Why are women such hypocrites?

[Anonymous]

Women want to be treated equally to men in almost everything like jobs, politics and several other things. But still, women always want men to make the first move for dating, don't like to see men cry (although they have the right to cry a river), expect their husbands to 'take care' of them etc. Not all women are like this, but most of them are. The thing is, why do women go around demanding gender equality, even when they actually want only 'selective' equality? In fact, 'selective equality' is actually an oxymoron. Doesn't this attitude of women make them hypocrites of the highest order?

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To cut a long story short, women only want equality when it benefits them. If that equality is likley to benefit men instead, then they oppose it.

[Anonymous]

It saddens me as well.

I really think women are stronger than they act sometimes, so it embarrasses me when some play the victim of... whatever.

I'm not a feminist, but I'm not really completely old-fashioned either. I'm somewhere in the middle.

All of my relationships happened because I made the first moves (all the moves in some cases). I don't mind initiating, on a gender level. I get shy sometimes and all that, but it never occurs to me to think he should approach me because he's the man. If I want him, I can tell him too, I don't have to wait.

I've never personally seen or experienced real gender discrimination in my life.

I've never personally seen or experienced real sexual harassment in my life.

The only time I've ever encountered anyone being even remotely sexist, either way, is on the Internet.

So the women saying misogyny is everywhere, I'm not sure where they live, haha! But I don't face it or see it in my own personal life.

I do think people should embrace their given strengths, and sometimes a man is better for something than I am, and sometimes I may be better at something than a man. I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that. I don't think that should extend to a difference in rights though, and from what I see and experience personally, women aren't being shafted.

I feel that marriage and child laws actually favor women, often giving men the shaft - I think this is unfair.

I get frustrated when women say they want equality while asking for special treatment. It makes no sense to me, haha!

Yes, some women are hypocrites.

Yes, some men are hypocrites.

We have a lot to learn, truthfully :-)

[ThenThereWas1]

I see this everywhere and it really bothers me. Even amongst women I've known personally. I think a lot of women expect this special treatment when it comes to dating because that is what they are TAUGHT to expect--from a very young age too. I mean even when you're a little kid watching movies all you see are these princes sweeping girls off their feet. I often find myself angry at women who think this way, it is because of people like them that everyone thinks that feminists are man-haters who expect special treatment. But man-haters who expect special treatment aren't feminists, they're man-haters who expect special treatment! I wish people understood this. It is hard for me to remember that their entitlement isn't entirely their fault, it is largely the fault of society. Instead of being angry about their entitlement, try feelings more sorry for their ignorance and that they were brainwashed. I know it is hard, but it helps a bit.

[Asker]

This is a really sensible answer, more so because its coming from a girl. Kudos to you, and I hope more women starting thinking in the same way you do!

[martyfellow]

Yes, I totally agree. Also, about the surprise!

[Anonymous]

why are men such hypocrites? why do men expect their girl to look like a goddess super model at all times while he's the most average looking guy on earth? why do guys handle rejection with the maturity of a child being denied a toy? why do guys think that just because he approaches a girl than she should automatically interested in him? why do guys act like a complete a**hole to a girl after she rejects him? why do guys never consider that maybe the girl that rejected him is just really not interested and doesn't want a relationship? why is it that if a woman has standards she is automatically a "bitch" with a "sense of entitlement"?

[Asker]

Hmmmm...just try asking a guy out and get rejected, then I'm sure you'll behave much worse than men. Of course, women will never understand because they don't ask men out.

[Opinion Owner]

i actually have asked a lot of men out believe it or not. if I like a guy then ill ask him out, if he says yes that's great but if he says no then I'll get over it because I'm not one to dwell on things.

im not stupid like a lot of guys because I know that just because I ask someone out they don't HAVE to say yes, its their choice. a lot of guys have a sense of entitlement and they believe they should be able to have any woman they want & that's not the case.

[Asker]

Good thing you aren't like the other women. If you read my question completely, I specifically mentioned that all women are not like that.

[martyfellow]

Yes, there's no doubt it's that way. Most women hustle and play things both ways. They're the 'poor weak womean' when they want out of a tough spot, and the hardline feminist if they can use that to get what they want by jumping in line in front of a man...

I'm surprised this still bothers you'; for most guys, it's become second nature, and we don't even give it a moment's thought.

We long ago quit paying attention to anything calling itself 'feminist".

[CasaNorba]

they are the weakest sex after all...

think about it. only the weak ones have the needs to be hypocrites. if you are strong there is no reason for you to hide behind anything do to the fact that you have nothing to lose but since women know they are weak in a lot of ways in society they need to be hypocrites in order to get society's approval cause if they give out their true identities they won't last that long at the top

[ladsin]

nobody wants to be equal everyone wants to be "powerful" it just so happens that in todays society women have more power than men. People still believe a woman no matter what if you don't believe me have a girl friend of urs accuse you of rape and see what happens...

[udolipixie]

False people do not still believe a gal no matter what happens studies show that juries generally think a female rape victim is lying.

As well as jurors appear more likely to judge and/or doubt the behavior of the accuser than that of the defendant (Olsen-Fulero & Fulero, 1997) and often even hold her responsible for being raped ( link )

Different country sources as this is international

[udolipixie]

Many cases do not go to try due to fear of juror bias link

[ladsin]

"To my considerable chagrin, we found that at least 60 percent of all the rape allegations were false." --Dr. Charles P. McDowell, Supervisory Special Agent, U.S. Air Force, Office of Special Investigations.

your facts are misguided or outdated

[udolipixie]

Your 'facts 'are misguided, outdated, and have already discredited multiple times by other professionals.

The study in the link use questionable methodology such as using personal opinion of which rape was real and false allegation. That means they didn't use credible or factual evidence but personally decided which rape allegations are false.

[udolipixie]

The base of measurement to deciding if it's false or true is personal opinion not proof, facts, or evidence and the methodology is to seek recantation before looking at the evidence.

How many allegations people think is false or how many gals people got to recant after using intimidation tactics before even looking at evidence of the investigation is not factual credible or convincing proof that a large percentage of rape allegations are false.

[ladsin]

right but if they deem them to be rape theyre obviously rape, but if somebody says there not theyre automatically wrong interesting

[ladsin]

"In the past, the jury was instructed that rape allegations were easy to make but difficult for the defendant to disprove. Today, this instruction is no longer given--instead, juries are informed that medical evidence is not necessary to prove rape, and no witness is necessary, other than the alleged victim." you're right there is evidence, that no one can escape... meaning its falsche

[udolipixie]

It's not interesting. It's logical deeming it to be rape based on the evidence is 'right' deeming it to not be rape based on opinion and not even looking at evidence is 'wrong'.

It's highly flawed and skewed to deem it false using personal opinion of the victim after excluding how many they got to recant after using intimidation and coercion tactics before even looking at the evidence of the investigation.

[udolipixie]

Are you aware the past instruction that is no longer being given is talking about Rape Shield Laws? Meaning accusers are no longer legally allowed to be brushed off with well she's had sex with 5 other guys so it's not real rape or her dress be taken into account.

It's not to lessen the evidence it's to lessen victim-blaming and shaming mindsets like she was asking to be raped.

[udolipixie]

So it seems your only evidence is a 1985 study of 556 rape allegations where the base of measurement to deciding if it's false or true is personal opinion not proof, facts, or evidence and the methodology is to seek recantation before looking at the evidence.

It wasn't at all peliculiar to you that the original investigation was: 220 true, 80 false, 256 inconclusive meaning 9% are false close to the FBI's 8%. While McDowell's is 60%?

[udolipixie]

Yet McDowell claimed 60% (334) are false as he reviewed the inconclusive cases and if three reviewers (none of whom were criminal investigators) think she's lying he decided it's a false allegation.

No peculiarity at all to you that to get McDowell's 60% means every inconclusive case except two was thought to be a lie as 254 + 80 = 334? o.O

[ladsin]

well damn someobodys on the rag but now that I have a chance to respond I will, I'm a misyoginist just because I think that women accuse men of rape when its not true? false misogyny= hatred of women, no where in this post have I stated a hatred of women... US department of justice findings link

but I'm sure there's something there you disagree with so I'll add another "Of these, 45 were ultimately classified by the police as "false." Also based on police recor

[ladsin]

rds, Kanin determined that 50 percent of the rapes reported at two major universities were "false."

couldnt add the whole document so if you feel like looking it up, Kanin, Eugene J., "False Rape Allegations", Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 23, No. 1, Feb 1994, p. 81.

[udolipixie]

The US department of justice findings is not about how many rape allegations were false but how many guys were wrongly imprisoned for cases before the 1960s due to no DNA technology. Just because the wrong guy served time doesn't mean the allegation was false..o.O

Kanin is another personal opinion piece. Do you have any research that is actually research using credible or factual evidence to deem an allegation false instead of personal opinion?

[udolipixie]

It's quite telling that Kanin got 50% ala his own reviewing yet in that same period when the Portland, Oregon police department examined the 431 complaints of completed or attempted sexual assault in 1990 1.6% were determined to be false and the Sex Crimes Division of the San Diego Police Department routinely evaluated the rate of false reports over several years and found them to be around 4%.

[udolipixie]

More telling is that Kanin has kept secret what police force he was studying meaning no other researcher has ever had the chance to verify Kanin’s findings and claims.

So yeah a study of porting the claims of a single police force in a small, unidentified city, without those claims having been checked or verified in any way whatsoever is not credible factual evidence.

[udolipixie]

The source for the other studies the Oregon and San Diego police department:Hecht-Schafran, L. (1993). Writing and reading about rape: A primer. St. John’s Law Review, 66, 979-1045.

[ladsin]

ugh this is extremely boring, your second link is a blog... but sure lets go with it, yeah funny what you'll plead to when the prosecutor is throwing the book at you proscutors will often stack the deck so to speak charging alleged criminals of crimes that they couldn't really take to trial just to make it seem like theyd be going to jail for a long time, then the defendant pleas guilty to a lesser charge (im a criminal justice major and several professors who have doctorates have said this) next

[udolipixie]

So you didn't find it peculiar at all that KaninL

- was using his personal opinion egh really he just simply reiterates the opinions of the police officers who concluded that the cases in question were false allegations

- kept secret what police force and city he was studying meaning no one else can verify his claims

Did you read the part where he admitted fault in his methodology and cautioned against the generalizability of his findings?

[ladsin]

second is also an article by a female with no link to the study so I can't say... those are the only two links you have provided... but even then look at the legislation almost anything can be construed as rape today. I have to have classes 2-3 times a semester about rape and the teacher always says the same thing if she has as little as one drink (wine glass whatever) she can accuse you of rape or sexual assault. because she can say she was not able to give complete consent, they throw out mens

[ladsin]

rea in these cases. damn this is annoying you can keep talking if you wish, this is boring obviously your right I'm wrong

[udolipixie]

Egh more likely it's extremely boring as I pointed out the lack of credibility and facts your sources bring except the US department of justice which is about exoneration not how many allegations were falsely.

I don't think you read the article or went to the study as it clearly shows they weren't alleged criminals as they had evidence and the defendant admitted their guilt but the character of the accuser was not jury likeable (she was 'slutty', 'provocative', etc).

[udolipixie]

Yeah obviously I'm right you're wrong as credible factual statistics show most reported rapes are not false.

Amusing how when called on how heavily discredited by professionals your studies are and faulty in methodology. It becomes anything can be construed as rape when there is a clear legal definition.

My two links both summarizing the study's results one even interviewing the researcher are more credible than your outdated misguided studies using personal opinion not evidence.

Laters.

[ladsin]

mhm as in she probably gave consent but then recanted it later... what proof is there of? intercourse? well sh*t that's crazy she couldn't have agreed to sex and then taken it back? and if you say there was bruises or somthing then perhaps, but even then some people enjoy exfixiation (spell check) and no this is a boring subject I just looked up a few things online. which is why I said this was boring and I quit

[udolipixie]

Uh no she didn't give her consent then recanted later.

He did this while she was unconscious and unable to consent and he admitted that he did not get her consent and was guilty. They pleaded since she was a provocative slut and they were in a relationship so she had being provocative (asking for it), being a slut (devalued by society), and being in a relationship (can't be raped by a bf). () = juror bias mindsets.

Again likely it's boring as I showed how your claims are not credible.

Laters

[toulouse]

id what you're talking about. none of that has anything to do with me. my sister. my cousins. my mom my female friends. you must have a prejudiced view. maybe you should stop getting dating advice from cosmo.

[Asker]

Yeah right, if you actually read my question completely, I have mentioned that 'not all women are like this'. So if my statements don't appear to you and your family/relatives, its well and good. I respect and admire you (and also your family and friends).

[Asker]

*my statements don't apply to you

[toulouse]

you said most. I don't see any evidence of this. most women are single and work.

[Asker]

You're considering only that aspect. Also consider the thing about asking out and crying. By the way, you say most women are single and work? Highly unlikely, because there are hardly any single women in this world, whereas there are LOADS of single men. I fail to understand the reason for this, because the world's male and female population are almost equal.

[TedStar]

They can demand whatever they want doesn't mean they will get it. I'll just move on to the next one who is more realistic and less hypocritical

[Asker]

Yeah right!

[rbeezy]

I try to be humble in the way I treat other people and in the decisions I make. I do have days when I am not at my best but I strive to be a good person. I don't compare my accomplishments to men or women. Nor do I aspect a man to take care of me.

[Asker]

Nice going!

[Anonymous]

Oh, stop being a baby!

You know as well as I do that women are women and men are men, equality in the workplace DOES NOT equal equality in the bedroom.(Which you are ULTIMATELY trying to go.)

So, what, you want her to pick up the check or hold doors for you? Would you like her to penetrate you with her penis as well?

Seriously, you are right, they want selective equality.

[Asker]

I'm not being a baby, you're just being a prick. I only mentioned things like asking out, crying etc. No, I don't really WANT her to do the stuff you said, because that would mean men and women EXCHANGING their roles. That's not what I meant at all. I'm referring to equality, and not a complete exchange of roles.

[AzzaBlue]

Nah, he is worse than a prick. He is a simp that desperately craves female validation to justify his pathetic existence.

[Anonymous]

Just don't bother with girls like that. I don't date feminists (a.k.a. female whiners).

[Asker]

Hehe! 'female whiners' sounds like an apt phrase for such women!

[ThenThereWas1]

The women the question asker described are NOT feminists. They give actual feminists a bad rep.

[Anonymous]

People are hypocrites in general.

[martyfellow]

The usual insight from the anonymous.

[Opinion Owner]

Well its true. Both genders are hypocrites about something.

[Pseudofailure]

No.

[Anonymous]

Not all women are like that

[Opinion Owner]

Quit following my answers marty, you look dumb as hell and it shows you don't leave your mom's basement

[Anonymous]

That's women for you