I think it's already been said, but I'll say it again.
There's no such thing as "women". There are people. Some of them are male, some of them are female. Some of them are mature, some of them are immature. Some of them are emotionally developed, some aren't. Some of them have psychological issues, some are content & stable. Some are selfish, some are caring. That's all that exists, and so, it exists for both guys and girls.
In the U.S., are girls "worth it"? To girls, of course! What girl looks at herself in the mirror and thinks "I'm totally not worth it"? Okay, that's a trick question. Every girl does that. But I mean, what girls looks at a guy and tell him "I'm totally not worth it"? No girl I know.
Something that's "worth it", means that the benefits exceed the costs. If that's not the case, then something isn't worth it. Our whole economy runs on this theory. If the cost of your effort was more than the benefits, you'd sit there doing nothing. Why? Because it wouldn't be worth it for you to do anything. But if the costs of your effort are less than the benefits your effort will bring you; then it's "worth" doing something.
A lot of girls grow up thinking, for whatever reasons, that for as long as they look pretty, they're going to find a guy, who upon looking at her, will want to be with her for some reason, and not just for sex, but for some deeper emotional reason; just from looking at her. And all she has to do is do nothing. He'll just do everything. Why? Because she's worth it! Why? Nobody knows.
But just like not all guys are bad people, not all girls are bad people either. Stuff like what the guy does for a living, and things that girls want, are never going to change; any sooner than guys start fighting over who gets to flaunt the fact that Ugly Betty is their girlfriend because she has such an amazing personality. But the same way there are guys who want that "and" other things, or, "in addition" to that, want X, Y & Z; there are also girls who can appreciate and love a man as a person, as a human being, as a partner through life, and as a team-mate who both helps her and whom she helps go through this world together with; rather than taking it all on alone by yourself.
And I think when you find someone like that, then that person "is" worth it. But someone that's really "worth it", doesn't wait for you to "prove" yourself to him or her. If someone is worth it, that means they also value you too. And if they value you too, then everything in the relationship, starting from total strangers to the day one of both of you passes away, is done in proportion and as evenly & fairly as possible. Because if a girl you're with is worth it to you, that means you're also worth it to her! And if she puts in the same effort towards a guy that's "worth it" and one that isn't; then you know you haven't found the girl you're looking for yet.
Well if you run to the hills you will have to constantly be fighting aggressive male mountain goats for territory. If you go to a monastery you might have to always deal with that one guy who isn't accepting celibacy well and wants to spoon every night. And if you blind yourself you will be hearing "Hey dude did you see that new...Oh sorry, I forgot" all the time. And "etc" is just never a good option. It should be avoided at all costs.
Some women are way not worth the effort. Pretty much anyone on the My Super Sweet 16 show for starters. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say at least 90% aren't. Some are just selfish, narrow-minded, unfaithful, narcissistic, children more focused on the color of their lip-gloss then on the needs of any other person and are more diluted with their own self described "cuteness", which is just spoiled brat like behavior, than anything else. They will make you beg for sex, wish you were deaf so you don't have to hear them nagging, and probably drain at least half your income.
And some women are so worth every ounce of effort. They make you feel loved, respected, cared for, accepted, and even adored sometimes. But there is a reason why men who find them say they are lucky. Cause the majority of women are not like that. They are as rare as a blind monk living off berries and goat jerky up in the hills.
We are definitely more trouble than we are worth, but if we're lucky, we will find a guy that sticks by our side and eventually causes us to be less of a bitch and more appreciative. I don't care how sweet of a woman you can be, you have a bitchy side. This doesn't mean that you've changed for someone, it just means that every once in a while, you meet a guy that you can actually be yourself around. When that happens, you become less high maintenance and more focused on just being with him than you do with your appearance or the stick shoved up your ass. I'm a hard woman to handle, and I know that, but I also know the only guy worth it to me is the one who's going to stick around because he knows I might just be worth the trouble. Good question. Just find the right girl. Only you can decide if she's worth it.
If the best argument is 'we're not a walk in the park either', then that should answer your question. Women are a LOT more trouble than they're worth. You give and give to a woman, and they'd rather be spit on, beaten, or treated awful by the dude who looks good in a leather jacket or looks p*ssed all the time. Why? Because women are gluttons for punishment. I've met few women with strong self esteem. It's sad, but true. I tell a woman they're pretty and 11 guys stop and go, "DUDE! Don't say that to her. You'll never get a girl doing that." And guess what? They're right. Women want a guy who can protect them. That's all well and good but a DOG can serve the same purpose. Why not try being partners in a relationship, working together to raise a family and support each other? Or just find the cutest guy, let him knock you up, and then find out he's ill tempered, narcisistic, and sleeps with other women. And then act ignorant to the whole thing and tell everyone within ear shot that your world is coming to an end.
Guys are pretty straightfoward. If you ask us nicely, we'll tell you what's going on. If you confront us on anything, whether it's true or not, don't expect an honest answer. Why should we tell you anything when you act all demanding and stuff? Women should be thankful for good guys out there, instead of trying to manipulate them, and cause them pain. Divorce is high in this country and so is spouse abuse and domestic assaults. Why? Because for every 1 girl that's sweet, kind, and strong willed... you have 10 that are posers who act all strong and nice, and turn out to be weak, feeble little girls who think they deserve it when a dude hits them in the face.
And you can respond however you want. Be defensive and attack me or whatever, but ALL of you know that there's at the very least.. a shread of truth to what I've written. Peace.
At first when I read that I thought it said, "so damn appalling."
Lets face it, men do 99% of the work in courtship. The relationship is all the mans job. The woman just gets dressed up and pretty.
It's the mans job to lead, to decide where to go, and to pay.
Its the mans job to control the conversation, to be witty, funny, and dominant.
Lets face it, most men will accept a woman as long as she's pretty... she can just sit there and go.. "duh?"
Some of them do.
Eventually men who date a lot of women begin to realize that women are just PEOPLE they have their own problems and men begin to wonder "why am I doing all this work?, I mean she's no better than that stranger I met who was laying down on the side of the road, asking me for spare change."
So we begin to think... "am I doing this simply because she's got a uterus?"
Then we get into a relationship, which means exclusivity, which unfortunately goes against mans nature to want to sleep with multiple women.
And then most men deal with womens "im not in the mood, or not right now, and... I have a headache."
And then we wonder "why in the world am I being exclusive again?"
Then we get married...which unfortunately most of the time ends in divorce.
And lets say you live in California, where even if the woman cheats on the man, and the man remains faithful, she still gets half of his money.
Sound fun?
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Most of the guys on this thread need to go back to r/incels. To say that ALL women are more trouble than they're worth is beyond ignorant, and it works both ways. Both men and women can be equally insufferable. News flash: we are all human, which means we are all also fallible and do stupid shit. If a woman is more trouble than they are worth, find someone else! Some people are worse than others. Guess what; some guys are also way more trouble than they are worth (and to say that this is NOT true is an invalid argument. It's the truth, and denying it is a nice big neon sign of arrogance and overconfidence.)
One of the most ironic things I've seen in this thread is some guys complaining about how women are whores, but also that the worst part about being in a relationship is the fact that we can't sleep with multiple women.
So uhm.. wanna remind me who's the whore again?
And before anyone says "wElL aLl WoMeN ARE wHoReS, yOu ObViOuSlY haven't bEeN wItH aNy!!1!11!!"
No. I've been cheated on, and left for others. I've experienced being with several women who were more trouble than they were worth. I did something called moving on, letting go, and finding someone new. And I'm with someone who makes me happy and actually treats me properly.
Another thing I see a lot of here is the argument that women don't compromise. Uh, have you ever been outside? So how do they have friends? How do they maintain relationships? Yeh, some women don't compromise. Some men don't either. That's just a fact. Find one that does, they aren't some rare fucking gem you can't find.
Here's the bottom line: If you keep having issues with women, where they always cheat, won't listen, won't give you a chance, who won't compromise, one of two things is happening; you have shitty taste in women, or YOU are the insufferable, arrogant, pile of shit who can't compromise and can't settle. If you just want to fuck women, go on tinder. If you want an actual relationship, settle the fuck down, and look for someone who shares your interests and archetypes. Quit with this "nIcE gUyS aLwAyS lOsE" bullshit and grow up. Stop trying to be a victim.
I agree with von on the maturity thing. I also have to say that typically , lets be honest, the more attractive they are the more full of themselves they usually are. This rule doesn't apply to all of us but the ones that follow the mass appeal and dress themselves to someone elses standards. I've also known some less attractive ones to be this way but usually in their case its a question of insecurity. For the girls with the 5000$ purses a lot of them were raised on a princess" mentality and can be as brutal as the queen of hearts. The reason they are "so damned appealing" is because they're usually spoiled brats so their looks and ego will win them into anything they want and they know it. These types will parade around to draw you in and then you become their caretaker. I've seen all too many guys fall to this and they become that worn out dad of 3 while their trophy wife secretly meets up with younger men on craigslist and dads babysitting as she's gone out for "groceries" Stick to the girls next door, they're out there, and they have some flaws, but its a lesser risk factor. Good luck! and above all else
A dog in a cutesy dress and shoes is still JUST A DOG.
First, I apologize if my English is not so good.
I was raised by a mother who was extremely overprotected, and mentally unhealthy. As a result of not developing my life normally, I became too shy, very anxious, and had constant mental fogginess. I also struggle to develop even basic adult skills ( not for lack of trying ). As a result, I am judge as immature by people sometimes without much basis to what that immaturity means other than the fact that I am struggling to get a driver's license in a country that is not my native one. Dating for me is a near impossibility because it is very traumatic ( but according to society, for being a man, I should be able to deal with it ). And here I am, often women will display body language of attraction towards me, but by the moment they meet me, and those issues come to light, they see it as a red flag and move away. I spent years trying to improve, but the effort was also taking away part of who I am as well as worsening my mental health and yet leading me nowhere but to more traumas, so I decided to just focus on taking care of myself and give my life the worth I feel I deserve because nobody else will.
Now I ask, does that classifies me as an unworthy man simply because I am not what people expect?
As I was reading everybody's opinion, I may add my point of view about it.
Both men and women do not understand each other well and we behave according to our own instincts in a social structure that dictates our roles in such ways that just worsen our mutual understanding.
Taking that into account, we often judge each other blindly, but in the end, we all have a story and reasons to be who we are. I used to be very frustrated, but I do also realize that everyone has their own struggles in life, there is also our own inability to have conscious effort towards controlling animal instincts that are not really needed in modern society, adding to all that, there is the fact that huge majority of humans around us are constantly taking advantage of each other and there you have it. I only mentioned part of my story. I believe that the girl giving people a hard time is worth it because she has a story that is reflecting in her behavior, and who knows what her story is to judge her worth. It is not up to me to hate or judge. We may give our opinions, but in the end, these are only opinions and nothing else.
This is an intriguing question.
Some ladies are great to be around and they respect you. Others want anything they can't have. Some are so insecure that they have to manipulate Facebook to see what other ladies he might be talking to. Some are on a biological clock and let that dictate their judgements. Some always feel that they deserved better. Some have great personalities, while others are boring and dual.
In a sense, I think it works with both genders, however, women seem to have to make excitement in their lives by judging other people. "Oh sh!t, why didn't that bitch say hello to me?!?" A lot of women seem to start problems if their lives aren't as exciting as they once dreamed.
Most women draw conclusions based upon fabricated assumptions, that have nothing to do with anything. There's simply no reason for it.
Some women also have the worst attitudes, and they don't deserve a good guy. Then the girls with bad attitudes complain and say there are no good guys left. lol
Many women listen to what their friends say too much. If a guy is a good guy, but her friends don't approve of you, that means that you don't have a chance?...that could have been the girls' chance to finally meet a good guy, but her own friends ruined it.
Some friends of girls, get jealous. They'll find anything negative about a specific guy in order to steer their friend in another direction.
Most women let the media dictate what they wear, the way they act and the views that they have. There are many independent ones out there, who can think for themselves, but some of them want to blame everyone else for their misfortunes.
In the end, it works both ways...gender wise. I'm interested to see what women have to say about men.
Problem is with women is this: They do not understand the idea of meeting you halfway. A relationship has gotta be 50/50 or at least close...
But this rarely happens. Women usually sit back and let the guy do that vast majority of the work. That's the problem. He has to approach, ask out, pay for the date, and keep her interested. She simply does not do enough to put into the relationship what the man put in
That's why I don't bother and no, women are not worth the trouble. You look at a hot girl and see sex and a good time, but in reality you will become a slave
Some girls are indeed not worth all the trouble. I may be a girl myself but you don't have to be in a relationship with one to know they can be awful. I know I can be, sometimes ^^
The two things that are the reason why some girls awesome in general with the occasional rough moment, and why other girls are just completely impossible (and not worth your time), are:
1: Having the ability to self-reflect:
- Know that you can be a pain in the ass.
- Know when you are a pain in the ass.
- Know that your actions have consequences.
2: Having a good heart:
- Apologize once your bad mood is over.
- Be willing to make some small changes to prevent nasty situations from originating over and over again.
- Give the guy some credit for sticking with you despite everything.
But I can see where this might be hard for some people since it requires brains and having a nice personality.
Guys ftw!
PS: Btw: blinding yourself, really? That would be robbing yourself of one of the better things being with a woman will give you :O
I would say in most cases yes, because there isn't any consistency of thought and behaviour in women that a guy can refer to to understand them as best he can and avoid hassle or the benefits of the relationships and situation outweigh the drawbacks, you hear people act as if there is 'methods' and patterns and even write about signals and signs to spot to help you but you have to be a near 'oracle' to spot them in spontaneous 'real time' not idly sitting and listening to someone tell you "Oh it's like this silly" or reading something on your own and not having the opportunity to put it into practice straight away or being able to remember it enough so it is of no help at all. So all that takes is 'extra effort' on top of the effort that was already made and it's no wonder that guys give up, as we simply don't have the capacity to keep investing in fruitless experiences. A guy can control or at least have some sort of target or goal with so many aspects of his life or can just achieve, have many things through little to no effort. Women are the exception to this and so he gets tired quickly or has to prioritise because he can't balance both the women and everything else and still have reasonable Mental Health. Getting into a relationship with a guy isn't a difficult for a women to achieve so she can do all the other aspects freely without the extra worry and still have reasonable mental health. So in contemporary society with roles more diluted than they were before the scales are tips in favour of women so the only way for a guy to help himself is to cut people out or not expel energy where there is no benefits for him.
Only a jaded person incapable of having a healthy relationship would write something like this. First of all, there's no such thing as some generic category of women. They are all different and deserve to be treated as individuals, not some heartless one-dimensional group. Secondly, men are no picnic either, both sexes have their intrinsic challenges. To suggest that it isn't worth it to know either group is plain nonsensical. Both men and women have struggles with one another and you have more to bargain with when it boils down to some more than others. I fail to see how this is a group problem or something to be avoided.
First a lot of them only like a small segment of men if they like them at all. They’re way too entitled these days. They have now equaled men in cheating. They’re standards are unrealistic and society doesn’t call them on their BS, and in fact APPLAUDS them for it. There’s no accountability and they’re running rough shod with impunity, sans moral fiber, responsibility or remorse. And before anyone responds that I’m a basement dwelling incel or whatever, I’m not. I’m very successful and have had plenty of success with women in the real world from well known actresses to school teachers. I also work among them often. I’m speaking wholly from experience and astute observation. From a time before cell phones and social media until now. Also I work in a field that is dominated by youth so I’m atypical for my age and can’t relate that well with most in my age group because my career requires me to stay on top of trends. So I have a wealth of perspective. The world has made it nearly impossible to want to engage at this point because there are just too many land mines. #metoo divorce laws, infidelity, home abortions, paternity fraud. It’s all good when men’s income is being systematically siphoned from them but Adele has to pay up? OMG that’s not fair. Equality is only fair when it benefits you? Hmm ok. Very few women will look at their own hypocrisy or call others out because they think everything they do and say is right (which is IMPOSSIBLE and because no one refutes it for fear of being censored, shamed and labeled misogynistic) also because it doesn’t benefit them, and even if they don’t speak out they still receive residual benefits. Women complain both that men are toxic and also complain there are no good men. Which is it? They’re all trying to be Marie Antoinette, having their cake and eating it too. However the downside of that is slowly rearing it’s ugly head. All I can say is remember... YOU WANTED THIS...
There are many things I feel are more trouble than they are worth. Certain family members, certain friends, certain jobs, certain websites lol. But in the end I'm drawn back to the things that have the potential to cause the most pain - whether it be men, friends, or life - because I'm either a glutton for punishment or incredibly stupid.
Seriously, women may be a lot of trouble, but the result of finding the exact right one for you could negate everything you went through in the past. Because when it's right, it's the rightest it can ever be.
wow... simply wow... women are among the greatest of God's creations. They can inpire men to acheive greatness, or to simply straighten up their act, they are mothers, daughters, lovers, gf's, wives, grandmothers/matriarchs... Yes, some are worthless skanks who need to quit their mess, but we musn't judge em all with such a broad stroke. Same way with men, but since this is a q abt women, we'll stay there. Asking a question like this makes you seem bitter and jaded. I hope you aren't- yes the dating game is rough, just plain brutal at times. Also, it doesn't get any easier with time. But women are worth the trouble. They just are.
"I'm selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best."
— Marilyn Monroe
A sex symbol and also a very insightful woman. You don't deserve a good woman.
I don't think woman and men are really that different we have the same kind of different personality's on both sides, I think it's all about finding that right person for you. When ever someone keeps asking me why am I still single, I simply say because I haven't found any one worth the trouble of a relationship yet.
Well, we might be a lot of trouble. Ones like me who date older guys and it causes problems. But imagine no woman the world? Girls are great at alot, and who else would boost up your ego? Make you smile? Hug you on a bad day? really, we do alot. And even though we cause a lot of problams. It goes both ways..
Probably yes, looking at it from a man's point of view...But I am a woman so I think I'm worth all the hassle. =PPP
Yes, they are. They end up tying you down, crushing your dreams and aspirations you had for your life because you feel the need to give them what they want and what they think will make them happy…and they both let and encourage you to do so. Even then, it's still not good enough.
Bitter? No, not really. Talking from personal experience.
well some are man. some are trash that I would have anything to do with and others are good intelligent respectable people.
People (men or women) are only worth the effort they put into a relationshp and the problems they attempt to detract from the relationship. If they put in a lot of effort and show that they love you and care anout you and willing to be with you through the worst of times they're worth the effort. However if they just bring problems to the relationship, complain about the problems they cause and you find yourself happier without them in your life then they are not worth it.
please go to a monastery...trust me when I say no woman would miss you :)
...I don't like being around women, honestly. They frighten me.
In any case, if you just want to continue your line, you may as well donate to a sperm bank. And blowup dolls can contribute to solving any other problems.
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