I'm getting really tired of people being completely ignorant about this issue. Not just on here, I've seen and heard people talking about feminists and "feminazis" as if they're one organized group of people who all think the same and do the same thing.
Feminism argues for equal rights for women.
You may have noticed that there are men who want equal rights for men and women. You may have also noticed there are men who go overboard and want more rights for men than for women.
There are also women who want equal rights, and there are those who go overboard.
In my opinion, this seems kind of like basing your opinion of religion in general on the actions of JUST the West. Bap. church.
Yes, there are people who get overly aggressive on either side of every issue and on there are people who will do things and say things that don't really make sense. Because these people are louder than the others it's really easy to assume that everyone who has a similar opinion is like that.
Feminism is not a "hate group." Feminists are people who think women should have rights equal to men.
If anything, I think NOT being a feminist would make you a worse person than being one.
I regards to people saying women shouldn't have equal rights in the work force for jobs like being a firefighter or a cop, just because someone is a women that doesn't mean they should get turned down. If they can do the job, let them do that. There are jobs that might be more difficult for some women, but that doesn't mean all women wouldn't be able to do it.
These same people arguing about the job issue tend to overlook other areas of the market.
As someone working in the scientific community that frequently deals with a lot of gore, it's pretty obvious that women don't have equal rights when it comes to hiring and pay scale.
I'd like to have just ONE interview where I get asked the same questions a guy does, and instead I get questions like Well as a woman, how do you handle your emotions on this job? How do you plan you keep your work and family life raising children separate? Well are you sure this is a position you want to apply for? There's a lot of blood in this field.
I'd like to stop meeting people who tell me it's weird that I study forensics or like science "because I'm a girl."
To people who say they dislike feminism and feminists: you don't even know what that is.
Men are a very diverse group, with a wide variety of opinions, values, and worldviews. Certainly some men do hate feminists/feminism. But on the other hand, there are also men who are feminists themselves. And men who don't have a strong opinion either way.
I'm a feminist, but I've never had a problem with dating or relationships. Many men have appreciated that I was the one who asked them out, and that I share in the costs of dating, for example. The men that I've had relationships with have appreciated that they can be themselves around me and that I don't judge them negatively//try to fit them into a box of what a "real man" should be like. They appreciate that responsibilities are shared equally, and so no one burden falls solely on them (or me).
Do all guys like these things? No, of course not. I'm not very compatible with men who are conservative or believe strongly in traditional gender roles. But that doesn't really matter because there are people that I'm not going to be compatible with no matter what views I hold. Are there men who wouldn't give me a chance if they found out I was a feminist because they think that feminists are man-haters or crazy or whatever? Sure, but I wouldn't want to be with someone who held those views anyway.
A lot of men (and even women) misunderstand feminism. They seem to think that for a group other than them to gain power, they will have to give up power and rights. Which in a way is true, as they are indeed giving up power over those other groups, but it's still power they should never have had in the first place. Also, media and social groups play a role, as often the only thing people hear about feminism is from sources that are anti-feminist, so obviously they get a skewed view of it. Also, occasionally you'll encounter those who are trying to look at social issues out of context and with pure logic. That just doesn't work. You can't take a situation out of context and expect the issues to be the same and the solutions to be the same.
That said, there are still many men who are feminists and support feminism. The vast majority of those I hang out with are, because they understand the inequalities in society and they understand what feminism actually does, and they even understand that feminism's goals benefit them as well.
This is due to women who misuse the term feminist and abuse it, as well as the lack of support for men who suffer from the same issues as women, but are stigmatized simply because they are men. I did a myTake on this issue: gender inequality affects everyone, feminists just have the louder voice.
First, let me talk about feminism. Feminism goes much further than the belief that women and men should be equal (in some unspecified nebulous way), but includes a bunch of dogma that is flat false, revisionist history, one-sided, and a threat narrative targeting men (patriarchy theory, toxic masculinity, rape culture, standpoint theory, etc.).
Feminism, in its complete reality, is disgusting. Most people support men and women having equal opportunities and equal protection under the law. Most people are also not feminists.
Now let's talk about feminists.
Most feminists are what I call "coffee-shop feminists." These people believe that feminism is "all about equality," and nothing more. Unfortunately, they have been deceived. They need to FORMALLY study the history of feminism, from outside a feminist perspective. They need to see first-hand the evil underhanded crap the institutionally powerful feminists do.
But then there are the powerful feminists. They are gender studies professors, columnists, teachers, lawyers, and politicians. They are perpetuating a vile threat narrative against men and using it to get rich and secure women's position above men in a tiered society. Whenever someone tells a coffee-shop feminist about the evils these kinds of feminists are into (like getting rid of prison sentences for women altogether in the UK), they say, "Not all feminists are like that." But it doesn't matter. The powerful ones ARE like that.
And the sad truth is that the coffee-shop feminists are strangely quiet when the institutional feminists run roughshod over the human rights of others because they have the wrong genitals (or even just disagree with the feminist orthodoxy).
I could believe not all feminists are like that if the "good feminists" would make an effort to clean house. But they don't. They don't even try. They are complicit in the crimes of the powerful, institutional feminist regime.
Oh, and it's a multi-billion-dollar-per-year empire funded mostly by men.
It used to be a good group but now I just see it as an annoyance that does more harm then good at least here in the US it does, in other countries or lands like the middle east were equality is none existent for men and women it has a place. But in the US it has no place here anymore.
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Erin Pizzey, the first woman to open a domestic violence shelter for women, talks about her treatment from early feminists:
You say feminists don't prefer for women to get special treatment over males, yet we have so many policies and laws put in place by feminists that do exactly that, here are plenty of examples:
I also don't think there will ever be complete equality between men and women because we're biologically different. I think putting more women into the army, police and fire service with gender quotas is ridiculous when that means pushing out more capable men. How can this woman be expected to save you in a fire? Why should she have the job just because she has a vagina when a man would be more capable? Why are women's feelings more important than the ability to do a job where lives are on the line?
On top of all that, most of what feminists today complain about is pure myth, such as the wage gap, the 1-in5 rape statistic, rape culture etc. All have been dis-proven yet feminists will still constantly bang on about these things in this thread.
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These lies don't help women. Imagine a rape victim hearing that if she reports the rape she won't be believed, and imagine a rapist hearing that even if he does rape he probably won't get jail time? Does that inspire confidence in women or rapists?
And lastly they seem to have no identity outside of victimhood. They're victims of absolutely everything, even men sitting with their legs apart on a tube, they call it "manspreading", what the fuck? When people try to do things that actually empower women such as when Nia Sanchez, a beauty pageant winner and a Tae Kwon Do black belt encouraged women to take self-defense, they criticise these people and tell them that they're "victim blaming".
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Strong independent women? Yeah right. This is why I hate feminism. It doesn't help anybody, it just creates fear and hatred, and people wonder why people are so whiny these days.
"who advocate equality among men and women alike."
People forget that it isn't simply "Do you believe in equality? Then you're a feminist." That is essentially a method to try to claim as many people as possible.
Feminism is one of several gender equality movements throughout history. What we call feminism now basically seems to have its roots in Marxism, with men being the Bourgeoisie class and women being the oppressed lower class. And therefore, the idea is that in order to establish gender equality, women need to be brought up, and men don't really need any work. Since men have all the power, they say, their grievances are self-induced. They did it to themselves.
That is the point at which I do not call myself a feminist. Many of the intricacies are lost in calling men a monolithic group made of privilege. I am very interested in gender equality and gender issues, but I have my own set of perspectives. For more info on that, see Part 3 of "What I learned as a Feminist and an MRA"
The original usage of the term, however, was not exactly gender specific, but still not neutral. The premise was that Masculine morality, philosophy, and decision-making were considered vastly superior. Old philosophers would talk about how masculine morality was decisive. If you had to kill one baby to say millions, the choice is easy in the masculine perspective. While the masculine perspective would say you are a net savior of 999,999 people, the feminine perspective would say you are still a baby-murderer.
Feminism was the idea that the feminine perspective should be considered different from, but not inferior or superior to, the masculine perspective. Being called feminism because it meant raising the feminine perspective from being considered "inferior". So even then, the term is only necessary so long as the feminine perspective is held well below the masculine perspective. But this is where I could justify calling myself a feminist.
As for what the movement has become now, I have no idea. It's all trigger warnings and micro/nano/pico-aggressions. It values freedom of speech below "Freedom to not be offended". And it many ways, it infantilizes women, rather than empowering them, telling them they should fear the world and demand chivalrous assistance rather than empower themselves.
"They dont prefer for women to get special treatment over males" except for the fact that they have routinley fought against equal custody of children which is to the benefit of men since men do not get custody of children. The National Organization of Women actively fough against it. They claim sexism and falsify facts, all of which is to paint men as evil oppressors and women as innocent victims. Men suffer in all catagories, to an insane degree then women yet no feminist has ever came to there defense despite being for "equality". They complain that there are no women politicians and ignore the fact that every manule labor job (garbage man, construction, mining) is occupied by men. They don't acknowledge that every potentially dangerous job, like police or military, is comprised almost entirely of men. They ignore the fact that 80% of all divorces are filed by women (mostly due to irreconcilable diffrences or no fault) yet 80% of all alimony and child support is paid by men.(along with the fact they are legally striped of there children) Over 75% of homeless are men, yet no feminist complains about this. Women start out making more money in engineering, the reason is because they need to fill a quota and there for will pay extra to insure they meet it even if it is undeserved, a privledge men don't have. It is illegal to circumcise women yet not only is it not illegal to do so with infant boys its encouraged (they only with in the past couple of years began to use anesthetic for this). 80% of all assault/mugging/murder victims are male yet feminist continue to state how we have to protect women. Men are accused of being rapist thanks to the don't be that guy/real men don't rape campaigns, yet statisticly less then 4% of men will ever rape which is about the same damn number of female rapists, which feminist refuse to acknowledge ( routinely state that men can't be raped, but were still equals) The same goes for domestic violence and yet while millions of government dollars goes to womens shelters (where men are not allowed, even in some case male children) there are next to none for men, all of them are privately operated since no one wants to acknowledge mens issues. They demand the right to abort, but demand the father pay child support. This isn't even a full list of problems out there but it doesn't matter because feminists don't care about equality they never have. For further reading:
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If your definition of feminist was accurate men wouldn't hate them. The problem is that there are many different kinds of feminists and most of them are sexist. Just because you don't agree with certain types of feminists doesn't mean they aren't real feminists. Rather feminism has many different branches and supporting "feminism" ends up supporting branches that we don't want to support.
Feminism is based on the idea of achieving equality by only focusing on women's issues. It assumes men have no problems and now even teaches young people that in the past gender roles were just men enslaving women. The belief that men forced women into gender roles for hundreds of years, creates a lot of sexism toward men.
The truth is past female advocates would actually enforce gender roles as women received more from gender role than most people realize. In fact one of the biggest hurdles feminism has in third world countries are that the women don't want to have anything to do with feminism as they would lose the their female privileges. These are women that will laugh and mock men that dare step out of his gender role. These are men by the way that are often forced by the law to uphold his gender role or go to prison.
Most men that hate feminism are actually for equality. That is why they stand against feminism. Both genders need equality, and not just women. This goes against the core principles of feminism which at best only seeks to help women. The moment someone tries to advocate for men, feminists come out from everywhere and scream down the male issues, until all focus is only on the female issues.
It's not that I don't like or hate feminists I honestly feel sorry for the vast majority of them. Like any ideology it is far too black and white to make sense. There are literally dozens if not hundreds of variations all with different ideas about what "equality" means. To say you are a feminist really means nothing anymore. Are you an equality feminist? A radical feminist? A marxist feminist?
Feminists talk like they all have one goal "equality" but they have 1000's of different ideas of what it means and how to get there. Some are for the complete destruction of the mythical "Partriarchy", others believe that gender is entirely a bunch of social constructs and that biology means almost nothing. Yet others believe that men should be eradicated. It's a hot mess and causing real and substantive problems with gender relations between men and women.
Do I hate feminism, not really but I do feel sorry for many feminists that don't really have the ability to think for themselves. If they did they would have a hard time subscribing to the label.
Feminism only care about the rights of women. Feminism doesn't care about male issues. Feminism is about helping women in need, never men. Feminism completely ignores the suffering of men. Feminism see women as victims and men as perpetrators. Men can also be victims in need of help. This is not equality.
There's lots of defenseless little boys (and men) in this world. Not all men are violent Hulks who never needs help and someone who stands up for them. But for feminism it's only the girls and women who are important.
If you truly care about equality and not only helping one gender then you might want to call yourself an egalitarian instead, since that is about REAL equality.
The problem is... the vocal people who call themselves femenists are the vocal nutjob minority. This has lead to a popular tide of opinion against femenism as a whole, from men and women.
And can you really be suprised? In most of Europe the femenist's job is done, so the shouting and posturing seems unneccesary to your woman on the street.
And American is actually going the wrong way seemingly due to religious fundamentalism, and generally domestic religion is propelled by women rather than men.
I, and most over people, agree with the stated goals of femenism: Equality. But many subgroups of femenism want superiorety (or equality of outcome thanks to rapid progression systems for women etc etc), which is just a different form of sexism, and that is obviously not a good thing.
Hate? No as they don't mean anything to me so, therefore, no need to waste time hating them. However, in terms of the radical feminists I already know how their story ends and it is amusing to watch them go through motions attempting to create some ridiculous fantasy while faltering time and time again.
Equality is correct. Equality plus one is moronic. Radical feminists, quite literally, nearly all share the same traits... every single one of them and they are quite easy to spot from a mile away. Any man worth his salt avoids them like the plague.
I don't hate feminists, but there is a lack of clear, concise objectives. It's a political title that is broad, and varies too widely. In the third world especially, I see the need for women's rights, safety and empowerment. In the U. S though, they can't really describe in what way women are "oppressed". Aside from abortion and wages, but wages are a bit misleading. Certain factors are not discussed aside from average annual salaries, they should really look at hourly wage rather than annual salary. Overtime, sick time, call outs, all play a factor in annual salaries. It may be more than gender that plays a role in why women earn less yearly on average than most men. White women especially, are not oppressed, and earn more than non white men on average in the U. S. Oppressed is hardly a word I would use to describe their condition here. I just think everyone plays into a victim mentality today. Unless you have lived in really bad conditions, people should stop bitching.
I'm for equality but I don't identify as a feminist and don't want to associate with the feminist movement as such. Soooo many people try to quote the dictionary definition and argue that me and anyone else who says they agree with the definition of feminism should be on their team, which just makes it worse.
I can't ignore the greater context of the feminist movement.
Karen Straughan should be able to save me a lot of typing here... Skip to 6:00.
I can tell your eyes haven't been open long. Do you not know what feminist have done to the court system for example? Here is a example two get married and have kids. The woman decides she likes another guy she met at work. She cheats on her husband with the guy she met and after a while of cheating she files for a divorce. During the divorce hearing she ask for custody of their kids and full custody is granted. Then she takes the house the man is paying for while the man is ordered to leave the house and his kids. This is what feminism has done to men and that's just one example.
Feminism in America is not about women's rights, workplace equality, or equal protection under the law. It is a radical left wind organization that, if many women looked into it, I believe would find little to agree with. So, in answer to your question, men don't hate feminists, they hate the radical left wing feminist organization
Do men hate feminists? Well, that's a complicated question, but I personally dislike feminists because feminism in its current form is nothing more than man-hating, self entitlement, hypocrisy, and a lack of spine or skin finding the smallest things to be offended about. Take "man-spreading", the act of man sitting with his legs apart on the subway. Well, we have junk down there. It is more comfortable for us to sit with our legs slightly ajar, yet somehow that is oppression. Bitch, you aren't oppressed because of the way I, or any other man, sits. Do you have acid thrown in your face for trying to seek an education? Oh no? Get off the soap box. Feminism is nothing more than a hate movement nit picking at technicalities while ignoring their own vast wealth of privilege and entitlement based on nothing more than their gender.
I'm all for equality, but feminism isn't equality. Not even close.
I'm a woman and I am strongly against feminists so ya I'd say a lot of men are too.
I don't hate women because they are feminists, but i disagree with just about every last one of their beliefs. Men and women are diferent, and are supposed to be different. Its called BIOLOGY and NATURE. The changes in these traditions are just screwing up the idea of dating and marriage in the modern world. So no, i don't hate feminists, but i tend to avoid them.
I don't like the term feminist anymore. I am tired of it myself.
Some takes it too far and that's not cool.
I think you're awesome for asking this question! As a 17 year old already inquiring about these types of topics shows me that you will do well in college. Good for you!!! Also, being a feminist improves awareness and teaches you certain obstacles that women face that are gone unseen when ignorant.
Be sure to take sociology and women & gender classes, since you're asking about this now Im assuming it will be very interesting to you!
Were it not for feminists we would still be wasting the talents, intelligence, drive, and valuable contributions of half the popullation. I shudder to think what a massive loss that is.
As long as the preferred form of discussion is debate rather than true dialogue, as long as discussion is adversarial rather than collaborative, always vying for win-lose rather than win-win, we will continue to need radical feminists.
Hate? Nah. But I absolutely do not like what the movement has become. Even some women are distancing themselves from it.
I support equality, not female dominance at the cost of men. Men -in their own ways- do not have it easy either. No need to kick us when we're down while screaming how powerful and liberated you are.
Do you like fascists? I assume you don't.
Well, feminism (excluding it's very first original core) is rather fascist ideology.
While it started as a simple desire to being able to attend universities and get jobs and whatnot, it quickly escalated into lust for power and advantages without any responsibilities whatsoever. If anything goes wrong for them along the way for any reason whatsoever, they blame the party that is not associated with it.
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