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Guys like these talking about being 'love shy' because of the most ridiculous reasons. None of them are good looking or successful in any way, that is why they are incel. Why can't men accept this?
In my opinion, these guys would very much be able to look average or above average if they'd just start taking care of themselves. Cut their hair, take care of their skin, work out and buy some new clothes. Basically what almost every good looking guy out there is already doing! Come on! Good looking guys take care of themselves and have a happy outlook on life, THAT'S why they get girls! If you don't even TRY to take care of yourself and be happy with who you are, then no wonder nobody likes you more than you like yourself. This cold, self-pitying, self-hating attitude is not helping them either. In fact, I'd say it's the main reason why they're so unsuccessful when it comes to dating. They have this dumb mindset, like "if I ask out as many girls as possible, at least one is bound to accept". Wrong. It doesn't matter how many girls you ask out. They will immediately sense that you're insecure and cold in reality, that's why they're blowing you off. They will immediately sense that you've approached a lot of other girls the same way you're approaching them right now. They're not necessarily rejecting you because you're unattractive. If you were a genuinely happy, outgoing and secure guy, you'd have a lot more chances to get a date. Girls notice when you're faking it, and we notice when you're saying the same thing to all of us over and over.
Am I the only one who thinks that the guy who said he's been rejected 3000 times seems kind of proud of it? Like it's some kind of achievement, something to brag about? This is exactly why they're so unsuccessful. They're setting themselves up for failure without trying to improve, making them seem oh-so entitled to getting girls when their efforts are pretty much nonexistent. They WOULD be successful if they started taking care of themselves, they WOULD be successful if they started changing their attitude towards dating, women and themselves. FACT.
Not a fact at all. I've seen tons of below average looking guys get dates and girlfriends because they are fun to be around and because they take good care of themselves. If you already take care of yourself, then your attitude is the problem. And it really is, because I don't feel like you'd be a very fun person to hang out with. Don't blame your bone structure on your poor personality and your insecurities, because I don't see what the problem with your appearance is. It's in your own head.
not an opinion at all* lol.
You can't possibly know that every guy would be succesful if they did those things. Therefore it cannot be fact. Its not something you can prove. Its not a fact.
Also what is my real name? Where do I live? What school did I go to? These questions should be very easy since you know everything about me.
The main problems with my appearance is my recessed asymmetrical jaws and my big nose. These are on my face, not in my head.
Okay, I'll put it like this then. They'd be MORE successful than they are now if they put some more effort into taking care of themselves both physically and mentally.
But see, not everyone cares about how symmetrical your face is or how big your nose is. Think of it like this. Whenever I've had a pimple I was really embarrassed about, I've told my friends something like "ugh, this pimple is annoying me to no end" and they would reply with "really? I wouldn't even have noticed it if you...
... wouldn't have pointed it out."
Same with your facial structure. Almost nobody pays attention to details. And the ones who do and judge you for it are shallow, and obviously not worth your time anyway. Letting such things bring you down is unnecessary, since people don't even care/notice half of the time. So yeah, it's mostly in your head. You make it worse than it is. And yeah, it's normal, I do it too sometimes. But then I realize that literally nobody cares about it more than you do.
Again, the ones who do that are shallow. Newsflash: not every girl out there is shallow like that.
Besides, how do YOU know what THEY'RE thinking about? :) You just made it clear that I don't know everything about you, so how come you know everything about them? Yeah, that's why I'm saying it's in your head.
Or you know, they just didn't like the way you approached them, what you said, what impression you gave off, you caught them at a bad time, they're not interested in relationships right now etc etc etc. There are TONS of reasons why a girl could reject you, and not all of them are because of the way you look. Some of them aren't even because of you lol.
Because guys who are good looking generally have the privilege of being more successful in terms of dating. Why are you even taking online dating seriously? I'd say people are more shallow online, because they can take a look at your picture and then compare it to all the other guys who've also sent them messages. In real life, they can only compare you to past men who've hit on them, and they probably don't even remember all of them or even have them as an option anymore.
So really, if you want to be more successful, work on that sh*tty confidence of yours and get out there. Don't make your life revolve around the internet and what people judge you for on here. People can be so "brave" and mean behind their computer screens, and if you eat up everything they say about you, your view of reality will be twisted.
No. Online dating is nothing like real life dating. Online people and people in reality have different views about who you are, because the people online create an imaginary, mental picture of you in their heads, while people in real life have a more realistic view of who you are.
Your social confidence is obviously not completely fine since you keep beating yourself for the way you look, and the fact that your looks "hold you back" because "nobody wants an ugly guy". People can see right through your confidence in real life, no matter how well you try to hide it. This is just basic human psychology.
You can't possibly compare the way you feel about your drawing skills with the way you feel about your looks. The way you look is out there for everyone to see and judge you for. Drawing, however, is not. So the way you feel about your looks is a lot more serious and a lot more damaging to your self-esteem than your drawing skills are. Self-esteem issues are what brings you down, no matter how you put it.
Not all of them are, and not even nearly "most" of them are. My friend used to have bulimia. It made her distance herself from her friends, including me, and she refused to even go out in public because she thought she looked so horrible. So yeah, true anorexia and bulimia does damage your confidence and the way you interact with other people socially. But it's nice to know that you know exactly what that's like. :)
No, but you claimed that "most" of these girls are popular and outgoing, when I'm pretty sure that those who REALLY suffer from anorexia and bulimia have a much harder time coping with it both mentally and socially. The girls who you refer to are most likely just posers. It was a poor example. And I know that not everyone who dislike their appearance let it get to them. You're just proving my point. People who are insecure about themselves can still get dates. As can ugly people as well.
i COULD NOT PUT IT BETTER MYSELF. Q&A THIS GIRL HAS VERY GOOD POINT. WHETHER YOUR UGLY OR HANDSOME, YOU CAN GET A DATE. I have some seriously guys get some really attractive women, and ones that I could only dream. why don't guys get women at all, maybe there approach to life and women in general just absolute stink. If you a negative attitude towards women in general, well you are just going to give it off to every women you speak to you, and write to on dating sites.
The mind is everything! if you believe you won't get a women, then you won't get one.
say you have 2 'physcially unattractive' men as you call them.
same age, same height
one finds a woman, one doesn't [dont think, yeah waterer, just wait:P]
one is therefore happy, the other miserable.
now a series of events like this could very well happen. BUT...
The difference between the two is that one of them took what society was telling him like a real man AND he did something about it. could have changed up his look, could have tried something new... and don't say no one can't be changed to look good? have you watched the biggest loser?
the other dude, on the other hand, also took what society threw at him like a man, but he just let it be. I doubt that you accepting this makes you feel good in the process. you automatically see yourself as out of the league of every girl you would want. what is that? why so much negativity? if people tipping the scales at almost 500 lbs and have knocked on the doors of suicide can walk away from that door and get their life back on track [mind you none of them were brad pitt or megan fox] then I don't see why anyone else should 'accept' the bullsh*t of 'these types of guys can't get a girl'
some girls have a good head on their shoulders and they actually know what they want? I mean, does anyone here still think theyll look sexy when their 65 as much as they do now? hell nope-.- looks fade, personality stays.
anddd I rest my case.
Just because obese people can lose weight to improve their looks it doesn't mean everyone can make huge improvements. You aren't realising that those people were only ugly because they were very unwell. What about people like me who are perfectly healthy and still ugly? What can I do?
As for 65 year olds looking worse... of course they do, they don't compete with 21 year olds though so it doesn't matter. Some 65 year olds still look better than other 65 years olds. That's what matters.
U completely missed the point of it lol, but anyway, even if your healthy I'm sure you hav ATLEAST one good feature that you could use as an asset.
You made out that anyone can massively improve their attractiveness, the only ways I could do that are plastic surgery and steroids, which I'm sure you'll agree are quite extreme choices. If you think there is another way feel free to point it out, chances are you can't think of one.
well yeah I did and I stand by it. As AudiR8, its not just looks that could make you undesirable...its a combination of things which just make it harder and harder for a girl to become attracted.
and I bet that's not true... plastic surgery and steroids? really? don't b so pitiful bout your looks man, you talk as tho your hideous or something=/
and 'chances are' that I can. focus on one asset bout you that is good. jus one, then work around it. and lol don't tell me there's not a single one-.-
yea I did. oh yea iv seen you before. well maybe you could ditch the beard or bulk up a bit I dunno?
and I didn't say you need to change your personality lol I said maybe there are ASPECTS in there that could be altered. that isn't changing the entire thing=]
ok I have an idea.. if you want more opinions upload a pic of you with no beard and keep the ones with the beard.. then post a question and say which do you prefer? bread or no beard?:P maybe that can boost your confidence a little...
as for steroids, honestly, if it helps you get a higher testosterone level, do it, but temporarily until you get at least a little bulk on u. jus use it like a kick start kinda thing because once uv got more bulk in there itll b easier to gain the rest.
hope that helps
I'm already 100% certain I look better with the beard, so nothing would be gained from that question.
Steroids will halep raise my testosterone considering steroids are testosterone. Although its actually easier to put on muscle when you first start than once you've already put some on, so the only way to continue to progress would be repeated use, likely with gradually increased doses.
well this is funny lol...
if you already know all this, then why aren't you doing it?:P
well your not giving yourself any other alternatives?
yeah but like even when I listed things they didn't work for u... there aren't that many options that you can resort to..=/
Because being unattractive may or may not be the real reason. You, for instance, are above average lookswise, but your attitude is defeatist. Internalized self-hatred generally ruins relationships for males and females, because there that anger often comes across as sullenness, bitterness, rage, etc. Fear of the opposite sex, severe social anxiety, other kinds of anxiety and depression issues really hurt our abilities to find a mate. (I have an anxiety disorder myself, so I know how much it f***s with you). Unfortunately, a lot of the issues start in childhood, so our distortions seem so normal that we don't even know that we're wrong in the way we see the world and ourselves.
Also, many unattractive guys and gals find mates. Generally, with each other, if they don't have strong showings in other categories. But that doesn't mean they're miserable because they aren't with the most attractive people.
I was having trouble streaming the video, but I personally know plenty of guys who look like Michael who have a steady stream of girlfriends. Are they generally manwhores? No ... though if they have a really good sense of humor, they sometimes are. But they often have girlfriends, if they're well adjusted and happy.
I'm only single because of my internalised self hatred and defeatist attitude? Why can't I even get dates then? How do they tell I have those traits instantly on meeting me?
Furthermore and most importantly, why can't they see those traits when I'm using someone elses picture for online dating? And why does this massively improve my success rate?
Looks. Its all about looks.
Body language. Also, using dating sites at your age isn't as successful as using it at younger ages. The main reason older people use them is because their natural social circle dwindles due to work & family commitments. The people on them younger "may" be less likely to be looking for an actual match. You're an attractive guy... So it's definitely not your looks. I wouldn't lie to you about that. I don't know why you can't get dates, but looks shouldn't be the problem.
*That should be that dating sites aren't as successful at younger ages.
The second one is a good photo. The first one gives off a young/effeminate vibe because of the way your head is tilted, especially when paired with the furry coat.
Your profile pic is OK, but you do look really shy because of your posture, the way you're smiling and the hand in the pocket. If you can find someone else to take pics, instead of selfies, that helps too. Selfies are rarely our best photos.
We live in the digital age -- you can delete any that aren't right! I understand it can be uncomfortable asking someone to take a photo, though. At least try to dig up a cheap camera with a self-timer, so you can get farther away from the lens. I honestly find your looks to be attractive, so I don't think your looks are the problem.
To find out whether women are attracted to a man's looks (such as height) or his social status, one thus needs to look at cases where the two are dissociated.
And the answer is appalling:
As a man, you can literally look like a gnome and score girls that make most men salivate.
What about the opposite? Just go to a club and compare the insecure guys, liquid courage in front of chest to the few men who actually talk with women. Does their tallness matter?
Women are not attracted to tall men. They are attracted to high status males. It just happens to be that their chances of a guys being of high status are disproportionately increased if the guy is tall. Thus, if women are robbed of the means of evaluating a man's high status (by checking his body language and response to sh*t tests), they will default to anything that correlates with these things. This is why showing photographs of guys is such a poor way to evaluate female mate preference.
As a guy, you can train yourself by trying to see the world through a woman's eyes. Judging each person's status, as communicated by body language, at any moment in time will give you the power of perfect predictability of which men are seen as attractive by female consensus. It will reveal to you what it is in you that women respond to positively as well. For women, realizing the above is not quite as hard as for men, but still helpful when seeking an interesting man.
Mankind's success and doom relies on how well we understand our own motives and actions.
You are given what god gave you and you must work around those parameters in which you are given. Sex appeal is not only about looks though, the superficial people that cares all about looks are people hat are not worth dating so that is there one problem. The second problem is that because they have not had success and blame it on their bad looks they have low selfesteem and low self confidence, nothing stinks worse than those to when it comes to dating. Lastly, the most fatal flaw they have is reaching too high too soon, what I mean is, they expect to get the best looking girl in the room; you have to start from baby steps. One must become friends with people to build confidence that they can even talk to people, and then they need to date girls not as attractive and work their way up. Confidence is built over time it just does not spring up in one point in our life. A 5 can date a 10 if they have the confidence and the sex appeal of their personality.
seen it with my own eyes nothing is impossible
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It's difficult for ANYONE to accept that they are [generally] unappealing to the opposite sex.
Looks are the first thing we notice about people and it's inevitable that we are all judged upon our looks. But with looks, it's a constant battle because people are well, constantly looking at you and judging your worth and value on appearance.
A lot of women have a hard time accepting that their looks may cause them difficulties in dating. You have the girls who blame their small breasts and small butts on why they're single, as opposed to blaming their faces. Then you have overweight women who find it hard to hear and accept that guys generally don't prefer or like overweight women.
It's not just a characteristic of men.
Anyways, sometimes it's not about looks. I mean, it could be posture, the way one approaches, the mannerisms one has, body language or how little they show interest. Some people like to think that they're doing everything right in their approach, but that tends to be what they're weakest at.
While looks cannot be changed, the way one approaches men/women CAN be improved and worked on. It really takes some reflecting and honest though, on behalf of oneself.
Anyways, I digress.
I would agree its not only looks if someone has genuine social disorders. There isn't such a thing as being good at approaching people though, you are either normal or abnormal. You cannot convince someone to be attracted through you from your approach, I will concede you could put someone who was attracted off though. If you don't have diagnosed social disorders its likely a lack of physical appeal.
No, you can't convince someone to be attracted to you. But you can make them think of you as unattractive. An approach takes more than not having a social disorder
I am so happy that a guy FINALLY posted the truth.Women are just as visual as men...and that changes if they become dead inside because they just want a man to ..."take care" of them. Men don't think about their appearance like women do,and its highly unfortunate because they walk about looking sloppy and not taking care of themselves because they are only thinking that money/possessions will STILL get them women.In some cases YES...that is TRUE...in other cases...HELL NO.
What's really annoying is when guys claim that they're "nice" guys and that women don't want the "nice guys" and yet these women complain.That is one of the most idiotic statements ever.Being "nice" and actually being attractive to the point of me wanting to tear your clothes off and do all sorts of nasty things never to be told to anyone are two VERY different things.If I know that I put effort into my appearance (working out,eating healthy,pedicures,manicures,body scaping),ass well as effort concerning my career,why the hell would I want to try and sleep with some unattractive dustbag when I KNOW I can get better.Get the EFF out of here!
If a guy is unattractive,I can't even pretend to sexually get a rise out of them,or feign interest because there is NONE.I wish that more guys would realize that they probably aren't getting any attention from the ladies because they look like "batboy" or some other creature.Or...they simply are not the type for that specific girl.But allowing yourself to look sloppy should be enough of a sign that they may end of dateless for a while.
I'm glad someone agrees with me. I really don't think men and women are that different and most of their supposed differences are the result of social constructs rather than biology. Apart from the obvious physical differences.
I agree some men and women look bad through their choices but I don't think that is always the case, men like me look bad because they have the wrong face and there isn't much I can do about that.
Guys don't think of their attractiveness because they aren't conditioned like women are to solely value their worth with the opposite sex on their looks. Women are taught from a very young age that pretty girls find love, have a nice figure, be a lady, wear make up be demure. Essentially pretty much every Disney movie especially"The Little Mermaid" great lesson don't speak get a man. Whereas men are taught focus on your own success the more success you have the more women you have. That is changing somewhat but men believe that women can be bought and they can be (prostitution and gold diggers). A man's looks are always the last thing on his mind when it comes to relationships aside from maybe being fit, they don't worry about their amount of pubic hair, their makeup, their shoes, their voice, their hair etc. etc. etc. Men are taught that their value and worth are placed on their accomplishments and character (inner traits) while women are taught that their value lies in their waistline and their outer appearance.
Which is why you have men on here complaining about having to approach women, and why women are shallow and don't want to date men without jobs etc. And you have women on here asking about if their vaginal shape is attractive, if their skin color is attractive, how to lose weight etc. It's all ingrained in us from a very young age from the time we learn that blue is a "boy color" and pink is a "girl color".
Yeah, men are lied to when it comes to relationships. The media tells them to be nice guys and buy women flowers. Dating advice (PUA ect) tells them to act like obnoxious arseholes. The reality is you can be whoever you want if you are physically attractive, if one person isn't interested there are plenty more to choose from. If you are physically unattractive you can act like whatever and it won't matter, you'll still be single.
That's not always true, it's more true of girls if anything. Women tend to overlook looks because of low self-esteem due to all the emphasis on their own looks. You rarely see a hot guy with an ugly girl but I've seen plenty of the reverse. I think it really does depend on your approach and probably money. tbh
No, I don't. I've seen it I think a lot of it has to do with confidence and feeling entitled to women no matter how they look. Most women aren't that bold and brazen. I've seen ugly , short guys with average and above average looking women. That's just my experience, pay attention you'll see them everywhere.
Good looking men date good looking women, but good looking women also date ugly men. The number of attractive people isn't rationed off or something lol. Also a lot of really good looking men are gay...so maybe that also makes up for the difference. It's not a perfect world we live in.
So you think there are more good looking women than men? You are surely overrating women's appearance and underrating men. This is quite normal for a woman though, they think 80% of men are below average looking. This is exactly the problem I have, you have to be so perfect as a man to be considered attractive to the opposite sex, whereas women just have to make sure they aren't fat.
That's not true, your that guy that says that all the time on here, it's old. Every time, you say this, that women are underrate men. When in reality it's the opposite. I like rugged guys so it's not like I'm asking for a super model, just a rough and tumble guy I like heavy burly guys too. Everyone is short here I feel too tall at 5'6. You want women to lower their standards so you can get a date, yet if there are so many married women, how are ugly guys single? In your theory. It should match
The "evidence" your life isn't "evidence, I know you want everyone to pity you or something, because women have such 'high expectations'. It's not about being ugly, it's about trying. If you don't want to try I doubt there will be any success. But you are entitled to your opinion, and you want to believe this wholeheartedly but as a woman, I feel your wrong.
So..a graph is evidence of the way all human beings work? Should I believe what a scientist says versus my own day to day experiences. FIRST of all attraction isn't a "science" there are things such as the golden ratio when it comes to attractiveness. But no one can say that women have too high of standards this is all subjective and it's pseudo science at best. I'm glad that it comforts you, but I disagree. I think I know more about my sex than you do. I'll agree to disagree.
Its a normal bell curve, seems like you are making something out of nothing. Just calm down about this. Women care more about the inner qualities in men than attractiveness for a lot of women attractiveness is an afterthought. So it's kind of like a chart on men about women's economic success, it may look the same, however it's really an afterthought for a lot of women.
I don't really take statisting from a commercial datin website to heart but that is just me. It supports your theory though, so good for you. The fault lies with you though, you can't tell someone that their perception of attraction is "Wrong" or "Off" because it's simply subjective. It's like saying your favorite color is too "slutty" or something. Makes no sense because I am entitled to have my tastes as are you. It's subjective there is no right or wrong opinion, only facts can be right..
I'm not saying they are wrong for thinking I'm unattractive. I'm just stating that they do. I'm also saying that this is the same for many men who think they are unable to date for other reasons. That is all.
You could also say I'm questioning the point of existence when in that situation but that is beyond the scope of what I want to talk about on this exact question.
Alright, but I've seen women that were good looking with men that are not. So my point is also that it IS subjective not everyone wants a beefcake, or a nerd, or a blond, or a strong jaw etc. People's tastes vary I think Jen Aniston is ugly but a lot of men find her attractive, I don't think Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt are attractive but a lot of women so, so my point is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of girls want to just be treated well, or treated crappily. It depends.
Listen, you are talking to the WRONG person on this I've liked guys because they have had broken noses, big noses. I'm attracted to that. I also like guys that are hairy which most girls don't like. I've been teased because I like guys that are rugged and look different. Look at Adrien Brody, he is so ugly that he is beautiful and he is a sex symbol. I would love Adrien Brody, he makes the best of what he has and there is something sex why about him. You either got it or you don't.
I bet someone finds you attractive, regardless of what you think!
It's not just being ugly though, it's a combination of things all together.. I've seen so many ugly people in relationships.
If you're ugly and you don't dress well, and you have this annoying personality and have no confidence.. then all that adds up and there's nothing left to be attracted to.. you can work on any of those aspects but if you don't know how to, or don't do it the right way that fits you, then you're pretty much screwed.. you can attract people different ways, but if you have all those bad things put together then it's the person's fault for being that way, and not knowing how to change it... you can either try to change something or ask for help... because others can help you change certain things.. but if you don't then you only create a slow self esteem personality which only makes it worse!
wow Kyle! <3 ha ha ;p!
hahahah @ the photo he photoshopped xD it's horrible
it's so funny because he thinks he looks better like that.. hahah xD this guy could be attractive but he's just weird! it's his brain! xD like he "has to" talk fast to seem smart? wtf? xD his way of thinking is just unbelievable! hahaha and it's funny!
I thought the guy with the long hair was actually cute and very articulate. Micheal wasn't ugly either, but he did have warts around his mouth that looked like herpes.
These guys just have extremely odd mannerisms, they have quirks that reflect a disorder of some kind. Especially the guy with long hair, he seemed to have obsessive behavior. I can only guess their lack of enjoyment for social interaction, completely reflects how they interact socially. They more than likely unknowingly say offensive, or off putting things to women, and other people in general.
For example:"Your skin looks so smooth." or "I didn't think your type could do x,y,z."
They may think that they're trying to strike up a conversation, but they could be making people uncomfortable with their strange movements and odd pattern of speech.
yeah, and the comment that they made about women "not being people" isn't attractive either. That's a pretty sure sign that a guy would be abusive towards you, because you aren't a person or valuabl, due to your vagina. Allot of women either sense this, or they simply say things like this to the women while they're trying to ask them out. Usually not a good method to use when trying to date anyone. Even Dom/Slave relationships have respect lol
Yes, two of the men were saying that. IF you read my first response you would see that Micheal still has odd behavior and an odd speech pattern. Example-his reference to throwing himself off the bridge being artistic, and his slouched jerky movements, and long pauses during conversation. And a NSA one night stand, the criteria USUALLY is simply physical, and making the woman feel like she won't be murdered afterward or during. ALL of them have different issues that makes them scare people away.
Well I'm pretty sure that's a hard thing for people to accept.
Many won't get girls because they are insecure due to them thinking their unattractive and girls find that unattractive.
I don't think it has anything to do with these guys physical appearance... Micheal seemed like he has some social thing going on.
The long haired guy actually seemed cold...kind of rude and obnoxious...and encase you didn't notice the way he talked...it was actually kind of creepy.
I don't think any of those guys were ugly.
Urban white trash was physically attractive and so was Kevin...this is only physically.
You think your unattractive? :c
You aren't I thought you are physically very attractive.
All those guys were ugly. I messaged 250 women online, got only 18 replies and no dates. I'm definitely unattractive and I look better than those guys. Look at the guy talking about approaching 3000 women... even if he is a weirdo surely there would be at least one equally weird woman interested?
Why didn't any women have any interest in meeting me then? Considering they did when I used the same messages and profile but with different pictures (of someone else).
Also he isn't good looking. He is basically androgynous and has no masculinity, therefore no sex appeal to straight women.
Shy isn't a problem but those guys in the video are just anal with zero style or confidence. If they built up some confidence, stopped being pretentious about their intelligence and got a make over they'd do fine. Just me, I can't stand the guys that have to bring the nerdy into the conversation or speak in a know-it-all fashion. There's a time and a place for the intellectual, sh*ts and giggles takes priority in social interactions.
BTW you're not ugly. I'm guessing you could build some confidence in order to be more natural but there's nothing wrong with you physically based on your pic. You're pretty good looking.
Since when has online dating ever meant anything? Maybe you should take some time out from pursuing women and focus on yourself. Join and gym or start a sport. You'll improve your body and get the testosterone pumping. Hang out with laid back girls and guys just as friends. You want to get to the point where you're at ease with interacting with women face to face and couldn't care less if they don't like you. Then you'll have no problem getting dates (not online). Get out into the real world.
I already go to the gym and play sport. I already interact with women regularly. The point is none of them want to have anything more than platonic friendship because I am unattractive. Why is this such a difficult concept? I already do those things and don't get dates. You are incorrect in your assumptions.
I'm only 4 minutes into the video you linked and I can tell you that I don't think any of the guys shown so far are ugly. I just think they don't take care of themselves. One guy is shown with incredibly chapped lips, so chapped that they are bleeding. It takes all of 5 seconds to apply lip balm. The guy with the long hair, would be attractive if he got a nice haircut. The guys don't look like they work out at all. They aren't ugly but its clear that they don't take care of themselves.
The guy with the long hair I would date but based on what I have seen so far in the documentary he doesn't seem like a nice person at all. However it seems that he actually has accepted that he isn't a stud muffin.
But that's just my opinion. As an unattractive girl it's probably not worth much anyway.
They are cowards, blaming other people or things for their problems, and this is why they never move forward in life. They always stay in the same spot. As rocky said if you what you worth, then go out get it?. I don't believe no one is ugly, because there is someone that likes you. Anyway its physically impossible for any girl or guy to be attractive to everyone, because not everyone goes for looks, some girls like rich men rather than looks. Etc.
This thing about looks is getting rather boring. A Lot of the time I just don't answer those type of questions. the self pity just doesn't do it for me.
I feel sorry for girls, if anything because guys do only go for looks. Were as guys can compensate by being rich or something to get a girls. Girls don't have a second option. Men do have a lot easier than women in the dating game. I don't care what anyone says the ugly girl has very little chance maybe none. Doesn't even have back up plan, like the ugly guy, just go out and make some serious money. And he had a lady hang off his arms.
What are you basing that on? Women are far pickier than men when it comes to looks. Sure they will date ugly millionaires, but its hardly easy to become a millionaire. Its easier to get steroids and plastic surgery to become good looking. Or if you are female breast implants and a gym membership.
Furthermore ugly girls can get guys. Create an online dating profile for an ugly girl and see the messages roll in.
maybe I contradicting myself there a bit,I suppose there is way round everything. she just can surgery lol. ugly or not, I think anyone can get someone, just put some blady effort into it.
you lack oomph. you give off this vibe of self pity and selfisness like it's all about you you you mememememememmememememememe. Girls will subconsciously feel something about you the moment, they see you on first impressions. One chance and no more.
if you think you're a great person honestly what are the attributes?
there must be something good about you.
Your challenge is how to show girls that you're different from the rest of the guys that are average and are unsuccessful in getting dates. But you have already made a decision by lumping yourself along with them. Self loathing and obsessing about the exterior side of yourself are unattractive traits.
I'm below average looking because of my recessed asymmetrical jaws and big nose. I haven't chosen to lump myself in with the dateless men as I didn't choose my face.
Of course I have positive traits, I don't talk about them because they are not related to my attractiveness, which is what most of my questions are about.
As a guy, the most important factor is being successful. As far as looks, honestly most guys and gals these days seem to think it makes you cool to eschew reasonable grooming habits or staying in shape. It doesn't. It just shows you don't care and people who do take care of themselves don't want to partner with someone who doesn't.
Dating and mating is definitely not that simple. We are our own worst critics and hold ourselves back more than anyone. All I can say is that I see examples all around me of "unattractive" people in relationships or even as players. I have personally been very attracted to guys who had game but honestly were not that good looking. In fact, most of the guys I have dated I cannot say were classically good looking. They did have charisma.
But don't discount women are not all about HOW a guy looks. Personality matters, loyalty, friendship, we look at that too. We might look at handsome guys but if they are shallow they quickly seem ugly and we won't want them.
Sure personality matter too. They won't want a physically unattractive guy though. A good looking guy might be attractive to one in 4 women and get along with one in 5 women meaning he can date one in 20 women, assuming they are single and looking. The problem is I'm probably only attractive to about one in 1,000 women and get along with say one in 10, meaning I would have to meet an unrealistically high amount to get a date. So I'm effectively unable to date, my looks being the cause.
the awkward moment when you are not unattractive. & You think you are crazy for thinking you are. I was expecting an ugly guy to ask this
Explain why women have no interest in dating me then? Why does this change when I used a male models pictures for a fake dating profile? I can get women to agree to dates and give me their number when they think I look like someone else, yet you say its not my looks. I don't believe you.
I don't think you are ugly I actually think you are kind of hot. I just don't write guys on dating sites. I let them write me. I can't talk for every girl but when a guy is ugly to me Yes that is reason for me not to respond back to him. unless his profile makes him seem like my kind of guy. But hey I'm not every girl.
I am not the most attractive dude on the planet and I am not bitching about not being successful in getting a girl. I could care less because that's not the only important thing in life. Plus if I am going to be interested in dating a girl. I am not going to just judge her looks and date her. I am obviously going to get to know them first.
Some have unrealistic expectations and aim too high. Then get hurt, self pity sets in and boom. This happens
Maybe your expectations are too high and you don't realize there's a good with equal physical appearance but you never have her a chance
Why don't you get off the computer and find real women? It's easier. More fun. All you need to do is go outside
If I could I'd be your wing man and help you get laid. But your not persistant enough and you don't look in the right places
What are your hobbies :)
Gym, football (soccer to you), wasting time online. That is all I really have time for considering I work 40 hours a week and study 16 hours a week. I'd consider a hobby that doesn't use up too much time and isn't too difficult to get started at if it was a sure bet to meet interested women. Everyone who suggest getting a hobby fails to answer me when I ask for suggestions though.
You would love magic the gathering(I do it and I love the gym, I'm bad at soccer lol).
If you love the gym then talk to girls there. Ask to spot them or compliment their form. I blush regardless of whoever tells me that I have a perfect squat hehe
No girls where I go squat. In fact only like 3 guys do as far as I've seen lol. At least in the rack, bodyweight squats and these things don't count link Can hardly compliment their form at walking on the treadmill.
If I took up magic the gathering or similar hobbies I would meet loads of dudes and a tiny amount of girls, the competition to be one of the girl's boyfriend would be immense.
Go to a different gym.. Wtf weights are those? P*ssy sh*t! I do 170lbs for my max. A lot of girls do fitness, maybe they just wanna look at the guys there?
Not true. Plenty of women play it. Not all guys are interested in the girls that play and plenty aren't that good looking. My boyfriend on the other hand(see profile) is a wrestler and a football player but HE introduced me to magic. I just got lucky
The gym is always a great place! I will be honest with you I meet my bfs in weird places.. My current one I met 2 years ago at an academy orientation for future leaders. Only special students wanting to go to a military academy were invited. I met him there and we both wanted to go to the same school. So we hung out as friends and it turned into something more.
My last boyfriend I met on Xbox. When I played football I had a huge crush on one of the guys but I couldn't tell him.
So his friend that I didn't kno and met on Xbox comforted me. A few weeks of talking he asked to fool around. I said yes and we had fun for a month until he asked me out. He went to a different school but knew the guy I used to like through sports(he played football and lax).
Those are all the things I love and I'm a girl. I'm sorry not a lot of women like these things.
Maybe the spa? Women like that.. I didn't know how bad I was at this
Its not your fault, its very difficult, this is why I haven't tried it yet. It can't be too feminine (the spa) or they will assume I'm gay or be put off as I'd obviously be there to meet women. I was thinking something like dance classes but I'm really bad at dancing so I'd just make an ass of myself haha!
Yoga?
I think too much like a man I guess
Guys aren't taught their matter a lot like girls are.so some might think it doesn't matter how attractive they are, and may even cite few and far between examples of ugly guy they know with hot gf.
The woman in the attached video link explains it all beautifully! SHE TELLS THE TRUTH!
That's right - get a job - get an education - get some volunteer hours - then stop complaining about it.
There are other reasons a woman would turn you down, besides your looks. To think that is the only criteria we go off of is purely assinine.
How about being a complete jerk, no motivation, cocky . . . If you approach me like your shyt don't stink, you're getting no where. I've no time for prycks who are full of themselves.
Yes I know plenty of women who date jerks, I was referring to MY preferences, since I am a female and you claimed that ALL OF US date purely by looks. I was proving that your statement was false.
That's just not true. 'Less than attractive' people couple up and get married all the time. The guys that get hung up because of looks are either lacking in confidence or they think they deserve a super model. You have to be a looker to hook a looker. If you are a 5, then you fish fof 5's.
The only thing consistent with your problem, is yourself. You're doing something wrong.
I bet you act like a completely confident different person when you're hiding in your room in front of your computer. Please don't try to compare talking to people online to real life experiences, they are NOT the same.
No I think that appearance, although it might be part of the issue, is not the WHOLE issue. I believe there is something else holding you back. Although without meeting you in person it would be hard to say exactly what.
it's not always looks... the kind of guys you are talking about aren't attractive not because "they are too nice" but because they are whiny...
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