In my experience on this site, guys seem to post the overwhelming majority of gender-issues related posts. And I know it bugs the crap out of half the people on this site.
What is your opinion on some of it? (Poll Below)
Personally, I get sick of hearing posts about "nice guys finish last". Or worse, the use of "alpha male".
But others may bring up good points, but it seems like guys can't really discuss it, because it is labeled as whining pretty quickly. These are things like "Why don't girls have to ask guys out?" "Why don't girls have to pay?" In most of these cases, a girl transcending her gender role is 'stepping up to the plate' and is admired because she is doing more than expected. But a guy trying to bring up his grievances about these roles is, 'lazy', 'cheap', 'not a true gentleman', 'not a real man', etc. So it makes it hard to bring this stuff up without it quickly being reduced to whining.
- Mostly good pointsVote A
- About even mix of the twoVote B
- Mostly whiningVote C
- All whining.Vote D
Most Helpful Girl
I feel you.
It's like minorities throwing the race card around, now if we want to have a legitimate discussion about it, white people (mostly) just throw their hands up in the air and roll their eyes. "Ugh, not everything is racism".
I know it's not, but not everything is happiness and rainbows and equality.
I think there are definitely legitimate concerns, as with any movement, but now it's being drowned out by incessant whining.
I literally got called shallow because I said that I wouldn't date an obese stalker. Guys jumped on my case saying that my standards are "too high". Like really? Do you think the majority or average man is some crazy stalker who's obese?
Those are not high standards, they're just standards! Like seriously men, stop lowering yours!
The only thing we agree on is that more women should ask men out and that we should split the bill.
I don't think women have high standards, they're just standards. Men need to raise theirs.1
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Most Helpful Guy
I miss all this drama because I stay away from the sex/dating/relationship/flirting side of the site - I honestly didn't know that happened.
The only place I see gender clashes tends to be in the Society & Culture between the MRAs/MGTOW and the feminists.
It sounds like there could be a bit of fault on both sides - Too much unnecessary whining can be offputting but to shoot down everything including valid concerns seems a bit harsh.
Maybe if there was a less hostile environment positions would become less entrenched as I often say there is a big area of middle ground being allowed to go to waste.1