In any case, diet products are associated with higher instances of diabetes, heart disease and obesity.
Should low calorie products be banned?
In any case, diet products are associated with higher instances of diabetes, heart disease and obesity.
"In any case, diet products are associated with higher instances of diabetes, heart disease and obesity." Most anything can be show to have an association with bad things. But your statement has been pretty much debunked by reputable studies. Users have given you the links to the studies and you tried to change the subject by talking about the government and the presidential candidates. Please stick to the point at hand.
And when @redeyemindtricks gave all that information, with the link to document it, you called her a "self-righteous know it all". Really? WTF? You put out bad info and people here are trying to nicely show you the truth and your reaction is to fight with them.
Another user pointed out that your statement that the artificial components stayed in the body was wrong and your response was "Bruh my specialty is analytical chemistry" So she put on a video link that totally supported what he said and instead of even listening to it you said, "You got anything shorter because ain't nobody got time for that." What that is saying is yopu do not have time for the facts.
If you don' like the taste of artificial sweeteners and don't want to drink them, then don't. But this whole question has been turned into a saga because you put out bad info then refuse to listen to others who point out the problems with your position and say you don't have time to listen to the video proof.
well I don't think they should be banned if a lot of people like drinking it.
I would just check the nutrition label and decide from there.
im doing my best to avoid the cheesecake in the fridge lol
Low calorie products are a no-go if you're trying to lose weight. Your brain can recognise the difference between artificial sweeteners and sugar, meaning you're more likely to crave MORE sugar after consuming anything that is low calorie. It's a marketing ploy to trick people into thinking they're eating healthily.
Well I don't think they should be banned but I also don't think that they should be promoted in a positive way, just like cigarettes!
The sad thing is that A LOT of people who restrict their calories will take a 1 cal Diet Coke over a 150cal smoothie. Nutrients > calories.
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No, they shouldn't. Low calories products are an ideal alternative, much less harmful than processed sugar.
You should avoid sugary products anyways, so eating even low quantities of sugar IS harmful for your health. Low calorie products are more healthier in comparision, though it doesn't mean you can eat those in excess because that's where people go wrong.
Ideally, the only sugary foods we are supposed to eat are fruits. Sugar acts as a poison in the body, according to biochemistry, almost exactly as alcohol does. The reason why fruits are ideal is because of the high amount of fiber they contain. Fiber acts as an anti poison basically, and aids your body metabolize sugar appropiately. What diet products do is only lower to some degree the impact of sugar in your liver, and circulation, but they don't fully solve the actual problem about sugar.
Artificial sweetners, unlike sugar, are drained almost completely through urine. The body gets rid of it almost instantly by renal, instead of liver. Sugar by itself accumulates in the liver, while damaging it severly. And it can take weeks for the body to completely get rid of it.
It has been proven that, confirmed by the FDA and european food associations, artificial sweetners aren't cancer inducing. I had a seminary about this just two months ago in uni.
There are lots of faux myths circulating around the web. The reason why artificial sweetners aren't really advisable in excess ia because they don't have any nitritional value whatsoever (either carbs or protein), but it has been provedln the body gets rid of these faaaaaaar easier than sugars, and they don't have long lasting impacts on the body like sugar certainly does.
I'm taking analytic chemistry next semester, and biochemistry the next. So maybe I can discuss this in more detail by that time haha
All can tell you now, with certainty at least, is they are a far safer alternative than sugar. Avoid sugar as much as you possibly can, for your own good. I'll share smth with you in a bit, once I find it.
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I mean i get the hype around it n all, i thought it was toxic; but its actually been disproven that sucralose is bad for you. It's simply a myth circulated around the internet by mercola. com
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10882825
I mean i agree in most cases but the bbq sauce is so fucking goooood
They are banned from my diet lol. I'd rather just drink water than some nasty ass drink with less calories.
love water
@BertMacklinFBI water is great
I kind of think they should just because of what artificial sweeteners do to the body. Plus, I'm also allergic to a lot of them and they're super gross.
They advertise health yet are in many cases worse for the body than non low calorie products. Buyer beware
Why would someone ban low calorie foods? Seriously. We need to get rid of all the processed crap that has at least 200+ calories PER item. They aren't even filling. They just fatten us up.
That's your fault for not checking the labels, to be honest.
It may be unhealthy, but it will solve our obesity problems, and people do have a choice of eating it. Or, maybe both foods should be banned, but then we wouldn't have enough food for the population. I can see why they'd make either of them.
I'm not saying diet products should be consumed. I've honestly never had them. If they were to be banned, along with high calorie foods, then people would have choice but to eat natural foods (gee, as if that is so difficult to do).
So should diet soda
Seriously you'd have to be a major masochist to like diet coke
I was recently ecstatic to find a diet ginger ale that had no taste difference, damned if I can remember the brand
It depends on how you resolve the conflict between individual freedom and responsibility and the desire to have our government act in parens patriae.
Parens patriae is a Latin phrase which broadly refers to the principle that political authority carries with it the responsibility for protection of citizens. However, every time the government "protects" us, it does so by restraining our liberty, eliminating our right to make decisions for ourselves. our individual political autonomy.
You label artificial sweeteners as "poison" to overdramatize the problem and suggest the urgent need for a solution but artificial sweeteners are not poisons. They may have harmful side effects. Other things with harmful side effects include alcohol, coffee, marijuana, sugar, french fries, milkshakes, hiking in the mountains, swimming in the ocean, driving cars.
I don't need the government to protect me from all the harms in the world. Once the government starts "protecting" me, my liberty begins to be eroded. . . and nothing is as pernicious as the government allegedly trying to help us.
It's not my funeral because I am smart enough to make decisions for myself. I don't need the government to save me. In fact, I recently stopped using artificial sweeteners because of my concerns.
In the US, in the 1970's, the government/science establishment told us that butter was bad for us and that we should eat margarine instead of butter. Now, we are told that margarine contains harmful fats and butter is better for us. Trusting the government to 1) know the right answer, and 2) to tell us the right answer is naive. I have enough experience to not be naive.
So you have a mistrust of people? That must make like very uncomfortable for you.
Banning may be harsh but I agree wtih you and they affect us very badly.
Lol no way. Less detrimental than sugars.
@redeyemindtricks should we spend the time unloading our nutrition knowledge on gag today?
So don't overeat, problem solved
And this is why it's not worth my time discussing lol
Blaaa.
"The body has no idea how to handle artificial sugars and causes the body to crave more sugars, which leads people to overeat."
^^ There are some people who have reported this effect, but, of course, ACTUAL sugar has the SAME effect on them... only more so. So, by your logic, priority #1 should be to slap a nationwide ban on sugar, and only then to worry about the manmade baddies.
What's remarkable, actually, is the complete lack of scientific evidence for *any* effect of this sort.
If this effect were to occur, it would be the result of an insulin spike.
Hmm...
No insulin spike in non-diabetics: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1946186
No insulin spike in non-diabetics with or without carbs: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2182973
No effect on insulin -- or prolactin or cortisol or BG or GH either: ajcn.nutrition.org/content/49/3/427.full.pdf
I mean, of course there's no such thing as a free lunch, and there ARE adverse effects of consuming too much of these things -- you can get the runs, flatulence, etc. -- but you can just feel those things out.
But, basically, everything these do, real sugar does, and worse.
Best course of action is just to avoid all of these things, altogether. If not, then, it's a decision of priorities, and of knowing yourself and how you personally react to the things.
What's MOST worrisome, though, is this whole mentality of "Ban it ban it ban it waaahhhh!"
Like, really?
Is THAT the solution?
Government as a parent?
I mean, yeah, that's a convenient way to avoid personal responsibility, and all... but, nope. Best to just educate ourselves, and make educated decisions accordingly.
The scariest part is that the people yelling the loudest to "Ban it ban it ban it!" are always the people who are ALSO yelling the loudest about how much their government sucks. sheesh.
@redeyemindtricks I mean your government is the worst in the world. Look what gas bag might end up president.
Our government's far from perfect, but, at present at least, we've managed to avoid the scourge of over-regulating anything and everything adults might want to put into their own bodies.
In any case, the worst offender in terms of "causing the body to crave more sugars" is... sugar itself.
Adults really shouldn't EVER consume sugar, except perhaps in the brief window directly after a max-intensity weight workout. And even then the benefits are debatable, vis-Ã -vis slower-digesting carbohydrates.
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The other thing artificial sweeteners have going for them is that people with diabetes 1 (IDDM) -- who would need to shoot up with Humalog/insulin lispro if they wanted to consume something with "natural" sugar -- can often tolerate them without having to adjust their insulin dosages.
@redeyemindtricks don't you fitness model types starve yourselves before competitions so you look extra ripped? I don't know why you think you know anything about health.
Yeahhh Asker you don't want to go toe-to-toe with @redeyemindtricks on fitness nutrition, you'll get your ass whopped every single damn time lol
Asker you should just drop the pride for once and sit down and learn lol seriously. Tons to learn from her. Even I have learned a ton from her and I'm probably 2nd most knowledgeable about fitness/nutrition on this site.
... what are you even talking about lol
She did more than I would, citing sources, etc. Chances are you are going to ignore the research lol Good ole gag *eye roll*
From Redeyes since you blocked her Asker (really? lol..)
"Pre-competition consists of maximum fat loss WITHOUT triggering the starvation response. In any decently fit person with low body fat, the starvation response would cause the body to cannibalize muscle tissue like crazy, since muscle is "expensive", metabolically speaking.
That's not an easy thing to do, so... yeah, it demands a great deal of knowledge of human nutrition and physiology.
And, it's the immediately applicable, sink-or-swim kind of knowledge, too. Ain't no "review committee" like a measuring tape, a mirror, and some bright-ass lights, I'll tell ya that."
Free market capitalism; you have the right to buy or not buy
strangley enough i was speaking about this kinda of stuff in my class today weird :)
Ya but I'd like to live in a less obese country please
No let people choose what they eat as long as it's approved by the FDA.
If it doesn't automatically kill you then it should be up to you how much you consume not the government.
Lol forgot about that. How much money was wasted making that?
i just gave a facebook page about sugar a run down of of more serous issues in the world. the issue here isn't low calories, it's laziness
Most fat people drink diet coke😈
why did you buy it if you already know the risks?
ahh. lol
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