I really don't know why people have such an issue with her. It's not like YOU are her. Like grow up, shut the fuck up, sip your drink, live your life, and stop being "disgusted" with something that really don't concern you or your life.
I WOULD have agreed with you if this shit wasn't all over the place.. just like the rest of her family I actually think she's craving attention and will do anything for it. She could have quietly had a sex change and just lived a normal life, but she didn't choose to do that. Therefore everyone is allowed to have whatever opinion they like. If someone wants to talk about how disgusted they are, they have that right, if someone else wants to praise her, they have that right too. No one should be criticized for their beliefs and opinions. I am intolerant of people who are intolerant of free thinkers, and being a free thinker we're allowed to voice whatever opinion we want about Caitlyn. That's what you get when you're an attention seeker. On the other hand, if he was trying to live a private/normal life and paparazzi were harassing him, I'd agree with you, but we ALL know that's not the case. The entire Kardashian clan, including some of the Jenners, are a bunch of attention seeking hoes
I would agree with you if not for the fact that she was part of the Kardashians. Popularity and fame make it so privacy, especially in making complete lifestyle choices as such, are impossible. Someone would have noticed and made it a big deal eventually. You can't just transition quietly if your famous, just a fact.
@aamina_m He is not transgendered. He is a crossdresser. Hell he's not even gay cause he doesn't like men and never has. I think its insulting to real transgendered people
It's actually not impossible. Someone I know personally is actually really famous and he manages his privacy just fine. And since i know him, I've met other famous musicians who also keep under the radar. Everyone thinks it's not possible.. but it is lol. Take a look at other actors/actresses/musicians who are actually more famous than the Kardashians who kept their lives private... even some who didn't have a private life, but then changed it so that they do.
@cjmtherfcker I didn't know he's not transgendered? I didn't read much about him.. lol so all this big deal just because he's a cross-dresser? HA I know so many cross-dressers.
@cjmtherfcker Not all transsexual men are gay. For example, I am a transsexual but as a female I was a lesbian and now I am considered straight. My friend sam, who is also transsexual, was straight as a female and is not considered a gay male.
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender identity.
So you were born female and then turned male. now your considered straight? just trying to make sure im your saying. But your friend was born a woman and she likes men but turned herself into a man? Seems counterproductive to her sexual orientation
I was born male with a females body, something many cis-gendered people will never understand. But yes, I am straight and my friend is gay. Again, sexual orientation and gender identity are two separate things. You can be a transsexual man and be gay, straight, bi, pansexual, a-sexual, whatever sexual. Your gender does not determine your sexual orientation and never will really.
I'm sorry to say this as it has nothing to do with the article but only black people have thought the title to be about their race and not what it actually is.. An age old saying that origionated in FASHION!! It has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. NOT everything is racist and Black is a god damn colour too it doesn't always refer to race this is pissing me off to no end. Chip on your shoulder much? yes nobody is denying your ANCESTORS were discriminated against but doesn't mean you have to continually shout RACIST when the word black in muttered!! Sorry rant over...
No it's not, where do you think "orange is the new black" came from? The phrase actually originates in the fashion world. The colour Black is always considered chic and popular in the fashion world, so "____ is the new black" means that it is now being considered the new 'in' thing. I know it's not about transgender being compared to black people THAT WAS MY POINT *smh*
She's transgender too :O Anyways, I do have a lot of respects for them. Despite all the hates and insults they might receive throughout their entire lives, they chose to be who they really want to be. That choice takes a lot of confident.
Sorry but I can't help but gag after looking at all that, it's just wrong plain and simple and all the surgery in the world is not going to change that fact that they are men.
You can put a 57 Chevy bumper on a 57 Ford Buick but at the end of the day it's still a 57 Ford Buick.
@therealspencer Nothing is going to change my mind on the matter and if you have done any research yourself you would know that being a male or female goes down to the genetic level of the chromosomes which can not be altered, not without playing god anyway and getting into some really messed up stuff.
Sure you can change the way you look but at the end of the day your still what you were born as a man or a women and it is unnatural and agaisnt nature to change that.
Now shoo kid, I don't have time or the patience for your ignorance, practice what you preach and do the research yourself before calling someone an asshole and telling them to do the research. ( and by the way I studied genetics and DNA altering in high school so this is nothing new to me )
@gagTake Honestly, they look ugly. Ugly and fake. Nobody should want a fake 'woman'. Do you want a replica, or a real one? This question shouldn't be hard i guess..
I'm not saying it's forbidden to undergo such a thing, to become an artificially altered 'human', but people, please, don't glorify it. Don't make it seem great that those people want go change, because it simply is not. Natural women for the win!
What the male species as a whole will never understand is that it isn't about who/what you want to stick your dick in. These women underwent these procedures to find peace with themselves and to lead the lives they want to lead, not to attract you.
@been_waiting @Bards @itsallover The thing is, it shouldn't be glorified. Some quote i read: 'What a good job Caithlyn, im proud of you!' People are happy because others undergo these kind of things. Horrible in my opinion. 'Yay lets promote gender change! What a good idea!!' (very sarcastic) Why can't humans stay natural, and not artificially altered?
@been_waiting Sadly it's been shown that transitioning doesn't resolve the psychological issues for all of them. Basically showing that the gender id issues are more complex than simply becoming a woman/man. Not everyone finds peace, is what I'm getting at.
Obesity shouldn't be glorified because of the health problems. Transgenders are doing something that benefits their life and happiness, it's not unhealthy for them. Glorifying transgenders isn't going to turn everyone transgender, glorifying obesity will probably make many people lazier.
"The thing is" lol that wasn't your original point, back tracking I see.
But no one is glorifying it. They're simply supporting these individuals as they struggle to be themselves in a hateful society. Supporting these people isn't going to destroy the human race, but hate and ignorance takes lives and causes misery.
@been_waiting It is going to destroy the human race. These kind of things will get accepted and seen as normal (really sad). People will get more flexible with these kind of stuff. Once people get more flexible, they will also see other things as normal, like genetic mutation. They will really start to find almost everything normal, which is hated nowadays (like transgender). The future has a lot of new tools to give, yet to be discovered. They will think, 'its normal', because theyre flexible. Think of something, like a pill, that could make you immortal. Humanity should totally not accept that. More and more things will get accepted, and in the worst case, maybe even glorified.
Lol! Nobody is asking others to become transgender, it's just increasing awareness that there are people out there who struggle with their gender identify. It's letting their voices be heard, as well as inspiring the people who DO have gender identity issues that they are not alone. In terms of your point of it harming the human race, it simply won't cause an epidemic of people who want to become the opposite gender to the point that we no longer want to reproduce as a species. That's just ridiculous. As for it not being normal, what even is normalcy nowadays?
@LauraMarx Humans are doomed to wipe their own race. Look at all the war which the new technology has brought. If lots of things are getting accepted, then more and more technological things will be made, and thus humans will be closer to extinction. Please use your mind next time, so i won't have to spend 3 minutes typing this.
@remonster not everyone finds peace, that's absolutely right. But a lot do, or they at least feel more comfortable post transition. What's the problem.
We have reached a sad place when the phrase "Natural women for the win!" creates feelings of outrage. Next time some guy talks about robot wives or some other nonsense, I guess we have to accept their metal bride as a real woman as well. I can understand teaching tolerance, but that doesn't mean we have to accept them as being something they aren't.
Honestly, I don't find them gorgeous because they're putting on a load of make up and gone through a lot of surgeries. And I'd rather call them gorgeous being who they really are, being a man. I know a lot of down votes are on the way, It's just my opinion. Being transsexual is mostly a disorder I think it should be treated.
An insult to women everywhere. Womanhood cannot be purchased nor fabricated with makeup and clothes. A lady is more than her underwear or the mascara she buys. It's her brain and biology that gives her the birth rite to be uniquely loving and nurturing.
But there are changes that happen early in fetal development that affect the brains of people. If these changes don't go as planned, the fetal brain is forever changed, so it literally is the brain and biology that make these situations more than black and white and make what these people are going through more than makeup and clothes. It's biologically how they are wired.
Yes, exactly this opinion! A woman is only truly a woman when she is born as a woman (and stays a woman) and when she is brought up as a woman. Women think on different way than guys, so trans people are actually 'women' with a guy mind.
If you're gonna be a hateful individual, don't try to justify your bigotry with a god. Grow up and just admit to disliking trans people because they look weird to you.
@MakedSanity Honey, I don't use God as a cover up, I use that to explain the truth behind why transgenderisim is sinful to Yahweh. My God. I am a grown women, and it makes me sick to think that womanhood can bought and counter fitted for a price. My God loves them and I pray for them. Now... stop.. calling.. me.. NAMES!
I agree with @thegingersnap16! This is a complete insult!!! A woman is not a man's sex toy!!! This goes out to all you men out there who have no respect for women!!! Ladies, you are very special!!! Don't let those men use you. @MaskedSanity, leave @thegingersnap16 alone!!! Stop insulting her comments. All you are doing is insulting her, me, and our God and our King!!!
Transgender may be the new black but it's the old fucked-up.
While I can accept and laud the internal bravery that it takes to become practice transgenderism, we shouldn't laud it as a lifestyle. People who are transgendered are mutants, pure and simple, from a biological and evolutionary perspective. For a true transgender, the cause of the mutation may be genetic or gestational, but, nonetheless, it is a mutation. Cisgendered heterosexuality is the norm and the biological ideal for species propagation and evolution. Meanwhile, lauding transgenderism is dangerous in that weak minds of cisgendered heterosexuals may experiment and eventually end up with psychological problems. This is the nature versus nurture debate.
I didn't realize the GaGTeam was into LGBT propaganda...
"Aren't they gorgeous?" yeah that doesn't sound like a biased question at all...[sarcasm]
I have nothing against transgenders but I have something against lobbying. A neutral way of asking the question would be "What do you think of them?"
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Lmao seriously people are literally dying on the streets with no bread to eat and all americans think about is accepting this ''huuuuuuuuuuge thing'' as if it wasn't huge decades ago and getting all emotional, it's great to accept people as they are, but make a HUUUUUGE FUCKING DEAL about it? I mean come ON!
Its big deal because so many transgenders have been bullied to the point of suicide. a big deal because transgenders look to caitlyn a positive role model. And its not just but her family as well. The they give is incredible. Not many transgenders have family that support them.
Yeah yeah yeah, many beautiful and fat people has also been bullied to the point of suicide, life is hard for everyone. Yeah good for them, but to try and make every single person on earth to see this over and over and over and over again? Majority of people don't think it's normal and will not change their minds.
So we should ignore a transgender persons struggles? I agree we should help people but really your statement is redundant as getting people to realize that trans people exist and that it's not some disgusting thing is not related at all to people who are homeless. Unless you're talking about trans kids who are kicked out of their homes by their parents.
@Belgie: So wishing they'd get a clue is the same as wishing death on them? My, you guys are paranoid. Let me guess, you're confusing moral and civil Jewish law again, and acting like it makes no difference to modern American law and religious attitude. *yawn* I hope I don't have to have this discussion again. I'm still bored from the last 50 times I've had to explain it.
@therealspencer LOLOLOL If you are implying that I have made a threat to you, learn how to read. I said, one day somebody will probably break your neck.. and I would stand and watch. Don't think that is a death threat. this is why 14yr olds shouldn't be on the internet.
Down is up black is white and something can be created from nothing...
I respect all choices n personal decisions but traps aren't cool, if u decide to go forward with such operations then u should bear the responsibility of informing people b4 engaging in any sexual acts
AND definitely don't lead people on without their knowledge
transgender isn't about sex change, its internal. people who can't afford sex change still can consider themselves transgender., you can also get a sex change and still consider yourself your original; gender. personally i think gender is meaningless,. people are all sorts of variations of humans and sex divide doesn't clearly divide behavior. however following the logic of how you personally internal;is gender, clothing surgery make up even behavior has nothing to do with it.. its joist about how you feel.
and she insult a hero., she just got 1,00s of $ worth of cosmetic surgery like the rest of her family. they are all attention freaks.
one thing ill say--she does look better s an older woman than she looked as an older man.
I can understand those who have felt like they were born "in the wrong body" since childhood. I fully accept it and encourage them to follow their hearts.
I'm not completely sure why I don't sympathize for "Caitlyn." Bruce lived the majority of his life as a man and even went as far as to have a family. You mean to tell me that during all of that time, he was just 'pretending' to be straight, or whatever you call it...
Gender has nothing to do with sexual/love preferences. Remember, Bruce can still have a female gender and still like women. I don't think Bruce was pretending to be straight, if anything Bruce might have pretended to be a man. Which is different...
By that reasoning all gay men who identify as male are faking it. sexuality and gender identity are diffrent and by his own admission he has always felt like a women but has always been attracted to women not men. Also my grandfather was gay and had several children with my grandmother before coming out. Fear of judgment can and does cause people to act in certain ways and hide who they truly are.
It's not really like being black. Once they've had the operation and look like the new them, they can walk the streets and nobody will know, they can have friends that don't know, they can hide it if they want to. Black people cannot hide their skin. Black people will be judged regardless, just on appearance. A trans can go for a job and nobody will know they're trans and they won't not get the job because of that, black people can't go to the interview and pretend they aren't black so they're more likely to get the job. They can't pretend they're not black so they don't get followed by security in stores or randomly stopped and searched. Yea it's a struggle, but it's not as visible as being black so they won't have half as much judgement.
Yes ma'am, i read more comments after and found out *face palm* there was just too many comments to read at once so i didn't notice before. I've heard a few gay people say being gay is like being black and assumed this was the same. Lesson learned, never assume.
Some of them look disgusting. You can't stop me from feeling disgusted when I see a transgender even if you force me to call them women. These pics are by far the best looking trans I saw most real transgenders are weird looking and so fucking annoying.
@bang678 I don't hate anyone based on anything. I find their looks unpleasant to look at. And I'm not gonna change that to make anyone feel good. I won't tell them in their face I won't like them either.
Transgender women. Not "a trans" or "a transgender."
Transgender people don't have to be good looking. They do not have to fit your perspective of "women" or "men". They don't exist to cater to you, sweetie :)
OMG... OMG... OMG bruce is SUCH a hero!!! I'm surprised obama hasn't called him, her or whatever it is yet to give him/her/it a congressional medal of honor (forget all the real heros in our military).
Everybody bang the drums, blow the horns and scream at the top of your lungs... HOORAY! WE'RE GAY!
Its a big deal because Caitlyn and her family stands as a positive role model for so many transgenders that have been bullied and abused for their sexuality, many to the point of suicide.
bang678... did it ever occur to you that maybe trannys were delusional and mentally unstable to begin with despite their so called "gender identity crisis"? Instead of giving them psychiatric care lets reward their delusions, put them on vanity fair, give them "hero" awards and millions of fucking dollars. Scream bigot all you want... but it's the truth! Those who hate the truth call the truth HATE! www.theblaze.com/.../bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man
you know about 10 years ago most people had the same opinion towards homos as they did towards trannys right now (i. e. the majority did NOT approve of their lifestyles). God bless the liberal media, liberal public education and the ultra liberal hollywood for blessedly warping the impressionable masses. For those of you who had hit puberty before or during 2005... did you ever imagine a day when a delusional washed up 65 year old man would make the cover of vanity fair and receive an award for being a "hero" because he decided to mutilate his body? Is chester the child molester going to be the next media star/hero come 2020? Many of you all scoff at comparison but once you tolerate this crap it becomes the standard and brings "tolerance" to more delusions.
The true heroes are the men and woman who serve and protect our county so these 'stars' can make foolish publicity stunts like this. It's not brave because they're getting publicity and more money. Nobody is trying to shoot, bomb, maim, or torture information from these 'stars'.
Abomination i say its disturbing to think people get so sick in the head they go against nature, mutilate their bodies and transform into something they are not
@Tokana it does seem that way but its not about conservative and liberal it has to do with right and wrong, we shouldn't be promoting or supporting wrong things
Having surgery to transform yourself to something you want is just wrong
Are u dismissing that, via mutation, the emotional and psychological makeup of a human specimen's internal identity doesn't match up with their physical anatomy?
@Prof_Don dude do you hear how crazy that sounds!!! People who want to change their gender have mental illness Internal identity is created by the mind, so it just means these people are mentally ill and have created a female identity of themselves
Yeah this is some twisted sick shit. You are what you are, and surgically and chemically altering your body for non-medical reasons is unnecessary and illogical. I love how people oppose the use of anabolic steroids, but they support this level of surgical and hormonal tampering. It's just slightly hypocritical
@Prof_Don So if you support the freedom of people to drastically alter their body chemistry to artificially turn into the opposite gender, do you support the use of hgh, anabolic steroids, or estrogen inhibitors to enhance muscle mass and athletic performance?
@Prof_Don Now, does that extend to harder drug use, such as methamphetamine or heroin? How about polygamy? I guess what I'm getting at, is when do you think it is permissible for the state or society as a whole, to restrict personal choices? What if those personal choices were destructive, and costly to taxpayers? What if they needlessly increase the demand for medical services and hormonal therapy when they don't even have a physical medical condition that warrants its use?
Regardless of whether your chopped your penis off, had boob implants etc.. you can't deny that these men carry an "XY" chromosome not an "XX" chromosome... They can't change their genetic make up. And it is very disturbing know that society s creating a standard that this is acceptable. I'm sorry but this is wrong beyond many levels.
@bang678 I disagree. If you are born into this world, and if you have a penis, Your gender identity is male. If you are born into this world with a vagina, You are female. That is gender identity. Gender identity has nothing to do with the lies people tell themselves or the lies they want to live out.
@bang678 Are you kidding me? So to decide what gender you identify yourself as, All you need to do is think that you are something other than what you physically and genetically are, and poof, you are as you imagined? There is nothing to confuse about gender identity. It's either you are a male, or a female. There is no "other area" to be determined by your imagination.
@banger678 I understand where you're coming from, but gender identification is already given to us based on our genetic make up. What questionable in this matter is that a grown man in his 60's who has developed mind has decided that he is a female... don't you think that there maybe some sort of illness behind this? a lot of these transgender males are full grown adults... the fact that their denying their gender says a lot more about their mental health and emotional wellbeing.
But what is most frightening of the matter is that society is being desensitised to accept people with possible mental health issues is ok. Thats whats wrong in many levels. I cannot be a conformist to society and accept this problem. I could see the potential damage it will cause in the long run not only in the younger generation but to the generations now.
Imagine your current mind set and you're suddenly dropped into a womans body. Mentally you are a guy, you see yourself as a guy. But you're stuck in this body that wasn't meant for you. Thats what its like. There are cases if children who genuinely feel like this even. Some cases to the point that the child would rather die than be stuck in the wrong body.
I'm so sick of hearing "gender identity is different than the genitals you were born with" crap. If you were born with a vagina... you are a woman. If you were born with a penis... you are a man. It's called common sense people look it up. Stop trying to find excuses.
Talking about biology... genetic mutations happen in all organisms.
Are u dismissing that, via mutation, the emotional and psychological makeup of a human specimen's internal identity doesn't match up with their physical anatomy?
How is it fair for someone to live under a false gender identity that doesn't match their anatomical makeup?
She is gorgeous, so are the other WOMEN that were shown above.
People become more open minded, even if you dont like it be respectful. It's not hard i swear. As long as they are not harming anyone i see nothing wrong with it.. Also please.. please stop using bible verses to back up your hate towards others who chose i different path.
You just talked about being open minded but when people quote bible verses it's all of a sudden hate? Why as Christians is not okay for us to speak out against what we don't believe in? So you believe Jesus Christ is a hateful God? I don't hate bruce jenner but I do disagree with his lifestyle and I do pray that he gets delivered from his lifestyle.
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I really don't know why people have such an issue with her. It's not like YOU are her. Like grow up, shut the fuck up, sip your drink, live your life, and stop being "disgusted" with something that really don't concern you or your life.
I WOULD have agreed with you if this shit wasn't all over the place.. just like the rest of her family I actually think she's craving attention and will do anything for it. She could have quietly had a sex change and just lived a normal life, but she didn't choose to do that. Therefore everyone is allowed to have whatever opinion they like. If someone wants to talk about how disgusted they are, they have that right, if someone else wants to praise her, they have that right too. No one should be criticized for their beliefs and opinions. I am intolerant of people who are intolerant of free thinkers, and being a free thinker we're allowed to voice whatever opinion we want about Caitlyn. That's what you get when you're an attention seeker. On the other hand, if he was trying to live a private/normal life and paparazzi were harassing him, I'd agree with you, but we ALL know that's not the case. The entire Kardashian clan, including some of the Jenners, are a bunch of attention seeking hoes
I would agree with you if not for the fact that she was part of the Kardashians. Popularity and fame make it so privacy, especially in making complete lifestyle choices as such, are impossible. Someone would have noticed and made it a big deal eventually. You can't just transition quietly if your famous, just a fact.
@aamina_m He is not transgendered. He is a crossdresser. Hell he's not even gay cause he doesn't like men and never has. I think its insulting to real transgendered people
It's actually not impossible. Someone I know personally is actually really famous and he manages his privacy just fine. And since i know him, I've met other famous musicians who also keep under the radar. Everyone thinks it's not possible.. but it is lol. Take a look at other actors/actresses/musicians who are actually more famous than the Kardashians who kept their lives private... even some who didn't have a private life, but then changed it so that they do.
@cjmtherfcker I didn't know he's not transgendered? I didn't read much about him.. lol so all this big deal just because he's a cross-dresser? HA I know so many cross-dressers.
@cjmtherfcker Not all transsexual men are gay. For example, I am a transsexual but as a female I was a lesbian and now I am considered straight. My friend sam, who is also transsexual, was straight as a female and is not considered a gay male.
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender identity.
So you were born female and then turned male. now your considered straight? just trying to make sure im your saying. But your friend was born a woman and she likes men but turned herself into a man? Seems counterproductive to her sexual orientation
I was born male with a females body, something many cis-gendered people will never understand. But yes, I am straight and my friend is gay.
Again, sexual orientation and gender identity are two separate things. You can be a transsexual man and be gay, straight, bi, pansexual, a-sexual, whatever sexual. Your gender does not determine your sexual orientation and never will really.
I'm sorry to say this as it has nothing to do with the article but only black people have thought the title to be about their race and not what it actually is.. An age old saying that origionated in FASHION!! It has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE. NOT everything is racist and Black is a god damn colour too it doesn't always refer to race this is pissing me off to no end. Chip on your shoulder much? yes nobody is denying your ANCESTORS were discriminated against but doesn't mean you have to continually shout RACIST when the word black in muttered!! Sorry rant over...
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The title is a play off the title of the show "Orange is the New Black".
This take wasn't about comparing being transgender to being black.
No it's not, where do you think "orange is the new black" came from?
The phrase actually originates in the fashion world. The colour Black is always considered chic and popular in the fashion world, so "____ is the new black" means that it is now being considered the new 'in' thing. I know it's not about transgender being compared to black people THAT WAS MY POINT *smh*
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She's transgender too :O
Anyways, I do have a lot of respects for them. Despite all the hates and insults they might receive throughout their entire lives, they chose to be who they really want to be. That choice takes a lot of confident.
It takes a special kind of idiot to try to become a women
It takes a special kind of dumbass to be a close minded and judgmental asshole.
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LOL I agree
Sorry but I can't help but gag after looking at all that, it's just wrong plain and simple and all the surgery in the world is not going to change that fact that they are men.
You can put a 57 Chevy bumper on a 57 Ford Buick but at the end of the day it's still a 57 Ford Buick.
stop being an asshole. do some research.
@therealspencer Nothing is going to change my mind on the matter and if you have done any research yourself you would know that being a male or female goes down to the genetic level of the chromosomes which can not be altered, not without playing god anyway and getting into some really messed up stuff.
Sure you can change the way you look but at the end of the day your still what you were born as a man or a women and it is unnatural and agaisnt nature to change that.
Now shoo kid, I don't have time or the patience for your ignorance, practice what you preach and do the research yourself before calling someone an asshole and telling them to do the research.
( and by the way I studied genetics and DNA altering in high school so this is nothing new to me )
Agreed.
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Honestly, they look ugly. Ugly and fake.
Nobody should want a fake 'woman'. Do you want a replica, or a real one? This question shouldn't be hard i guess..
I'm not saying it's forbidden to undergo such a thing, to become an artificially altered 'human', but people, please, don't glorify it. Don't make it seem great that those people want go change, because it simply is not.
Natural women for the win!
What the male species as a whole will never understand is that it isn't about who/what you want to stick your dick in. These women underwent these procedures to find peace with themselves and to lead the lives they want to lead, not to attract you.
Shame on you.
I'm sure they didn't go through all these procedures just so a guy can wolf-whistle at them on the street.
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@itsallover
The thing is, it shouldn't be glorified. Some quote i read: 'What a good job Caithlyn, im proud of you!'
People are happy because others undergo these kind of things. Horrible in my opinion.
'Yay lets promote gender change! What a good idea!!' (very sarcastic)
Why can't humans stay natural, and not artificially altered?
@been_waiting Sadly it's been shown that transitioning doesn't resolve the psychological issues for all of them. Basically showing that the gender id issues are more complex than simply becoming a woman/man. Not everyone finds peace, is what I'm getting at.
Obesity shouldn't be glorified because of the health problems. Transgenders are doing something that benefits their life and happiness, it's not unhealthy for them. Glorifying transgenders isn't going to turn everyone transgender, glorifying obesity will probably make many people lazier.
"The thing is"
lol that wasn't your original point, back tracking I see.
But no one is glorifying it. They're simply supporting these individuals as they struggle to be themselves in a hateful society. Supporting these people isn't going to destroy the human race, but hate and ignorance takes lives and causes misery.
@been_waiting
It is going to destroy the human race. These kind of things will get accepted and seen as normal (really sad). People will get more flexible with these kind of stuff. Once people get more flexible, they will also see other things as normal, like genetic mutation. They will really start to find almost everything normal, which is hated nowadays (like transgender). The future has a lot of new tools to give, yet to be discovered. They will think, 'its normal', because theyre flexible. Think of something, like a pill, that could make you immortal. Humanity should totally not accept that. More and more things will get accepted, and in the worst case, maybe even glorified.
"It is going to destroy the human race."
oh we are trying!
Lol! Nobody is asking others to become transgender, it's just increasing awareness that there are people out there who struggle with their gender identify. It's letting their voices be heard, as well as inspiring the people who DO have gender identity issues that they are not alone. In terms of your point of it harming the human race, it simply won't cause an epidemic of people who want to become the opposite gender to the point that we no longer want to reproduce as a species. That's just ridiculous. As for it not being normal, what even is normalcy nowadays?
@LauraMarx
Humans are doomed to wipe their own race. Look at all the war which the new technology has brought. If lots of things are getting accepted, then more and more technological things will be made, and thus humans will be closer to extinction.
Please use your mind next time, so i won't have to spend 3 minutes typing this.
@remonster not everyone finds peace, that's absolutely right. But a lot do, or they at least feel more comfortable post transition. What's the problem.
I like that u talk about humans in the third person like, neither of us are humans. You understand comrade Dipsy
We have reached a sad place when the phrase "Natural women for the win!" creates feelings of outrage. Next time some guy talks about robot wives or some other nonsense, I guess we have to accept their metal bride as a real woman as well. I can understand teaching tolerance, but that doesn't mean we have to accept them as being something they aren't.
Honestly, I don't find them gorgeous because they're putting on a load of make up and gone through a lot of surgeries. And I'd rather call them gorgeous being who they really are, being a man. I know a lot of down votes are on the way, It's just my opinion. Being transsexual is mostly a disorder I think it should be treated.
But. They aren't men. They're women!
ignore her... she's obvs an idiot
@Eiffelgirl21 Pot, kettle, black.
I agree completely with your comments!
They are men... born with male parts they had surgery to become a women... this is so wow!!! Idiotic what will man kind do next
@therealspencer They're men they went through surgeries to become a woman. That's why they're called transgenders.
haha they are so dumb.. its crazy!
An insult to women everywhere. Womanhood cannot be purchased nor fabricated with makeup and clothes. A lady is more than her underwear or the mascara she buys. It's her brain and biology that gives her the birth rite to be uniquely loving and nurturing.
But there are changes that happen early in fetal development that affect the brains of people. If these changes don't go as planned, the fetal brain is forever changed, so it literally is the brain and biology that make these situations more than black and white and make what these people are going through more than makeup and clothes. It's biologically how they are wired.
God never makes mistakes. Nuff said.
Now go to a cancer clinic and tell that to all the patients and their depressed families.
Go to Nepal and tell the starving dying earthquake victims that.
Go to Sierra Leone and tell everyone Ebola is god's plan and he never makes mistakes.
People like you are what's wrong with the world.
Yes, exactly this opinion!
A woman is only truly a woman when she is born as a woman (and stays a woman) and when she is brought up as a woman. Women think on different way than guys, so trans people are actually 'women' with a guy mind.
You're an insult to women everywhere, actually you're an insult to humanity. Have a happy life being a judgmental, bigoted fuck.
@ShaeNielson: You're full of the biogtry you spew. @MaskedSanity: You're comment is irrelevent to the discussion.
If you're gonna be a hateful individual, don't try to justify your bigotry with a god. Grow up and just admit to disliking trans people because they look weird to you.
@MakedSanity Honey, I don't use God as a cover up, I use that to explain the truth behind why transgenderisim is sinful to Yahweh. My God. I am a grown women, and it makes me sick to think that womanhood can bought and counter fitted for a price. My God loves them and I pray for them. Now... stop.. calling.. me.. NAMES!
I agree with @thegingersnap16! This is a complete insult!!! A woman is not a man's sex toy!!! This goes out to all you men out there who have no respect for women!!! Ladies, you are very special!!! Don't let those men use you. @MaskedSanity, leave @thegingersnap16 alone!!! Stop insulting her comments. All you are doing is insulting her, me, and our God and our King!!!
Transgender may be the new black but it's the old fucked-up.
While I can accept and laud the internal bravery that it takes to become practice transgenderism, we shouldn't laud it as a lifestyle. People who are transgendered are mutants, pure and simple, from a biological and evolutionary perspective. For a true transgender, the cause of the mutation may be genetic or gestational, but, nonetheless, it is a mutation. Cisgendered heterosexuality is the norm and the biological ideal for species propagation and evolution. Meanwhile, lauding transgenderism is dangerous in that weak minds of cisgendered heterosexuals may experiment and eventually end up with psychological problems. This is the nature versus nurture debate.
I didn't realize the GaGTeam was into LGBT propaganda...
"Aren't they gorgeous?" yeah that doesn't sound like a biased question at all...[sarcasm]
I have nothing against transgenders but I have something against lobbying.
A neutral way of asking the question would be "What do you think of them?"
Lmao seriously people are literally dying on the streets with no bread to eat and all americans think about is accepting this ''huuuuuuuuuuge thing'' as if it wasn't huge decades ago and getting all emotional, it's great to accept people as they are, but make a HUUUUUGE FUCKING DEAL about it? I mean come ON!
Its big deal because so many transgenders have been bullied to the point of suicide. a big deal because transgenders look to caitlyn a positive role model.
And its not just but her family as well. The they give is incredible. Not many transgenders have family that support them.
Yeah yeah yeah, many beautiful and fat people has also been bullied to the point of suicide, life is hard for everyone. Yeah good for them, but to try and make every single person on earth to see this over and over and over and over again? Majority of people don't think it's normal and will not change their minds.
You said it better than anyone.
So we should ignore a transgender persons struggles? I agree we should help people but really your statement is redundant as getting people to realize that trans people exist and that it's not some disgusting thing is not related at all to people who are homeless. Unless you're talking about trans kids who are kicked out of their homes by their parents.
It's a big deal because there's so many ignorant cunts wishing death on these people.
@Belgie: So wishing they'd get a clue is the same as wishing death on them? My, you guys are paranoid. Let me guess, you're confusing moral and civil Jewish law again, and acting like it makes no difference to modern American law and religious attitude. *yawn* I hope I don't have to have this discussion again. I'm still bored from the last 50 times I've had to explain it.
@ObscuredBeyond Well, I've seen at least 5 people in these comments who've made threats. One of which have threatened me, so that's always nice.
1 in 12 transgender people in America are murdered.
@therealspencer
LOLOLOL If you are implying that I have made a threat to you, learn how to read. I said, one day somebody will probably break your neck.. and I would stand and watch. Don't think that is a death threat. this is why 14yr olds shouldn't be on the internet.
Down is up
black is white
and something can be created from nothing...
I respect all choices n personal decisions but traps aren't cool,
if u decide to go forward with such operations then u should bear the responsibility of informing people b4 engaging in any sexual acts
AND definitely don't lead people on without their knowledge
transgender isn't about sex change, its internal. people who can't afford sex change still can consider themselves transgender., you can also get a sex change and still consider yourself your original; gender. personally i think gender is meaningless,. people are all sorts of variations of humans and sex divide doesn't clearly divide behavior. however following the logic of how you personally internal;is gender, clothing surgery make up even behavior has nothing to do with it.. its joist about how you feel.
and she insult a hero., she just got 1,00s of $ worth of cosmetic surgery like the rest of her family. they are all attention freaks.
one thing ill say--she does look better s an older woman than she looked as an older man.
I can understand those who have felt like they were born "in the wrong body" since childhood. I fully accept it and encourage them to follow their hearts.
I'm not completely sure why I don't sympathize for "Caitlyn." Bruce lived the majority of his life as a man and even went as far as to have a family. You mean to tell me that during all of that time, he was just 'pretending' to be straight, or whatever you call it...
I'm not buying it. I still see Bruce as Bruce.
Gender has nothing to do with sexual/love preferences. Remember, Bruce can still have a female gender and still like women. I don't think Bruce was pretending to be straight, if anything Bruce might have pretended to be a man. Which is different...
How can kids have those type of feelings? They dont understand such concepts at that ag3
By that reasoning all gay men who identify as male are faking it. sexuality and gender identity are diffrent and by his own admission he has always felt like a women but has always been attracted to women not men. Also my grandfather was gay and had several children with my grandmother before coming out. Fear of judgment can and does cause people to act in certain ways and hide who they truly are.
It's not really like being black. Once they've had the operation and look like the new them, they can walk the streets and nobody will know, they can have friends that don't know, they can hide it if they want to. Black people cannot hide their skin. Black people will be judged regardless, just on appearance. A trans can go for a job and nobody will know they're trans and they won't not get the job because of that, black people can't go to the interview and pretend they aren't black so they're more likely to get the job. They can't pretend they're not black so they don't get followed by security in stores or randomly stopped and searched.
Yea it's a struggle, but it's not as visible as being black so they won't have half as much judgement.
"New black" doesn't refer to race.
Yes ma'am, i read more comments after and found out *face palm* there was just too many comments to read at once so i didn't notice before. I've heard a few gay people say being gay is like being black and assumed this was the same. Lesson learned, never assume.
Some of them look disgusting. You can't stop me from feeling disgusted when I see a transgender even if you force me to call them women. These pics are by far the best looking trans I saw most real transgenders are weird looking and so fucking annoying.
You would hate someone based in how they look?
@bang678 I don't hate anyone based on anything. I find their looks unpleasant to look at. And I'm not gonna change that to make anyone feel good. I won't tell them in their face I won't like them either.
Transgender women. Not "a trans" or "a transgender."
Transgender people don't have to be good looking. They do not have to fit your perspective of "women" or "men". They don't exist to cater to you, sweetie :)
they will never force me to call them women. they are not women.
They will never be women they have a mental disorder. If they were right in their head they wouldn't be doing these things.
@therealspencer Stop being so pushy.
@Remonster how am i being pushy tho
OMG... OMG... OMG bruce is SUCH a hero!!! I'm surprised obama hasn't called him, her or whatever it is yet to give him/her/it a congressional medal of honor (forget all the real heros in our military).
Everybody bang the drums, blow the horns and scream at the top of your lungs... HOORAY! WE'RE GAY!
Hahaa lmao xD
Hahaha
Its a big deal because Caitlyn and her family stands as a positive role model for so many transgenders that have been bullied and abused for their sexuality, many to the point of suicide.
LMAO
I salute you.
bang678... did it ever occur to you that maybe trannys were delusional and mentally unstable to begin with despite their so called "gender identity crisis"? Instead of giving them psychiatric care lets reward their delusions, put them on vanity fair, give them "hero" awards and millions of fucking dollars. Scream bigot all you want... but it's the truth! Those who hate the truth call the truth HATE! www.theblaze.com/.../bruce-jenner-is-not-a-woman-he-is-a-sick-and-delusional-man
you know about 10 years ago most people had the same opinion towards homos as they did towards trannys right now (i. e. the majority did NOT approve of their lifestyles). God bless the liberal media, liberal public education and the ultra liberal hollywood for blessedly warping the impressionable masses. For those of you who had hit puberty before or during 2005... did you ever imagine a day when a delusional washed up 65 year old man would make the cover of vanity fair and receive an award for being a "hero" because he decided to mutilate his body? Is chester the child molester going to be the next media star/hero come 2020? Many of you all scoff at comparison but once you tolerate this crap it becomes the standard and brings "tolerance" to more delusions.
The true heroes are the men and woman who serve and protect our county so these 'stars' can make foolish publicity stunts like this. It's not brave because they're getting publicity and more money. Nobody is trying to shoot, bomb, maim, or torture information from these 'stars'.
Do u think (formerly known as) Bruce, is "pretending " to be transgender?
No, but would he be 'brave' enough to do it if his life was on the line?
Well stated.
@Prof_Don 1000% yes. I buy him being a crossdresser. That's cool. Not transgendered at all
Abomination i say
its disturbing to think people get so sick in the head they go against nature, mutilate their bodies and transform into something they are not
No one should be supporting this, its sick
thank you
Liberal females vs Conservative males.
@Tokana it does seem that way but its not about conservative and liberal
it has to do with right and wrong, we shouldn't be promoting or supporting wrong things
Having surgery to transform yourself to something you want is just wrong
Genetic mutations happen in all organisms.
Are u dismissing that, via mutation, the emotional and psychological makeup of a human specimen's internal identity doesn't match up with their physical anatomy?
@Eiffelgirl21 @Tokana
How is it fair for someone to live under a false gender identity that doesn't match their anatomical makeup?
@Prof_Don dude do you hear how crazy that sounds!!!
People who want to change their gender have mental illness
Internal identity is created by the mind, so it just means these people are mentally ill and have created a female identity of themselves
Yeah this is some twisted sick shit. You are what you are, and surgically and chemically altering your body for non-medical reasons is unnecessary and illogical. I love how people oppose the use of anabolic steroids, but they support this level of surgical and hormonal tampering. It's just slightly hypocritical
@Prof_Don So if you support the freedom of people to drastically alter their body chemistry to artificially turn into the opposite gender, do you support the use of hgh, anabolic steroids, or estrogen inhibitors to enhance muscle mass and athletic performance?
@RegularTK421 I have nothing against steroids at all, dude.
I don't necessarily endorse the idea of trangender-ism. My main reason on this stance, is not enforcing my morality onto others.
@Prof_Don Now, does that extend to harder drug use, such as methamphetamine or heroin? How about polygamy? I guess what I'm getting at, is when do you think it is permissible for the state or society as a whole, to restrict personal choices? What if those personal choices were destructive, and costly to taxpayers? What if they needlessly increase the demand for medical services and hormonal therapy when they don't even have a physical medical condition that warrants its use?
Regardless of whether your chopped your penis off, had boob implants etc.. you can't deny that these men carry an "XY" chromosome not an "XX" chromosome... They can't change their genetic make up. And it is very disturbing know that society s creating a standard that this is acceptable. I'm sorry but this is wrong beyond many levels.
Thank you. I could not have said it better myself.
Gender identity is separate from what genitals a person has.
i agree anon. and wowwww I cannot believe the girl... gender identity BS
As long as you deactivate testosterone early in fetal development even if you have a Y chromosome you still grow up female pretty interesting huh?
@bang678 I disagree. If you are born into this world, and if you have a penis, Your gender identity is male. If you are born into this world with a vagina, You are female. That is gender identity. Gender identity has nothing to do with the lies people tell themselves or the lies they want to live out.
You literally just wrong about what gender identity is. It's not open for interpretation. Gender identity is a matter of the mind.
@bang678 Are you kidding me? So to decide what gender you identify yourself as, All you need to do is think that you are something other than what you physically and genetically are, and poof, you are as you imagined? There is nothing to confuse about gender identity. It's either you are a male, or a female. There is no "other area" to be determined by your imagination.
@banger678 I understand where you're coming from, but gender identification is already given to us based on our genetic make up. What questionable in this matter is that a grown man in his 60's who has developed mind has decided that he is a female... don't you think that there maybe some sort of illness behind this? a lot of these transgender males are full grown adults... the fact that their denying their gender says a lot more about their mental health and emotional wellbeing.
But what is most frightening of the matter is that society is being desensitised to accept people with possible mental health issues is ok. Thats whats wrong in many levels. I cannot be a conformist to society and accept this problem. I could see the potential damage it will cause in the long run not only in the younger generation but to the generations now.
Imagine your current mind set and you're suddenly dropped into a womans body.
Mentally you are a guy, you see yourself as a guy. But you're stuck in this body that wasn't meant for you.
Thats what its like.
There are cases if children who genuinely feel like this even. Some cases to the point that the child would rather die than be stuck in the wrong body.
I'm so sick of hearing "gender identity is different than the genitals you were born with" crap. If you were born with a vagina... you are a woman. If you were born with a penis... you are a man. It's called common sense people look it up. Stop trying to find excuses.
Talking about biology... genetic mutations happen in all organisms.
Are u dismissing that, via mutation, the emotional and psychological makeup of a human specimen's internal identity doesn't match up with their physical anatomy?
How is it fair for someone to live under a false gender identity that doesn't match their anatomical makeup?
She is gorgeous, so are the other WOMEN that were shown above.
People become more open minded, even if you dont like it be respectful. It's not hard i swear.
As long as they are not harming anyone i see nothing wrong with it.. Also please.. please stop using bible verses to back up your hate towards others who chose i different path.
You just talked about being open minded but when people quote bible verses it's all of a sudden hate? Why as Christians is not okay for us to speak out against what we don't believe in? So you believe Jesus Christ is a hateful God? I don't hate bruce jenner but I do disagree with his lifestyle and I do pray that he gets delivered from his lifestyle.
You don't understand, Christianity is about LOVE
ACCEPTANCE AND FORGIVENESS. Not JUDGE SHUN & HATE. I'm speaking to those being unnecessarily rude.
Actually Christianity is just another hateful, manipulative cult.
Also, the bible isn't end all be all.