"Why So Many Men Are Walking Sausages" (I'll give you a hint: it's Patriarchy, the societal misogyny of our culture)

[MelioraValidus]

I wrote this last September and posted it to a social media website...but I realized that this post of mine works well as a mytake, so tada.

"Why are so many men in our culture walking sausages who only care about sex? Why do women constantly get close only to have their hearts broken time after time because the guys were only pretending to care about them? Why do we accept this as a "normal" thing in our society? I'm going to tell you all today why these things happen, and it has to do with a little thing called Patriarchy.

When it comes to men, there is no greater threat to their emotional development than the term "be a man". For it implies that you are weak if you are a woman, it implies that you need to be manly and do manly things, that being like a woman is wrong. It creates this idea that you must stay away from "girl things" like having feelings and getting attached to things, showing love toward people, and truly just being friends with the opposite sex. Conversely, it says that you've got to be "manly" and want lots of sex, not have any emotion other than lust or anger, and always be the one with the "pants" on/the control. This is created from a hatred of women, misogyny. Because the entire bases of the idea stems from the concept that you have to be like a man because it's not okay to be like a woman, that being a woman is a horrible and wrong thing that you should never want to be. If that's not clear hatred to woman I don't know what is, for what other reason do you justify separating yourself from women so much?

The "be a man" idea, a result of Patriarchy, is one of the most prominent examples of why men become walking sausages who care nothing for women and step on their hearts all the time. Misogyny is not born, it's made, and society is responsible for it.

Conversely, while society tells men they should not develop feelings and should only want sex, it tells women that it's okay to have feelings and emotions. Because of this, women end up actually being in tune with their emotions, as *everyone* should be, and thus they constantly look for love....and end up getting their hearts stomped on by the men that our society creates. Our society tells men not to have feelings, including feelings for women, and that they should have as much sex as possible, so when a woman wants to have feelings for someone inside of a loving relationship, these men are taught by society to not care about them and to use them for sex, to do and say whatever it takes to get into the woman's pants because it's the "manly" thing to do, that if they develop any feelings for the woman at all they are now "acting like a woman" and somehow that's treated as a bad thing.

Why do we accept this kind of behavior in our society? Because our society spits it out so much that we consider it normal. So many think that men and women are just "like that" and that they are not made that way by their despicable environment. This thinking needs to change if we *ever* want to change this world, otherwise the world will just keep going on like this and things will never change. We need to start teaching boys that it's okay to be like girls, and we need to start teaching girls that it's okay to be like boys. If we do not get rid of the misogynistic model, the children of the future are only ever going to suffer more. The men will continue to bottle their emotions up inside with no one they're allowed to turn to, and the women will continue to have their hearts stomped on and broken. If we truly want a better future, we must work to change the present. For if we do nothing, nothing is what we will continue to get."-Me

[Anonymous]

A rebuttal:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rlvMAS_20K4

"Male identity almost always revolves around doing, rather than being. Most of that doing has always revolved around being of use in a uniquely male context. Most of men’s usefulness through history has derived from learning 'male' skills and performing them well, embodying a male role in the service of women or society. In the more turbulent past, those roles needed to perform a valuable service to women or the community that women could not–or should not be expected to–perform for themselves.

The myth among feminists that men will insult each other for displaying feminine traits because they see women as inferior is just that–a myth. Men do this because women have a trump card that bestows intrinsic value on them–their uteruses–and they retain that value even when they gender-bend a little. A woman who acts like a woman is not seen as inferior. A man who acts like a woman has always been seen not as a woman, but as a 'woman without a womb.' He has no female value, and he has no male value. Therefore, he has NO value at all. And unlike women, men who were not 'useful' did–and still do–get thrown on the trash heap of society."

[MargaritaPeach]

Interesting take. I think both men and women should be taught early how to effectively manage their emotions. Far too many rash decisions are made based on how people feel at an particular moment. Do you control your emotions, or do they control you? Drawing a line between feelings/emotion and rational thought so one can step back, evaluate a situation, and making a sound decision is way underrated. Say it with me, people: think before you feel.

[Jaydog666]

Dude calm your tits and grow a pair! Being a man generally means being strong for yourself, for your kids, family and friends. For the record although we now have equal rights men and women excell at different things. Women want testosterone redblooded men not some emasculated weasel who calls himself a "feminist"and is happy to be there friend in the hopes she will eventually see what a great guy he is. a lot of problems some women have is that they always go for the wrong guys (especially young women) and thats their choice as much as it is for men (generally young) to chase ass. So tired of this bullshit such as women generally aren't paid as much men. The reason for that is because if a man wasn't getting paid the right money he walk straight into his boss's office demanding a raise and if he didn't get it he'd find another job. Thats what women want in man a go getter, a hunter, a gather, a fighter who gets it done. Basically she wants a man with caveman instincts who can think on his feet. As for the women who get their poor hearts broke again and again fuckem. Plenty of great guys out there but there not good enough because their not 6ft or have a fancy car or lots of money etc. Put down the Jane Austen novel and start walking like a man. Nothing wrong with being a man.

[PT1911]

OH MY LORD

This is so skewed and messed up.

Being a man means providing, protecting, and caring for your women. That's "patriarchy". That's what it means to be a man. She is yours, and you are hers. Shame to anyone that breaks that bond and commitment. Instead of blaming the "patriarchy" which in its fullest sense is eliminated due to feminism (speaking in A western world sense) blame a "me me me me me" instant gratification mentality brought onto us by the damn hippies. That it is ok to pursue sex with strangers instead of having it be the fruition of love and bringing in new life that it was meant to be. That's the problem. Teach boys how to be men early on, teach girls how to be women early on. At the same time, teach men that when they find the right woman, they can open up to her and realize that she will accept him for his strengths and flaws

I'm going to embrace my manhood to my fullest capability, as a protector and provider, giving me skills to provide for the future family I desire. Thinking logically and rationally. There is a difference between talking to your girlfriend/wife about what's bothering you versus sounding like a whiny submissive punk who constantly complains about who hurt their feelings or who said some hurtful words.

You in the meantime keep being a keyboard warrior bashing your own gender. You're what's wrong with this generation's males: all complaining, no action

[RationalLioness]

pa·tri·arch·y
ˈpātrēˌärkē/Submit
noun
a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line.
a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.
a society or community organized on patriarchal lines.
plural noun: patriarchies

Thank God it is mostly eliminated in the West. Men shouldn't have power over women and vice versa. If other societies function well with it, that's good for them. Our society doesn't any longer.

[PT1911]

>mostly eliminated

It is eliminated @RationalLioness. There are females in almost nearly area of work usually dominated by men. Women have entered government and politics, holding very high positions of power, just short of President of the United States. It's only a matter of time that the United States will have its first female president, Just as with "racism" it's a bunch of people who have nothing else better to do with their time or life making a big deal out of something that has already been fixed. Look at all of those riots. How many are actually rioting because their pissed? Answer: none. They;'re trying to find an excuse to do whatever the fuck they want with no consequences what soever

That being said, I'm not going to change my principles or morals of being a provider and protector all because the take owner thinks that a few douchbags sleeping around and treating women like shit represent the entire male population

[Noxifer626]

Yup, I just threw your comment in the "Too stupid how to answer".
Educate yourself a bit about feminism (and it's terminology and then we can talk).

[PT1911]

@Noxifer626 if you come to my opinion which I didn't invite you to do you'd better fucking contribute with an actual viewpoint/ opinion

THEN we can talk you little shit

[Noxifer626]

I can't contribute because you wouldn't understand anything of what I said if you don't grasp basic concepts of feminism like "patriarchy", "pirivilege" or "sexism".

[PT1911]

@Noxifere626

That's it, blocked, you've had your chance

[skykidx1]

I disagree. man are. not all. ways the one doing the heart broken girls. do the same thing as will. yes some. man are dogs but not all, YES girls get. chest on why because most. girls. never. girls never give. themself. time. too. health. after a. broken. up. if 1 guy just 1 says one. think your cute boom rebound guy right. away that's why so many. girls get. heart. because some. don't. think. with there. brains. I had a friend. just. got. drop by 1 guy 2 months later. with a new guy for 4 months saying she's love. him n wants him. to. give her a promise. ring comes. too find out he was cheating. on. her. here's what I think. is the main reasons. got. never put there all. into women. simple. most. women can't be trusted. into. days world when shit. gets. hard. they bail and. find. the next best. thing. don't. even. try. making. it work I had 1 guy friend truest who girl every time. they. had a fight. know what she did? Won't. out party made out with guys even. sometimes. had sex so. sorry. girls if. you meet a. guy that's cold it's. most. likely. because. he gave his all. once. too a. girl and. she cheated or. broken. his heart. tbh. I belive. man. care. more then. girls. do we. just. can't. show it are. we are. told. too. man. up

[Amplify]

The periods... they're everywhere... they're crawling all over me... the horror...

[skykidx1]

Lol yea my phone. does that sometimes I need too keep it update but I all was remove my update for space for video games but still. I'm right I have a HTC not a bad phone for 70$

[Unit1]

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This is a society based issue as I understood. If society keeps judging us for being different then we are "supposed to be", then the society is just a blind traditional following bunch. I'm not exactly been there but I have experienced kinda similar things on what boys and girls should do and not. Pretty pressuring and damaging if you ask me.

[thatkaruguy]

i didn't read all that bunk simply because its only half true at best. many women get hurt because they go pick the wrong guy and are incapable of being with a good guy because they feel the guy is too good for them sounds weird? well it is and its true many women have terrible self value stemming from their insecurities, looks, exes whatever. also women aren't the only ones allowed to break up. what if the guy decides he doesn't like the girl anymore because x? also a lot of chicks these days aren't even worth dating the relationship is about THEM and not US and they bring nothing to the table but sex and companionship other than that they are unpleasant to be around so why not pump and dump unless she actually can prove she's worth her salt.

[Noxifer626]

If you didn't read it fully, why are you talking of it like you knew it well?

[thatkaruguy]

because its the same shit. feminists are incapable of thinking for themselves and only operate in group think. its like ants or bees that are being controlled without being non the wiser.

[ThisDudeHere]

This is so skewed. I'm only going to be referring to the West here, for simplicity's sake.
Politically we have a democracy that has patriarchal tendencies - not because women are excluded on purpose but because men sign up in bigger numbers and with greater haste.
Socially we have equality that has matriarchal tendencies - not because women are generally sexist against men but because men themselves put women on pedestals and make life somewhat easier to them.

If women want more females in politics then they should encourage women to pursue politics, not to introduce quotas like they do in Sweden. And if men want a society where women will not be almost 100% guaranteed to win against them in the courts or get excused doing something hard leaving it for the men, then men should treat women like they tried men - by expecting the same responsibilities from them.

[Noxifer626]

It's not that women disencourage other women from politics. Society constantly gives messages to girls of "Being smart won't get you a man, and fulfilling a man's wishes is the most important thing you'll ever achieve". The reason men sign in more is not that women have no interest, but rather than they are constantly told to hold their own wishes back. An ambitious man is assertive and a visionary. An ambitious woman is a bossy bitch.

[ThisDudeHere]

This smells so much of feminist propaganda I can't even. Dude none of that is true. Society as of late is encouraging women to pursue their dream careers, maybe in politics or maybe in STEM and they themselves still don't. Instead they choose gender studies or something of the like.

[Kevdaman]

Women don't get their heart broken because men only care about sex, women get their heart broken because they throw themselves at a guy and get upset when he doesn't want a relationship so essentially its her fault if she gets used. Men don't pretend to care once again a woman makes a poor decision in her choice of partner and she gets upset because she doesn't get what she wants.

[therussianconcussion]

fuck feminists. this is why men from 20-35 and above are avoiding marriage like a plague.
were either walking atms or walking sausages to you.
you women believe that sex is all we care about?
and that stupid, retarded "patriarchy" bullshit like there is some establishment holding down women because thats what they have time for.
again fuck feminists. you guys have ruined it for other women too by the way.
i do not know a man who is exited about getting married, then (maybe) get cheated on and losing his income to a female who divorced him with no reason.

[checkyesjulietx]

how's that chip on your shoulder doing?

[therussianconcussion]

just fine. hows the man hating going?

[AdoringFan]

I've heard this so much "men should not show their emotions because patriarchy dictates that they should not be like women". And I agree that in our world we have certain standards we measure everyone against. But, I do not think however, that this is caused by hatred for women.
It is more likely caused by the way our more animalistic brains work. Evolutionarily, men would benefit from having intercourse with a high amount of women, to ensure a large spread of genetic material. So for them, getting attached to a woman is not as useful. Women however, do not benefit from this, since their childmaking involves pregnancy, breastfeeding etc. So they would be benefited by having a man attached to her.
I read such an amazing article a while back about the creation of gender rolls based on population growth etc. If i can find it I will post it.

[9mfeo]

I didn't know bread could be gendered. Gender ROLES my dear.

[AdoringFan]

Gendered bread? What the fuck are you talking about?

[Minxxie]

Patriarchy be like: "How DARE you have normal human emotions!! You have to be emotionally stunted and as internally confused and miserable as possible because you are a man. Then lash out violently once you've bottled it up too much! lol!"

[Amplify]

Who says they are normal? I'm sorry but I'm addicted to arguing.

[Minxxie]

LOL seems most people on this site are too! Based on how humans would naturally react to things emotionally if they were not conditioned by society to be a certain way, it's going against nature to bottle up tears like men are forced to. A man who grew up in a tribal setting won't exhibit the same "manly restraint" that is taught to boys in the rest of the world, they just cry over shit let it out and move on.

[Amplify]

If anything, ancient tribes are worse when it comes to that. I went to a Native American reservation for Boy Scouts and the men seemed emotionless. Even the way they spoke hid their current state. They could of just been actors though. Wouldn't be the first time.

[Minxxie]

Yeah probably actors or emotionless because their village was being treated like a tourist attraction, or some cheap spectacle and they felt disrespected and just shut down. I watched this documentary where the hunters were expected to cry and pray for each animal as they killed it, or they would offend the gods and disrespect the animal. This was an African tribe, though I have heard of the same practice in North American tribes as well. I went to a powwow once of a local native community and they danced and cried and we all had to hold hands and that's just how they've always done it. They throw their heads back and wail to release any trapped sadness or loneliness because they believe it will poison your body and spirit if you keep it bottled up. It was sort of like howling but some of them cried too it was interesting to watch, they consider it cleansing.

[Amplify]

Wait, what makes your native community any less real then mine? They could be acting too. And I must say I've never heard of wailing to release loneliness. But unless they knew what it meant, it would seem counterproductive.

[Minxxie]

Mine wasn't a field trip! haha they are involved with my community too and it was an open invitation to come and celebrate with them and they were very welcoming and happy to have us and teach us about their traditions. It wasn't a one time encounter we live very close to the reserve and come in contact with them often, my suburban community and their end up mixing in community events a lot there will be a lot of aboriginal culture represented. These were people many of whom I knew personally.

[Amplify]

We didn't just invade their reservation, we were invited too. And they have a powwow every year, and we are invited every year. They teach us things about their history and culture (although I didn't pay very much attention to that XD). My mother's boss is married to a native American and I have seen a lot of the kids there in my school. I didn't know them personally, but I'm kinda shy.

[Amplify]

... Did I win?

[Minxxie]

we kind of veered off topic so it was a draw

[Octavion]

I can't relate because I have the philosophy of just living my life how I want to live it as long as I don't encroach upon someone elses life I don't care what the standards are because I've learned that we live in a really fickle society that changes it's views every decade or so so there is no point in trying to appease such people. And if someone elses life encroaches upon mine or someone comes and tries to change me I make them vanish...

[RationalLioness]

I personally don't think patriarchy is bad persay UNLESS if the man does not want to be in that role and feels compelled to fulfill I. I think it depends on household to household. Thank God that American society is moving away from such strict roles and letting people choose what they want to be. I know of a male house husband. :)

[cipher42]

That's not really why patriarchy means in this context though. Generally, when patriarchy is talked about, it's in reference to a patriarchal society, not the power structures of individual households. And an entire society structured around the idea that masculinity is good and femininity bad is pretty obviously not a good thing.

[RationalLioness]

Obviously. America was once such a society, but it has moved to be a place where people choose to abide by those rules if they wish to within their household, not completely dominated by society.

There are some patriarchal/matriarchal societies that work well... for THEM. So I don't think anyone should judge if those people like how it is run.

[cipher42]

The issue is that America still certainly has patriarchal elements. Women still face discrimination, and masculinity is still overvalued, and gender roles still exist. Less so here than perhaps in certain other countries, but it certainly still exists.

[9mfeo]

It's very sad to see how many dudes have internalized the systemic misogyny and toxic masculinity our society spits out. I enjoyed your take, though I found it a little simple and reliant on stereotypes.

[anon4122]

So, miss feminist explain me this. Feminists whine about only wanting sex but I have so far in my 19 years of living met two females who do not see men complaining as being "whiny" or say "man up" to it. So then we should be emotional but not negative emotions. We should be emotional and passionate about doing whatever you want and being happy the whole time.

[genuinlysensitive]

Lol, its not what we should be or should not be, its just about spreading hatred of men, which is acceptable... Its only unacceptable towards women. Behold the feminist idea of equality!

[anon4122]

yeah but for some unknown reason I find myself asking feminists to defend their arguments.

[9mfeo]

Pretty sure the oerson who wrote the mytake was a dude.

[AdamThomas]

It's only bad to be like a woman if you're a man. Most people see feminine women as the most desirable. It has nothing to do with hating women. Men and women have always been held to different standards. I fins it funny that even though you say this negatively affects men as well as women that this is due to misogyny, classic feminist mental gymnastics.

[cipher42]

It IS misogyny though. Men are devalued BECAUSE they have feminine traits, like you just said. How is that not misogyny? And those traditionally feminine gender roles that you claim make women who fit them more valuable are still all about being weaker and stupider and overall less capable, so I reeeaaally don't see why that's a good thing. And even then, you're still wrong, because women DO have to be masculine to be taken seriously in many areas, particularly in professional fields. Feminine women are only the most desirable when it comes to relationships, and even then a lot of guys say they DONT want a woman who is "too girly".

[AdamThomas]

@cipher42 - it's not misogyny because it doesn't devalue a woman to be feminine. As for women being masculine, grow a mustache, grow some armpit hair, shave your head, then see how many people take you seriously vs. laugh at you/look at you in disgust. I bet that would be misogyny too to you, yet these are all considered to be masculine things that only devalue women and using your logic that means that people are misandric. It's to do with different expectations on men and women, neither misogyny or misandry (or both?). Being feminine isn't about being weaker or less capable and intelligent either, as feminists would have you believe. For example I know for a fact that my girlfriend is better at certain things than I am as a typically feminine woman, and I'm better at other things, and we like these differences. The only people who tell you that you need to be masculine because femininity is degrading are feminists themselves.

[AdamThomas]

@cipher42 - you might be right about certain professional fields favouring masculinity, but there are others that favour femininity also. As for men who say they don't want a girl who is too girly, there are plenty of women who say they don't want a man who is too manly or "macho", nowadays being manly is often something to be mocked. But don't you think that could possibly be due to the pushing of androgyny from feminism?

[Amplify]

@cipher42 I wouldn't want a horse that had fins and could breathe underwater. At least not for horse things. Sounds like an excellent alternative to a seadoo though.

Do you like my metaphor?

[MelioraValidus]

@AdamThomas The problem with that metaphor is that horses were not created for riding. Just because humans have decided that that is their purpose and have treated them as such does not mean that a horse was made so that a human can ride upon it. Likewise, men and women were not created with any express purpose in mind, as far as we know, they just are. And even if humans were created with a purpose, what law of physics says that one can not rebel against their creator and do as they like? Who says a person can not make their own purpose, their own destiny in life? Men and women have the right to their own destiny, and to act as though they have to conform to your ideas of how they should be, for no other reason than your own close-mindedness, is nothing but bigotry. And bigotry is not acceptable.

[MelioraValidus]

@ Amplify *

[Amplify]

@MelioraValidus That was my metaphor, not adams. A horse is most useful to humans if it does what we expect it to do. It has every right to be whatever it wants, but it won't get any help from us unless it can be productive. If you want to rebel then go ahead. But don't expect to rebel and get a lot of support. That's why it's called rebelling.

[Amplify]

@cipher42 I'm sorry, it was originally your comment I was talking about and I pretty much stole it from you. What do you think?

[araelee]

I love this. It's true. But one thing I would like to note is that not all societies are like this, Americans (Christians), Muslims and Jews are Patriarchial societies full of violence and rape culture. Matriarchal Societies Like Hindus, Taoist, and Buddhism that do not view violence as 'Manly' are a lot more peaceful and respect women as Bearers of life and view them as spiritual beings and potential mothers and even barren women as sisters.

[kheserthorpe]

That explains why India has so few rapes compared to the U. S. then?

[takemaru111111]

Patriarchy is something, which is reinforced by law, or appears, if the state can't enforce the law (like in India and Nigeria).
Some men are still cavemen deep inside: they can be violent and rapey, they may get into fights for dominance. If a group is uncultured, it can bring out that cavemen. If a state can't enforce the law, violence and crime will be on the rise.

I don't like the term "rape culture". It suggest that those "walking sausages" are victims of a patriarchal conspiracy, which brainwashed them into being a prick. I think they are just simply pricks. Uncultured, vilolent bastards. Rape culture isn't culture, it is the lack of culture.

[beyonder]

I don't think you realise the idiocy of what you are implying. The cultures perpetuated by Christianity, Islam and Judaism encourage rape and violence? Do you even know anything about these religions? They are the most widely followed religions in the world and it's bigot-like opinions like yours that poison their image. These religions are peaceful and even if you don't believe in them you should hold your tongue on matters as sensitive because it's disrespectful and, to say this politely, not in good taste.

If you want to talk about the positives of certain religions then go ahead- don't bash others that you very obviously know close to nothing about other than the mutilated image the media likes to represent.

[MelioraValidus]

@ Beyonder You do realize that the christian bible says that christians are supposed to stone non-christians to death, right? "thou shall not kill" and "love thy neighbor" only apply to fellow christians.

[anon4122]

@beyonder. I am half Irish and I want to thank the peaceful religion of Christianity for the disappearance of the original culture of my ancestors and the deaths of millions of them during that time and now due to their squabbling over which form of the religion is right. My British half wants to thank Islam for the acts of Terrorism they and America suffered from it. Also You do realise what you say when you say religion is too sacred to criticise is if too many people believe it too strongly we can't attack it.

[beyonder]

i don't know too much about the bible and the rules regarding stoning people to death. But even if I don't- I believe that most times when people make claims or quote a single line of a script- it's usually taken out of context.

@anon4122 you can thank them for that- that's just the course of history and things change with time. Just like the generations of the future will blame large corporations and industries for our world's changing landscape and pollution levels- there are problems and there are consequences everywhere in the world. It's not about the religion, it's more about the people.

"Acts of terrorism" is what the entire Islamic community and religion is to you? I'm certain that I won't be able to change your opinion on this, as I said earlier, the media does like to paint a horrific picture when it is in politics favour to encourage hate against a certain group or community. These acts of terrorism are not perpetuated by Islam, neither are they the belief of all Muslims

[beyonder]

But we aren't talking about terrorism here or the history of Christianity. We're talking about how certain religions - Christianity, Judaism, Islam- encourage rape and violence. My stance is that they do not. There are sickos in every community, there are a number of factors affecting the person who chooses violence or to rape someone. Their family problems, social relationships, class and background, financial situation and the degree of development their country is in - these are just some of the many factors that go into creating the mindset and person behind rape and violent behaviour. You cannot blame it solely on which religion they follow. Rape is wrong in all three of these religions- so is violence.

So now that I've made myself clearer- hope you have a nice day ☺️

[anon4122]

beyonder. Have you read the books of Islam and Christianity? They call for violence. They also say a woman must marry her rapist. (Deuteronomy 22:28) Sharia law. Just because there are a lot of moderates does not make the original idea good.

[Shmusername]

When I first saw the title I thought this was a satirical MyTake. I was wrong. I filled this space with an argument against this, but I realized it won't make a difference. Nothing good ever comes from arguing on the internet.

[Amplify]

Change is hard. And it isn't guaranteed to make things better. Why work so hard to change something if our lives aren't at stake?

[MelioraValidus]

If people in the stone age thought as you do, do you think we'd be living in a modern era? No, we would be living like cavemen today, because it takes a desire to change to make progress. Remember that progress is a form of positive change, and if you are against all change, then you are against positive change as well, against progress as well. Do you like the internet? Do you like not dying of the common cold? Do you like not having to go out hunting for meat every day, where you can instead head down to the grocery store? If you answered yes to any of these questions, then you have no room to talk

[Amplify]

@MelioraValidus I was just about to say this in another comment. This is how neanderthals acted thousands of years ago and they evolved into us. Sounds like if we continue that tradition we will evolve even further. I would want to help create a being as evolved to us as we are to neanderthals. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

[MelioraValidus]

Is not tradition by nature the resistance to change, the desire to ever keep things the same? Remember that progress is change by definition, and if you are against change, you are against progress. If you adhere to tradition, you adhere to an absence of progress by nature. Tradition does not spur evolution, it destroys it.

[Amplify]

@MelioraValidus Are we just dropping the caveman metaphor? I liked that one. And I've never found change to always mean progress. If you change once and then change again, you could be right back where you started. And that's not progress. Do you not have fresh water and more then enough food to sustain you? Do you not have electricity to power your home, and factories to create the very device you use today? The way we did things gave us all that. Perhaps another way would have given us more, but getting angry at those who did this for us is selfish isn't it?

[Amplify]

@MelioraValidus By the way I am actually on your side. Bigwig pigs who hire women just to stare at them and then pay them less because they say the woman isn't helping make me sick. I just like looking at things from both sides. I made a comment on an anti-female question that I thought put him in his place. It's a litlle trollish and he deserves no better then that. Feel free to take a look at that.

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@MelioraValidus Did I win?

[checkyesjulietx]

'why would we work so hard to change things if our lives aren't at stake?' your attitude is hilarious. the way we have made progress is not by changing only when our lives have been at risk but by pursuing and striving for positive change when our lives are not

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@checkyesjulietx I'm sorry, but what have we accomplished that wasn't to save ourselves from something?

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creating the internet, the industrial revolution, abolishing slavery, gay rights are just a few exmaples

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The Internet was originally created by the military to aid in organization of fleets and whatnot, the industrial rvolution was spurned from technology used to mass-produce weapons, slaves rebelled because they were being killed by their owners, and gays were condemned by the overwhelming Christian influence because they considered it an abomination. They would send them to straight camps where they were tortured.

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no the internet was not created for that purpose, i don't know where you got that from. there are always multiple factors to explain events, you can't just proclaim that they happened because people's lives were at risk. most pf the stuff you mentioned in regards to war: humans initiate war on other humans, if they only cared about saving their lives, why would they fight in the first place?

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@checkyesjulietx You must have snoozed off in history class. The first computer networks were invented by DARPA, a military research group.

We go to war to kill people who want to kill us. They probably want to kill us because we've done something to upset them.

[checkyesjulietx]

The Worldwide Web (the internet we know today) was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a British computer scientist and former CERN employee "to link and access information of various kinds as a web of nodes in which the user can browse at will".

You must have dozed off in history class if you think all wars were started by people because they were at risk of being killed. Most wars have started because one country deems itself superior and wants to expand their borders. Hardly at risk of being killed unless they initiated that war.

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@CheckYesJuliet The Web is simply a protocol used on computer networks. It makes accessing information easier. I'm talking about the theory of connecting computers together.

When we attempted to claim their land, we upset them. They proceeded to try to kill us. A much darker alternative, we wanted them dead so we could take their land. We tried to kill them.

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Yes, war and battle are the lifeblood of the world (both literally via death and metaphorically via every type of competition in existence)... your point is? Life itself is one big war and every action we take to better ourselves is a battle won in that war, so your point about how we shouldn't try to improve ourselves if our lives are not at risk is inherently invalid because they are *always* at risk whether we like it or not. Whether they are at risk via the various viruses and bacteria in this world just waiting to end us, or the inevitable fact of physical war... that whether we like it or not, war will always come someday. Whether it be war from another nation onto ours, or war from another world onto ours... war will always come back eventually. Even if not in our lifetimes, it's still inevitable, and we must still treat it as such.

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@MelioraValidus Oh hey, you're back. Haven't finished your first debate but whatever.

You do know you're actually proving my point, right? We don't do anything worthwhile unless our lives are at stake. Why waste time on feminism when there are more pressing issues at hand, like preparing for war or fighting diseases? Feminism's goal isn't directly to prevent death or injury. We already made it illegal to injure anyone of any gender for no reason.

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Because Feminism is a part of a war itself-a more political war against those who are against us one one way or another... like Republicans.
Also, if one is being completely logical, sexism is a form of bigotry, which is meaningless and stupid discrimination. If a trait does not affect one's power in a statically significant way, then what reason is there to discriminate against people who have that trait? There is no reason. It is one thing to, say, discriminate against cigarette smokers and try to force them to quit smoking, but to discriminate against someone because their body looks a little bit different than yours is outright stupid. Bigotry is a weakness and weakness can not be tolerated on the battlefield called life.

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@MelioraValidus Last I checked, men produced far more testosterone then women. Testosterone increases muscle gain significantly, so technically, they are actually weaker.

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Invalid assessment; small differences are not statistically significant. I believe you've said before you just like arguing, so I am ending this now with a block. Good bye.

[Phoenix98]

I am more a of bratwurst they are far more delicious.
( and yes I do know what you are referring to, I'm just being silly )

[Roycaryn]

You can't just summarize complex human behaviors and emotions down to "patriarchy" like that.