I got an illegal immigrant pregnant. She will probably get married to someone else soon. Should I be involved?

I was in a dead end relationship with a girl. It was bad pretty much from the beginning. She broke up with me right after she found out she was pregnant but it was clear to both of us that this was inevitable. She was on birth control and it was dumb to let it go on as long as it did but that's in the past now.


She is very poor. She came here on a visa from Asia that has expired years ago. She is going to lose her job soon. Her life is going nowhere here but she had a good life and career in Asia and deeply misses her family there. She has thought about going back to Asia many times but has a green card fantasy of America.


Her ex fiance is still in love with her and wants to marry her despite everything that has happened. She said she might do this but has to be sure because she doesn't want to hurt him. She has also said she plans on dating right after the baby. She says she is confidant she will get married one way or another within a few years after the kid is born. She refuses to make a decision on the ex fiance right now and says she only wants to think about the kid at the moment.


She's not the type that can think things through very well in advance so I think she doesn't realize how demanding it would be to raise a kid and how difficult dating would be as a full time mother. I think this would push her more towards her ex fiance.


I also think she underestimates how lonely she will be and how much she will miss her family and want to go back and be with them. She initially said she would go back to Asia because she couldn't handle not being with them during this. She now says she won't go back but doesn't want to think about the possibility that she won't get married so I feel she may change her mind. Her family would be able to help her tremendously with watching the kid, enabling her to date and it would be easier for me to financially support her there as well, plus she could have a career again.


She has said she is okay with me being involved or not being involved - either way. She said she will not get the courts involved for child support but I said I will support her financially whether a court tells me to or not or whether she is in America or not and I mean it.


I do not want to have a kid. Given the crazy scenario, I felt adoption would be best. She will not consider this though so I don't want to push it. I feel my life will be ruined if I am involved and that I'd be miserable the rest of my life. I think she also would be miserable having to deal with me the rest of her life.


The best situation in my mind is if the kid lives in a normal family and will happen if she gets married so I don't think I should be involved in the kid's life if she does that. I also don't want to prevent her from moving back to Asia because that situation would be easier for everyone financially, etc. However, there is some possibility that neither of these will happen. So the question is:


Do I get involved in the kid's life or not?

 

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  • im gonna have to agree with toulouse on this one...


    and also, you're a horrible man. shame on you.

    • OMG... it's so hard to tell if these women are Democrats or Republicans, Religilous or Atheists, because these guilt/shame/self-serving definitions or morality in order to justify behaving the way the speaker wants you to are oh so reminiscent of arguments against abortion. "You should be ashamed! You're killing a baby! You're being irresponsible and destroying human life. Take responsibility for your actions - you made your own bed, not you have to live with the consequences! God!"

  • You are an adult. You willingly engaged in sexual relations with a grown Woman. You know no birth control is 100% effective. She is regnant. Yo are both legally responsible for the child.


    If you can't deal with the potential consequences of Intercourse, I suggest you keep your dck wrapped up and out of commition. Instead of trying to weasel out of it after the fact.


    You say you'll support her but are trying to think of all sorts of ways to get rid of her. The child is a child.It will need more than money. As you yourself realized.



    If you doubt her judgement so much, that's really not a good reason to be outside of the childs life. it doesn't care if you guys were breaking up. its got nothing to do with the fact it will becoming into tihs world and will need care.


    Perhaps you should have stopped f***ing, but you did not. deal with it.


    Describing her as a card/ gold digger, doesn't make you come out looking better. It just makes you look like a coward trying to thwart responsability. You are the Dad.

    • So, the crux of her argument is essentially: (1) if the woman doesn't want to be financially responsible for a child yet at this point in her life, then f*** the child, and f*** the man who may want to be a father; she doesn't want to be a mother, that's all that matters; but (2) if the man doesn't want to be financially responsible for a child yet at this point in his life, think about the child, think about the woman who wants to be a mother, they had sex, supporting the child is what matters

    • The argument falls apart, however, when she introduces the guilt-trip about the poor little child. Notice how that argument doesn't exactly come in the way of terminating developing human life for the same of a woman not becoming a parent. Also notice how the argument of engaging in sex or knowledge that birth control is not 100% effective doesn't act as any kind of bar to abortion or unilaterally adopting the child out following birth (without perhaps an aspiring father's consent).

    • Don't take anything toulouse says too seriously. When it comes to male/female issues, she always spits out a healthy dose of moral expressivism in an effort to provide some authority for her self-serving position of why women should have control over your ability to control your status as a parent, but why men should never have any control over a woman's ability to control her status as a parent. She knows as long as she sticks to biology and the act of sex, she has some argument.

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    It depends how far into the pregnancy she is.


    If she's still in the first trimester, you could move for injunctive relief. You could move to compel her to undergo an abortion, or in the alternative, give you the right (after the birth of the child) to adopt the child out without her consent, or in the alternative, have both her and the child be estopped from seeking financial support from you or any government entity (because then the government will seek indemnity or contribution from you). The last catch-all alternative will have the effect of getting her to seriously consider abortion if she's still in the first trimester, consider adopting the child out if she cannot afford supporting the child on her own, or mustering up financial support from her family or other men in her life to support her dreams of being a mommy and having a baby.


    If she's late into her pregnancy, you're SOoL (sh*t out of luck). The only thing you can do now is absolutely not get involved with her or her child whatsoever. In fact, make every effort to introduce her to new guys, and even try to encourage those guys to get involved with her child. That way, her and her child can be estopped from trying to go after you as the biological father. It's called paternity by estoppel (or paternal estoppel). If it looks like the father, if it acts like the father, if the child calls it dad, if it calls the child son or daughter, then as far as the law cares, it's the father. Paternal estoppel is so powerful the father by estoppel can actually legally prevent the biological father from having access to the child. The sword, however, cuts both ways. If the mother or child attempt to go after the biological father for financial support, the biological father can simply point to the father by estoppel.


    Custody and support go hand-in-hand. If you cut off the "right" to custody, then you necessarily cut off the "obligation" of support. So, for as long as paternity was established, and it was first established by estoppel, the biological father has neither a "right" to custody over the child, nor an "obligation" to support the child. The father by estoppel can literally exclude the biological father from even visiting or associating with his biological child. The child, mother, and father by estoppel, however, cannot go after the biological father for child support. That's the double-edged sword that is paternity by estoppel.


    So, start helping her sign up for an eharmony and match.com account lol

    • Think of paternity like an empty pair of shoes the courts are trying to force someone to wear. Unless the biological father is identified, nobody is wearing the paternity shoes. If the non-biological man acts like the father of a child, then paternal estoppel applies. That means, the non-biological man has stepped into the paternity shoes. Yet, it's not until someone requests or contests paternity that the courts get involved to merely "identify who" is wearing those paternity shoes.

    • You don't need to sign anything or formally adopt-out or take part in any kind of legal proceeding in order for your parental rights (and liabilities) to be stripped from you. Paternal estoppel is automatic; it's just a function of time and degree of interaction between the child and the non-biological "father." As soon as the non-biological father is equitably estopped from denying paternity, you have LOST any and all parental rights and obligations related to your biological child.

    • Good point on the matter of choice. It's something I think a lot of women don't understand. To have the rest of your life decided by someone else is a whole different mindset. We both had a choice in the beginning and both screwed up but only she has the power of choice now.

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  • Don't get involved. Any more involvement and you'll just be tainting your name.

    Also, at least, be responsible for the child.

  • Wow this sounds like one of the immigrant mindset. Don't get me wrong, I was once an immigrant but now I am a citizen so I can totally relate to your story.


    I don't know where this value or moral came from, but some female immigrants get pregnant ON PURPOSE to use her child as a financial stepping stone for her family, her loved one (her ex-fiance on your case), or just for herself.


    There was a case and a new rule a couple of years ago, about Chinese women coming here as pregnant women, and giving birth HERE in the united states.


    If a child is born here in the united states, he/she is an natural born American citizen and there is a law about forbidding to kickout the illegal mother if her son/daughter is born.


    So there you go, do you wanna get involved? Involved in what? A scam? How will the child feel when he/she finds out his/her mother didn't have any intentions of giving birth to their child other than for her own benefits?

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