you quickly/be dirty in bed. You're going about it all wrong. You need to find a woman who enjoys that kind of thing herself, not try to 'trick' someone into doing it who wouldn't normally do that.

[Asker]

Thanks, good answer, I can clarify if you're unsure! So:

1. I see, I mean some girls here are saying they would act less innocent around a guy who is a loudmouth even if he is less sweet and even less attractive than the suave gentleman guy friend? I like your point.

2. Got it.

3. Right, as for the description of the sweet girl and the two guys themselves, what do you make of/explain her behaviour with each?

4. How would say guy 1 flirt/be intimate with her now she's single? Say she just moved back to his country and has been single for a year?

Was just asking the other questions as an addition. More interested in the perception of those two guys by a sweet girl (she's described at the start of point 3, feel free to ask for clarifications) and since they met her when she was in a relationship, and now she's single?

[Asker]

Can you help me out?

[Asker]

What did you make of my points back to you?

[Asker]

Please any points on what I said? You actually seemed to answer properly?

[Anonymous]

Your obsession with dirty sex and this one girl does not seem healthy... you have to have 30 posts about this. You say your a great guy but all you seem to be concerned with his degrading her during sex...

She's had one boyfriend so she's super picky and probably dates for the long game, probably wants a guy who sees a life with her and doesn't feel obsess over the need to degrade her in bed. Doesn't sound like she'd be into being friends with benefits. My guess is neither 1 or 2 is her type from what you say but 1 doesn't sound far off from 2... he just doesn't know how to get what he wants and sounds jealous.

Also it sounds like you watch entirely too much porn.

[Asker]

What? Sorry, did you see my description, there are 3 numbered points, can you answer in points so we can relate or discuss more easily?

As for the 1 boyfriend, sure I get that. She is a sweet girl. The fact is though she does seem to have a rapport with guy 1. And also act fun around various guy friends. I'm not talking about degrading her. It's about how she might act (innocent versus less innocent), pose and talk in public. And then enjoying fantasies in the bedroom. But the question is broken down into parts, easier if you answer each point 1, 2 and 3.

Do you think both guys are the same? Explain her behaviour with each then?

[Asker]

What do u make of my point?

[Opinion Owner]

I've answered you in so many of your other posts already... I took you seriously at first. You keep posting the same thing and not even with any new details about her or the other guy, just you keep sounding better and better.

[Asker]

Well ask what you want to know and I can clarify. And help if you can

[Opinion Owner]

I already have the 35 other times you posted the same thing.

[Asker]

I'm not sure I understand. Well can you explain yourself here? I'd appreciate some advice from you!

[jailbreak]

Depends on the woman actually. A more outgoing fliratious woman would more than likely link up with the same type of guy, people flock to others like them naturally. A shy/quiet or less exp girl will more than likely not feel comfortable around a dirty-talker as she feels that he will use her and destroy any reputation she may have. Therefore, a shy/quiet girl will want to link up with a guy that is more "genuine" to her. Someone who will act as a good buddy and may throw SLIGHT compliments at her. This guy has a higher chance of dropping her defenses and earning enough trust to have a sexual encounter. A flirty girl with a flirty guy shows a different approach. With flirty women they have defenses too but to knock down that defense sometimes you will have to be flirty too as she may take this as genuine... pretty much letting her know what you want. Some people appreciate that more, but i tend to see that more from aggressive more exp women. However, most women will always be attracted even sexually to the guy with nothing to prove. Shows confidence and that is more sexy to a woman than almost anything else. You can talk/flirt all day but in the end you need that attraction for any encounter and the best way to do that believe it or not, is just be yourself, try to match things to her level and let her get curious enough to come to you.

[jailbreak]

For example, I met a lady from brazil, very beautiful, out of my league so to speak, at a train station. I asked her about a book she was reading, never complimented her and gave her my number. She texted me. We hung out and i noticed she was a little more aggressive. I dressed up in a polo and slacks and sunglasses. We sat down and talked about... politics and individual goals. Only a couple hours later, going back to the train, she asked me what i would do if i met a girl drunk at a club, would i f*** her if she asked. I said no, (lying), because i dont take advantage of women. A week later we had sex. I ended up flirting with her more down the line before the sex because she basically gave me the SIGNS, such as her initiating it. Don't suggest anything until SHE shows the signs first. This will keep you looking interesting to her and prevent any more defenses being put up against you. Let her lead, you just follow.

[Asker]

Where have you been oh wise man! Thanks, you seem to be a very polite and knowledgable fellow. Just been reading through your answer and it contains some very interesting points.

With regards to the shy/more innocent girl, say she is like the girl in point 3 above, who is also fun at times, are you saying a genuine connection by being you is the best way forward? I like your brazilian story, dude that is awesome and I wish more ladies gave clear signals like that. How for example would you describe the interactions of the girl in point 3?

Additional info being that she emigrated out to guy 2's country with her boyfriend after graduating (she met guy 1 in the last year of uni). A few year's later and becoming single, she's moved back to guy 1's country. Kept in touch etc as described above and a catch up may happen soon.

How does guy 1, being a gentleman, genuinely being good, complimenting qualities, and admired by her, a bit more subtle/suave than in your face get perceived and act now?

[Asker]

Any thoughts

[Asker]

Please your thoughts

[purerock]

To answer to Jailbreak first. I think it depends in your situation. Latin women have a different thought process. Now a days people are more open to have quick encounters. I had a situation similar to yours not that long ago. To be more exact 4 months ago. I think if i would've tried the same things probably a few years ago, hmmm who knows it wouldn't even worked. Yeah i never told the lady, "oh you are so beautiful". But after texting and calling she invited me to her apt and sex happened. I think it is because time changes people. How long ago did you meet this lady? Is she still around? Mine, i'm just giving her time and eventually i'll see her again, for how long? I don't know. Hopefully until it last man.

[Asker]

@purerock Answer mine pls, it's my question!

[Asker]

Doesn't help me, pls answer my points about MY girl

[purerock]

I don't know dude. I mean, if you pretend to be somebody else to fit her profile, most of it will go to shit. Just be yourself, if she likes you fine if not then go for the next one. Life is to complicated by itself you don't need to make it harder. If she likes your personality then little by little you'll see how she will open up to you on the way she would like to be treated on the bed. If not then, it would be up to you to ask those questions eventually.

[Unit1]

1. Some are able to drag pussy easier because of looks, money, status and other factors.
2. Some girls are into it, some others are not. It really depends. There is however a common pattern with Christian Grey it seems.
3. Maybe
4. As far as I know, some women are into it when the man labels them dirty whore during sex.
5. How she posed? She moved herself with her legs to a guy's proximity and simply posed.
6. M-a-y-b-e. If she is a dirty cheater, then yes, she will give it. The likelihood is not applicable here. The boyfriend just should make sure to make her feel wanted physically, emotionally and sexually.
7. Depends on the girl. If she is smart enough to avoid jerks, she won't. There are women out there, who know it. If she is a degenerate and associates herself with low lives, she would let herself ruin at the backroom of a party.
8. Friends with benefits aren't easy to establish, so I cannot help you there.

Conclusion: It all depends on the girl. I would take a wild guess out of my rear, that 50% of women are into these kind of things like the man dominating them and them being submissive.
Then consider, that people are likely to be degenerates. If they know what is good for them, they set boundaries.

[Asker]

GREAT reply! Ok so:

1. Ok, so it's not to do with say being more respectful and having good traits means that you don't get sex faster and any guy who is less good in terms of characteristics gets her being more slutty, receiving cumshots on her face?

3. Could you explain her behaviour with each guy based on the descriptions?

4. Sure, it's just who would she say that with?

5. No, I mean check the descriptions and explain the differences in posing in point 3.

6. There's no boyfriend here lol, she's single. For this point I meant with a single girl and a guy who said that versus a guy she knows and is genuinely smooth?

7. Right that's great! So in point 3, with the girl we have, how would she perceive guy 1 given how they met and now she's single what can happen and HOW?

8. Ok, say the girl has moved back to guy 1's country, kept in touch the whole time she was away and catch up is soon, what to do?

[Unit1]

1. This is only applicable to women with no morals and no self respect. Any decent, straight and single girl, who is looking for a relationship WANTS to have a respecting boyfriend with nice characteristics. It's just those stupid girls, who let themselves be wrecked by jailbreaking thugs. A decent, straight single guy, who is looking for a relationship does NOT want the latter type.

3. I cannot answer that question but rest assured, the girl has her own kinks in sex. Many guys for example like ass. I don't. I like boobs the most. Same with the girls. Some want dirty sex and some want "clean" sex. It has nothing to do with her appearance or personal traits. The sex preference is completely irrelevant here.

4. With anyone she has sex with.

5. I don't understand your question.

6. Depends entirely on the girl. Refer to point 1

[Unit1]

7. That depends on guy 1 and the girl. Whether he makes a move on her, whether she is interested in him, whether they are dating. It's all about the matter if she likes him and attraction and nobody but her knows.

8. Communicate? That's it. Communicate. Find topics. Find something to have a chat about. Keep it nice and in a good manner. Avoid using bad words unless she is cool with it (but it's unlikely). Last but not least: Treat her fair and as an equal. Have respect for her and do not invade her personal space unless she does not show signs of discomfort.

Again, these advises you are taking from a 21 yr old virgin, who never touched a girl in his life (other than cashiers hands on various markets) and never had a girlfriend.

[Asker]

1. Yes that's a good point. Ok, so a sweet girl would look for someone with good characteristics. What I was wondering though was a girl who might be sweet, but not wanting to date. E. g. a guy who is a good guy and isn't up for dating would still want to sleep with a sweet girl right. So how do sweet women liase with their boyfriend material counterparts possibly from within guys they know?

3. Ok that's great lol, but I was asking can you explain the behavior of the girl to each guy based on the description provided above?

4. Ok.

5. Explain how she poses with each guy and what it means (read the description of the sweet girl and Guy 1 and Guy 2 above)

6. The girl described in point 3.

7. Yes I mean given the girl met both guys when she had a boyfriend and now she is single. How she has kept in touch with each is described. As for guy 1 making a move, the girl has just moved back to his country and mentioned catching up (they kept in touch by text) soon?

8. Same here, so as a virgin, how to

[Asker]

8 cont. spend that first time with that sweet girl he knows now she's single?

[Unit1]

1. I don't know but you can still try to lead it into sex by parties or "inviting for a coffee".

3. No, I can't. She is in full control of herself.

5. I have no body-language or signal reading skills nor do I plan to improve them. They are just way too inaccurate and misleading for me to consider studying.

7. How she perceives guy 1 is by asking her or having someone else ask her about guy 1 just to be sure.

8. Read again. Communication. Show respect and avoid bad words.

[Asker]

1. Ok.

3. What? I'm asking what do you make of her relationships and interaction/behavior with each guy from the descriptions of those 3 people?

5. You don't have any thoughts at all about the description? Hypothesise?

7. That doesn't make sense. You wouldn't ask someone else, you'd perceive someone on your own? How do you think she would see him (guy 1) by how they met and the description of their interactions?

8. He does show respect, but how do you ensure a girl knows you like her and if you already know each other as in this case, how to ask her out, become intimate etc? And still be friends

[Unit1]

3. Nothing?

5. Yep.

7. As I said, I wouldn't know because I am not her. The only way to find out is to make yourself find it out.

8. There are 3 categories of a "relationship" with a girl: Friends, Friends with benefits and relationship. You cannot have more than 1 of these.

[Asker]

Dude you haven't answered anything lol. You seriously expect me to think you have? What has the three categories of friends for instance got to do with what I asked you.

Read the questions again and answer if you actually know something, otherwise it's pointless me having to restate the question yet again.

[Asker]

Disappointing

[Unit1]

Your question initially was confusing already and the more you asked, the further confused I was. I took it as a challenge to prove myself.

I did all I could. I gave you all the answers I could.

[Asker]

In my reply, I clarified what I want you to know. All you would have to do is read my replies. You haven't done what you could if you could read. And all you did was like a flaky woman, not reply lol.

[xyzfdg]

Can't post links but look up "Alan Roger Currie" on YouTube & take your pick as he has hundreds of free videos (he also has 4 ebooks/audiobooks) - search a topic & start learning he IS the type of "bad boy" you were talking about, but with a strong emphasis on ethics (straightforward honesty, developing unbreakable confidence, etc.), along with a Master's education from a top business school (meaning he has the ability to not only understand concepts, but articulate, explain & teach them VERY effectively).

[Barrabus_the_Free]

Absolutely.

If she thinks you're hot, you can get away with anything. She'll also put out on the first 'date' (hangout, whatever). Even better if you're assertive and genuine (not ACTING like a tough guy, asshole, whatever, but just being who you actually are, unless you actually are a timid little mouse of a beta... fuck I hate those Greek alphabet terms but it conveys a lot of information in one word, rather than a thousand, so fuck it, I'll use them sometimes).

The first guy has gotten himself a one-way ticket to The Friend Zone, if he's lucky. If he's not lucky, she'll keep him in mind for after she hits The Wall and needs a chump to settle for.

The second guy will be able to take her to Pound Town when he wants, as often as he wants, damn near WHERE ever he wants, raw-dog, and no hole will be off-limits.

The second guy is the guy you want to be.

[Asker]

1. "absollutely" - ok so you're saying a hot guy can get away with anything. Surely it's subjective tho right, in the same way not every guy thinks the same girl is "hot". I agree on the fake alpha thing, you have to be genuinely you and an attractive confident person.

2. How is the first guy in the friend zone though. He works with her in a group project, so it's awkward to make a move on a taken woman. He is still suave, flirty and confident. That's attractive is it not. He happens to be a genuine man. Now she is single, so how is he perceived and what can he do?

3. The second guy didn't make her to pound town though did he. (Did you see above the description). Explain her behaviour toward him

4. How is the 2nd guy preferable, surely guy 1. He's confident, attractive and respectful as well. And flirts with her, not every girl making it meaningful. Guy 2 is only giving physical compliments but to every girl, making them cheap? And clarify the no holes and who can get dirty sex?

[Asker]

Also

5. The degrading talk, who can talk like that in general and with these guys too. I think you missed the part about guy 1 being a confident suave guy lol, i, e. a genuine man.

Pls reassess

[Asker]

Answer in numbered points like I have for ease of reference if u can. I don't think you read the description as I stated in the title.

[Asker]

Dude anything?

[Asker]

You didn't read the question

[Asker]

Well

[Asker]

DID YOU EVEN READ?

[Anonymous]

Isn't this very simple? Will you treat girls of different personalities differently? I know I would. If a girl is basically whispering in my ear what she wants to do with me the second we' are alone and another girl is being all fun and sweet I am obviously not going to behave the same even if I like both.

Mirroring other people is a very natural response when we like someone. And yes it extends to sexual expectations too. I can remember starting one relationship with basically laying our kinks on the table. That relationship had a very different start for how sex went.

[Asker]

Interesting. I dunno, I'm not sure I would. I would only get to know and flirt with a girl I like. So even if some girl threw herself at me and was in my face, I wouldn't be sexual with her and act innocent around a sweet girl who I do like. In fact I've had attention seeking women who think they're hot and I found repulsive throw themselves at me and I acted cold back and maybe only posed in a group for photos. With the sweet girl who I like and who is actually hot, close pose and try to be flirty.

I get your point on mirroring, but from the descriptions above in point 3, can you explain her behaviour with each guy?

As for points 1 and 2, thoughts?

And with point 3, how could 1 guy make a move now she is single given how they met

[Asker]

If it's simple, your thoughts on my point?

[Opinion Owner]

You're just asking for too much on my part mate, that's the issue :P

[Asker]

How do you mean lol. I'm asking about point 3?

[Opinion Owner]

You're asking for an essay. Its just a little much for me to invest in ^^

[Asker]

It'd be interesting though! I mean the info is above and I can clarify. And you're the one who said it was simple haha.

Please, you'd be helping all men kind here

[Asker]

Any snippets then to respond to my point. Especially point 3, if you just read point 3 and respond to that one. What I'm asking is a view on the behaviour and relationship with each guy based on the clear descriptions of the 3 people. And then what guy 1 could do to make a move

[Dim_121]

It all depends on how she see you and how things go before you get her to bed. Honestly though you sound to obsessed with how dirty you can get a girl and it is not health to think that way. She will either open up and do it or you will have to ask her to try and realise herself more.

[Asker]

Yeah I get that, how do you mean "how she sees you"?

And point 3?

[Dim_121]

Ask her out and see!

[Asker]

Can you explain her behavior with each guy?

When you say ask her out, how would you suggest

[Asker]

Well?

[Asker]

Points 6-8?

[Bandit74]

Yeah it happens. Women aren't going to nessesarily behave the same way with everyone of her partners. So yeah, they may be sluttier or have sex sooner with some guys than with others. It isn't an exact science but I think a lot of it depends on where she is in her life, and how much sexual chemistry she feels with the guy.

[Asker]

Interesting. All right, can you refer to points 3-8 above please and give your thoughts

[Asker]

Well?

[Asker]

HELLO?

[Bandit74]

I give up.

[Asker]

You barely tried lol.

[Bandit74]

I'm a lazy fuck 😣

[Asker]

Seriously bro, I'd appreciate some help

[Bandit74]

-I am not going into specifics scenarios. I stand by my original answer.

Part of it is how strong the sexual attraction and chemistry is between her and the guy. This isn't just looks tho, it also includes things like charisma, and the conversation dynamic. Some guys are just better at getting women to open up sexually.

Part of it is how likely she thinks it is for the guy to judge her.

Lastly where she is in her life. Like maybe she already went through her wild phase and now she wants to put that side of her in the past.

[Asker]

So explain what you mean.

1. How strong the sexual chemistry is. Ok so, how if you are charismatic and you have a great conversational rapport, do you get an innocent girl to open up sexually like the sweet girl?

2. "How likely she thinks for him to judge" - How do you know whether she thinks you won't? So if you're a cool easy going person she likes/admires?

3. Where she is - maybe she hasn't been wild at all yet lol. How do u know and encourage it? This is about a girl who wasn't single when u met her and now she is?

[OjosOscuros2]

Yes, if she's interested in the guy, she will be okay with him being more flirty. Personally, if I found out he was the player type then it turned me off, so I would quickly set boundaries for that person.

[Asker]

Interesting point! Also funky avatar haha. Right so you're saying she will be more open if she is interested, but how does the guy know?

Can you answer the points in the description pls (there are 3)?

[OjosOscuros2]

Lol my eye is funky :(. 1. Yes they mirror the guy, but I don't know about the fast sex part, that depends on her morals. 2. I guess it depends if she likes that kind of dirty talk/stuff. Some people find dirty talk unattractive. 3. Sounds like she is interested in guy one, and I would keep talking to him if I wanted something serious. Guy 2 sounds like a player type guy which is a turn off and I wouldn't mirror his behaviors. Some girls are different though, they may be a little looser with men and they find that type of attitude a turn on. You just have to get to know the girl well to know what type of girl she is.

[Asker]

Yeah your eye is funky, like from some movie.

1. Ok, so they mirror the guy. In that case, how does a good guy (confident and respectful) have her being wild with him in private and more loose/less innocent in public so he knows she is interested?

2. I understand. So for instance, she wouldn't say things like "I'm a slut!" in bed with one type and not the other? And what if hypothetically a girl ended up in bed with both on different days and each of them said "Beg me you slut!" would one turn her on?

3. Excellent point! Right so you're saying guy 1 has the better chance then. May I ask why? So is the fact he is a good guy something that she would signal she likes by being less innocent and flirty with him? Can you explain her behaviour with each guy from the description?

[OjosOscuros2]

1. Maybe the guy has to be more forward with her, but if the good guy all of a sudden turns into a wild guy then she may be put off by that. She'll be with the good guy because she wants to be respected more than likely.
2. She wouldn't say that if she wasn't into it to either guy. If she's not a slut then she won't say that at all. Only girls in porn or prostitutes say that stuff, but that's not normal. If she's a good girl, she's probably gonna be a good in the bedroom.
3. Guy 1 has a better chance because he seems more respectful and someone she can relate to, possibly have something serious with. Guy 2 is interested in many girls and isn't the serious boyfriend material, he doesn't treat her like she's special to him

[Asker]

The eye that knows all haha. Nice!

1. I see, so how does guy 1 subtly be more forward with her to have her being a little more wild around him? She is sweet, as is he, but both of them are fun people, just more innocent in public I guess?

2. Interesting, so if a guy said something like "suck me you slut!" in bed, it wouldn't matter which guy said it? I mean even if you're good, guy or girl, you could be kinky in the bedroom right?

3. I see, great! So for guy 1 is he someone she'd like to be intimate with even if she's not up for a relationship with anyone right now. Could guy 1 somehow go on a date or dates with the sweet girl and how would he suggest it given say she just moved back to his country and they haven't met up for ages?

4. I agree on guy 1 treating her like she is special. Could you provide your opinion/analysis of how she acts to each in person, texting, posing from the descriptions above?

[OjosOscuros2]

1. You could start flirting more, maybe hugging her and touching her waist. Make sure she's comfortable with that, some girls don't like to be touched.
2. You have to have that discussion with her prior to having sex. You have to see if she likes that stuff or if she's willing to play along with you.
3. Yes, she may not be ready to think about that but when the timing is right she'd be ready.
You just ask her to hang out like old times to catch up. Send her a message to see if she's interested.
4. I don't know how she acts because I dot know her. People only show you a version they want you to see but that may not be who they really are. There could be endless possibilities.

[Asker]

1. Hehe, I mean I already did those things from the beginning. So I always hug her around the waist. How do you mean touch her waist in general, how do you do that other than when you're posing or hugging?
2. Yes I understand that. It's just some people say you just say things and a girl is turned on or will then act dirty. So it's not the case of some guys who are boyfriend good material can't say it, but a jerk could right.
3. Great point. I mean it's difficult to explain. They may not be each other's one, but each finds the other attractive/special, what can happen. Can they still be great friends for life if he values her. How would he know if she wants to be sexual?
Catching up wise, I checked in to see how she was, she replied enthusiastically (albeit 2 days after for some reason), and said hope to see u soon. I replied and asked when she's free to take her for a meal to catchup, still waiting 6 days? Normally she texts immediately? But was still excited?

Cont

[Asker]

4. I get what you mean, yes, could you hypothesise on the actions/behavior from the description above? If you need any clarifications I can provide them?

[Asker]

Anything oh wandering eye?

[Asker]

Help?

[Asker]

Well?

[Asker]

HELLO? ANYTHING?

[Anonymous]

Of course! If you want the girl to be sexually open and adventurous with you, you need to attract her SEXUALLY. If you go about trying to attract her by displaying your "wouldn't I be a great boyfriend?" qualities, don't be surprised that she's up for more vanilla sex.

[Asker]

Haha so:

1. You're saying sexual attraction is key. So how do you do that and show you don't judge?

2. What about the degrading talk, what would a girl do.

3. With each of those guys, in the circumstances they had, (to clarify guy 1 met her in a coursework group and kept in touch after graduating) how are they perceived. Explain her behaviour to each?

4. Now she's single, what can guy 1 do if she's moved back. Also never slept with guy 2.

[Opinion Owner]

1. What do you mean by "show you don't judge?"
2. What you think of as "degrading" she may think of as "hot" lol!
Not sure what you're asking in the other 2

[Asker]

1. So show her you are open to being sexual and don't judge women for being like that too. Given she is a sweet girl and you're a sweet guy.
2. Yeah I think of as hot as well lol. But obviously you can't know that just from looking at someone.

3. Read the description, and point 3. I'm asking given how she met both guys (when she was already in a relationship), how were guys 1 and 2 perceived. And after she becomes single and has been so for about 10 months, how are they perceived and can you explain her behaviour with each guy from reading above?

4. Given she never slept with guy 2, and just moved back to guy 1's country, what can happen and HOW, what should he do?

[Asker]

Well?

[Asker]

Bro well?

[Anonymous]

well its all about finding people with similar passions/perversions. when you put 20 strangers in a room, "magically", the similar ones will start to attract and form companies. its the same with different partners. also the human psyche is a very sensitive and plastic thing, it can be molded to ones liking if he knows what buttons to press.

[Asker]

Lol I like the moulding analogy. Ok so how do you do that with a sweet girl who you met like guy 1 did?

Are you able to answer points 1-5 above? It'd make it easier to discuss if you can answer in numbers! So I'm looking for a view on those questions and the girl and two guys

[Opinion Owner]

1) yes some guys would get almost instant sex. a quicky in the club's bathroom etc. but these are very few men and these are specific women. not ALL women would do that, no matter who you are.
2) yes but the psyche is dynamic. just because she is not using dirty language today in the bedroom it doesn't mean she won't use it tommorow. also perversions have a downward spiral effect. its like narcotics for the brain. you get desensitised and you need bigger and bigger thrills and perversions to be satiated.
3) as for this girl, i know some tricks as an ex master, but i won't give you such advice. i left my dark past behind, and i advise you to stay away from darkness as well. it will consume you and your beloved ones.

[Asker]

Great!
1) Right so why do they get it? Ah ok, so you're saying that certain sweet girls wouldn't do that right. I'm not sure the girl in the example would be that type tbh.
2) Ok, so what I meant was if a guy just started using it in the bedroom, would she permit it or only certain guys to use that, make sense? As for spiral effect, tbh I think it's ok, used in moderation it can add effect. Any sex would need to be a mix right of romance etc

3) Haha, I'm not trying anything dark, what I mean is can you hypothesise or analyse her behaviour from the description?

4. Can you suggest for guy 1 how to make a move now she is single? And be friends after as she really is a great person?

[Asker]

Thoughts

[Opinion Owner]

dude practice makes perfect go meet some girls. three words. emotional abundance. positive energy. good listener. these are your friends.

[Asker]

Yeah that's kinda obvious. I am asking about point 3, what to do now

[Anonymous]

Some women definitely let some men get away with more and treat them differently. I guess it depends on how close you two are, past experiences (both good and bad), the circumstances, etc

[Asker]

Yeah that's a point. So is it down to who is good? With regards to the 3 points above what do u think? Feel free to number them it might help,

[Asker]

Pls help

[Asker]

Point 3 pls

[Asker]

Well?

[Shawn58]

Yes they do , especially if they are interested in you in some way

[Asker]

Lol, you have to read the description as is clearly stated in the question title!

[Asker]

Well?

[Anonymous]

It depends on the women and how she is and her level of attraction to a guy.

[Asker]

Yeah I kinda see what you mean. Can you address the numbered points pls, that's why I put See Description!

[Asker]

What do you think on point 3 for instance?

[Opinion Owner]

I'll do the other points later. I'm at work. But regarding 3, sounds like it's the lady on the streets, freak in the sheets scenario.

[Asker]

I think point 3 requires a bit more haha! I tell you what, when you finish work can you take a look please!

[Jasmine992]

I'm not answering that 🙈

[Asker]

Point 3 though? Can u analyse?

[Sexlover555]

I've never done any of this I don't know

[Asker]

Ok hypothesise, you seem smart. Especially point 3. Analyse it.

[Sexlover555]

Girls hate manners and gentlemen in America I hate how polite British people are

[Sexlover555]

So don't do that if you want her to be sexual

[Asker]

She's not from the us though. She's uk.

What do u make of her behaviour with each guy?

Given how they met, how to be sexual if you're guy 1 and she's now in guy 1's country?

[Sexlover555]

If she's Asian she might like guy 1 more than the other one

[Sexlover555]

White girls like asshole guys Asian and Middle Eastern girls like more mannered men Asians are very submissive during sex I've heard

[Asker]

Are they really? Wow that's awesome, I'll bear that in mind.

1. Right so why would she like guy 1 more? Explain her behaviour with each and I can clarify the description if you like?

2. How does guy 1 make a move/have sex if she's been keenly saying she's about to live in his country again and then just moved back (haven't seen each other in 9 months and she's been single for 12)?

[Sexlover555]

Make up something bad about guy 2

[Asker]

Which question are you answering, 1 or 2?

And what's the point. She has left his country?

[Sexlover555]

I thought she was going back my bad

[Sexlover555]

How are gonna bang her in the first place I don't get

[Sexlover555]

You*

[Asker]

What don't you get?

If you read the two separate descriptions under point 3 you should understand everything?

[Sexlover555]

I did it didn't mention anything about sex I flirt and text with girls I meet all the time

[Asker]

I asked to explain her behaviour given her description and how she interacts with them.

Additional info: moved away from guy 2's country and back to guy 1's country having finished her work assignment over there. Never had sex with guy 2.

Does that help?