Women View Men Exactly the Way Men View Women

[ADFSDF1996]

First let me say that I know everyone is different. Everything I write here is based on personal experience and other opinions I got in my questions like this:

https://www.girlsaskguys.com/girls-behavior/q1986777-are-women-as-visual-as-men

I don't speak for all men and I am not saying all women behave a certain way. Keep in mind that this is my first myTake. To clarify things, I am straight (Heterosexual).

I know the type of attraction isn't restricted to a certain gender. Most of us have heard people say that "Men are visual creatures" implying that women don't find men attractive in the same way. The media and society wants us to think that men are easily sexually aroused just by the sight of a attractive woman. Society and media also wants us to think women only care about a man's personality and what he can do(how strong he is, how many skills he has etc). Personally I disagree with society on this part.

Don't get me wrong, there are days I wonder if women actually look at us men like we look at women, but eventually after analyzing the behavior of women I know and asking questions here, I am more convinced that women do check us out. You are probably laughing at me and thinking "You wish". There is a catch though.

Most of the women that replied to my questions said that while they do check men out, they do it subtly. Women know when is the right time to check a man out. Here is were society comes into play, society still shuns women who actually ogle men. Society labels them rude names.

On the other hand not every man ogles women. Men like myself actually care for both a emotional connection and physical attraction in a woman. It's like this, a type of smoothie isn't a smoothie if you omit the milk or another ingredient. Same goes for when it comes to attraction to a woman, if I only find the woman physically attractive but abhor her personality, there is no way that I will consider dating her.

Same goes the other way around, I might think she is a very polite woman but if I don't find her physically attractive I still won't date her, because just like the smoothie she is missing one of the components/ingredients. From most of the opinions I got(I know they don't speak for every woman, I am just going by the majority) Women tend to feel the same, that they need like his personality, feel emotionally attached to him and obviously find him physically attractive to consider dating him.

More proof that women can be visual(personal experiences and opinions from women on my questions) is the occasions when a man that is considered physically attractive is present in front of women, all the women tend to start whispering to each other "Oh my gosh, he is so hot!" and they start talking about kinky things the women want to do to the man.

While a lot men tend to look at the breasts and buttocks of a woman(I prefer the female abdomen and navel) at least in this society, Women also look at certain body parts of a man(mostly arms, abdomen and buttocks) also a social experiment was done to determine if women also checked out a man's body, the experiment(which many of you might have seen) involved a man wearing a crotch cam and a fake erection. The camera caught various women constantly glancing at the man's crotch and some even smiled. So that's further proof that women can be just as visual as men.

Here is what I've noticed when I hang out with my friends(males), I notice that whenever a good looking woman walks by, they will simply look at her and whisper to me and each other, "wow, she is hot!." I admit I look at her, but I only glance at her, I don't stare. After that they will stop looking at her and we resume whatever conversation we were having.

A lot of people think that men get sexually aroused by women in bikinis. That might be the case for some men, but not all men, a lot of men simply find her aesthetically attractive and sexually attractive(two different kinds of attraction) Yes you can be sexually attracted to someone and not be sexually aroused. As I've mentioned in my question(link above), if I see a woman in a bikini, I won't get sexually aroused. I will still find her aesthetically and sexually attractive though but as I've said, that doesn't mean I am sexually aroused by the woman.

A hot woman in a bikini whether it's a picture of her or if she's standing in front of me, isn't enough to sexually arouse me. In order for me to be sexually aroused I need to have kinky thoughts in my head(thinking about erotic things she can do to me etc). That's simply sexual arousal(Body is ready for sexual activity), but in order for me to consider sex I have know the woman personally(if the woman is my girlfriend) since we would have a emotional connection, but I would let her initiate the sexual activity.

A lot women assume only men can be perverted creeps. The truth is both women and men can be perverted creeps. As I mentioned in one my questions, one day when I was 12 years old, I was at a local park. I was having fun in the playground but eventually a group of young women who looked like they were at least 18 years old came up to me and told me I was "hot" and that they wanted to have sex with me.

I was only 12 years old so I didn't exactly know what sex was. I didn't even know women had genitals. My parents never gave me the "sex talk". I walked away from away from them as they continued to stalk me around the park until I got close to where my parents were. That's a day I'll never forget. So yes women can be creeps as well.

So that wraps up this myTake, the point I am trying to get across is that men and women can have the same kind of attraction to each other. In other words a lot of women view men just the way a lot of men view women. So when a woman calls a man hot, it means the same thing when a man calls a woman hot. It's just that a lot of people follow societal norms, not me though. You see the good thing about our society is that we have freedom to be ourselves even if it goes against societal norms as long as we don't hurt anyone, so I am not afraid to be different than everyone and I am proud to be different, besides I am not hurting anyone or anything. So don't be afraid to not follow societal norms.

[Anonymous]

I like this take! Firstly I agree, a lot of women are also into looks etc. They must get horny right? I've had females in social circle who have bf's even suddenly go, you look good after I've worked out! And she's single now, so maybe I should pursue that?

I think good decent men will also look to see if a 'hot' girl also is nice. In that case, she is truly hot. If not, if she's flaky, ignores texts, doesn't initiate, thinks she's all that, 'plays hard to get', unless she's reciprocating, she's no more than a 3 or 4 out of 10 then.

Truly hot women should be beautiful inside and out. You might say, yeah i'd bang, but you'd only go through if she was a decent person. It's way hotter to have sex with someone who is fit and into you. Otherwise, the bitch who thinks she's hot but really isn't that much, you'd rather bang a pornstar who'd actually give you a better experience.

Can u check out my take pls? www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a27854-woman-hears-the-exact-same-thing-from-two-guys-but-she-reacts

I wonder if women let some people get away with things? Would appreciate your thoughts

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks, so you agree? Also pls can you post your thoughts on my take

[Stacyzee]

I will admire a nice looking man. However, to achieve sexual arousal like most men can attain by looking at a beautiful or sexy woman, I need to know him personally. If his personality matches his looks then I will find myself wanting him in that way. Most men just need a hot looking woman and they have a woody.
I've never gotten wet in my panties by just staring. Women in general need more mind stimulation.

[ADFSDF1996]

Little by little I am starting to understand women more, thanks. The one thing that I still wonder though is if when a woman thinks a man has a nice face, does it mean the same as to when a man thinks a woman has a nice face?

[mystintri]

By far the most "generally" accurate opinion. Also, girls check out guys in.00483 seconds. If they like you, they'll give you approach invitations.

[Oram52]

ONS beg to differ. Even research proving when it comes to ONS looks matter, they matter of course LTR too but accompanied with personality. Simple evidence is Tinder, make two accounts. One with normal pics, 2nd with male model. Its been done guess what were the results. While you maybe right and many girls may agree with you. But it oversimplifies it that looks don't matter, or women don't put as much emphacize on looks as men. Like many answers by girls have conveyed. Only time looks will be negated if he is rich or has power/stutus/influence. Of course this isn't always true girls can go for less attractive guys too, but they are exception not a norm.

[Stacyzee]

I didn't say women don't place as much into looks as men , I simply stated the way in which we get aroused is completely different.

[ADFSDF1996]

Maybe arousal is different for women, but about physical attraction? For example if a straight man like myself finds a woman attractive because of her facial structure and features is it the same if a woman finds a man "attractive" because of his facial structure and features or does a woman only view men as a piece of art, like how a straight man views another man.

[howardque]

Nicely put. Though I don't think most good men, would just look at a woman, and get aroused and definitely bang her. It's a case of if her personality matches up - she has to be really nice, polite, kind and actually be interested in you back, that you'd definitely want to be intimate and be extremely wild with her. In terms of thinking about it, to actually going through with it, the person has to be someone you feel a connection with in my opinion. If someone is rude, flaky, ignores texts, or isn't that considerate, that woman isn't hot, she'd be no more than a 4. A lot of viewing people in public can have the herd effect in any case. If you put your drooling tongue back in your mouth and really look closely at individual women, then most aren't actually that hot from your point of view. Then suddenly you'll see one you really think is pretty. And if she matches in terms of personality, that's a winner right?

[BlastGrass]

@ADFSDF1996 You asked about whether we see a man's face as a painting or can get aroused, right? For me, I can appreciate all faces like paintings, but certain features and traits turn me on, like certain eyebrow shapes, or certain lips. They might not be handsome at all lol, but if they have those special traits I might think twice xD For instance, the dude who plays Captain America is very handsome, I can tell, but it doesn't do anything for me. Maybe it's because his character is bland? Or I don't know him in real life? Hm. I'm weird though so who knows xD But of course it also matters on their personality! If they seem like douchebags, any attraction to them from checking them out will be gone. For me, if someone looks average, or less than average, but has personalities that I like, I can like them.

[ADFSDF1996]

@BlastGrass Yes but do you think that when a woman looks at man's face and thinks he has a nice face, it's the same when us guys look at certain women and think they have nice faces?

[BlastGrass]

@ADFSDF1996 Yeah, I think so! I have many male friends I'm close to, and I think it's the same for us.

[ADFSDF1996]

@BlastGrass Interesting, thanks for sharing your opinion.

[kat_gran]

Very nice mytake; Very true!
Definitely women do view men the same way men view women - at least the basic level.

Then social norms (+ culture) play a role into how those views are distorted. But nice mytake... Good that you point it out so that men/woman can see that we are actually not so different at all or as some make it out to be :)

[ADFSDF1996]

Thank you

[GorillovePotato]

I actually agree with this completely (i think only an extreme feminist would disagree entirely) there are many men I find attractive, but their personalities are absolutely boring and I'd never consider dating them just for their looks. There is also one really good friend of mine who I simply don't find attractive, I tried dating him a week, and of course it just didn't last.

But then there's women like my best friend who can find a man totally ugly, but if he has a good personality and treats her right, she'll date him (she told me her ex was ugly before she started really getting to know him, then she began finding him attractive.)

As for me, I do ogle men, if a hot guy walks by i will stare, not to be a creep but because I genuinely enjoy looking at his features (like a beautiful painting or sculpture), but I've also got a very artistic mind, so I'm told maybe that's one of the reasons why I stare (I check out women too despite not being bisexual).

Good first my take :)

[ADFSDF1996]

Thank you, for me though when it comes to checking out a woman, I first check out her face. In my opinion her facial features/structure is more important than her body.

[SuitAndTie]

What makes a guys personality boring to you?

[GorillovePotato]

@SuitAndTie There was one guy I was once set up on a blind date with, and I never wanted anything to do with him romantically again after because he was a major bore. He talked about himself too much, didn't ask me any questions, had no enthusiasm, and even when I tried being positive and upbeat he somehow managed to make me feel like it was absolutely for nothing. He was the type of guy who would go on a date and only be interested in himself, and yet he didn't come off cocky, just very very boring. Even when talking about himself he made it seem like he didn't want to be there. I know we just weren't right for each other but eventually he'll find some girl who enjoys listening to his hunting stories and how good he is at sports. For me, however, I need an outgoing guy who can make me laugh and make me feel at ease, someone who will look me in the eyes and smile, someone who's easy to talk to.

[becca123]

The only real thing I question is the results of the "study" regarding the fake erection. It doesn't matter what he looks like, if a man is walking around sporting a woody, the eye goes right to it. Sort of like if someone has a hairy mole the size of a grapefruit on their face; you can't help but look. Means nothing regarding attraction, it's just unusual to see.

[ADFSDF1996]

Yes that could be the case. Now speaking about attraction, I will be honest with you. After reading all the opinions on my newer questions, I still occasionally wonder if women even find men physically attractive. When I find a woman physically attractive, I don't get sexually aroused by looking at her. I simply think she is beautiful. I get the feeling that women don't think the same about men and that women only look at us guys like us straight guys look at other guys only in a artistic point of view.

[becca123]

Oh we definitely find men beautiful. Both genders tend to look at the body parts that nature made "serviceable. " For instance, in women most man appreciates a fit body, fuller breasts and booty, feminine hips, pretty clear complexion, thick hair. He doesn't even realize he is going on instinct, that this woman is a good, healthy choice to bear his children. Note I said MOST appreciate these things. Most women tend to look for things, unknowingly, that equal protection. Broad shoulders, fit body, height, deep voice. Again, we don't even realize why, we just like it. Now that we are attracted, the difference is that women can be more subtle in glances and actions. Men are... well... Sort of gawkers, no offense. It is quite apparent when a sexy woman walks into a crowd of men; they just can't help it. Women will be more internal with attraction. Sure, we can be dogs too, but usually we can look, appreciate, and go on about our business. We are multitaskers, lol!

[ADFSDF1996]

That is a good explanation, but I just don't find anything attractive in a man. I see a attractive woman's face and I think she is beautiful. Now I look at any man's face and I feel repulsed by it. I don't know why.

[becca123]

Because nature hard wired you to be rigidly heterosexual. It's perfectly normal. Straight women are a bit more flexible in that we can see and admire beautiful women without wanting anything physical with them.

[ADFSDF1996]

Yes that could be the case. Thanks for your opinion.

[xoxopinkie]

I agree with this! At my college, we are about 90% girls... the boys are rare.. so... that's where the interesting part begins: we, girls, gather sometimes to chit chat and when we see some guy looks pretty that day, or he's looking hot even... we begin to talk about him :) in a good way :D
Being a psychology college, sometimes, if we pass by them and if we're friends with them , we even tell them ''hey! Nice suit today!/ you look good today!'' :)
The sad part is... they are a few, and we are too many... so... we'll probably never know if they talk about us too.

[ADFSDF1996]

For me when I glance at a woman to check her out, I first look at her face to see if she is good looking.

[phil2]

Eye candy is eye candy. Everyone looks.

[lumos]

Not even close since you're completely disregarding societal standards, norms and the much more rampant sexual objectification of women. We certainly do NOT view men the same due to these factors, not even subconsciously since they're so deeply ingrained.

[ADFSDF1996]

Well I did mention how societal norms make a lot of people behave differently. If you don't view men the same way, then how do you actually view men?

[anonman32]

you think there is no sexual objectification of men in society?

[Oram52]

How do you view these factors then?

[anonman32]

@Oram52 what factors?

[Oram52]

@anonman32 "We certainly do NOT view men the same due to these factors"

[anonman32]

@Oram52 sure

[lumos]

@anonman32 no. I said that female sexual objectification is much more rampant than male sexual objectification.

[anonman32]

i think male objectification in society is simply more accepted therefore we dont pay as much attention to it as to female objectification.

[lumos]

@anonman32 hah. No. How many times have you seen guys covered in milk or whipped cream in ads? Sucking a banana, or a couple of melons?

[Oram52]

One there is NO such thing as objectification. Its INNATE. Its subconcious. Survival of our species depends on it. Secondly, no one gives much notice in return men being "objectified". Same goes for sexual harassment when it comes to men.

[anonman32]

i haven't seen women like that either

[Oram52]

Sex sells, it targets most primal parts of our brain. It is women in ads because it has affect on both men and women. Men drool and women want to be those girls in ads. Same scenario in real life, girls want attention and guys are the one pursuing girls.

[anonman32]

@Oram52 we just suck it up and we do care about it.

[Oram52]

Oh just to add there is no shortage of ads with male eye candy.

[hellionthesage]

Yeah thats completely false. Women objectify men thats just provable fact. Women are not inherint victims. Its actually laughable that you would suggest otherwise. Why do you think women are perfect? That women don't function like regular people? Its literally everywhere from this site to all forms of media where women are objectifying men. Or do you think george clooney, david becham etc are liked for their personalities?

[mistixs]

@anonman32 Nah, she's right. Studies consistently show that women are sexually objectified roughly 5 times more often than men. I did a rundown on the research here: uteropolis.tumblr.com/.../research-refuting-the-notion-that-men-are-sexually

Also, studies show that when men and women look at sexy ads depicting women and men in their underwear, their brains process the women as objects rather than people. In contrast, their brains process the scantily clad men as people.
www.livescience.com/...sexy-women-ads-objects.html

[lumos]

@hellionthesage where did I say that men are never objectified? @oram52 for every male eye candy, there's 1000 female eye candy. If you want sexual harassment on men to be more recognized, start campaigns and write about it. Make your own shelter for men or volunteer. You can't sit on your ass and complain about something without doing anything about it yourself and expecting others to make a difference.

[anonman32]

@mistixs sure "studies"

[anonman32]

male shelters have existed, but only they were being shutdown by feminists.

[lumos]

@anonman32 is that an excuse or?

[anonman32]

or women have much more social power and influence on politics than men. every year men are doing worse in school and every year more men end up in prison. therefore politicians are more inclined to cater to the interests of women. due to single parents children have a higher chance so more men end up in prison. the cycle never stops.

[lumos]

@anonman32 sure

[Oram52]

@lumos I am not complaining I stated it is natural, innate, nothing wrong with at all. Survival; of our species depends on it. Just explained above why its mostly women in ads. @mistixs Seriosuly have you read those studies you published, the methods used to conlude that? Brain scans confirm when men look at pictures of women only their physical part of the brain lights up. When women see mne's pictures both their emotional and physical parts light up. Still proving both men and women get aroused looking at opposite sex, its innate. Nature designed as such. Girls wearing tight dresses, revealing clothing why? My point being one gender likes getting attention hence the lack of men in ads. Men on the other hand chase girls hence why women in ads. Its changing rapidly though, as more and more men are being sexialized in ads. There is NO conscious input. In a split second we knows who's attractive. We view opposite sex as objects of desire, stark difference. Read above about Tinder.

[anonman32]

@Oram52 dude how can you see someone as a sex object, if you can only have sex with living organisms? anything else is masturbation.

[mistixs]

@anonman32 Women have higher influence on political decisions? You realize 80% of people in politics are white men, right?

[anonman32]

@mistixs but who do they cater to? it is votes that they want.

[Oram52]

@anonman32 Wahh, sexual object meaning lust. Desire. With or wothout any input from intellect or emotions. You know our deepest desires. Its not literal meaning. We inturn also have emotions which accompany it, hence we don't just brred like dogs, rape is abhorrent. Hence why we have concept of love. But that split second when we eye opposite sex, its primal instincts. ALl species have different means of these primal instincts. We just have instincts to sleep, eat, drink reproduce.

[anonman32]

@Oram52 without that sex impulse we would not be here.

[lumos]

I'm bored

[anonman32]

nobody cares

[lumos]

@anonman32 stop commenting then

[hellionthesage]

You stated that women do not view men the same way as men view women. That is a lie and provable. Every romantic movie ever. Perhaps you haven't seen the cover of every single romance novel ever written?(all written by women for women and consumed by women (also the most read genre)) The fact is all of that is bullshit, bias reporting that ignores men ignores how women treat men does not mean that women do not objectify men, it means we ignore it and play make believe that it doesn't happen. For instance when we you here people saying (usually feminist and women) that poverty has the face of a woman, its not because women are impoverished more then men its that we as a society completely ignore the 80% male homeless population. Same with objectification, when people go looking for a reason why women are victims they will find it and they will ignore how men are treated the exact same way. This is fact, provable and imperical.

[hellionthesage]

As for your statements about male harassment, it doesn't matter if no one takes it seriously. Do you realize the CDC study stated that only 1% of men are ever raped? The interesting part is that tucked away in another part of the study under sexual assault was a phrase "forced to penetrate" ie female on male rape, including this males where actually as likely to be raped by women as women where men yet even in the study they refused to acknowledge this fact. https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
So it doesn't matter if women refuse to acknowledge their actions. Men are objectified and we see it in all media: www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...ed-more-than-women.html
and what makes it worse is women making excuses for why its different why its okay when they objectify but horribly bad when men do the same exact thing: elitedaily.com/.../

[hellionthesage]

The fact is it happens, just as much, but no one cares so you can get away with it. that doesn't mean its not happening, that its right, only that your going to get away with it.

[lumos]

@hellionthesage write a mytake about it

[mistixs]

@hellionthesage Actually continuous studies show that men are NOT objectified even 1/5 as often as women are.

You say that it's provable that men are objectified as often as women?
Then here:
https://scholar.google.com/
Find me a single study that shows that. Because I've looked & found nothing providing evidence that men are objectified as often as women.

Men have their own issues; start talking about those instead, and stop trying to derail ours.

Also: "You stated that women do not view men the same way as men view women. That is a lie and provable. Every romantic movie ever.
Romantic movies actually provide evidence for her claim that women don't ciew men the same as men view women. Romantic movies are vastly different from the pornographic videos that men prefer.

[mistixs]

@hellionthesage Also don't use that Telegraph article as proof, they provided absolutely no studies as evidence. I provided a link before to a bucketload of studies that prove that women are objectified more than men (roughly 5x).

[lumos]

@mistixs thanks for having the energy to deal with this :D clearly I don't.

[hellionthesage]

Why? So no one will read it? Study after study shows what I am saying as true, hell they even did studies that show that even as infants female babies get more attention then male ones. The fact is no one cares and if you can't be bothered to care and if Mistix can't be bothered to care and the rest of society can't be bothered to care then why bother? The fact is men are objectified but no one cares, men are ignored but no one cares, men are losing in every single catagory yet no one cares. All we hear is about how bad women have it despite having nothing bad happen to them, in comparison to men. So why write a mytake on it? Will you suddenly start realizing that men are people too? That men are actually human beings instead of horrible monsters to be castigated at any and all opportunity for being men, for having a penis, for being alive? I find that unlikely.

[hellionthesage]

@mistixs First and foremost every study I have given you ignored so don't start acting like you care about evidence now. You are a sexist misandrist and I wish that word held half as much weight as misgonist does (yet another example of soceity not caring about men). Men are objectified by women, the article I gave was a long list of them hence me linking it. My article about rape also gave creedence to both my arguments in that women rape men at the same rates (which has elements of sexual objectification) and that the data was hidden attempting to hide mens issues. As I stated if you have bias data, like a feminist woman making a one sided sexist study then guess what? Your going to have a one sided sexist result. Thats is what the study you linked to was. Mens issues are the most ignored in all the world. They always have been but now more then ever. As I stated, if you ignore men and only focus on women of course its going to look like women have it worse.

[hellionthesage]

@mistixs As for romance, no, it does not show women are emotionally invested in men it shows that she views him as a tool. He is an object to her, a paycheck body guard. Every time they have the "love" triangle its her desires being acknowledged not the mans. Thats drama because women love drama (scientificly proven, I'd link you the article but you would ignore it because it would be inconvient for you) so any emotional aspect is only there to fullfill her fantasy of what amounts to the man being a willing slave. Also as for the romance novels: www.google.com/search
I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over your lies? I think you where saying men are not objectified? How about how women demand men be at least six feet tall? Or how every leading man seems to have a six pack and chiseled jaw line. Also ever heard of playgirl? https://jezebel. com/tag/thighlights
nymag.com/.../...-objectify-men-without-guilt.html
here's one where they make the claim that its okay when women are doing it

[hellionthesage]

@mistixs Or how about this one: https://nymag.com/tags/male-gaze/#
judgybitch.wordpress.com/tag/the-male-gaze/
Oh, but I guess those don't count do they? Because that would mean you would be wrong, that women do not hold a monopoly on victim hood *gasp*. But hey continue to ignore everything that proves you wrong, after all no one else (other then me) is going to call you out on it and we all know that if a woman is sexist towards men and treats them like shit then hey, its not like men are people anyway. I realize that since I don't have a vagina that I am not really a person but the least you could do is show men the same kind of concern you would an animal, at least try and develop that level of empathy. @lumos As my links point out plainly and bluntly men are objectified by women. Deal with it. If you just don't like men thats fine but don't lie about it and pretend like your a victim when your not, when everything shows you are not.

[hellionthesage]

@mistixs Oh and before I forget, the whole 80% of politicians being male actually has no relation to women not being represented. See women have an ingroup bias (the women are swell affect) men do not. Women do not choose to go into politics men do, so its not that women are not able to be in politics they simply don't want to, as is evident by the women who are in politics. As for representation, who can be legally conscripted (for all of history) and who cannot again? Oh right men, but women are perfectly safe. Who has reproductive rights and who does not? Again women have them, men do not. Who recieves more medical funding in both private and public sectors? Women. Who has laws that severly punishes crimes against that gender? women again.(violence against women act) Who is by law, required to be hired? Women. Who do schools cater to? Women. Who makes up the minority population of the homeless? women (20%). Who suffers the least? Women again. ie their interestes are represented.

[lumos]

@hellionthesage can you pm her instead?

[hellionthesage]

I wanted you to see my remarks. Just because you/she won't listen doesn't mean it didn't need to be said. However I am done, my point has been proven irregardless of your or her accepting it. So no need.

[mistixs]

@hellionthesage you give a few examples of men being objectified. That doesn't mean it happens as often to men as women. I can give you THOUSANDS of examples of men with breast cancer. Does that mean that men get breast cancer I'm equal numbers as women? No. Whatever OP seems like she's getting tired of notifications

[noneoftheabove]

@mistixs i always thought it was the norm than men are far worse than women. this take has surprised me a little bit. i do think men objectify women more

[CancerianMan81]

@hellionthesage your just basically wasting your time on @mistixs she's nothing but a no count every person she comes across she wants to argue with'em and think she knows it all when she doesn't

[CancerianMan81]

one thing I don't fucking like @mistixs is you fucking attitude towards everybody

[mistixs]

@CancerianMan81 ummm? I provided sources and evidences for my claim

[CancerianMan81]

@mistixs didn't seem that way with me the last time me and you debated and it seems your falling in the same category as you did the last time

[CancerianMan81]

not once but twice you are called out on your bullshit

[mistixs]

@CancerianMan81 It's funny you remember me but I don't even remember who you are lmao, what did we debate about?

[CancerianMan81]

@mistixs what it always comes down to feminists

[lumos]

@CancerianMan81 omfg did you really have to start spamming my opinion for that? Use the pm feature instead.

[CancerianMan81]

yeah i did I ain't afraid to admit it

[Jxpxtxr]

Of course women are just as visual as men.
The issue is just that it's more socially acceptable for men to be visual than it is for women.
If a man is like "I want a hot chick because you can't bang personality" everyone is like, "duh" but if a woman said "I want a hot dude because you can't bang personality.", she would be attacked for being "so shallow" in an instant.
So if you ask me many women just won't admit they're just as visual as guys because they're scared of judgment.

[howzit2015]

lol, when guys say "I want a hot chick and don't care about personality", people will attach him for being shallow all the time.

[somebodysaycheese]

There is truth to this. I truly don't believe men are ready to hear women keeping it a hundred most have never heard it.

[howzit2015]

attack* him

[Jxpxtxr]

@howzit2015 yeah but it's nothing compared to the shit women get.

[orphan]

i disagree w/ women being equally visually stimulated. i'd sum it up to women prefer words, and guys prefer pictures. the end.

[Jxpxtxr]

@orphan that might apply in the world of online dating where many men are porn addicts and many women unkissed virgins, irl however, if it's just about sex both genders are just equally visual.

[orphan]

once again i disagree. if it's just about sex, you'll have a lot more girls wanting to the read the book and watch the movie.

[howzit2015]

Whatever, I am a guy I have seen guys say "I want a hot woman", and they get bitched at for it.

[Jxpxtxr]

@orphan obviously you didn't quite understand what "sex" means?

[Vivaldi]

While I like skinny fat girls, they dont like me.

[19magic]

I check out men all the time, subtle of course and so easy in summer when sunlasses can be worn. Everyone's different of course and I can find a guy attractive and as soon as I find out he's taken, I generally don't find him attractive anymore just good looking.

[TayTay21]

Totally untrue for most girls. Most of us pay attention to how a guy acts, not how he looks. Guys can look good but be total douchebags, so girls learn early on that looks don't mean shit.

[advice_guy20]

Women can look good and be total douchebags, that doesn't make us think that looks dont mean shit to us guys. There is a flaw in your reasoning process here.

[TayTay21]

@advice_guy20 LOL there's a BIG flaw in your reasoning, dude: girls aren't guys. What you think of us has nothing to do with what what we think of guys. You'll figure that out when you start dating.

[KRIEL55]

So true! i dont know why some girls hide it. i mean yeah because its socially unacceptable blah blah blah but if i see a hot guy, i will definitely check him out and i dont care if he notices. and if im with a friend i'll say something along the lines of
"DAMMMMMMMMNN did you see that guy?" and then she'll check him out too.

[Vivaldi]

We unattractive guys also need to be checked out. Check us out please.

[Grungenoreos]

I never hide it but in my experience men objectify others MORE so then women. I know plenty of women that are completfly fine with their homely and kind of unnattractive men but I can't say the same for any women I know. I know plenty of men that are rude about a girl's looks. Even my father was reluctant about dating my Mom because of her looks. In the end her personality and figure won him over... After a time. We are not the same which is exactly why he is right though. We can't sit there and put a gender in a box, stereotyping them. Everyone is different, even amongst genders.

[KRIEL55]

@Grungenoreos well yeah i agree that men objectify others more that is true, im just saying that we definitely do it too i dont know why some guys genuinely believe we ONLY care about personality. and yeah we settle for decent looking guys more often then guys settle for decent looking girls. and oh wow no offence but your dad sounds extremely shallow. she had a nice personality and a nice figure but he still couldnt get over her not having a perfect face until much later. really now. i can settle for an alright looking guy but i would never settle for a guy who tries to belittle me like that and cares THAT much about looks.

[Vivaldi]

Men like skinny fat women while women don't like skinny fat men

[Grungenoreos]

Yeah I know... And I completely agree with everything you said @KRIEL55

[NJ_Casanova]

Way too Long to bother reading... but Men are more visual than women.. when it comes to mates. I know a lot of UGLY rich guys with younger pretty GFs. If women were as visual as men then their would be the same amount porn designed for women and Chippendale strip clubs. There are no strip clubs for women near me and there are 15 gentlemen's clubs with in 20 miles.

[partyboy45]

Many women on here say it's socially unacceptable for women to check men out. Its false, and if so, it's only women who are imposing those standards on each other. All men want the female gaze to fall upon them, it boosts our ego and makes us feel manlier. No man in 2016 would judge a woman for affirming his manliness

[TheDevilInside]

I knew this take was written by a guy.

Yes, women are also visual. But the visual aspect of a man is, say, 100% (let's use it as a standard, for the sake of understanding), the visual aspect of a woman is maybe 70%. So nowhere as highly visual as a man. Exceptions do occur, of course.

We do glance at body parts. We do glance at hot guys and talk about them when we're around our girls. We do imagine what those long fingers or fast moving tongue can do...
But here's the difference between a men and women:
1. We mostly do NOT masturbate to images of hot models. So we don't drool over them the way you guys drool over Candice swaptheoil or whoever that VS model is. Still images of six packed hunks don't do anything for most of us. Don't even get us aroused.
2. The unsolicited dick pics epidemy was grounded by the kind of beliefs you've stated above. And statistics say, women don't appreciate unsolicited dick pics. Whereas men mostly won't complain if they receive a pussy pic out of the blue by a random stranger. This totally proves my point that women are indeed visual, but not in the way men are.

We can't get aroused by looking at still pictures of single body parts detached from the body. In order to get us aroused, other senses has to be involved. And don't forget, the mind is the most important sexual organ, both in men and women, but more so in women because we can't get aroused simply by having a stare war with your dick.

[ADFSDF1996]

Well I did say a random hot chick in a bikini won't sexually arouse me. I said I have to use my imagination to get sexually aroused. I also said not everyone is the same.

[TheDevilInside]

A random hot guy sporting a six pack won't even get me going even if I used my imagination.

[TheDevilInside]

And you were talking about the majority of women when you generalise like in this take. That's the contrary of "not everyone is the same"

[ADFSDF1996]

The reason why I said the "majority of women" was because that's what I noticed from my personal experience, I made it clear in this mytake.

[TheDevilInside]

Yeah and I'm telling you what you've obseverd (through your male eyes, and obviously filtered by your male way of thinking), is not 100% true.

[TheDevilInside]

Oh and let me just add that there's a reason 50 shades of grey is popular whilst there is no such thing as the equivalent of playboy for women.

[ADFSDF1996]

So please tell me, what exactly do you see in a man? I remember when I discovered the possibility that women aren't visual, I became very depressed and furious. That's probably the reason why I haven't had a girlfriend yet. I just won't feel loved if all she likes about me is my personality and or what I do.

[TheDevilInside]

You mean see with my eyes only, or see with my mind as well?

[ADFSDF1996]

Let me make it easier to understand, what's your definition of a attractive man?

[TheDevilInside]

The whole package. Face, hair, body, style. Everything has to fit. Doesn't need to have six pack abs, he just needs to look all strong and manly. And not like a douchebag.

[ADFSDF1996]

Interesting, but do you believe it's the same kind of attraction when a man sees a good looking woman? For example I always check out a woman's face before the I check out her body (only glances) occasionally I only check out her face. I don't think men and women will ever understand each other.

[TheDevilInside]

But we can never get horny just by looking a man's butt. Or abs. Or chest. We need to look at the whole thing. And even then, he needs to do something or say something to get us good and going. Standing there still wouldn't do it.

[TheDevilInside]

Again, 50 shades of grey is insanely popular among women. Not "men's health".

[Grungenoreos]

It seems to me the writer has a healthy but not high libidio... Because damn does my Dad have a high sex drive... Its soooo awkward. In fact I dont even wanna know how he was like as teen. In fact lots of guys I know have a high sex drive where it doesn't take much for them to get... Well horny and aroused. Awkward af when you are around.

[Grungenoreos]

Sex drive is another thing that comes into play. I think the reason why lots of people don't really give much thought into women objectifying men is because us women dont tend to have such a high sex drive in comparison to many men. I mean lots of women have a very high sex drive but many of us don't in comparison to men.

[TheDevilInside]

@Grungenoreos you might have a point. Asker, what she said could be the reason why I said what I said.

[ADFSDF1996]

I have no idea what 50 shades of grey is, I've heard about it but I don't know what it's about. Also for me I don't get "horny" by looking at the boobs, butt etc of a woman. I have to imagine kinky things in order for me to get aroused. I do think the woman is sexually attractive though but as I've said, you can be sexually attracted to someone and not be sexually aroused.

[TheDevilInside]

It's a series of erotic novels, honey. Millions of women go bananas over that garbage. But it goes to show that playing with a woman's mind is way more effective than showing her the visuals of a hot guy.

[ADFSDF1996]

A thing I forgot to mention in this mytake is that "fetishes/kinks" also play a major role in what causes a person to get sexually aroused. I am not sure if everyone has a fetish though.

[Grungenoreos]

Yeah exactly!

[mistixs]

It's not so much that women aren't "visual" but that most women need more of a context to it. Many women say that they won't be aroused by a dirty picture of a random stranger, but that they WILL be aroused by a dirty picture of someone they're in a relationship with. & Women DO care about looks; it's just usually not as important of a factor for men.

[BubbleBoy69]

There is actually an Instagram group with toms of female followers where a woman take pictures of men in public (without their consent) via sneaky cameras and post it up. Lots of women are commenting about men like pieces of meet.

But as usually these men are all tall, and handsome. [Sorry short guys]

[BubbleBoy69]

Why didn't you use this video by the way

https://youtu.be/75aX9mlipiY

[ADFSDF1996]

I couldn't find it.

[ClassicRocker]

Lol look up a recent picture of Dolf Lundgren...

[ADFSDF1996]

He's still in good shape, just a little older.

[waspcreative]

Ignoring the whole sexual arousal part of this take and only focus on visual sexual attraction...

I think the biggest difference is that men aren't that picky when just looking at girls bodies on the street. Yes the hotter the better but as long as the girl is at least average, that butt or face is going to look somewhat yummy. Girls also get attracted by visuals, but generally they're a lot pickier and are only visually pleased by above-average looks.

[Grungenoreos]

I agree with you. Nice take. But I don't compeltely agree with you in that in my own experience most of time men tend to focus more on looks then women. I know a lot more women that'll settle for a guy that isn't attractive then men. Also you have to take an account how mrn and women are often viewed different in how much they care about looks because on average men have a higher sex drive then women. There are many expections but generally we don't have as high of a sex drive compared to men. So thats part of the reason many stereotype how we view men when in favt we do care about looks too.

[Grungenoreos]

*completely *men *we not they care... *fact

[Grungenoreos]

But I agree with you in that we are stereotyped and put into a box as a gender. Because the fact is, everyone is different. We can't judge men by a 100 men and vice versa.

[ADFSDF1996]

Well said.

[Bandit74]

In my opinion, women are less visual in that they aren't as receptive to lower quality visuals.

Men can look at an average girl in a skimpy outfit and think: "Id totally fuck her" or become aroused at random pictures of boobs and vaginas. Women usually dont become aroused at the sight of an average shirtless man or a random dick unless she has an emotional connection with the guy.

Now this doesn't mean women can't be aroused by visuals. They can, but only if its high quality visuals, ie.. athletes, models, celebrities etc. But they aren't turned on by average men or random male body parts.

[ADFSDF1996]

Interesting, but when they do get aroused by visuals is it the same way when men get aroused by woman? What about when women always melt over 6 packs? All the women I know (which are quite a lot) always ogle a man's abs.

[Bandit74]

I only know what its like to be a guy so I can't answer that. Just from what I've observed I do think men are more easily turned on by visuals. Like the bar for what it takes to visually turn on a man is lower than what it takes to visually turn on a woman.

In regards to abs, part of it could be the stregth/power/dominance of a strong guy that appeals to them rather than just the just the visualization of abs.

But like I said I only know what its like to be a man.

Another thing you might find interesting is this data from okcupid and how each gender rated the other.

Men rated women similarly to a bellcurve where most are average and the number of above average and below average are near equal.

Women however rated most men as being below average looking.

blog.okcupid.com/.../

[ADFSDF1996]

That's interesting. I agree us men will probably never know for sure how most women actually view us.

[Anpu23]

Understand that as a generalization men SEE sexy and women THINK sexy. That doesn't mean that women can't see something and think, wow that's sexy, but a guy can see something and not think as it's just sexy. It's an important distinction as the outward action is the same, it's internal dialog that's different.

[Fearless_banana]

Didn't read but I came here to say you are wrong

[Tromba]

A man who likes to play the odds I see. After all, life is really too short to understand things before disagreeing with them. Can you even imagine how exhausting that would be? Not to mention unsatisfying.

[ADFSDF1996]

It's not surprising to hear you say so, after all you didn't read it.