Should I wait for my Taurus man?

[GetReal27]

I am a Capricorn woman in love with a Taurus man. We met at work, and the first one to two months were a dream, but then after I put in my heart and soul, he says, "You spoiled the whole relationship. It was so good." A number of months, fights, declarations of love (from my side), and "I gave you so many chances" (from his side, of course) later, it reached a point where I decided to take him for what he is and leave him alone.

He says "I treated you so well, and you wasted all your chances." On the day I last met him, I asked him if he believed in me, and he replied, "Yes, I do, but why don't you give yourself a chance?" He asked me not to contact him (actually warned me), and said he will contact me "if" he liked. Now, for my age (according to my social background), its kind of getting late for marriage, and I really love him and think that I might never find such great tuning with anyone else, but I have a basic question - "Am I just dreaming? Should I wait for him? Or should I go the old-fashioned way and settle for an arranged marriage? ('coz after getting to know him, I don't think I can really choose anyone else ever again)" Any thoughts on this? Thanks in advance!

[Anonymous]

DAMN!!! I'm a taurus guy just waiting for a Cappy woman! I hear it's such as amazing relationship between the two. I find Capricorn women so like me.. as a Taurus man.

I'm not working yet, just about to grad from uni. So maybe I'll meet my cappy woman in the work industry.

Us taurus guys, I think we need a challenge. If girls fall for us too easily, then we get bored since it's too easy then. If you want him back, then leave him alone for awhile. If we like a girl, we will miss her and realize it and go back to her and know we need her in our life.

I feel like you are leaving some details out? Why is he saying you wasted your chance? Did you reject him at some point? If so, then no a taurus guy will never take a girl back that rejects him. They move on and never look back again.

[GetReal27]

No, I have made it very clear to him that I will wait for him. But I agree I have tested him a few times by saying I want to break up if he doesn't understand why I want to keep in touch with him. However, I have more than made up for it subsequently by spending a lot of time apologizing.

I think what he means by wasting my chances is that I didn't go with the flow and enjoy the relationship, and instead raised the question of commitment and marriage. He loves his freedom, but I also need my security. Anyway, finally I've compromised and now I am doing what he wants me to - not contact him, only on the condition that he will contact me on his own - however long that takes. Is this good?

[Opinion Owner]

It's good and bad.. Good because he gets time to let is anger out and it will settle away. Then if he does talk to you he will be more calm. Also, if he starts to feel you have moved on he will rush after you too.

I think you need to stop apologizing, because it bugs us after awhile over and over again.

I would say don't wait for him, just try to move on with your daily routines. He may come back and realize there was something good and he wants it still... or he will stay mad and never come back. Hard to say... since most Taurus men LIKE commitment and that too with someone that they like and connect with. Just give him the silent treatment and if he does contact you.. don't act all easy. Make it difficult for him to contact you. Or rather make him WORK to win you back, because that then poses a challenge for him which he will enjoy that he would feel like he lost.

[GetReal27]

A big thanks for your advice, very helpful.. will keep in mind. And wish you good luck with your Cappy girl, hope you find her soon!

[Anonymous]

This is tough but I say try to get him back n if he says no move on.

U have to ask yourself, do I want to be with someone that can just walk out on me like this? Real love last. Maybe u mistaked romance for love. A lot of women do. N there is a big difference.

When a real man loves a woman he does that. He loves her. Doesn't mean he's perfect, but it means he will treat u like a lad.
If u did not do anything that's extremely horrible to him or cross a line he sternly warned u not to, than its best u just move on because its better he leaves now than after u 2 R married n have kids.

N by the way, Aquarius, Virgo, Leo. Might be a better match for u

[GetReal27]

Your analysis makes total sense. If only I wasn't this emotionally attached...

I guess this is one of life's lessons, and I better get ready to move on. But, I feel I should wait and see if he contacts me on my birthday (Dec 27th) before I decide. Last year, we had a fight just a day before my b'day. Yet, he called up the next day on the pretext of advising me, and I immediately understood why he had called. I think he is basically very shy. Also, he still hasn't made it big in his career. I guess he needs time to take me into his life. I will remain positive, but will keep your advice in mind. Thanks!

[Luv2BRealExotic13]

Well you're a Capricorn so you're naturally pushy and goal driven. Taurus is goal driven and more Prince Charming but doesn't become pushy. They also move at snail pace for things new and unfamiliar. I don't know I think you should move on bc usually when a Taurus makes up their mind they're stubborn and set on it. If he said he'll contact you if he likes he may need a few days to think. After a week just get back and date and forget him.

[GetReal27]

Forgetting him is a tough option, but yes I've kind of moved on. I'm very busy with my new career, so I don't have time to even get depressed. I will leave it to destiny. I believe what is meant to be mine will come back to me. Thanks for your help!

[Luv2BRealExotic13]

You're welcome :)

[MaskedSanity]

Being your age and still believing in something that has been conclusively proven to be utter bullshit.
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Here's an eye-opener. Realize just how gullible you are for believing in mind games created by clever people, who are profiting in the millions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AyTbLqSBfI

[GetReal27]

I appreciate all that you are trying to say. Sorry to say, but you are just being cynical. While astrology is by no means accurate, it definitely helps you in the process of understanding someone. And I have met people over the years, and getting to know someone's astrological profile gives me a better idea of what I'm dealing with.

As far as my Taurus BF is concerned, even though him being a Taurus was one of the factors, it was what we spoke and shared and experienced with each other that created the bond, rather than just being compatible signs. I use astrology as an aid, and theory can never replace real life experience.

[MaskedSanity]

It doesn't matter what you personally believe, love. Science and facts ALWAYS trump your personal opinion. It's not cynicism, it's called being educated.

I'm sorry you can't handle people at face value and require to put everyone into a neat little box that was scripted using the exact same mixture of words and sentences to generalize the "prediction", so it fits anyone who reads it.

Try critical thinking and you might just find a compatible mate. Most men are not into bullshit. ;)

[GetReal27]

You are entitled to your opinion. While I do analyze people on what they do than just on their astrological signs, I believe in my instincts and intuition a lot, so there is no way I'm stop believing in destiny and God's well-laid-out plan. Even people who do critical thinking fail. I was just looking for relationship advice keeping astrology as a reference point. I do know its ultimately the actions and the interactions on an everyday basis that makes or breaks a match. But believing in astrology is not being uneducated. Its one of the time-tested topics that has survived a lot of criticism. I am more into personality analysis than predictions. How can science go against analysis. Even psychology is full of theories, that doesn't mean its all BS.

[MaskedSanity]

Again, love, facts =/= opinions. Please don't compare your mumbo jumbo to actual sciences.

If you want to trust your intuition, you're welcome to do so. But please don't try to put it on par with things, that actually have conclusive evidence behind them.

Astrology has been debunked time and time again. It hasn't been "time-tested", it existed for decades because its convenient wording literally fits anyone who reads it and people gullibly go "Oh my god, that sounds just like me! It's magic!".

Your beliefs =/= reality. That's why they're called beliefs, faith and intuition, instead of facts and evidence.

[GetReal27]

How about high-tides and low-tides (Moon) affecting people's emotions? What do you have to say for that?

[MaskedSanity]

Here you go, love: www.livescience.com/...hs-truth-lunar-effects.html

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that all you have ever been reading are pseudo science books and people's personal blogs, instead of doing proper research.

[GetReal27]

Well, I am no Astrophysicist, but I would say your skepticism is not totally out of place. But who said love is logical? If it was, it would be so boring..

[MaskedSanity]

I never said love was logical. Love is fantastic, when two people connect on an emotional level and the best way to do it is to get to know that person, well, PERSONALLY.

When you use a horoscope to tell what they're like, you're kind of insulting that person's existence really. Fuck whoever they are, what they've been through and how they've worked to become who they are, when you can just pull out a piece of paper that neatly describes and ultimately reduces them to a mere paragraph.

If you want something reliable and less vague, try MBTI personality types. Those are actually based on people's behaviours rather than dates of birth and planet alignments. Although not completely reliable, they're a far better approach, than astrology.

[GetReal27]

I totally agree with not believing in anything blindly. But I've lived with astrology for a very long time, and its kind of grown on me. Almost my second nature. But let me clarify, i never base my final judgement only on that. For example, even though I knew my earlier BF was a Leo, and being a Capricorn, I knew I would've issues with him, but I chose him and things even looked like they might work out. But they didn't. No, i don't blame his zodiac sign for the break up. It was more because of incompatible social backgrounds.. So, I don't take astrology too seriously if things go bad.. I tend to use it to explain only the good stuff ;)

[MaskedSanity]

So... you convinced yourself via horoscope that because of your signs the relationship wouldn't work out and it eventually didn't. Hmm, I wonder what the issue was there.

[GetReal27]

No, u didn't understand me. The issue wasn't incompatibility. He was from a different religion, and didn't respect me enough for the sacrifices I'd made. he took it for granted.. and I wasn't willing to go any further. Even the so-called incompatible signs can work out their differences and make it a success, only if they try. Where there is a will, there is a way. Linda Goodman conveys the same message too. Even people who don't believe in astrology too go through break-ups and blame something or the other for their trouble. So, why blame astrology? It is just like any other science. It is the people's interpretation that could be faulty.

[med11]

If you have "lived with astrology for a long time" you do realize then that it goes much deeper than the simple sun sign, yes? You have to consider the entire horoscope to get an accurate designation on what your true sign is. Example, I am the extremely rare Double Cancer.

On a side note, damn Masked... look at you all alluring. That picture just reached across the Atlantic and Chuck Norris round housed my face with a holy shit bomb.

[GetReal27]

Ah! Tenacious Cancer.. as far as my horoscope, I know my signs very well:

Sun in Capricorn
Ascendant in Aries
Moon in Pisces
Mars in Sagittarius
Venus in Aquarius
Jupiter in Taurus
Mercury in Capricorn
North Node in Scorpio
Uranus in Scorpio
Neptune in Sagittarius
Pluto in Libra

[GetReal27]

... and Saturn in Leo

[GetReal27]

My partner's:

Sun in Taurus
Ascendant in Capricorn
Moon in Libra
Mars in Aries
Venus in Cancer
Saturn in Cancer
Jupiter in Aries
Mercury in Gemini
North Node in Sagittarius
Uranus in Libra
Neptune in Sagittarius
Pluto in Libra

[GetReal27]

By the way, his ascendant is the EXACT degree of my Sun :B

[MaskedSanity]

Correct, compatibility was the problem.

And again, please don't refer to astrology as a science, because it's not and never will be.

[GetReal27]

I'm not sure which relationship you are referring to... if it was the one with the Leo, then I told you, we were quite compatible in our personalities. The problem was more with religion and social background.

According to Indian scriptures, Astrology is one of the 64 sciences. It is called "Jyothishya Shastra," and Shastra means Science (body of learning).

[MaskedSanity]

If your personalities were compatible, you wouldn't be arguing so much and he would have respected your religious/social backgrounds. Him being a dick to you over something he disagrees with is part of his personality.

"According to Indian scriptures..."

Pfffft, lmao. If you had any credibility before, that was completely destroyed with that phrase. Because when people have tried to advance the human race, the first thing they turned to were SCRIPTURES, ahahahahaha. Thanks for the laugh. XD

Here ya go: https://oi57.tinypic.com/ou0a53.jpg

[GetReal27]

Just because some silly website calls it fake, Astrology will not lose its credibility. And I am sure you're not completely aware of what's all contained in the Indian scriptures. Vedas and related texts don't just speak about faith, God, and worship; along with all this, they contain exhaustive material on all possible scientific topics.

That Leo did want me to marry him.. it was I who decided to end it, as I felt it would be too much of a trouble for my family if he wanted only me to make all the adjustments. I would've gone for it if he was willing to compromise. But his social background is very orthodox, so that ended it.

[MaskedSanity]

"Just because some silly website calls it fake, Astrology will not lose its credibility."

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Astrology never had credibility to begin with. It is not a science, was never considered a science and no matter how much you deny it, it will not change.
Yeah, Vedas contains just about as much "science" as any other scriptures, depending on how you decide to interpret it.
There's a reason why they're called scriptures and not science books.

As I said before, if you want to believe in it - cool, go right on ahead. But stop trying to dress it up as anything other, than ancient beliefs.

[GetReal27]

U don't know much about the Vedas.. please read up on it

[GetReal27]

I said this coz you also seem to be rubbishing all the knowledge contained in the ancient books, not just astrology. If we spent more time studying them and less on other crap, we'd stop reinventing the wheel (which is what most of us are doing anyway). The so-called advancement you are talking about, its more of hype. Advancement was not waiting for the 20th century to come. It is a basic human need. All those people in earlier times were not duds. In fact, we can learn so much from them and stop wasting our time learning truths all over again. What happened to all the "space travel"? How much of it is really practical?

[MaskedSanity]

Actually, I know a good bit about the Vedas as a significant portion of my native tongue originated from Sanskrit, including the word itself which means "to know" (ведать), so please don't assume I don't know things based on my disagreeing with you.

Again, your feelings and personal convictions don't trump factual evidence, like it or not.

[MaskedSanity]

Sweetie, you wouldn't be typing your convictions to me right now, if it weren't for all those silly scientists, who invented... oh I dunno, home electricity, PCs, smartphones, the internet and so on. If it weren't for the whole space program thing, you would not have the luxury of being able to call your friends of family at any given time IN REAL TIME. Because you know... SATELLITES.

If ancients were so amazing and advanced and we can learn so much from them, then go ahead and extract yourself from the modern world and live by how people of the old used to live. Or here's another idea: if ancient Indian texts were so advanced and the answer to everything, why not just go ahead and move to India altogether, seeing as how they're so scientifically advanced. XD

Damn, lady, you crack me up.

[GetReal27]

Ancient texts are not about feelings. They convey hard facts. Just as any science has its rules and regulations, even astrology has its own. People who follow it in good faith will be benefited. But the benefits are not tangible, physical benefits. Maybe, that's why you don't seem to believe in it. You must be more of a person who needs physical proof for everything. No issues. But Astrology is not total BS. It gives us a broad framework to plan our life. Just as you gave the example of MBTI personality. Its not as if i am not deciding on which medicine to take based on astrology, what's the harm in using astrology to analyze people?

[MaskedSanity]

"Ancient texts are not about feelings. They convey hard facts."

LMAO. You mean like the guy, who lived in a whale's belly for 3 days or how the world was flooded and everyone died, but there's nothing at all to support it?

Keep going, this is gold.

[GetReal27]

Just because modern science has its benefits, it doesn't become the ultimate thing. We all know what happens when the electricity goes or the phones go dead, or some natural calamity strikes. We humans always think we are super powerful and we create our own destiny. That's arrogance. Everything has its place. Tolerance is very important if human race has to survive. I've nothing against modern conveniences. But thr are a lot of contradictions and lack of direction in today's times. That can be cleared only by time-tested knowledge, and not just because it is being advertised in the media. Where we take inspiration from is very important. Thats what decides our future... continued...

[GetReal27]

---continued---

By the way, I live in India, and I think we as a nation had lost track of ourselves for centuries due to a number of reasons, but I feel we're coming back on track. I'm definitely proof of it (I know i sound a bit arrogant). I'm sure there is a lot of youth who think similarly, so things should look up for India soon :)

[MaskedSanity]

Hey, if you want spiritualism and other things to give meaning to your existence and you're happy with it - fantastic, wish you a red carpet.

But you believe and even argue that astrology is science. The scientific community has completely rejected it as such.

Who has more credibility, an outdated system designed by people who still struggle with getting their whole country out of the middle ages? Or hundreds of years of thousands upon thousands of conclusive studies, that are regularly scrutinized and peer reviewed to weed out flaws and inaccuracies?

Believe what you want, however facts > personal beliefs.

[GetReal27]

There are stories mentioned in the scriptures for teaching the right way of living. They are not historical, or at best they are semi-historical. That is, they take characters from history, but the description might not be entirely factual.

Then there are texts that only explain about topics - political science, economics, astronomy, mathematics, surgery, cooking, yoga, health, astrology, philosophy, science, civil engineering --- u name it.

[GetReal27]

And who are part of this scientific community... please name a few. I would like to know their body of work, before they are quoted as "proof" by you. Also, what are the reasons for "completely rejecting" astrology?

[GetReal27]

A lot of BS in psychology is also quoted as proof and research.. what do u have to say about it?

[MaskedSanity]

This is the research you need to do yourself, love. Here's a Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology Read it in full and make sure to check all the sources.
Here's a simplified explanation of why astrology is not a science: undsci.berkeley.edu/article/astrology_checklist

[GetReal27]

Pity you are relying on wikipedia and such sites to form opinion on something. Please use those websites only for hard facts and figures, and not the propaganda. Obviously, as I said before, the benefits of astrology don't have tangible proof. Hence, the followers of modern science don't accept it. Have you watched the Movie "Contact"? Just bcoz there was no proof, that doesn't mean the heroine didn't experience what she did. Similarly, though astrology is not part of the regular sciences (though the effects of gravity and electromagnetic waves of heavenly bodies comes under physics), it can definitely come under behavioral science or psychology (I am not really into prediction astrology). You mean to say everything about human thinking and behavior can be "proved"? Astrology needs an element of belief to really come of use. So, if you don't have belief in it, no probs. But those who believe in it are not fools

[MaskedSanity]

Do you also believe vaccines cause autism?

[GetReal27]

I didn't get the connection... anyway, to answer ur question, yes, it could bcoz vaccines contain chemicals that could alter metabolism and development in children.

[MaskedSanity]

Bye.

[GetReal27]

Nice chatting with u... good luck to u.. bye

[AnimeDreama]

You don't really believe in all that star sign shit do you?

[GetReal27]

I believe that astrology helps with understanding people better... its a personality assessment tool for me

[AnimeDreama]

lol I don't believe that. I take a person how they are, not by their silly little star signs

[GetReal27]

If you don't like it, no harm... everyone has their own viewpoint

[SimiSyndicate]

Wait, so how do arbitrary positions of stars correspond with personality?

[GetReal27]

Every moment, we as living beings are under the influence of all kinds of forces. U have heard of UV rays being harmful to the eyes right? So, the gravitational and electromagnetic energies of heavenly bodies impact our bodies and brain waves, since the planets are moving all the time, the various combinations of their positions affect the way in which they affect us. Each moment has its own astrological blueprint (horoscope). So if u r born at a particular time, the planetary combinations affect u in a different way. So they affect you throughout ur life.

Well this is the scientific analysis. I personally am not into prediction astrology. I take it more for personality analysis. Modern astrology divides the personality types into 12, which is a convenient way to classify people. Its interesting and has worked for me so far.

[SimiSyndicate]

Except no evidence has been found that such influence on personality exists and that the forces we're talking about here are so negligible that you should be much more worried about the medical staff walking around, cellphones and powerlines.

Also, should we stop the discussion? Yes, I screwed up by starting the debate. No, I don't think these debates should happen here on GAG.

[GetReal27]

I respect ur decision to end the discussion, and I hope u appreciate others' opinion.

[greycadillacs]

It sounds like there are fundamental problems with the relationship and it will not work out. The first one or two months of any relationship is the honeymoon period, and everything will seem great, but it's what comes after that makes a difference.

[GetReal27]

I agree I made a big mistake of arguing with him and rushing him. But, whenever we've fought, he's always kept in touch until he has made sure I'm back to normal. I think he must be having some trust issues.

Anyway, thanks for your input. It's better to hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

[greycadillacs]

I wish you all the luck in your endeavors.

[martyfellow]

Don't be too disappointed. He sounds very VERY male supremacist. Be glad you wasted no more time

[GetReal27]

Okay, there was one episode, wherein he called me "hyper." Generally, I would go about explaining how that is not true, but that particular day, I snapped and told him enough is enough and that I will stay away from him as he wished and I made a mistake expecting things from him, and I didn't call him again.

Uncharacteristically, he calls me up that night (it is strange for someone who doesn't even want to pick my call), and asks me why I hurt him and that he needed to see a psychiatrist for the pressure I am putting on him. I think if he truly had a big ego, he wouldn't have called for that silly reason.

Another time, after I gave him a surprise visit to his house just to say Hi, he erupted at me, saying how I'm interfering in his life. Then, he again extracted a promise from me not to contact him. I agreed, but then I had already ordered an online gift for him for his b'day, and when he received it, he called me up to again warn me not to contact him... to be continued..

[GetReal27]

---continued----

He thanked me for the gift, but this time he said "I will contact you if everything works out for me." I know that is a big IF, but why would he call me up on his own and say this? He could've maintained his usual silence that he always does... and he also says he "believes in me," and said he wanted to help me whenever I argued with him on relationship issues. Why make such nice statements if all he wants to do is keep me away?

[martyfellow]

Oh, yes, he wants you around, but on HIS terms and HIS convenience only!

[GetReal27]

If I adjust with his selfishness a bit, he might end up liking me... because our personalities are so similar (it was he who befriended me at my workplace saying he understands me very well). I really don't want to lose him. If all he wants is some patience, then so be it.

But you are right, if he doesn't play fair, then its not worth it.

[martyfellow]

Good luck, there are better guys out there for you.

[Annymous8]

I stopped believing in zodiac matches.

[GetReal27]

Too bad, you don't believe in astrology! Even my BF/ex doesn't.. though I simply can't convince myself out of it! Thanks for taking time to read my question.

[lordAlex818]

Is this horoscope relationships idea a thing now?

[GetReal27]

It's been there since ages.. whoever wants to believe it will do so

[lordAlex818]

Lol I didn't know that, but okay. To each their own.

[Jalent]

Hi Can I know if you waited and if anything came out of it?

[megustalagasolina]

astrology is bullshit

[GetReal27]

Well, according to u... i respect ur opinion

[megustalagasolina]

i mean... how can somebody believe in it? can you explain me why do you believe in it?

[GetReal27]

Its a good starting point to analyze people. Moreover, its been there since ages, so it is a time-tested subject. Especially in my country (India), before beginning any important task, it has been a common practice to look into planetary positions, though our busy lifestyles do allow to do this anymore. People even to this day seek astrologers help in deciding a good time for important events like moving into a new house, getting married, naming ceremon for kids, and other traditional stuff... continued...

[GetReal27]

----continued-----

Now, while I'm not into this prediction astrology that much, I've always found astrology useful for personality analysis at least. The natal chart, the positions of planets at the time of your birth (your astrological blueprint), is very useful in knowing your behavioral tendencies. We have 12 seasons in a year and there are 12 zodiac houses in the horoscope. At the very minimum, weather changes do affect the way we think and act, so it does make sense when we expect a Capricorn (born in Winter) to be a bit cold and reserved, while a person with a lot of Aries (born during Spring) in their chart tends to be warm and enthusiastic about life... continued (please excuse me for the length of my explanation)...

[GetReal27]

----continued-----

Apart from this the influence of gravitational and magnetic forces of heavenly bodies (all the planets are really really huge, you must agree!) as well as the light waves emitted by the stars do have an effect on our metabolism and brain waves. So, Jupiter has a bigger influence on us than a small planet like Mars (though it is nearer). The differences in size, speed of revolution, and their position in the sky influence how the planets affect us. You could argue that this influence is negligible, but think about how huge the planets are. Imagine how you will feel and think if there was no gravity on earth!
... contd...

[GetReal27]

-----continued------

As far as personality analysis, astrology divides people into 12 convenient types (well thought out divisions), so its a good tool to begin analyzing people with. So, even if you don't believe that stars influence people, u will find it convenient to begin understanding people with just these 12 major personality types. But it is not the Sun Sign alone that describes a person completely; the positions of all planets matter too, and thus we get a complete picture of their personality... contd...

[GetReal27]

----contd----

In the worst case, even if you don't agree that those 12 divisions are accurate, at least astrology gives you an interesting method of analysis. Each zodiac has its positive and negative aspects, knowing those is a good reminder how to offset the negativity we find in life. Like the Aries represents self confidence... but if overdone, it could lead to selfishness. Libra is the opposite, but too much selflessness isn't good either. So, all the zodiac analysis is a complete "package" in itself. I can guarantee you, learning about people through the zodiac looking glass is no way boring. Hope this helps!

[megustalagasolina]

i didn't ask how astrology works, just wanted to know why do you believe in it. what is the process that explains how the stars at your birth alters your personality. and why at birth? we are subject to it every day and even before birth. and why none of what you wrote (or paste) was ever proven cientificaly? and why those predictions are soooo unaccured?

[GetReal27]

I am feeling bad to be at the receiving end of your negative comments after my fair attempt at explaining all that you said I didn't. Maybe, you are prejudiced. All the questions you have raised in your latest comment have already been answered by me in my detailed explanation. In fact, I wrote such a lengthy write-up (it was impromptu, and not "cut and paste" for your kind information, by the way) only to make sure I am completely clear.

In fact, you are contradicting yourself. Do you really want to know the meaning of astrology, or just want to justify why you "hate" it? Coz' if you were really seeking answers, I have given you a lot of angles and covered many aspects of astrology - "why I believe in it, what is the process that explains how stars at birth alter our personality, and why at birth."

[GetReal27]

-----contd-----

As far as predictions go, don't read whichever newspaper/book/website you can lay your hands on. Use your discretion and decide if the astrologer is qualified and genuine, just like you would when you seek anyone's help for any other purpose. If you go to fake astrologers, you will get fake predictions. In any case, I personally am not interested in knowing the future. I only want to know why people behave the way they do, and the dynamics of human interaction.

You need an open mind to learn any subject. Otherwise, its better to stay away. I cannot accept the negative attitude with which you replied. I wouldn't like to accept any more questions from you if you don't understand that you insulted me. If you don't agree with me, it doesn't mean you should insult me. All the best for your future.

[megustalagasolina]

study sociology then, that's a science.
I can tell why i hate astrology: because there is thousands of people making money out of it. without any king of scientific (then rational) prof. they sell you bland information that cannot, EVER, be proven wrong. do you know James Randi madam? everyone interested in that kind of thing should get to know his work.
did you know that he offers 1 MILLION dollars to ANYONE on earth who profs, under controlled circumstances agreed by both parts, any kind of those bullshits like, astrology, card reading, ghosts talks etc...

[GetReal27]

Your argument has a lot of strength. I appreciate ur opinion. I think the James Randi challenge is quite interesting. But let me tell you, I am not into paranormal or magic or things like that. I only strongly believe the power of celestial bodies over us and the "grand plan" that our Maker has written for each of us. Of course, there is always the option of "free will," for which he has provided plenty of margin.

I totally agree with you that not all astrologers are to be believed. Please use ur discretion! But it is a valid field of study. Until Newton discovered gravity (which can't be physically seen or touched!), if anyone talked about such a theory, they too would've been made fun of. So also other stuff like the earth being round. The right time has to come, thats all.

[megustalagasolina]

tell your trustworthy astrology she could win a million dollars anytime she wants.
i lost the will to keep argue when you tried to make an analogy to the gravity force xD
just don't give your hard earned money to all those astrologist hustlers

[GetReal27]

Please don't argue if u don't want to. Nobody is forcing u. But u can't force somebody to give up something just because u don't believe in it. And I don't pay any money to anyone just bcoz i believe in it. Its a hobby and i will continue to pursue it as long as it makes sense. By the way, astrology is not the only thing I pursue in life. So, please don't worry about me. I'll do well with god's grace, and wish u good luck too.