Can most people here tell a steroid user from a "natural" bodybuilder?

[Anonymous]

I've always been into health & fitness, in fact as a teen I was obsessed. I've always trained for martial arts and boxing so I stayed light, but I recently stopped competing.

I decided I wanted to put on some weight so I got into bodybuilding. I put on 35lbs. I look pretty good but I don't think I look big. I'm about 14lbs less than my goal weight right now.

I got curious about how big a natural bodybuilder can get, so I did my research.

Which one of these do you think is the biggest a man with good genetics can get naturally? All of these guys say they're 100% natural by the way.

1. Frank Medrano - 5'9" 160lbs
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2. Jason Statham - 5'10" 173lbs
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3. Lazar Angelov - 5'9" 195-200lbs
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4. Kali Muscle - 5'9" 250lbs
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5. Ronnie Coleman - 5'11 contest weight 297lbs
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1 is the biggest you can get naturally

2 is the biggest you can get naturally

3 is the biggest you can get naturally

4 is the biggest you can get naturally

5 is the biggest you can get naturally

[MrHitch]

First, kali and ronnie are NOT natural, there is a YouTube video somewhere where both of them have admitted to taking juice.

Second, Statham is known for plyometrics, he does that all day along that's why he is so flexible and ripped, his goal was never to bulk up.

I have been naturally lifting for 12yrs, I cut in summer and bulk in winter, I am almost 6' and weigh 195lbs. That's the furthest my genetics will allow, can I bulk more? Sure, do I feel like a log after? Absolutely. When I was younger, at a point I was 245lbs with 12% bf, I was jacked but felt like shit.

So the moral here is find the weight and size which makes me you feel FUCKING AWESOME, then stick with it, getting bigger isn't always the best choice... rest is up to you.

[Asker]

This chart says that the heaviest you could get to at competition condition at about 5-8% bodyfat is 184lbs. nattyornot.com/.../ Another source said that you should take your height in cm, subtract 100, and you have the maximum amount of lean body mass (fat not included) in kg, which, when converted into pounds is 180. Of course these are just rough guidelines, but I'd say you're close to your limit. Also a lot of people underestimate the amount of bodyfat they have - at 245lbs you were probably quite a bit more than 12%.

[MrHitch]

No, I didn't "guess" my bf%, I had it checked, every month at the gym by a nurse. I wanted to compete and I was an idiot who was hell bent on seeing my veins. I am teetering at my limit currently, I don't wanna push anymore, but I am also 14%bf right now, which is good for me.

Either way, natural build never ever looks like juiced, so keep that in mind, but I tell you this, in my gym I have Ronnie coleman looking juiceheads who walk around all tough and shit... but they all shut the fuck up and back into a corner when I put on 580lbs on the squat rack and bang out 8reps, 8 sets.

[Asker]

Yeah true, I thought about going on the juice but then when you look at all the possible downsides it's not worth the risk. A lot of guys get addicted - the actual steroids aren't addictive but they become obsessed with being huge, then when they come off steroids they lose their gains and get depressed, so they get back on the gear again. To fund their lifestyle a lot of bodybuilders do gay for pay. Kali Muscle, number 4, did gay p*rn. I didn't believe it at first but google it. Apparently loads of them do it. I saw another vid of Kai Greene with a fucking grapefruit lol.

Yeah, it seems big is all in the mind. I've sparred with bodybuilders twice my size and wiped the floor with them.

[jswag]

#1 and #2 look the most natural to me. 3 and 4, not so much.

[Asker]

By the looks of it you were the only. one who got it right.

[LittleSally]

B - I voted B...
Is that correct?

[Asker]

Absotively posilutely.

[LittleSally]

Coooooooooool ^-^

[BertMacklinFBI]

sometimes its obvious to me and sometimes it isn't. but from what I always hear, a lot of guys that are just freakin ridiculously huge are not natural.

[Roarke]

I'll simply play the odds here. If number 4 says he is natural then he is full of shit. The key for me is actually very minor, the trapezius muscle. It is among the most difficult to develop and to have it triangulated to this extent is not accomplished through proper diet, exercise or supplementation.

Another clue is the full roundedness of all three heads of the deltoids. Add in those ethereal lats and i'd say we have us a syringe binger.

By the way, since you seem to be weighing up natural versus not, if you do the juice make sure it's injectable. Orals have to go through the liver and can cause much more serious damage.

[kheserthorpe]

Personally, I'd be lucky to hit 1 naturally and would definitely need steroids to hit 2 ... but I have shitty muscle building genetics.

I'm highly skeptical on 4.

3 I don't know enough to say, I dont' personally know guys that big where i know enough to know.

2 if done slow can be natural. A lot of actors will jump from skinny to 2 in like 8 months, and I'm kind of aware there's no WADA for hollywood.

[Tokana]

Whomever said that Kali Muscle is natural must believe the bs that he tells everyone on YouTube that he only eat top ramen and tuna to get that physique. lol

[Niceguyscumlast]

4 & 5 Steroid users easy to see the bulging veins dead give away

[Asker]

Number 3 is about 25-30lbs heavier than he should be if he really was a natural bodybuilder

[Niceguyscumlast]

He shows no signs of PED's

[Asker]

Not all steroid users do, there are ways around that

[CourtJester]

Number 2 and 3 are the limit for any natural transformation but still 'mirin all of them for their hard-earned work.

[AestheticsFtw]

no one in hell is lazar body natrual, look at his shoulders and conditioning, a lot of people over estimate how far you can get natrually.

[Athleticbroo]

Frank isn't even close, Kali ain't natty brah. Believe me

And statham? Notsureifsrs But he is the Mr. Physique on misc two years running hollywood

[Asker]

Srs. Lazar is about 30lbs heavier than a natural guy his height should be

[SandPlanet]

I'm guessing #3 is the biggest you can get naturally. #4 and #5 look like freaks.

[Asker]

Number 3 is actually about 25-30lbs heavier than a natural guy of his height with good genetics should be

[SandPlanet]

Yeah, he doesn't look too natural either. I was just guessing that this is the absolute maximum of how big a man could get without steroids.

It really wasn't necessary to downvote me though.

[Asker]

Yeah, that's what I would have guessed. I didn't downvote you lol

[SandPlanet]

Then it was either Kali or Ronnie who downvoted me.

[Anonymous]

4 and 5 are steroid users

[Asker]

Close, number 3 is also 25-30lbs heavier than a guy his height should be if not on steroids

[Opinion Owner]

I wouldn't doubt it! I could see the other 2 without my glasses on lol. I like toned men anyways not meat heads!

[GoldCobra]

i love ronnie coleman!!! haha

[Asker]

Yeeaaah buddy

[GoldCobra]

YEAAHHHH BUDDDY

[Asker]

LIGHTWEIGHT BABY www.gymfail.net/.../Steroid-mobil-meme.jpg

[GoldCobra]

lol jay cutler and ronnie coleman... ewwwww that's so gross

[Asker]

Gross? WTF are you straight?

[GoldCobra]

No, nor am i gay or bi

[Asker]

I see... You're trisexual? I like.

[GoldCobra]

nah.