Culture influences us throughout time.. 80s, there was kindof an androgyny thing going on.. now men are perceived to be sensitive because of all the social justice uproar.. As soon as 'GoT' got big, men sport beards. I admit trends can be contagious but I notice men argue like women now, they gossip and do vengeful things. Maybe my idea of gender is slanted but I think women are more prone to cattiness than men but lately I feel like men are just as capable as playing mind games and social warfare as the next..
With friends, we sometimes discuss that relationships where a woman is clearly dominant, babying, mothering, scolding, treating the man like a sibling... curfews, shaming for cleaning.. overall controlling even for little things like food or movies to watch. And I am not saying its equal! Its regular that she is a dominant force overall.. I think women emasculating men don't deserve sympathy when the relationship ends and over time, I feel that it has led men to sort of fight fire with fire and mimic some cattiness that girls do actually have.. I feel like most men I have dated repeat behaviors from grade school like rating women or sex well into their late 20s or 30s...
To make a statement that most men are becoming feminine is bold but I do really feel that way. However, in the back of my mind, if its replacing 'agro', I'm kindof okay with it? But i just personally find mean girls terrifying because they will justify sabotage in really messed up ways. They can take things just as too far as an aggressive, uber-macho male and the most worrisome part is mean girls work in shadow; its indirect, so you don't even know how to safeguard yourself sometimes and next thing you know, an overshare is being used against you. Women dig in and rip guts out and men from what I know, use a lot of superficiality to dig but now I feel like its an all out battlefield.
I have met very few men in the 20-30 range and even 40 that are well past grade school behaviors, relationship games or machoness or how their relationship looks to other people. If I do meet a man like this, it is well past my age range and he's usually got a very unique outlook on life like a lone wolf.. I also want to say, I have met men in their early 20s that are extremely mature and equal parts sensitive and romantic... but I assume its because they haven't had a girl hurt them enough to turn them. Continued Pt2... I'm not meant for twitter lol..
A male-only environment is riddled with aggression, competition, hierarchies, rigor and a lack of sensitivity. This kind of environment creates highest quality men and women in any area of work. But when women infiltrate in large enough numbers to demand sensitivity, inclusiveness, gentleness, cooperation instead of competition... It waters down the intensity of the male environment and in general become lowered to the level of women in general. This equalizes them with women destroying their sense of having the protector/leader/provider role, causing them to become passive and indifferent. In the end we get a bunch of androgynous pussies women created, but want nothing to do with.
The hottest guys you'll find today are still guys who work in rigorous male-majority jobs like construction, military, fire-department, engineering...
I don't really see many females staying at home all day playing video games, or any males going out and shopping for the latest clothes styles... That's an exaggeration but I'm sure you get my point. Those specific guys that you're talking about have simply lost confidence in the dating world... That doesn't make them feminine in any way at all... Not all men are "tough guys"... It's unrealistic to expect that from approximately half of the entire human population. But I don't agree that they're being feminine by not "manning" up to join the dating world. It's stressful and playing video games can be a great stress reliever... They're probably just taking a break and tired of trying. Hope this helps! 👍🏼
1. Video games are not feminine anyone can play them and they are awesome I don't know why you targeting video games.
2. If your so tired of guys not talking to you then talk to them not hard. I been doing it.
3. how you know they are not approaching you because they not interested? I mean maybe accept that it possible a lot of guys don't want you and you just have to accept that.
4. Its ok to be feminine and I don't see what wrong with being it man or woman so maybe instead of asking what's wrong with these men ask what wrong with you? since you are not getting any men.
For the past 60 years there has been a campaign by the global elite, through their useful idiots in Feminism and other forms of Marxist, to destroy the masculinity of Western men.
That is why we have the spectacle of the metrosexual and the male social justice warrior, both of whom I (as a man) find to be repulsive freaks.
We were told that our masculinity was 'toxic' and that all sex was rape and more. I am sure that you have heard the Feminist loons rant on about such things.
Despite this, a good degree of masculinity remains in most Western men.
The tone and content of your post, as well as your age, suggests to me that you have reached the age at which male interest in you is headed toward the bottom of the graph.
I do not know if what I am about to suggest applies to you, but it is the typical progression for a Western woman.
Ages 15 to 30, she will fuck a conga line of bad boys and sundry other sociopaths and losers, because they are 'exciting' and 'fun'.
About 30, she hits the wall and male interest drops off.
She decides that she is 'ready for a good man' . . . the type of man she has been rejecting and ridiculing since her mid teens, because they were not the exciting bad boys.
She looks around and discovers that the cupboard is bare.
Why?
Because a significant and increasing number of men are taking the decision that interaction with females carries more risks than benefits. This is not a sign of lack of masculinity. It is a conclusion reached after a rational cost/risk/benefit assessment.
Consider this:
Ask a girl out: risk of career-ending sexual harassment complaint.
Go on a date: risk of life being destroyed by a false rape complaint.
Have consensual sex: risk of life being destroyed by a false rape complaint, if she changes her mind the next day, week, year, or whenever. Or, she might be simply batshit crazy. A quarter of the adult female population are on prescription psychiatric medications. Look it up.
Form a relationship and cohabit or marry: 50 per cent risk that after the legally-qualifying time of two years she will leave and use the Family Court to steal everything that the man owns, then enslave him for life via a child-support order.
There are plenty of single men in your age range out there, but every day more of them decide that the juice is not worth the squeeze.
First off, let me just say using the phrase "something a man would do" is bullshit.
You don't get to define "a real man" and the like when men aren't allowed to define "a real woman" without triggering most women, in particular feminists. While you can have your preferences, don't try to paint the definitions of my gender with such a broad stroke.
Now on to your question.
The breaking of the gender role barriers through feminism has lead to the blurring of lines between what both do and how they behave. You can easily argue that 'women are becoming more masculine' with how career oriented they are and how many of today's women are more open to casual sex. I'm not saying these are bad things, but it is a natural consequence.
If women are now occupying some of the space that men once did decades ago, then men are going to be forced into some of the space that women occupied.
I'm not even sure how 'playing video games all day' is being lumped in with a feminine activity. Men have always dumped a good amount of their spare time into hobbies since forever. Obviously those hobbies can vary and skew a certain way depending on the era. Technology being a big one today. Video games are an extremely cheap way to entertain oneself for many hours. Hours that might have been spent going out and socializing more often out of necessity decades prior.
Probably the easiest way to answer this as well is by looking at trends in youth. I don't have the numbers to back any of this up but I bet that teenage girls are favoring more feminine men, so more men are simply adjusting to what is showing to work.
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Sure but who made them that way? Single motherhood is commen, encouraged even as women are divorcing men lef and right stripping boys of masculine figures. These same women who are complaining about the effeminacy of men are the ones encouraging it in their children, if a boy acts like a boy in school what happens? He is accused of being violent or bad and is encouraged to act more like a girl even if it means drugging him up (over 85% of all children with so called "learning disabilities" are male). Its women who claim they want a nice sensitive guy then reject said men and then when the man starts getting angry and deciding he is done with that game these women then turn around and punish him yet again for acting more masculine by claiming that he is being too aggressive or he wasn't really nice etc. etc. etc. Then you have women who have not been women in decades. When was the last time a woman acted feminine? I have yet to meet one who has, one who is loving and nurturing who had maternal instincts and conducted herself like a lady. So yeah its happening but the blame lies on women who have exploited and punished and raised these men, its women who stopped acting like women wanting the best of both worlds, the respect and admiration men got and the safety and protection women got. So blame women. The moment women reverse their behavior is the moment we start seeing men acting like men again.
While I think many men yes these days have become a lot more feminime, I still can't say I agree with your reasoning. Like how or why is their confidence determined by if they approach women or not?, Personally I never been much interested in apporaching women in general, they can approach me if they want, cause as an example, I never met anyone in my life so far in my country that I ever wanted to date, so never wanted to do any approaching. Not confidence related, at least not for me.
I dont see how playing video games either is a bad thing, its a hobby, no different than reading or watching movies, im pretty sure if replace video-games with a book then suddly it would be instead that you "strengthen" your character, which no doubt is true that it can. Story telling wise, games have surpassed movies by far, quite a lot of books too. So always wisdom to be gained, always something to learn and reflect on. Which again leads to personal growth. Dont see how makes some feminine either to have a hobby like that.
Yes definitely. There are many reasons for this:
1) Feminism encouraging androgyny and believing in things like "toxic masculinity" pathologising it
2) Modern diets lead to low testosterone with high sugar, estrogen-mimicking ingredients like soy, plastic containers containing BPA, alcohol containing hops, even water containing chemicals such as female birth control
3) Sedentary lifestyles, mostly because of the technology we have these days, decreases testosterone levels - we barely have to get out of bed anymore
This is just what happens when society becomes too "safe". Masculinity becomes less valued, and kind of gets in the way. Those in power would rather us all be good passive consumers who do as we're told. This is nothing new, history repeats itself. Any society like this will turn it's men into weaklings eventually, until it collapses. It will only get worse I'm afraid. These guys think they're "free" when they stop being men, that they're different. That's obviously not the case.
If that were so, Hillary Clinton would be President.
Basically, a man is like a lazy dog. He doesn't want to do what he doesn't want to do. Men also like a high probability of success in whatever they do.
Since the advent of widescale women's lib 50+ years ago, women are free to shoot down men in ways that are not kind. It is that increased level of incivility from women that put a major damper on men being pro-active in asking women out.
At the same time, men now have other easier alternatives to dating. Masturbating takes care of orgasms and video games allow us to exercise the competitive/kill instincts. And, best of all, they are cheaper and the man doesn't feel he needs to be compared to all the other men you had sex with - and let's face it - that is what you do as evidenced by numerous female G@G questions.
So, when you get right to it, it's a cost benefit analysis.
When a woman is worth the cost and the risk of failure, a man will get involved with her, otherwise he will seek alternatives. That alternative may be another woman, but, after he does a lot of cost benefit analysis, he notices that most women aren't worth it, so he retreats into his own happy kingdom.
Something else:
Once men reach a certain age, we "are on to you". We stopped thinking with our dicks and start being much more critical about women and relationships. We have learned your tricks. We know that you "talk". We know that you have baggage and issues and, if we really want to get laid, then we will go younger to avoid the baggage and issues that you have developed. This is one reason why virgins are prefered; virgins don't compare us to previous men in the sack. Anyway, once men reach that certain age, they realize that they have the alternative to not bother with women because we are happy enough without them. Freedom becomes much more important and women do not enhance freedom.
When men try to be real men, psycho feminists come out of the woodwork and accuse them of the sorts of things that only a handful of uber-masculine whack jobs would ever actually do. And the psycho feminists will Kafkha-trial real masculinity to the grave, often failing to see their own sociopathic and extreme behavior.
After senile members of the old guard have routinely thrown these men under the bus to curry favor for the psycho bitches, men have felt betrayed, and have retreated inwards.
This retreat has had devastating consequences. Namely, emotional impotence. Which ultimately hurts both men and women. Women get bored with men that can't be real men. And men are emotionally emasculated out of fear of the next witch hunt, and cannot muster the courage to be real men when a woman needs him to be one.
And most women still realize that when they actually do need a man, all that lesbian crap is a piss poor substitute. That a lot turn to in the end anyway, out of frustrated desperation.
Ha, oh yes they are! Not all of them, but many... Like others have said, there is/has been a clear agenda to subvert and warp both masculinity and feminity, part of the globalist agenda and all...
But in the more immediate sense, what massively concerns me is just how far biological males have been 'castrated', cut off from their more base, primal instinctive psycho-biological makeup. I often refer to our current state of masculinity in western civilisation as 'socially gay', if you will... The amount of males (not men) that appear to be perfectly heterosexual, but look (with their soft, estrogen infused physical features) so damned effeminate, with their (often) skinny jeans, waxed chests and PC attitudes towards the fairer sex, frankly, bemuses and disgusts me!
Even more worringly, is in this gynocentric dystopia of ours, is this culture that has been bred within the mass psychology of the cucked male masses... For the few males that do still continue to exhibit the traditional traits of masculinity, both in the phsycial (yes girls, the hairy chests, the beards or indeed the suave, clean shaven 'misogynistic 007'), as well as the psychology (doesn't take shit from nobody, adores and supports his woman but won't take unecessary shit, provides 'emotional stability' etc); the new breed of gynocentric-androgyny males spit their feline venom at us, masking their inferiority complexes with their distate at our non-conformist, non-pc ways!
Hate to sound like a doomsayer, but I fear the millenial generation has a lot of failed 'test subjects' for men, and you women know it! That's why, I think, that there is so much divorce, and general discontent in many women, which helps give rise to the unnaceptable behaviour a lot of you gals get away with... 'Cos you can most times... Right?
Men are becoming what women have bitched and moaned for us to become for the last 40-50 years... but like typical females, they only what to bitch and moan about something and they actually don't want men to be the way the said they do, which is why they always go for the asshole while complaining about assholes.
Ironically, female happiness has been on the steady decline for the last 40 years as women get more and more of what they have been bitching and moaning about.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969
The reason men don't approach women is because if a guy approaches a female and she has even the slightest bit of distaste for him, she will play victim and claim sexual harassment or assault. Women have torn a rift between men and themselves by wanting it both ways and expecting males to simply adhere and read minds.
Sitting around the house playing video games is a shit ton easier than going out into a society that has been programmed to hate us simply for existing as males and having to dodge bullshit social justice garbage and rape monster shaming.
If women want men to be men... then stop feminism from ruining male female relationships with it's bullshit lies and anti-male propaganda.
I agree. But to be perfectly honest, I think women are partially responsible for this. We have a lot of unrealistic expectations... feminists (in some ways, not all) have emasculated men. They complain if men are too dominating, and misconstrue everything as sexism. It's not fair to expect men to be both ways. Personally, I am more attracted to those strong, masculine attributes in a guy; wanting a man with feminine characteristics defeats the purpose of being with a man.
Do I agree with your statement? Yes. But I also believe that a good portion of this issue stems from tying their hands... taking offense when they are overbearingly masculine, and then acting disappointed when they aren't masculine enough. Something's gotta give.
I don't think those are feminine traits either. In any case you could say some men (and women too) have a hard time becoming adults and developing their personalities and capabilities, but I think that doesn't have to do with the gender, but with the society we live in.
You are insulting your own gender by categorizing those traits as "feminine".
Maybe they are "insecure" or "lacking of ambition", but "feminine" is not the right word here.
Besides, why is it such a bad thing that women actually have to lift a finger for the first time in millennia?
Have you ever considered that they simply don't want to approach women and enjoy video games and anime? I. e. MGTOW. We ingrain into women that their happiness derives from everything NOT involving a man, family, friends, hobbies, children, pets, careers etc while simultaneously judging a man by how many women he's chasing.
I think you're conflating two issues into one, sure some men are pretty effeminate nowadays... but that has nothing to do with them being unsuccessful with women or even wanting to be with women in the first place. Being a single male with money in the bank, in the modern western world is probably the sweetest joy in all of human history (sorry ladies, you wouldn't understand). Let the little scamps be!
Playing video games is their choice and has fuck all to do with their confidence or "strengthening their character", whatever that means. Maybe in-game, they strengthen their character.
Men are men. It's the young boys that are becoming spoilt daisies and can't do trivial tasks such as win some bread and pay the bills.
You associate entertainment with weakness, an inaccurate observation. I like to take time out once a year and disappear in the world of video games, yet I have no trouble with socialising, approaching women or taking care of my responsibilities.
If you are saying that is feminine, then what do you consider yourself?
I'd say we enjoy playing video games and don't care enough to go out and get a girlfriend (at least I currently don't). It's a choice. It's not "too feminine".
Are men in general too soft at my age? Yes but sadly women are more and more like men now. The genders are just meeting in the middle with neither side happy thinking that's what the other one wants.
You can be different and equals at the same time. Once my generation realise that they'll stop trying to play up to the crap the Media has been feeding us.
Like playing video games is a waste of time... speak for yourself, the decisions i made in real life were influenced by video games and i can't complain about my own personal life being bad, i made right decisions rather than act on some "friend's" sugestions that were stupid and totally off the rails, men today are what women are today because society focuses more on the "laid back" kind of life, men used to hunt, fight and die with honor not sit in an office, drive home and watch tv... like saying a lion born in a zoo is the same with one born in the wild:))
I think there's less pressure to be stereotypically "manly" and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't think being strong or being able to change a tire makes you a "man". I think your commitment family, friends and your significant other makes you a man. Your willingness to stand up for whats right. Your desire to create the best life for yourself self and those around you. Those are the kind of things that make you a man.
Men are becoming somewhat more feminine/emasculated due to the feminist law system which is enforced by a small group of powerful men for their own benefit, the rest of the male population is subdued and women are pushed into being more like men which creates this situation which is not sustainable.
So mainly it is the womens fault for wanting equality when it is not possible due to male biological superiority, but also the fault of the group of men in power who exploit this to get the votes of the female population.
Sure... and females are being way too masculine nowadays: they're demanding equal pay and actually speaking for themselves!!! How BLASPHEMOUS!! The world is falling APART!!!
Your question is sexist to women (because you equate a "femininity" with someone who "[doesn't] do anything to strengthen their character") and men (because you're saying we have to act like some macho, bring-home-the-bacon man). Basically, men should stick to our traditional gender role? As long as we're happy and respectful to others and society, I don't see a problem.
The only feminine part to me is skinny jeans. I mean some guys can pull it off but for the most part, I hate when guys wear skinny jeans...
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Whatever happened to regular bootcut jeans lol
I agree, this is something that I have come to notice also. And dont forget men who have sounding voices and high pitch. Thats very annoying. I like a guy who has a deep manly voice. But again thats just my preference. Even in music and the style of dress that a lot of guys wear, they wear clothing that is more catered to females. Guys clothing have gotten more fitted over the years. The skinny jeans and fitted puffer coats seems to be the norm look in my area that I stay in. I dont like it at all. Im not saying a guy has to dress in baggy clothing, but there is nothing wrong with bootcut jeans. They still look nice.
I don't like how you connect femininity with not having any self-confidence and not approaching other people. Maybe that's true for you but in that case, speak for yourself and don't drag women or "femininity" into it. I would call it being a "loner", not being "feminine".
Some guys are like that, some aren't. What they want to do in their spare time is their choice. Idgaf if some guy decides to sit inside all day and play video games if that's what he wants to do. It's his right and it has nothing to do with me or my existence, so I don't see why I should get my panties in a bunch for it.
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