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"Veganism is bad for most men's overall health" ; true or false?
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It would depend on a lot of other factors. If a vegan doesn't use supplements go get the extra nutrients then you could argue that it's a negative for body building.
For the people who say meat is good in moderation, excuse my french, but no shit. Everything is healthy in moderation, but veganism is about following an extreme. Meat has nutrients that are essential to the development and growth if muscles and the body overall. Saying you don't need meat, milk, and eggs is worse than saying you don't need weights, bars, and gyms.
I'm not saying vegans can't be bodybuilders, but if you are lifting and chose to go vegan you're hurting yourself. Sure the vegans have healthy food alternatives for protein and carbs and all, but why try to fix a system that wasn't broken.
For men's health, the original question, veganism isn't good for health, its not bad but it definitely doesn't help, in an active life. Unless you go out of your way to pursue other forms of nutrition, you are literally depriving yourself of the building blocks of a healthy life. An example is that kids who are forced to eat vegan only almost always go to hospitals for malnutrition and underdevelopment (I don't have the source here but you can easily Google it). The reason people eat meat, and have since day 1, is that it's a healthy food. Dairy and meats are the first layer of the food pyramid for a reason.
So, no, veganism is not a good choice unless that person overly compensates with preparing healthier vegan meals, takes supps, and makes an effort to monitor their health in an objective manner.
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Veganism is bad for a lot of people because they are too picky or don't do it right. Honestly I think some people are healthy as meat eaters and some are healthy as vegans or vegetarians. I personally am a pescatarian - I tried vegetarian but wasn't getting enough protein or feeling satiated so I put fish back in my diet. When I ate meat I was always tempted to eat the unhealthy stuff like chicken nuggets or burgers instead of stuff like grilled chicken so im way better off without it.
It's totally possible to get enough protein as a vegan which I assume is the concern for weight lifting, and I think you can get the essential nutrients and vitamins too. I just think it's harder to do especially if you aren't disciplined.
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You can get protein from vegetables and other none meat food items but not as much and it's not as effective as meat protein is it also affects your body differently. We humans are able to eat all kinds of food though and it's though a balance of all types of food that we stay healthy and strong I don't think you should totally disregard meat, vegetables, fruits etc or anything.
Anything and everything in to large amounts is unhealthy for you and to little of something is not nutritious enough. Have to have a balance nutrition something I already knew and have been learning more about in regards to my studies on the human body and how nutrition effects it for school.
You need fruit, you need wheat, you need vegetables, you need meat, fish, calories etc your body even needs sugar you need all of it. And if you deprive your body of it while you may seem healthy and feel healthy it does cause problems underneath the surface that you don't even know is happening half the time.
Source: bodybuilder and studying professional training, human anatomy, biology and nutrition.
O and by the way, wild game as in animals eaten from the wild are extremely healthy for you sometimes even more so then vegetables because of all the natural grass, foliage and herbs they eat.
I say it's bad for everyone's overall health... But that's just something I think about a lot, I haven't done research. It's just my personal opinion because without meat in my diet I don't feel so great.
As you should =)
I would say false. It depends on the exact point they're raising? But overall I'm sure a vegan diet is a lot better than the typical body building diet where you eat chicken and rice everyday and gobble down a litre of milk with it (exaggerating to make a point )
I mean so many men are concerned about estrogen like substances in soy and give no second though the larger amounts of actual estrogen in milk.
I could go on about dairy for hours but I think even most traditional fitness experts don't recommend it anymore so it's getting out there
And I think that we need to eat meat, let alone a lot of it, to be healthy has been disproved. We can survive and be healthy on a wide range of diets, which is among other what made our species so successful. We're not omnivores or herbivores, we're survivors
Vegan ism is only bad for anyone when they don't know what to eat to get their needed proteins and probiotics. Like that was my problem when I was going vegan by myself in college. Like how am I vegan but having psychological problems, joint pain and occasional constipation. I did some reading and then I went out and found some vegan probiotics and shopped around for fermented foods I didn't mind eating which was okay but for where I lived I just went back to piscatarian and vegetarianism. Being vegan is kind of hard. I'm also glad Russell Simmons came out with a book called The Happy Vegan bc it also supposedly tells you how to also be vegan on a budget and getting all your essential meals and nutrients.. I'm going to see if I can get it sometime this week.
I am 61 and have been a vegetarian for most of my adult life. Four years ago I became a vegan and many of the health problems I had due to consuming dairy and eggs have been completely eliminated. My doctor was astonished at the improvement in my blood tests. So far, I have not had the health problems my father, siblings, and cousins have.
Getting enough protein is never a problem as there are many plant sources that provide enough protein.
I first became vegetarian in my 20s while taking a college course in philosophy. I became concerned with the cruel manner in which animals are treated and the impact animal based diets have on our environment. Maybe because I don't partake in the mistreatment of animals in the American food chain, my heart feels better.
Bodybuilding is unhealthy in general. The human skeletal structure didn't evolve to support the obscene amounts of muscle that some men aspire to have.
Sure they are strong in their 20s and early thirties, but I see double knee replacements in their middle aged futures, back problems, and if they take steroids their erections will suffer as well.
We evolved from primitive apes who occasionally hunted large animals in teams. While meat is nutritious to a certain extent, plants should make up the vast majority of our diets. muscle sustaining protein can be found in milk, broccoli, spinach, and many other foods that don't require killing animals.
I think you'll have a hard time being a bodybuilder on a vegan diet, but a human being is plenty strong without going to such extremes. So yes, I think a more vegetarian centered diet would benefit everyone including the environment.
it can be both and bad really if you think about it, i mean on one hand you will give up a lot of fat and processed foods and such which helps to eating a little cleaner ( one of many diet way i might add) and can help clean your system up that way but on the other side since meat has the highest intakes of things such as iron and other vitamins compaired to a lot of some vegetables out there and other vegan meals the vegan in question might have to use a suppliment or eat extra amounts of vegan foods in large quantity instead of perhaps eating some meats in a smaller quantity to help compansate to keep a balanced diet in a way.
but if they can compisate and keep the balanced diet quite well that way there should be no problems.
you need protein. like, it's not debatable. we humans are designed to have maximum functions as omnivores. that's like trying to say that we as humans don't need water.
Every food contains some amount of protein. But legumes, beans, nuts, seeds, and seitan all have high amounts of protein.
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@Takada cool story, we can eat those things, but negate the elephant in the room that we are made to eat meat. if meat wasn't vital, than we wouldn't have been able to process meat to begin with and become part of our diets. and that's an invalid argument. i hate bananas, which means a lack of k. i take vitamins and shit for that. hell, it got so bad at 1 point (among other things), that after football 2-a-days, i had to be hospitalized and get k straight up injected into my bloodstream. i don't need to eat bananas, but i'm not stupid enough to think that bananas or other protein food sources aren't a necessary part of a diet. stop kidding yourself.
Just because we can eat something, doesn't mean we have to. You've got it all wrong.
"i don't need to eat bananas, but i'm not stupid enough to think that bananas or other protein food sources aren't a necessary part of a diet."
That's a contradiction. You said you don't need bananas, but then you said bananas are a necessary part of one's diet. Educate yourself.
@Takada that's stupid logic. just because i can exercise doesn't mean i have to either, but who's arguing that sitting on my lazy ass and answering stupid questions is better?
also, that's not a contradiction. i'm not arguing with a person who has no idea how words work. 1, i have arfid (avoidant/restrictive food intake disorder). bananas are 1 of many foods i can't exactly eat without getting some kind of involuntary action like vomiting. but regardless, 2, it's not a contradiction because people have personal tastes. i don't need to eat them and i have never been a huge fan of fruits in general. but just because i can find other sources in other foods and vitamins and take vitamins or whatever, i'm not stupid enough to deny the importance of an entire food group. i just personally don't like them. it's not hard to get. i hated going to school and i technically didn't need to go to college and hated going to class, but i still realized that it's important to get to make money
You can talk hypothetically all you want, it's still proven that veganism is healthy for all ages and stages of life.
You're also comparing fruits and vegetables to meat. Meat has been associated with heart disease, obesity, cancer, etc. Fruits and vegetables have not. Which do you think you should eat?
More meat = less healty diet. So your diet can be healthy IN SPITE of you eating meat. The meat is not what makes your diet healthy.
Vegans are mostly vegan because of ethical issues, but also because of health issues, environmental issues, or because they want to manage our resources better.
"and think that eliminating thinks it entitles them to some stupid god complex"
Wrong. If I do something that benefits others, then whether I feel good about it or not is irrelevant. The fact remains that I do something that benefits others.
I have actually seen several farm animals. My grandparents owned chickens and pigs. They never showed me how they slaughtered these animals, because they knew it would be too horrible to watch. Whether someone has seen a farm animal or not is irrelevant, because they are conscious beings that feel pain. Just because someone hasn't seen them, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to help them.
@Takada that's why it's a healthy diet. eating only 1 of anything is bad. you can't eat dairy and get potassium. you aren't getting sugars if you only eat meat. that's why we're fucking OMNIVORES!
proved my point, vegetarians just think that without these farms, it's all rainbows and butterflies. that somehow, their lives are so much better. animals kill other animals and each other all the time. i have wild turkey in my backyard every year and at least 1 turkey dies as a result of them fighting to the death. they don't eat it or anything. i saw a fox just carrying a dead squirrel. regardless of whether or not an animal is caged or not, there's still death among animals. that's how nature works. we are animals too. we are no different inherently. we eat meat and other animals don't. it's that simple. the only difference between us and "them" is that we have developed a system where we don't have to catch our prey anymore.
We have the cognitive ability to not kill each other or other animals. You can't explain to animals that they shouldn't kill each other, but I can explain it to you. Everything we do has moved us away from animal behavior. We find rape and murder unacceptable. You're sitting on a computer ffs. Nothing natural about that. You don't need to hunt prey, you don't need to eat meat. So why do you do it?
@Takada so do dolphins and octopus. they are some of the smartest animals on the planet. they have cognitive thought. dolphins literally torture and play with their food before they completely murder it. how is that any worse? to think that animals don't have any form of cognitive thought just because you can't personally understand their form of communication is absolutely retarded. and that has separated ourselves from animals, but we are still animals. 1st world countries have developed far more than a 3rd world country, but they aren't any more animalistic, are they? because your or my country has access to certain things makes us better? yes, we have evolved past to where we don't need to do certain things like kill our own food, but we are still biologically the same whether you live in either type of environment. we have cars, bikes planes, roller blades, etc so i guess we are beyond walking now too. like the function of legs must be fundamentally wrong now too
Oh please😒 Dolphins and human beings are not even remotely comparable on an intellectual level. They are still wild animals. People on the other hand have access to the most nutritious fruit and vegetables from all over the world. There is no need to kill animals, but yet we are still dependent on those sources.
@Jackwagon are you shitting me? dolphins and octopi are among the smartest animals on earth. you have to be kidding me. either way, what about dogs or other pets? they don't have to hunt. cats are carnivores, but because we feed them, they must be beyond meat too, huh? same with dogs or any other pet because they aren't wild animals. ok, that makes total sense too.
We aren't carnivores. Check out the sharp canines on chimps, one of our closest relatives, and then observe their nearly exclusively vegetarian diet. We were not so different. Stone Age man hunted large animals out of necessity and ate them, but lo and behold humanity didn't flourish into the bronze and iron ages until farming was developed.
I'm not saying that dolphins aren't smart. for a wild Animal they are extremely intelligent, to the point where it's believed they have a sense of self that rivals consciousness. But I don't see many dolphins working for GE, or teaching calculus, or programming computer code. Human beings are unmatchably superior.
@Jackwagon ok, we aren't carnivores. we aren't herbivores either. if it's so wrong to kill animals for the nutritional value for the mass population, it should be just as wrong to grow and kill plants too because we don't have to grow it ourselves anymore. we can simply just take supplemental vitamins instead. i think we should just give up eating completely and inject raw protein into our systems.
animals still kill for fun. like i said, i've seen plenty animals just kill each other for the sake of it. chimps are smart. they fucking kill their young for the hell of it. but because they're wild, it makes them ok that they torture other animals or their own while i shouldn't eat meat that's prepackaged for my own nutrition... makes total sense.
@Jackwagon nigga, humans are animals. that's the point. strip away tech and we are animals. put a human in the wild and you can't live with a vegan diet. it's impossible. you don't suddenly biologically change just because you put on clothes and have a computer around you. if you give a monkey a monkey suit, it's still a monkey. the only difference is that we are able to take advantage of our environment collectively.
Also you mentioned the morality part of killing animals for food. That's always going to be a debatable issue.
Meat isn't necessarily unhealthy, I hope it didn't come across as me saying that because meat and animal fat is rich in energy. In an environment where access to nutritious fruit and vegetables is limited, meat is essential and personally I understand that.
But it's not like that in most places anymore. You can go to the produce section of Walmart and pick out all kinds of tasty plants that provide all of the necessary nutrients for being healthy
@Jackwagon no, it's not morally debatable. it's just debatable because someone is debating it. it's like debating 2+2=5. yes, you can try and debate it all you want, but the fact is that 2+2 will always equal 4 (exclude fuzzy math)
i believe that if you eating meat is a personal moral choice, then that's fine. i support that because, like i said, i have arfid. i can't eat certain foods without blowing chunks. there's more i simply hate cause i'm a super taster too. i'm actually not a huge meat eater myself. the thing that gets me is when people think we have morally or biologically evolved beyond meat just because of almost unlimited access to a source. we've never "had" to eat meat in the past unless in a tundra because animals are just harder to kill. but biologically, we still and continue to function perfectly fine eating meat. we are still animals and just have every reason to kill for food like other animals. food convenience and advancement of other society doesn't negate that
@Takada veganism hasn't been proven to be healthy for "all ages and stages if life." There are multiple studies that prove that children cannot be healthy only eating vegan. Granted some parents pull it off, but that's because they have studied nutrition and can manage the deficits veganism creates. The average soccor mom doesn't know how much protein her son needs or the difference between a complex and simple carbohydrate (nithing wrong with not knowing that) and since they lack the knowledge of a very specific faecet of developmental health they can't raise a healthy vegan child. It'd be like taking a prostate cancer patient to a dermatologist, they can recognize the symptoms but they don't know how to treat it.
i've read various things and i think that meat is good in moderation but i do feel bad for animals. recently i haven't been eating much meat. my protein source is mostly eggs and natto or tofu.
There are many vegan bodybuilders that I follow on Instagram. It's actually good for you. But to each their own. I'm a vegetarian transitioning to veganism.
Nope, it's not true, I'm not a vegan, but I have some vegan friends, and they have no health problems.
it´s bad for everybodies health. if you´re vegan, you can´t live without Nutritional supplements or you will do severe damage to your body.
The only supplement you need is B12. Everything else can be obtained from plants.
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so which plant exactly delivers iron then?
i´m not getting into the whole argument now. plants do not deliver anything you need period. i discussed that way too often and i´m pissed off by deluded vegans who whill just stomp over carefully researched advice with their moral imperative in the end anyway so excuse me if i shut this off just here.
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@nalaa then ask my aunt and uncle, both vegans of 20 years how veganism is like. they tell me from experience. no they´re no hipster "i´m gonna be vegan from now on" dummies, they planned this and carefully worked out a sustainable diet. they told me from their experience, that you can´t life healthy as a vegan, if you don´t take nutritional supplements... as i said i will not get into the "well this plant has this nutrient and this plant has that" argument, as the research that i would have to do AGAIN to win this argument would be too much and i´m lazy.
yeah you´re right though i meant "not everything" not "anything". excuse my lack of English eloquence.
it's not a matter of eloquence, you were saying plants provide no nutritional value at all
You don't need to do much research you just need to eat whole foods. Overall vegans do way better health wise than vegetarians or meat eaters. So your aunt and uncle are the exception not the rule
Do some research, man. Leafy green vegetables like spinach and kale deliver iron. There's also a lot of iron in beans. Next question? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9t4rQTAJzo
@Takada thing is: if you put in your head "veganism is healthy", you will find sources on the internet that will agree with that thought. as for everything else you look up on the internet, you are restricted by the outcome you set yourself so if you look for "is veganism healthy" you will find a lot of media that will confirm you opinion. just do a little critical research on "health problems coming with veganism"
i know you will probably still denie everything that might cause doubt in your opinion but yeah so be it. i´m not here to prove you otherwise. i stated my opinion and i don´t feel like disproving all those half assed vegan fanatic propaganda videos from youtube again.
@Takada yes you can actually take up iron by putting a rusty nail in an apple for half a day, pulling it out and then eating it. there are ways to get a somewhat healthy diet. this is why so many people do it in the first place.
but as i said, i´m not here for that debate. it´s a about "being healthy" as a veggan and you will be less healthy as a meat eater in the long run.
the argument "vegan people are healthier" is just based on the fact, that our society consumes too much meat on averages and under that assumption i will even agree that vegans on average are "healthier" as they have to put a LOT of thought in their diet.
*you will be less healthy than... my freaking german brain messed it up again.
fun fact by the way: our government even dissuades old or sick people or children from going vegan.
There are several studies out there proving vegans live longer than meat eaters.
Key TJ, Fraser GE, Thorogood M, et al. Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians: detailed findings from a collaborative analysis of 5 prospective studies. Am J Clin Nutr. 1999 Sep;70(3 Suppl):516S-24S.
Thorogood M, Mann J, Appleby P, McPherson K. Risk of death from cancer and ischaemic heart disease in meat and non-meat eaters. BMJ. 1994 Jun 25;308(6945):1667-70.
They also have fewer instances of heart disease and obesity.
If more meat makes your diet less healthy, then no meat at all would be best. Just like with cigarettes.
I'm gonna go with true... just look at that injury prone Arian Foster and his Vegan diet...
True, but so is our "average" Western diet of fast-food and three servings of meat per day.
I don't have time atm to go into details so I might come back and explain later. But I voted false.
I don't know about my health but it's bad for my tastebuds.
What would be bad about it?
watch vegan gains lol
... bad for my taste bus,,,,,
Men need protein
They suck though. Also, not all proteins are created equal. While soy and rice protein are nice, they aren't everything your body needs.
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