The Bad Boy, Nice Guy & The Good Guy

[RalphBlack]

Kezia Noble explains in her book, "The Noble Art of Picking Up Women" that there is a difference between a bad boy, a nice guy, and a good guy.

The "Bad Boy"

In the end, the Bad Boy won't be taken seriously because he just wants sex, and doesn't have his shit together. He won't be taken seriously because he's not real, and he's trying too hard to be there after every whim.

The "Nice Guy"

The Nice Guy never stands up for himself, and never makes her wonder if he really likes her. The Nice Guy always agrees with her arguments, and never challenges her.

The "Good Guy"

The Good Guy is real, and is just a nice guy because he is genuine. He still has an edge because he isn't throwing himself out there for her and being an open book. The Good Guy gives her bits of himself to make her interested, and keep her wondering what's next.The Good Guy gets the girl and keeps the girl... unless he tries too hard to be something that he really isn't.

[Azara]

The good guy plays games. Pass.

There's nothing sexy or attractive about someone purposefully throwing you bits of bait. It's condescending and irritating. Someone wants to get to know me or they just want me and I can tell the difference.

by the way. The carefully calculating what to do and how much to toss comes into conflict with the not trying to be what he's not. I think it's all bs. for me anyhow. I know what I like and it's NONE of those. How funny that billions of people can be classified in more than just three skimpy groups of human behavior. shocking.

[Riverock]

Exactly. It's always bugged me that one of the distinction between the "Nice Guy" and the Good guy/man is that the Nice Guy is too open and interested. What does that even mean? Surely if he's being honest he'll talk to her until he doesn't want to or has to leave (or she does), not think to himself "Well that's been 5 minutes of talking, I'll leave so she won't get complacent" or something. How does making time to spend time with someone constitute a sign of weakness?

What is descibed above is just a guy manipulating a woman. How is that good?

Also, I have to ask, what do you like (if none of the above 3 suit you)?

[Azara]

I agree with what you said. There's nothing attractive sbout being manipulated snd three nothing appealing about having to "wonder". I've got better things to do with my time then unravel fake mysteries lol if we're hanging out I guess we like each other snd if not someone's wasting their time consciously which is pretty absurd.

As for what I like honest respectful kind open very open. I've never been turned off by an open guy. It's a turn on. So many prople play games that when someone is honest it's thrilling. And I don't mean honest do you'll like them or want them but just a genuine person.

And I think you made an excellent point about if he's being himself he's going to know if he's got to go. It's not going to be him being desperate hanging on everything or leaving just to keep you guessing but he'll judt naturally go when it's time., and if he stays a little long once it evens out next time. When you're genuine it's really hard to come across as too much or too little

[Azara]

Bc things naturally ebb and flow over time. It's the person playing games or trying to manipulate the situation thst has to worry about keeping count. Life if you have one lol naturally has a way of balancing out.

I like guys who are direct abut but not aggressive just making themselves known and patience is nice. If he's getting attention back then I don't see harm in patiebce... Feels lie there's room to connect.

[Mesonfielde]

Stereotypes, stereotypes everywhere! Generailzations hold no real ground. You just need to be a decent person, which you do by having behavior and values that the other person finds admirable. This of course is fairly vague, but that's all you really know.

[Anonymous]

Don't refer Kezia Noble. She is no role model. She looks like a slut. I mean look at her videos. Just exposing her boobs to get attention. Sickening. My thing is, there are "nice" guys that are like wolves in sheep clothing only for sex. You have the bad boys that are selfish and abusive and women like them. I am considered a nice guy, but I don't do it for sex. I am "nice" and have manners as I was raised properly by my parents (thank god I wasn't raised by a single mom or dad). I mean what's wrong with just being "nice" or doing a gesture or favor once in a while because it's the nice thing to do or because you want to make people happy. I am nice to everyone, but I WILL NOT be stepped on, nor will I tolerate BS from anyone. I mean people especially girls complain where have the good guys gone and rant about chivalry, meanwhile they don't look at themselves. I mean just be honest and look at today. Women want to have "fun" and think about the now. They don't think about the future until it's too late. I just leave them alone and let karma do it's thing and they come begging later. I see it all the time, especially in America and it's a FACT. Statistics in marriage and divorce alone prove this. Whoever disagrees a jut this is lying to themselves and already proves my point. I don't condone people being manipulative for sex or for free meals and gifts. Some nice guys complain because women string them along and use them as a backup option and a therapist then repeat the same thing and go for the bad boy. That's where they are coming from. Unfortunately I mean this won't change anything. I think the nice guys should just stop complaining and just opt out, try a foreign country, or build their net worth. I will say the mind games have partial fault too. It gets really annoying when dating and the merry go rounds. I mean come on! Just be straightforward and don't play cat and mouse or string people. What I hate the most are these "shit tests".
Smh...

[RalphBlack]

She's not a slut. Well.., maybe she is but come on! What are you wanting her to look like? Do you want her to dress all Amish and proper?
I don't think you would listen to a pua

[RalphBlack]

If she was dressed like a 1920's housewife. I think it's pretty cool that she wrote a book that can be as honest as a woman can be for a guy to take.
I would much rather take relationship advice from her than JWOWW any day

[Opinion Owner]

Lol good point

[RalphBlack]

And you gotta realize that it all is a game regardless if anyone admits it or not.
The term, "Game" has been tossed around by society as something bad kind of like our shame for being naked in public.
Being naked in public is only bad because we have made it bad.
Playing the game can be good or bad. You just have to at it with your spouse lightly.
Don't play a game to hurt her but play the game to challenge her. To keep her interested.
Like let's say she has an opinion of
How she perceives things. If you don't think exactly the way she does then you don't just agree with her. You challenge her with your thoughts and you let her see where you are coming from with your way of thinking. If you agree with her and let her do everything she tells you then both of you will get bored and everything will just fall apart

[Opinion Owner]

I get that but I don't get the extreme cat and mouse. I mean it gets really bad and when we hear the term nice it automatically goes with boring or manipulative. The challenging things goes beyond thought typically and goes to pulling away/pushing and or ignoring the guy and the guy has to chase and vice versa. I will say you can't be boring and you have to change things up a bit once in a while, but not have "fun" and party and be inconsistent. Especially in a serious relationship. I think both partners should put equal effort. If it gets "boring", do something to make it interesting. I mean giving up doesn't solve the solution. In a relationship or even marriage you go through situations or bad times. I mean you have to work together and see things through and not chicken out and say it's boring or I can't take it and just give up.

[Opinion Owner]

Running away from the situation or putting it under the rug just makes it worse and eventually it's exposed and bursts in your face big time. If you can't handle a situation, then I don't know how you can handle life

[RalphBlack]

Nobody says that they are running away from a situation.
You are taking these terms a little too literally, it seems.
What Kezia Noble is trying to explain is what women define what they call a friend zone guy. Women speak in weird code and a lot of them don't even know it.
When a girl says, "Yeah he was a nice guy but I think I just like him as a friend" what the girl really is saying is a sugar coated way of what she sees the guy who acts all fake by being completely nice just to get the girl to like him, Which most times if the girl wasn't wise enough then she wouldn't know that the guy will be a control freak in a real relationship.
She is trying to rename and categorize the term, "Nice Guy' into something else since its been abused by slang kind of like a lot of words that have changed over the years. Like the word, "gay' used to mean 'happy" or 'FAG' used to mean "bundle of sticks". Terms over time have been used differently and transformed

[RalphBlack]

language constantly has to be reborn.
Anyways, You think you are being smart with whatever you are saying so continue re writing what this post was saying but arguing with what its already was trying to say to begin with.
Its like when a teacher says, "Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean Blue" and then you blurt out in class saying, "NO!! CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS SAILED THE OCEAN BLUE!!!'
Its the same exact thing. You just don't get it

[allwood]

I agree with almost everything you have written here, apart from the '(thank god I wasn't raised by a single mom or dad)'. I am also a nice guy because I have manners and treat women with respect, as it should be. I was raised by my mother from the age of 6 she taught me all herself and did a good thing divorcing my dad, as he was abusive to myself, my sister and my mother, he has no respect for women at all, so would have been an awful role model.
The rest of your statement, I agree with though.

[MyThoLoGy]

The Ogre:

Stinks, doesn't really care. Big muscles, a little bit fat, green ugly skin. Eats crap, bugs and takes mud baths.
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Still gets the girl.

[koko124]

Girls find him quite shreksual

[VulcanHades]

But the "good guy" is not really himself. He is pretending to be something he is not. Which is the hilariously ironic part. The good guy is more likely to cheat because he is merely playing a role. He is either a nice guy or a bad guy or a normal guy or a weird guy pretending to be "the good guy" because he wants sex.

These types of advices are in contradiction with the "just be yourself and you'll be fine". And it's essentially telling players: "This is the correct way to manipulate women".

I'm not saying it's false. I'm pointing out how hypocrite and stupid it is to even label, generalize and demonize male personality traits. Feminists, this is not how you liberate men from their gender roles. ;)

On our next episode:

The Girly woman, The Tomboy woman and the "Real woman". Are YOU a real woman?

[RalphBlack]

YOU DARE TO GO AGAINST KEZIA NOBLE!

*Worlds Hotteat Pick Up Artist*

[RalphBlack]

There is nothing wrong with wanting sex. Women want sex too. The only thing that would be wrong is if you used the woman for sex and that's it.
If you weren't honest with the woman in that's all you wanted was sex and expected a relationship then it is your fault because you weren't perfectly clear with her.
so then it is your fault for being cold, dishonest and just sweeping the whole situation under the rug.
There are some girls that if you were honest and told them that all you wanted was to have sex then they would agree with it. But us guys are so afraid of rejection and telling what we want and if a girl disagrees with not having sex just to have sex then the guy thinks that he failed as a human being.
Sex is a natural thing. We are animals like any other. We just have human comprehension.
If a chicken can lay a unfertile egg then why can't a human have sex because he feels he needs to have pleasure just as long as the two of you communicate your needs?

[VulcanHades]

I'm not sure where I said it's wrong to want sex so I'm not really following you.

I'm saying it's dumb to claim all "nice" and "honest" guys are manipulative jerks and not genuine. It demonizes certain qualities and personality traits on a laughable premise. Then they say "good guys" are better when it's the same fucking thing but WORSE lol. It's just a different manipulation strat to get in their pants. But wait, instead of actually being nice (but being perceived as manipulative), they are not really being nice and actually being manipulative (but being perceived as good guys). How fucking hilarious is that lol.

It's stupid to assume nice/honest guys are always 100% NGS™ (on the negative extreme). A lot of guys are actually 50/50 or 30/30/30 and there's nothing wrong with that. But instead these idiots try to sell the idea that a man must be 100% real man/good guy in order to find love which is incredibly pathetic.

[VulcanHades]

Try telling women how they should behave and what kind of personality they should have in order to be considered as an attractive "real/good woman".

It's stupid because we both know different types of personalities can be attractive to us and there is no such thing as a right or wrong way to be a women. Extremes are just bad.

[MaxRocks]

Exactly. Here's the thing as long as you are consistent with yourself, girls will like you.
That means, if you treat a beautiful girl like you would treat an ugly girl or pretty much everyone else, then you have reached that mental place everyone wants to be in and girls will get attracted to you (obviously, as long as you match).
Now if you are usually mean to ugly girls and to people in general, yet when a beautiful woman comes you are suddenly nice, sooner or later she will pick up on that and leave. Ditto if you are usually nice and polite to everyone and then become this "bad boy" trouble-maker when she's around.
You'll end up trying too hard and making yourself miserable while lying to her, pretending to be something you are not.

[Phoenix98]

It's all hogwash, really its pretty simple the guy who is relaxed ( not tensed around women ) who acts like himself and is confident in himself and his ability to get the women he wants. As well as being an overall gentleman and respecting your women. You treat others how you, yourself would want to be treated. Plus all flirting really is, is playing on already natural instincts and vulnerabilities, the best dating advice comes from life experience it will tell you what does and does not work and also noble may be " the worlds best pickup artist " but picking up a women and actually keeping her are two totally different things.

[RalphBlack]

correct

[molan]

You don't need to be confident in your ability to get the women you wants, that called overconfidence because nobody can do that - not even the rich and famous.

However, confident in the ability to get a woman he wants it's part of the key. In other words, if you don't believe it's possible, it's probably not going to become possible.

[Phoenix98]

Well of course Molan anything is possible, especially when you believe it is.

[RalphBlack]

That is true... but she never stated or even wrote a book about how to have a relationship.

She just wrote this book on how to have more confidence on approaching a woman.

Maybe you can write a sequel to this book on your theories?

Then some random guy will write down on girlsaskguys "mytake" section of your guidelines and theories as well.

Or you can just do this ;)

[Phoenix98]

I could but I don't got time for that, and a poet not a writer lol.

[CommieDearest]

So true. I'd like to add that "Nice guys" tend to be douchebags in disguise because if you reject them they will go from "would you like to go out on Friday?" to "fuck you you're a fat ugly bitch anyway! >:C" in about a second.

"The Good Guy is real, and is just a nice guy because he is genuine."

Everyone needs to know the difference.

[RalphBlack]

That is true.

The nice guy watches too many romance movies and also pents up his true feelings. then he just comes off as a crazy psycho

[RalphBlack]

I have to say defend though that some guys are raised to think that they shouldn't stand up to themselves or not not know when they should tell somebody that they are out of line.
*Had to throw that in there*

[Anonymous]

These are definitely generalizations and its weird to limit types of guys to only 3 groups, but it does make some good points - most girls won't stick with an actual bad boy. Sure, he's charming and sexy, but at the end of the day he's either going to leave her or not be good to her.
And to the "nice guys" - okay, great, you're nice. What else? Being "nice" is the bare minimum. Every decent human being is "nice." Unfortunately, being nice isn't enough (even for girls - yes I'm nice, but I'm also really passionate and intelligent).

[AdamThomas]

And yet these "bad boys" never seem to be lacking when it comes to female attention in the way a nice guy very often does, and so many women get treated like shit, cheated on etc. Then still choose him over a nice guy.

[RalphBlack]

Like many have said, "You have to experience it also to understand"
Reading a book can help what you have done wrong and what you can do better.
They can also label certain things to either help you understand, take the wisdom by a grain of salt and tweak it into your own natural way of persuasion, or you can continuous critique it, deny it, argue it and never learn any of what you did to better yourself as a person in life.

[RalphBlack]

my motto is, "As long as you learn from what you found is a mistake, it is never a waste of time! just as long as a mistake that is obviously learned will never be done again on purpose"

[Opinion Owner]

@AdamThomas, I aid "most girls won't stick with an actual bad boy" - sure, a lot of "players" get female attention. But that's because they're good at the game- they're good at charming women, but eventually either the woman will realize that he's not right for her, or HE will dump her for the next pretty young thing that comes along. Sure, it looks like they get attention, but it doesn't last. It's not long term.

[RalphBlack]

My question to @AdamThomas is, "Why would you want to learn from a mistake if you were warned that it is definitely wrong?"
I mean, it is good to experience and learn from mistakes but that is if you have no clue about it.
Its like someone telling you not to stand in front of an airplane engine at the airport because you will get sucked in and ground up. It won't be pretty and it will cost you consequences. And also knowing beforehand can save you from long time damage that can affect you later. so my advice is to at least listen to some of the advice if it makes sense to. If it doesn't seem to make sense at sll then don't listen and don't learn from it. Go for it. But if you went for it and it ends up doing damange and you were warned, then it is your fault for not listening to logic

[AdamThomas]

Again I disagree. Plenty of girls stay with guys who are no good.

[RalphBlack]

oh ok

[Anonymous]

Most here dont understand other people and just so desperately want to be right.

These are just a three common attitudes men develop and learn because they have worked in past and still work, bring some benefit and act as a protector as well. It is an image thing and it is a game indeed, just like most attitude is anyway.

If you talk about fulfilling relationships then those for me would be that of a sponteniety growth challenge and support. Has to be fun as well. And who i date is who i feel the gest connection with. Or if i want to fuck i just go for that.

So in general what kezia states ain't wrong or right it is just an observation of common attitudes and what can one expect from them as well as what can we learn from those.

[RalphBlack]

See? This guy knows whats up.

[Findesemana]

or PUA bullshit?
i think humans are more complex than merely three categories of arbitrary labelling.

[RalphBlack]

Well, I just added three things of what she said in the book. I am sure if this was only said in the book and 2oo of the other pages were completely blank then the book would not even sell at all.

[Opinion Owner]

Findesamana your problem is that you dont listen. You hear only yourself when others talk.

[Opinion Owner]

What i meant is that although ur opinion is completely legit - we human beinga are more complex than 3 categories... yet this has completely nothing to do with this post whatsoever...

[Findesemana]

I just have a bias against PUA because I don't approve of it. is this wrong? if so, i'm not interested if you think it is...

[RalphBlack]

To be honest I wouldn't want to be a pua either. To be single my entire life would be extremely lonely.
But a pick up artist doesn't always have to be manipulative just to get a woman to have sex with her.
As technology has progressed our relationship and social skills have digressed and we are forgetting to communicate properly even to every day people.
Flirting and talking to women when you are especially single is healthy.
If you flirt in the appropriate way then a woman will laugh and that is a sign of feeling safe with you.
Maybe that flirting and feeling safe can progress into something far more than a night of having a good time that night. Maybe possibly in bed with her that night or a woman who wants to get to know you better.
If you make her feel safe enough in those moments then they can become many moments.
But you have to practice by social interaction and communication.
So I do admit that there are a lot of seedy pua who tell you to be an asshole to a woman

[RalphBlack]

To make her attracted to you. But really, that can only get her obsessed with you for a little while. Also that behavior could cause emotional damage to another human being which if you claim to be a sensitive person then it is totally contradictory to what you stand for.
Every person that you encounter and communicate with, learn something about yourself and make it positive regardless.
Pick up positivity but never pick up the negativity.

[Opinion Owner]

Findesemana you do fucking realise that you are not making any sense? You realize that you are commenting here now just for an argument and to make a point about something that is not being discussed in my comment or in the topick. You just simply bark at the name and the tiltle completely ignoring the point of the text and the reasoning of it and the reasoning of my comment. And to top it off you even invent a false meaning of the topick that you bark about. You are either dumb or a judgmental self righteous prick. Go fuck yourself. Or get a brain. Just fuck off.

[Opinion Owner]

Besides i dont think it is wrong to have a bias about pua. You should have just said that in your comment and not comment about there being only 3 categories of labelling. Cause it simply isn't what it says in the post. It just says there is a differenc3 between three types of men lol. It doesn't even say that kezia invented those 3 categories. Its more like these categories exist and she's just saying there is a difference that is fucking all. And then you come in with your stupidity.

[MrOracle]

Kezia Noble sounds like she read an old post of mine from years ago and explained it pretty poorly in her book (of course, I haven't actually read the book - I just heard of her for the first time here).

For example, here's a post where I give my version of the same thing:

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1221814-why-are-people-saying-that-nice-guys-are-pathetic

[RalphBlack]

Kezia Noble knows her shit

[cuzzy]

IM an introvert my self so not freely giving info away about myself is just a part of who i am. I normally very pasive but will stand up for my self if i feel i need to. Because my life is a unknown 2 many people i do have mistery about me. It can be attractive to shilas but not every one. A natural reaction of people is to feer what u don't understand because of the way i am im not understood by many. I am what i am.

[ranma187]

Kezia Noble Sounds like she is about as deep as a bowl of soup.

[RalphBlack]

Were you eating soup in a bowl when you came up in this analogy and reading this?

Is that how you came up with this random yet clever sentence?

[ranma187]

Say, what you want man, But lay off the soup!

[PalmWave]

As cute as this is, there simply isn't just 3 class of guys. There are way more and even still! It still doesn't give justice to how many types of men there are.

[Anonymous]

The bad boy gets the woman because he has everything looks and money wise, its just that he's more likely to cheat simply because women universally only like certain kinds of guys when it comes to looks, so that creates a lot of sexual opportunities for those guys

[JackKerouac77]

Interesting take. But I wonder if I'm "The Salad Guy"

[RalphBlack]

I'll have read up on that one

[Hannah591]

I think this take could've been expanded on in more detail. Bit of a let down.

[RalphBlack]

Hey its not like I am a pro at this. Im just here to write shit down. Its your choice whether or not you want to be entertained by it or not.

And if you can explain your reasoning of why it is a letdown instead of just stating that it is a letdown then maybe people who read it can get a little knowledge and wisdom of what you know.

Just telling me that it needs to be expanded giving more detail and saying its a letdown does not really give me a solution to the problem that I face in this post

[random2]

isn't it obvious she just wanted to read more:)

[Hannah591]

"this take could've been expanded on in more detail." That's what the let down was. Don't get so defensive.

[RalphBlack]

I'm not. I just need more detail buddy

[RalphBlack]

Like if you expanded in more detail why then you can help me. If we rocketed ourselves to the moon would you push me into outer space with no way of getting back into the rocket?
I certainly would need some guidance along the way.
If I was yelling because I was floating away into the abyss, would you just say, "Your explanation to be helped needs more reasoning. Don't get so defensive!" I would be pretty pissed off and frightened because I am floating into the abyss and you are being vague on what I need to do to get back

[Hannah591]

You're taking this all way too far. You could've just said, could you give me some ideas on how to improve? But it's too late now because you can't edit takes and it doesn't matter now because it's a gagtake.

[RalphBlack]

Oh well. I thought the outer space analogy was funny so you can either laugh or get offended by it.
But to me *even if I did take it too far* then I don't think it matters if I can edit or not. :)

[Roycaryn]

The "Nice Guy" is a self interested prick. I don't see why you had to mention how the "Good Guy" is somehow genuine and not being an open book, like you have to throw in some mystery or something.

[rUinSAYAN]

wait a minute.. that pick up artist girl on youtube? no way man, she just wants to fill the world with the type of men she wants.. or not.

[RalphBlack]

What makes you say that?

Or are you labeling her because she is a hot British woman that shows her cleavage?

Enlighten me with your thoughts

[rUinSAYAN]

what makes me say that is that the good parts of her advice sound obvious and the rest is just some stupid pua lines that sounded strange, you better just watch winggirls instead.
the good part was the dressing video that shows you how to clothe well as a man

[RalphBlack]

I've already watched them

[rUinSAYAN]

joshua pellicer? what they all mean is.. just stop worriing about how you act or have to act and just be normal and the side note is to not keep chasing someone that doesn't want you cause that's anoying

[RalphBlack]

Who says I am worrying? I just happened to post. You and a few others are the ones making it all complicated.

[Findesemana]

just some pop culture bullshit... i don't believe these labels exist..

[RalphBlack]

You don't believe they exist but they obviously do.

because if they didn't exist then this topic would never have been mentioned.

now if you said, "I don't think that this an actual scientific fact' then it would have made a little sense of what you said

[Findesemana]

i don't believe they do exist... it's a fallacy... but meh, not interested.

[RalphBlack]

But why? Enlighten me. All I want is more feedback. You just keep giving little bits at a time. I am learning nothing

[Findesemana]

I said I'm not interested... go away..

[RalphBlack]

But I wrote this "mytake"

So if I invited you into my house to visit and you happened to get offended by my remark in a conversation that we had, would you tell me to go away because you disagreed?

And would you think I was angry because I was wanting more feedback of your vague responses?

[VulcanHades]

Yup pretty much. Here is my Take oon the "Good Woman" version of this:
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a7240-are-you-a-real-good-woman-learn-how-you-can-become-more-approachable

If Kezia Noble was a man he would've wrote something very similar. xD

@RalphBlack I think you'll like it too. :P

[RalphBlack]

I am totally going to let Kezia know bout this

[Anonymous]

The guy I like sounds like the good guy.. but he's also an ass.. can they actually have traits of both good and bad?

[RalphBlack]

Sure

[RalphBlack]

HE keeps you on your toes. Keeps you interested

[PiuBelloAmante]

The guy you think you like sounds like the "Good Guy" he is perfect. but i would like to know what you mean by "ass?"

[koko124]

You're an ass girl

[Opinion Owner]

He said he would visit.. never did.. he said he would call and never has... it's been over a week... maybe he's not an ass.. but I thought he likes me.. I don't know...

[YourFutureEx]

So who's in this picture?

[singlebee]

i guess the good guy

[YourFutureEx]

why do you think so?

[RalphBlack]

Why does that matter?

[YourFutureEx]

He got the girl so I was wondering who's better to be.

[RalphBlack]

Well its better to be the good guy than the nice guy.

According to Kezia Nobles theory and a few other pick up artists, when a girl states that somebody is a nice guy, It means that she doesn't find him sexually attractive. One of the reasons why she doesn't find the nice guy sexually attractive is because he is constantly giving her things, listening to all of her boyfriend problems, he isn't making his move and letting her know what he really wants. He is always available. He isn't showing much value. Corey wayne "a relationship coach" gave the analogy of, "a man with value is like gold because it is rare and its hard to get gold. Dirt is everywhere so its like a too nice of a guy who is constantly there. It isn't valuable because it not a challenge to have it.
If you really like a girl and want to be with her then you can't tell her how much you want to be with her in the beginning because that will just freak her out or make her look elsewhere at different options to where she

[RalphBlack]

finds more interesting because it is a challenge to her.

[YourFutureEx]

Very nice, I mean good statement. You should have included it in your take.

[YourFutureEx]

& is (simply) one of the main difference between a 'nice guy' & 'good guy' is that good guy = nice guy + ego?

[RalphBlack]

Well a nice guy+confidence+self respect=has his own life and able to maintain a respected relationship

[RalphBlack]

ANd yes I agree with you. Shouldve been more descriptive