If humans evolved from apes why are there still apes around and homo erectus went instinct?

For an ape to become a man theoretically he must mutate only 1 % of DNA. At first you might not think this is very significant, remember the mutations have to be exactly the order of human person. It is estimated that for 1% difference only one million mutations are needed. How can one have a million mutations with each mutation in the direct order to make a human. Impossible !!!

Example of only 5 mutations George Simpson , an ardent evolutionist estimated to get five mutations in the exact order it would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chances.


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  • The mutations originally happened by chance, but stayed and prospered due to a survival benefit. So those 5 mutations that are very rare didn't have to be the exact 5. The process of determining which change would happened started randomly, and then stayed because of a benefit like I said. We could have evolved in some other beneficial way with the same process. The important part is the random changes that STAY are ALWAYS due to a survival advantage. We could have ended up many ways though, and you are right that the odds of us turning out the EXACT way that we have is extremely, extremely~~ unlikely. The odds of us developing in other another environmentally advantage creature from our common ape ancestor is the exactly the same percentage as the the odds of us being what we are presently (10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 according to you).

    So evolution doesn't have to follow an exact path. Evolution is randomness combined with capitalizing on the randomness. The odds of us evolving from single celled organisms billions of years ago would probably keep a super computer busy for a lifetime.

    To answer your title question, there are many species that have stayed around even though another creature evolved from them. I'll give an example. All mammals in the ocean are mostly believed to evolve from a creature similar to a wolf (I forget exactly) that was very low to the ground like an alligator. It lived near the shore mostly and went in and out of the ocean. At some point enough a change occurred to where the animal was able to completely live in the ocean. I'm not sure what exactly happened with that animal but it's possible for both species to exist because they would still be designed to have advantages in each habitat. It's technically possible for two different species to exist and compete in the exact habit like lions and hyenas but that's another topic. Both the wolf-alligator like mammal could exist along with the slightly different fully aquatic animal.

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    • I get your point on the beneficial advantage of the randomness mutation. There has been no objective evidence for another species evolving from a previous one. Not even with rapidly growing species like the fruit fly no "transitioning phase" scientist have been trying to create new species with those kind of insects and the have failed, there's no direct vertical evolution happening. Most junk DNA have been proven to be useful, most damaged DNA on an organism has a negative prognosis on that organism rather than an advantage to survive. Why would you body make an experiment on you to see if you will adapt better or kill you. The risk is too great!

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    • Np :) I find this subject interesting (much more interesting when I was like 16). I even considered becoming a geneticists back then.

      I'm not sure how useful junk dna is. I don't think the body is trying to make an experiment. I think of the mutations as errors due to a large amount of data transfer. I think of damaged dna as it being damaged during a persons lifetime which is different than a mutation happening in the sperms or eggs genes.

      Fossil records are objective. The most clear place to see evolution (new species in this case) is with bacteria or viruses, especially drug resistant pathogens. There are many new species of common flu, e coli and hiv.

      It's much easier to see animal species currently adapting than seeing a new species due to the amount of time. I think something about the amount of changes causes a species to cross a threshold at some point to another species. It's obvious to me when looking at isolated areas especially like the Galapagos

    • Australia, Indonesia and lakes. African cichlids are a great example. They evolved from a small amount of fish getting into 3 lakes from the Nile river. Those three lakes all have genetically sequenced dna that objectively tells what happened. I'm pretty sure none of the thousands of African cichlids that live in one of those 3 lakes, lives in a second lake. They are all exclusive to their close proximity lake. They are very similar fish and like I said, they can be tracked by their sequenced dna.

      www.nature.com/.../nature13726-f1.jpg

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  • we dont evolve from apes. we evolve from unknown primates very similar to apes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate

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  • We didn't evolve from apes. We shared a common ancestor. Completely different things.

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    • "We didn't evolve from apes. We shared a common ancestor. Completely different things."
      We don't share a common Ancestor with apes
      Homo Sapiens are one of the four primary species of Great Ape,
      The others, are the Gorilla, Chimpanzee, and the Bonobo

    • @Waffles731 "Humans did not evolve from apes, gorillas or chimps. We are all modern species that have followed different evolutionary paths, though humans share a common ancestor with some primates, such as the African ape."

      Source: m.livescience.com/...ates-evolved-into-humans.html

    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae
      The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnᵻdiː/), also known as great apes[note 1] or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes seven extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean and Sumatran orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, the human.[1]
      Well, these things are not mutually exclusive though

  • Probably because the apes that evolved evolved into us so we are Homo Erectus.

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  • We did not evolve from apes

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  • First of all, we didn't evolve from apes. I don't know how many million more times people are gonna ask this question. So let me be clear: we DID NOT evolve from apes. We evolved from a common ancestor of apes and humans. That's a big difference.
    Secondly, you don't understand evolution. Evolution is not teleological; that means it is neither pre-determined nor does it aim to achieve a certain goal. When you assume that these archaic ancestors necessarily had to evolve into humans, you make the fallacy to believe that it was already clear from the beginning where the journey would go. This is not the case. Evolution doesn't have a consciousness. Evolution didn't think "okay, let's make humans". We simply HAPPENED to turn out the way we turned out. The way we are now is just one out of millions or billions other possibilities. The way we look now seems self-understanding to us nowadays but it's not. If we had evolved to have pointy ears, we would find pointy ears completely normal. If we had evolved to still have hair all over our bodies, we would find that normal too. And finally, had we not evolved into such intelligent beings, we would simply not ask ourselves these questions.

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    • Your argument doesn't allocate for mutation and if you say it so random then we wouldn't have taxonomy as we have today you would find elephants flying then.

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    • Wings are not a general advantage in survival. Let's take humans as an easy example. What would be our advantage of having wings? There is none. Sure, it might be cool to be able to fly but that's not something evolution cares about. Likewise, elephants don't need wings at the moment. There's absolutely no environmental pressure for them to have wings and there wouldn't be any significant advantage in them having wings.

      Mutations can be helpful for evolution because sometimes they speed up the process a bit but such changes as wings can also come about without mutations. Take chicken. Now, for chicken, the process has actually gone in the opposite direction, away from flying. A normal chicken can keep itself up for a few seconds but that's it. If however, there was suddenly a big environmental pressure on chicken to fly and if there was a clear advantage to flying (say, they couldn't eat worms anymore for some reason and had to settle with bugs), chicken wings would slowly

    • develop in a way that they would be more useable again (larger wing-span, maybe more feathers, maybe a different structure of the tissue and bones etc.). The way this works is that chicken would begin to seek mates to reproduce with whose wings go in that direction. Keep in mind, this is a very slow process. But eventually, the small-winged chicken genes would die out while the chicken with large, useable wings would prevail and keep reproducing.

      What I meant by fluke is that it's a coincidence we look the way we do. Partially, because evolution doesn't take place in a vacuum. Evolution works with natural selection and natural selection is often based on outside factors. To use an easy example: there must have been some environmental pressure for early humans to travel out of Africa. Maybe the food became scarce, maybe climate changed drastically. But it's a coincidence these things happened and only because of that do some humans now have white skin.

  • Humans did not evolve from apes.

    Apes and humans both evolved from a common ancestor.

    That common ancestor no longer exists.

    Some of the species that evolved from that common ancestor no longer exist either.

    Extinctions happen.

    That they happen has no bearing on the validity of the theory of evolution.

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  • Humanoids of various species, and apes evolved independently from common ape-like ancestors.

    You are also woefully ignorant of math. Suppose you are in Saint Louis and you drive for 2,000 miles, sometimes straight, sometimes turning. After 2,000 miles, you find yourself near Cincinnati. Of all of the many millions of possible paths you could have taken, you are near Cincinnati, and ponder the very low probability of that occurring.

    Your logical error is that you ignore that you will end up somewhere and do not know of what the other possibilities were from that starting point. The probability of ending up in any particular place is small, but the probability of ending up in someplace is 100%. Being human is just someplace in evolution. Some other set of DNA mutations ended up as tulips.

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  • Homo erectus couldn't get it up.

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  • The premise of your question is incorrect making the entire question invalid. Humans did not evolve from apes we are apes. Homosapians are classified under the Great Apes. We share a common ancestor with chimpanzees which lived roughly 6 million years ago ( correct me if I'm wrong.)

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  • We didn't just evolve from Apes, we are Apes who evolved from an earlier species of ape.
    Now, You may think that Evolution and God are incompatible, but thats not true.
    God has infinite power therefore he could create humans anyway he wanted even through evolution.
    By denying that Evolution is a possibility you are essentially committing blasphemy, You are saying that god's power was too limited.
    The Catholic Church has never been anti-evolution as well

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  • 'Homo erectus'. ... 'HOMO erectus' ... 'Homo ERECTUS' ...
    I wonder what that means..

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  • Same reason why Republicans are still around. YEAH, I SAID IT.
    ... I don't get it._.

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  • i dunno but people call me homo erectus

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  • Well we sure did not appear in thin air by some homicidal god.

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  • There is no such evolution thing

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  • Everyone here got it terribly wrong - this is, of course, what really happened

    www.e-forwards.com/.../...lution_23cf71_468635.png

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  • Sorry mate, you got this one wrong. We're just in the same evolutionary tree. We were never actually chimpanzees or gorillas or any other currently existing primate.

    As for how it happens statistically? Every beneficial mutation sticks around. Betting that we would end up just like we did would have been a fool's gambit, but we were going to end up somehow. Maybe we'd have had opposable little fingers instead of thumbs. Who knows.

    Try calculating the odds that you would exist and they should literally make your head collapse. Yet here you are, against all odds. The epitome of evolution. The grand result of an endless struggle to survive and grow better. Now proudly wanking off at pornhub. Or wherever you go.

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