An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

I know right off the bat that this is a contentious topic that will probably cause me to lose a lot of 'friends' if internet acquaintances can be called such. If my previous MyTakes have caused controversy and offended sensibilities, then this one is bound to take the cake. It will probably remain the undisputed, most offensive MyTake I have ever written. But in light of the culture wars and my duty not only as an Eastern Orthodox Christian, but as someone with common sense, I am compelled to take a stand even if it means effectively alienating myself from 90% of my demographic.

That said, if the tone of this Take comes off as angry, that is because it is. I am angry that in college I have to learn about HIV-positive sexual deviants like Matthew Shepard who have brainwashed my peers with LGBT rhetoric. I am angry that common sense and normality have been replaced with political correctness and insanity. But most of all I am angry that my future daughters and grandchildren are going to have to be raised in this perverse and Sodomite generation.

If you have remained with me thus far, then congratulations for not being an overly-sensitive, pansy assed college liberal. The rest of you can go cry me a river in your 'safe-spaces' for all I care. I imagine that those who will be the most offended by this article are ironically those who pride themselves on being the most 'open-minded' and 'liberal' about sexuality. In either case, my argument is simple and rests upon three topics that will be explored individually: a) the natural law, b) the role of government, and c) the disastrous results of when the two are not properly aligned

Thus my argument begins in ancient Greece, circa 400 years before the common era.

#1) From Aristotle to Aquinas: The Natural Law

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

The philosophy of a man who lived such a long time ago may seem irrelevant by our modern standards, as well as the topic of philosophy in general which we tend to associate only with academia. But understanding Aristotle and for that matter his greatest disciple, Thomas Aquinas, the pride of the Roman Catholic Church, is pivotal for understanding the foundation of Western thought and has enormous implications for politics and morality among other topics.

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

To quote Dr. Edward Feser, professor of philosophy at Pasadena City College, "Abandoning Aristotelianism, as founders of modern philosophy did, was the single greatest mistake ever made in the entire history of Western thought," (The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism).

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

Thus we arrive at the law of nature, or as it is more commonly known as, the natural law. Starting with Aristotle and reaching its peak with Aquinas, perhaps it would be better to start off by explaining what the natural law is not. It is not synonymous with merely occurring in nature, so check your appeals to homosexuality in the animal kingdom at the door. Nor is it an appeal to Divine Command Theory, so likewise check your Euthyphro Dilemma at the door. Rather, the natural law is a part of what older philosophers called the teleological vision. In short, it pertains to meaning, purpose, and design. It is what enables us to recognize some things as normal and other things as abnormal.

For example, a tiger being a tiger in the wild and a tiger being cruelly paraded around in a circus (pun not intended). We know this because we know the form of a tiger, that is, tiger-ness for lack of a better term. We know that a tiger has claws and fangs among other taxonomic features that make it a majestic predator belonging in the wild. More importantly, we know that a tiger is a tiger and not a fish, which in turn has its own form. For Aristotle and Aquinas, this was not arbitrary speculation but a precise and objective science. Furthermore, it was a metaphysical necessity.

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

To understand this, you have to understand its basic premise and the metaphysical dilemma that it sought to resolve. The basic premise is that there are four causes: a) the material cause, b) the formal cause, c) the efficient cause, and d) the final cause. The metaphysical dilemma that it sought to resolve is the question of how change is possible if something cannot come from nothing yet nothing is the only alternative to something. Aristotle resolved this by positing a distinction between potentiality and actuality--that is, what can exist and what actually exists.

For example, a table from wood. The potential is there, but it cannot actualize itself unless an external force acts upon it ("Whatever is moved is moved by another").Thus the four causes come into the play. They are the external force that transform potentiality into actuality, as in the illustration above. And it is from these four causes and the relationship between them that meaning, purpose, and design find their grounding. Thus the natural law which enables us to recognize some things as normal and other things as abnormal becomes inescapable. Hence a metaphysical necessity.

And that brings us to the elephant in the room.

Homosexuality has no basis in the natural law whatsoever.

Zip. Nada. Nothing. The fact that it occurs in nature does not make it normal anymore than the presence of tigers in circuses makes the captivity of animals who otherwise belong in the wild normal. It violates their purpose, meaning, and design. And it does not take a philosopher to recognize this fact. It just takes some basic common sense. This is true not only on the metaphysical level but even on the Darwinian level as well. Our evolutionary purpose is the propagation of our genes via sexual reproduction between a man and a woman. The form (I refrain from using the term 'design' since it implies religion) of our genitals bears witness to this basic fact.

Simply put, a penis is not a vagina and a vagina is not a penis. The meaning of both is that men are supposed to have sex with women and women are supposed to have sex with men. Thus in the words of Dr. Feser, "the very idea [of same-sex 'marriage'] is a metaphysical absurdity" akin to squaring the triangle. "It is no more up to them [the courts and people] to 'define' marriage...than it is up to them to 'define' whether the Pythagorean Theorem is true of right triangles, or whether water has the chemical structure of H20" (The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism).

The Left knows this. But they are in denial. So they try to cope with it in two ways. The first way is by denying that one or more of the four causes exist--primarily formal cause and final cause--in order to negate meaning, purpose, and design. But the problem is that they still utilize them whether they realize it or not. Again, a tiger is a tiger and not a fish. We know this only because of formal cause, because science allows us to understand the unique form of each. Furthermore, a formal cause implies a purpose or meaning. Thus a final cause becomes inevitable.

We know that the purpose of a tiger and a fish is to do whatever it is that a tiger and a fish do per zoology. The second way is by misrepresenting and/or deliberately crafting straw men of the natural law for the sole purpose of knocking them down. A common one is that it means infertile couples like the elderly are forbidden from having sex. This is false because it ignores potentiality and actuality. The potential for procreation is always there by nature of them being male and female, it is just that an external factor outside of their control (in this case, age) has prevented its actualization. The same cannot be said for same-sex 'couples,' where the potential is not even there because the very nature of their abnormal 'relationship' is contrary to it. It is wholly and unequivocally opposed to the natural law.

This has been but a crash course in Aristotle, Aquinas, and the natural law. My purpose is not to teach you philosophy but to teach you why I oppose same-sex 'marriage.' Philosophy just happens to be one component in my argument. For more information on this stuff, I would suggest reading any of Dr. Feser's books, particularly "Aquinas: A Beginner's Guide," "The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism," and "Scholastic Metaphysics: A Contemporary Introduction." Or just ask @ObscuredBeyond our friendly neighborhood Roman Catholic. Very smart guy.

#2) The Role of Government

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

Thus we move onto what Aquinas calls the positive law, that is, the 'law of the land' for lack of a better term. It means law as it pertains to government, the courts, and human institutions which most nations have at least to some extent (Somalia notwithstanding). In the United States we are a constitutional republic with a federal government divided into three branches: a) the legislature, b) the executive, and c) the judicial. On top of that, we also have various state and local level governments from city councils to governors like Jerry Brown and Arnold Schwarzenegger. It is within the context of positive law that the question arises of the role of government.

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

In a theocracy for example, the role of government is to uphold the precepts of a particular religion. Oftentimes the government is synonymous with the Church or other authoritative religious body. Most Islamic states like the former Ottoman Empire would be an example of this. Other times the government and authoritative religious body are separate but work in close harmony with one another. An example would be most Orthodox states like the Eastern Roman Empire and Russian Empire before the godless revolution. Long live the House of Romanov!

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

In either case, the role of the United States' government is pretty clear and well defined via the Declaration of Independence: "...to secure these [unalienable] rights, governments are instituted among men." That is, the role of government is to safeguard our rights. Notice it does not state to create, define, and/or 'make up' our rights, but to secure them. In order to be secured, something has to first exist. Thus our rights preexist government. And since they preexist government, they must come from somewhere else. Again the Declaration of Independence clarifies where: "the laws of nature and of nature's God." In other words, it comes from the aforementioned natural law.

Yes, you guessed it. It comes from the natural law.

In the words of Dr. James Stoner, professor of political science at Louisiana State University, "No public document gives more prominence to the idea of natural law, nor relies more crucially upon natural law as a premise, than the Declaration of Independence."

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

...the same natural law in which homosexuality has no basis whatsoever, and where same-sex 'marriage' is "a metaphysical absurdity" in the words of Dr. Edward Feser.

Thus we get to my main argument

Same-sex 'marriage' should NOT be legalized because it grants our government the power not only to 'secure' our rights, but to actually create and define them. Thus the natural law goes out the window and our rights become reduced to mere governmental decision which is arbitrary and subject to change.

In other words, same-sex 'marriage' undermines the very foundation of our rights as we know it.

#3) Tyranny of the Majority

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

A favorite book of mine is "I am Legend" by Richard Matheson. It was the inspiration not only for the Will Smith film of the same title back in 2007, but also the original 'Night of the Living Dead.' It singlehandedly created the modern zombie genre by isolating vampirism from its supernatural context. The ending of this book is terrifying not because it involves proto-zombies, but because it illustrates tyranny and the danger of when normalcy is determined not by nature but by the majority.

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

The protagonist Robert Neville--the last man on Earth--is executed by a new society of vampires who have found a way to stave off total infection like their reanimated counterparts, making them intelligent albeit still vampires nonetheless. What was once the monster to be feared has become the new normal while the normal has become the new monster to be feared. Why? Because in Matheson's own chilling words, "Normalcy was a majority concept, the standard of many."

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

Hence the danger of when the natural law is replaced with something as arbitrary as governmental decision. It means that our rights are no longer objective but subjective and prone to change depending upon the sentiments of the majority who influence the decisions our government makes. The same majority that decides to 'grant' one the freedom of speech could just as swiftly deprive it from one should they change their mind, and there is nothing one could do about it.

There is no higher, authoritative, and objective standard that one could appeal to when the majority and their government are wrong. In fact, wrong becomes right precisely because the majority and their government have decided that it is so. There is no foundation. And this is the reality we are destined for not only because of the LGBT movement's militant demand for 'marriage,' but from 'progressivism' itself which by its very nature is opposed to every and any sense of authority higher than fallacious human opinion. In other words it is a debate about the existence of Truth itself and the classical teleological vision of reality which makes purpose, meaning, and design possible, and the hollow mechanical view of the materialists which makes absurdity possible.

It is why, in their insane vision, a man can be a woman simply because he 'feels' like it and same-sex 'marriage' can be legalized, all because they dogmatically refuse to acknowledge purpose, meaning, and design despite the absurdities that their denial entails.

Well I am not drinking the Kool-Aid. A square triangle can never exist and a tiger can never be a fish. It does not matter what the majority thinks, its emotions, or how many votes it gets. The law of geometry cannot be changed. The same goes for the natural law. Neither the finest rhetoric in the world nor all of the appeals to emotion that the Left can muster will change a single iota of established scientific fact.

And I am not going to sit around and allow my rights to be undermined and reduced to mere governmental decision just because less than 5% of the population decided that the natural law is inconvenient to them. The objectivity of the natural law is absolutely essential for the security of our rights because it acts as the 'higher authority' that we can hold the government and the majority accountable to. And I am not ready to abandon it.

Some Final Thoughts...

This entire 'progressive' thought experiment is nothing but a petty act of rebellion against God and the divine. It is like younger siblings trashing the house and calling it 'progress' simply because it violates their parents' rules. Well I have been the oldest child for a while now and I can tell you that it is time to grow up and take responsibility.

This childlike rebelliousness is why the Left absolutely despises every and any source of authority beyond their own delusions, even the law of nature and objective Truth itself because it bears witness to its creator who is "the way, the truth, and the life," (John 14:6 NKJV). It would be like the fictional characters in one of my short stories having the audacity to think that he knows better than me the author who wrote him. But since the Left cannot harm God directly, they harm his creation and particularly humanity instead because it bears his image and likeness. Pathetic. St. John Chrysostom compares it to Roman citizens throwing stones at the statue of the emperor.

I have no desire to 'tolerate' the same inherently destructive, 'progressive' ideology that would just as soon throw my ideology out like yesterday's coffee grounds nor do I have any desire to 'coexist' with the same radicalized little Robespierre turds who need 'safe-spaces' because they find the very existence of a viewpoint other than their own threatening. My goal is to utilize my keen intellect and every fiber of my being to refute this 'progressive' ideology on sight and try to salvage some semblance of normality for the sake of my future descendants.

The great irony about all of this is that despite how much the Left hates objectivity and authoritative standards higher than their own, they will still have the audacity to accuse me of homophobia, intolerance, and bigotry unaware of the fact that their narrative admits no basis for such terms. It is like when atheists deny the metaphysical yet claim that we have a 'moral duty' to pursue scientific endeavors.

You cannot promote an anything-goes ideology characterized by the Manichaean notion that there is no Truth while simultaneously condemning homophobia, intolerance, and bigotry as objectively wrong. Morality loses its meaning because it is reduced to mere arbitrary opinion. Thus why should I care at all about what you think of me or the labels that you demonize me with? Does the lion think twice about hunting the zebra? Say what you want about Dr. Peter Singer, the bioethicist who argues that parents should be allowed to euthanize their disabled children, but at least he is logically consistent with his materialism.

That is the inevitable destination of the Left as the countless failed utopias, violent revolutions, and wholesale genocides since the 'Enlightenment' bear witness to. My Orthodox people encountered the Left and its product was the gulag.

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

But...

In Conclusion,

We cannot hate LGBT people as people no matter how much we may rightfully hate their lifestyle for the gross perversion of nature that it truly is and rightfully oppose same-sex 'marriage' for the metaphysical absurdity that it is.

In fact, since the Left which allegedly cares for the plight of LGBT people has not had the spine to speak up and say it, I the 'homophobic, intolerant, bigot' will be the first one to speak up on behalf of the LGBT community and say what should have been said a long time ago.

Radical Islam is the single greatest threat in the world to LGBT people. It is wholly and unequivocally opposed to their very existence as human beings. How and why any 'progressive' moron thought it would be a good idea to combine the two is beyond me. And the fact that the Left refuses to acknowledge this fact for what it is means that they have the blood of the 50 LGBT victims of the Orlando Shooting on their hands.

Cliche I know, but "hate the sin and not the sinner" as St. Augustine of Hippo is believed to have wrote. St. Isaac the Syrian wrote the same thing in his Ascetical Homilies, and it is from his version that I believe the underlying theology is better made known.

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

"Do not hate the sinner," he writes. "If for the sake of God you are moved to oppose him, weep over him. Why do you hate him? Hate his sons and pray for him, that you may imitate Christ who was not wroth with sinners, but interceded for them," (Homily 51).

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

Blessed Seraphim Rose above was gay, but bearing his Cross, he became a monk and battled his passions for the rest of his life. The result was that he is now recognized as a literal Saint by many Orthodox people including myself, because the grace of God was made manifest through him.

An Appeal to Natural Law: Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' Should NOT be Legalized

We cannot hate LGBTs because as people they are still icons made in the image and likeness of God. They have the potential to be the next Seraphim Rose. But we absolutely have to speak out against the abomination known as same-sex 'marriage' and condemn it on sight for the disastrous implications that it has for our rights. The natural law must be upheld. I do not expect to change anyone's mind, but merely to prove that there are legitimate reasons for opposing same-sex 'marriage' apart from "The Bible condemns it!" and inspire a greater sense of respect for the classic teleological vision of Aristotle and Aquinas, which has unfairly been ignored by ignorant 'analytical' philosophers for the modern materialist vision.

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  • "The fact that it occurs in nature does not make it normal anymore than the presence of tigers in circuses makes the captivity of animals who otherwise belong in the wild normal."

    Encaging animals is what humans do to animals against those animals' will. Homosexuality in animals is what animals naturally, consensually do with other animals.

    "Our evolutionary purpose is the propagation of our genes via sexual reproduction between a man and a woman."

    Actually no, we have no evolutionary purpose. Evolution is not a sentient entity with thoughts and feelings and goals and desires.

    "The form (I refrain from using the term 'design' since it implies religion) of our genitals bears witness to this basic fact.
    Simply put, a penis is not a vagina and a vagina is not a penis... Men are supposed to have sex with women and women are supposed to have sex with men."

    What about intersex people? Should intersex people not be allowed to get married now?

    Dude, who cares what other people are doing? If you don't like gay marriage, then don't get gay married. It doesn't affect you in any way.

    • When homosexuality does happen in animal kingdom, they are killed by the outer animals. The way the vagina does prove that you are to have sex from that opening, it is self lubricating and will open to make room for the penis to enter. As for the anus it stays tight does not self lubricate, and you have to clean out your anus to have anal sex. An intersex person fit in to male or female, they have both sex organs or other sexual characteristics, but they are still classed as male or female, but they do have trouble reproducing children. Intersexuality does not mean that an individual has two functional (working) sets of genitals. Most intersexed individuals have parts from both genders, but no two "complete" sets. For instance, a female with an enlarged clitoris and undescended testes. If you do believe in evolution, the purpose of it is to reproduce and keep your species alive, if you can't reproduce then you die and your lineage is cut off.

    • I reiterate, occurring in nature is not the same as being natural via the natural law. Consent and will are irrelevant as far as that is concerned, and frankly demonstrates a great folly on the part of the Left to define normalcy merely by choice. Furthermore, purpose and meaning are not dependent upon sentience and Aquinas actually devotes hundreds of pages to explain this point. It is very clear that the purpose of evolution is the propagation of our genes. You cannot change the form of our genitals. Humans were meant to have sex with the opposite sex to pass on their genes. Homosexuality is an anomaly and a perversion of this.

    • Should we ban contraception then?

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  • Ehh... The purpose of human genitalia is to procreate and ensure the inheritance of genetics; but MARRIAGE has no objective purpose. You can have sex without being married. You can have children outside of marriage.

    Marriage has no purpose. Therefore any argument relating marriage with procreation is void of reason and void of relevancy.

    • I think marriage should be abolished completely. That would sort out the pro-gay crowd, the anti-gay crowd, and the divorce laws and industry right away.

    • Marriage keeps the rights of the children on their father and mother, marriage does have a objective purpose. That why a child is called a bastard or illegitimate.

    • Also your lineage is cut off when you have children outside of marriage.

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  • I find it hilarious that you quote a Greek philosopher to claim homosexual act is wrong, when Ancient Greeks were bisexual, and many of their philosophers traditionally had intimate relationships with their apprentices :p

    • In several passages in the Summa Theologiae and elsewhere, Thomas Aquinas asserts that the inferiority of women lies not just in bodily strength but in force of intellect. To top this off, he maintains that feminine intellectual inferiority actually contributes to the order and beauty of the universe. Thus Aquinas implies a man has to marry someone who is inferior? :- Not very logical.

    • @jacquesvol He seems to imply balance cannot be found within a pair of two people are of equal status. You'll notice other parallels; the master/slave relationship applies here as well. While the truth to that theory can always be debated, I'm still convinced these grand theories were mostly made to give legitimacy to those in power. I don't see the relationship with what I was saying, though.

    • @Aetumn You answered about his use of Aristotle, I added Aquinas. That's why I commented under your answer.

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  • I understand that hate for what you have said was probably expected, but let me say this,
    Congratulations on not being molded on what this world believes is right and wrong.
    Secondly, thank you for speaking your mind and not being afraid of the idiots that are sure to follow.
    America is all about freedom of speech, yet SJWs are currently on a rampage to silence any and all speech that goes against their agenda. We have the freedom to say whats on our mind, to speak out against what we feel and know is wrong, and we should not be afraid to say it.
    That being said, while gay marriage does not affect me personally, I don't agree with it either. I am not homophobic, I do not hate gay people, I love all people as they are my neighbors (And YES I'm religious! I'm proud of it!) So I treat all humans with love and respect. But if you ask me personally what i think of gay marriage and homosexual acts, i will say i do not agree with it. I won't kill you for being homosexual, you have the right to do as you wish, but I'm not in your corner fighting with you. And guess what? As a free person, with rights of my own, I'm allowed to be in the middle on these things. And i shouldn't be harassed or called out for it. Nobody should.

    In my opinion if a man can freely be gay, then a man should also be able to be freely "not-gay" or in other words, not be ashamed if homosexual acts make him naturally feel uncomfortable. He's allowed to feel that way, he should not be persecuted for it. Thats called equality.

    What i don't agree with is when that same man decides to end the lives of the two gay men he has witnessed share a romantic interaction. Its not our job to pass judgement on people, thats the job of God. Those men have as much right to live as all of us do, their lives are precious and should not be ended by an idiot who thinks he's doing the world a favor.

    Now, I've said my piece, and I'm very very happy that i have. You did well sir, and although we do not share the same religion, we do share an opinion.

    • Thank you for expressing your views in such a polite and civilized manner.

  • i'm a sex-positive woman and pro-human rights. but i read through the entire take anyway.

    1) i think it's funny to watch the religious fundies try and come up with more creative ways to justify stripping people of their rights and dignity. hey, at least gay people don't come to my door and try to convert me.

    i was raised catholic, and people like you are one of the main reasons i turned my back on organized religion. did jc himself not say, "love thy neighbour" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" pretty sure that "only if they're straight" wasn't part of the deal.

    2) with everything that's happened this week, i find this take to be in incredibly poor taste. my heart goes out to the shooting victims and their families.

    i am an ally~ though i'm not overly fond of the word itself (why, in 2016, do we still need some fancy word to show that we're decent human beings?), straight doesn't mean narrow; love is love. <3

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    • Marriage is not a human right to every one, people don know the difference between human right and the basic rights that everyone deserve and marriage is not one of them. The shooting was fake or a hoax, most of the peoples stories don't make sense, look for yourself. Love is not love, that includes that you are free to love who or what you want. Love is love is an illogical statement.

    • You mean the same Jesus Christ who warned of coming hellfire and imminent judgment, called people broods of vipers, said that whoever does not follow him scatters, and most importantly told the prostitute to "sin no more"? In either case, what I find hilarious are the creative ways that the LGBT community comes up with trying to ignore basic biology rather than admit that their condition is abnormal. What would you think of cancer patients throwing out the rules of medicine to say that cancer is somehow healthy? Finally, don't you dare talk to me about taste when the Left has had no problem using this fiasco as an excuse to push their gun-control agenda.

    • Cancer is not healthy, cancer caused by modern man as it was virtually non-existent in ancient world. I don't care about the left or right, they are also pushing their LGBT, and ISIL/ISIS agenda.

  • Marriage isn't natural to begin with and tons of animals have gay sex. Marriage is a legal institution, just because you think its icky doesn't mean you should be allowed to trample on the rights of others.

    • Marriage only legitimizes that which already exists via the natural law. Since homosexuality has no basis in the natural law, how can they ever be truly 'married'? It is a metaphysical absurdity. I reiterate, occurring in nature is not the same as being natural. Go back and read that part over again.

    • Marriage came about as a way to control property and connect different families together to advance their social positions. Plenty of animals have homosexual behaviour in the wild. Actually yes natural is defined as "existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind." Well its existing in nature, in that animals have gay sex. So you are literally wrong on that point.

  • I didn't read this but I am going to say that same sex marriage is a sin just like lying, cheating, stealing etc and I know that it happens and people get away with it but we have to just say that their sin or action is their business and between them and their God or the real God as I am Christian. And leave it at that.

    • Except, I could care less about the fact that homosexuality is a sin. If people want to risk the fate of their soul, that is their choice and I can respect it. But the argument rests rather upon the legal implications that same-sex 'marriage' has for our rights with the replacing of the natural law with arbitrary human opinion.

  • I love how several people in the comments (far as I've read) have called you homophobic. I find your take incredibly informative and reasonable, and am so pleased that someone actually did tremendous research into why Same-Sex Marriage shouldn't be legalized. You make great points throughout your entire article, and do not preach hate or irrational fear. Words cannot properly express how wonderful I find this article. Wonderful job!

    • Thank you. I appreciate the feedback :)

  • And what about people who can't have kids due to biological factors? Are they not allowed to get married either? Does this mean adoption is wrong as well, since clearly everyone's purpose in life is to reproduce? And you know, if you're just adopting someone else's kid, you're not reproducing, and the person who put the kid up for adoption is a loser who messes up the reproduction system?

    • the genes of people who can't reproduce slowly remove themselves from the gene pool anyways.

    • I already answered that question regarding sterile and/or elderly couples both within the MyTake and in my response to the comments.

    • But homosexual people are still able to reproduce, the probability is there, they're just hindered by their sexuality, just like sterile people are hindered by their sterility. Why do you claim you know everything about natural law? What if God put gay people on earth for a reason? Homosexuality occurs in nature, does that not by default make it a natural law? Or would you consider everything abnormal unnatural? Such as disabilities? Are disabilities also abominations? What about phones, cars and computers? They don't grow in nature, hence they're unnatural, does that mean that using technology is an abomination by your standards since it goes against natural law? Or do you just cherry pick whatever you think is the "natural law" because it fits your agenda? Doesn't shaving one's head (like you) also go against the natural law, since it's only natural to grow it out and not do anything about it? What about perfumes and deodorants? Makeup? Anything artificial?

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  • Well, I'm really happy marriage equality is legal in my country (and quite a few others). I sincerely hope there comes a day and age where all people are treated as equal citizens with equal rights :)

  • "It violates their purpose, meaning, and design"

    Show me the purpose and meaning of specific individuals... you can't because there is no grand design. We place meaning on things, they do not inherently have meaning. What meaning and purpose does a fox have? A body part can be designed for something but does that mean it should never be used for anything else? No. Of we stuck to your logic then all we would do is fuck, fight and die. That is our "design" is it not? What a sad state of affairs that would be... It's like you want the human race to stay stagnant and only fulfil it's biological purpose.

    You believe in God, it's his place to judge not yours.

    • Purpose, meaning, and design is evident via universals, thus I can see you are not very well versed in Plato or Aristotle since you mention specific individuals. A fox has a very clear purpose from a zoological perspective. It acts as a predator in the ecosystem. People are free to use their body parts for different purposes if they wish, but it does not mean that we should lie and say that it is natural when it is really not. When we do so, arbitrary human opinion becomes the ultimate standard by which our rights hinge, whereas the natural law is at least objective and higher.

    • I disagree and I find it hilarious that you use Greeks to defend your stance since they had such a love of men. We are not here animals so your argument is just bullshit. We're humans, not foxes and we fuck for fun.

    • We don't need everyone to be heterosexual so therefore our "meaning" isn't as you say it is.

  • Their is no such thing as "Radical Islam", they are not even following Islam or even Muslim anymore, There will come a people from the east who recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats. They will pass through the religion just as an arrow pierces its target and they will not return to it just as the arrow does not return to the bow.

    The are Khawarij, literally "Those who Went Out" they left Islam.
    The Kharijite ideology is based upon the following evil tenets:

    1. Declaring Muslims to be unbelievers.
    2. Rejecting lawful obedience to the rulers.
    3. Justifying violence against Muslims and innocent people.
    They also kill more Muslims the non-Muslims in their countries.
    The countries that are war torn cause of the US.

    But the LGBT people need to learn to coexist and not equal to us heterosexuals.
    Their are rights that everyone as a human deserve and marriage and haveing children is not one of them.

    I am not being hateful, I am being logical and not letting my emotions.

    • Either way, it was motivated by an ideology of hate which inspired terrorism. The Obama administration's refusal to acknowledge this for what it is means that they have the blood of the Orlando victims on their hands. They sold out the LGBT community for terrorism.

    • Well the Orlando shooting was not real, they were actors. Did you not see the clips from the news, you would not be able to give an interview the day after you got shoot, you would be on so much pain killers you would not be able to talk, make sense, or remember clearly. I don't much care about the LGBT community , cause they keep ramming their lifestyle down our throats and they are everywhere when they make up less the 3% or 4% of the US population.

  • here's a simple combat to your natural law theory in regards to same sex marriage... is marriage part of any natural law?

    does any other animal on earth enter into a legal pact in which they bound to one person... NO so natural law shouldn't apply to parts when it cannot be applied to the sum

    • Marriage legitimizes that which already exists via the natural and thus serves a vital purpose in a social species like human beings.

    • marriage only legitimizes something in the eyes of the government. there is no marriage in the natural world. animals don't get married and there is no formal process to recognize the relationship of two animals. so there for marriage really is "natural" at all. it's a human institution

  • They can demand a mule be called a horse because it also has four legs and a tail and can pull a cart, but it is still a mule.

    Mules cannot breed by themselves, incidentally, which makes the analogy even more apt.

    • I applaud the ancient Greek reference!

  • This is very intelligently written, and you've used a fair amount of good arguments.
    However, I'm going to disagree with you. Because other people pursuing their own happiness should have no impact on yours. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Who is that by? That's right, none other than your highly praised Aristotle. I think you, and many others, would benefit from following that line of advice.
    What other people do with their lives is none of your business. I don't like plugs or excessive piercings. Does that mean I stand on the street and scream at people that choose to wear them? No. It means that I don't wear them. Because I am a civilized human being, capable of understanding that the pursuit of happiness is the true purpose of life, and that someone else's definition of that is never going to be the same as mine. And that's okay.

    • very well said :)

    • But the thing is, I have no problem with homosexuals living together, being in relationships, and doing whatever they want with each other. But as I explained in the argument, same-sex 'marriage' DOES concern me because it threatens the very foundation of my rights. I get the impression that most people did not read this Take past the first section.

    • I read all of it, actually. And marriage is not natural anyway. It's man made and therefore does not coincide with "natural law. "

  • As much as I think your disagree with your beliefs and think they're pretty awful, the take was written well so... Yeah. Good job, I guess.

    • Wow, what happened there :P *As much as I disagree with you beliefs and think they're pretty awful, the take was written well so... Yeah. Good job, I guess. Sorry about that.

    • Thank you. I put a lot of effort into it.

  • Marriage has been invented by humans. Just like the constitution. If people want to, anything can be changed. Apparently, people want the definition of marriage to change and include gays. That's what it is. Shut up and deal with it.

  • IDGAF what natural law says in anyone's mind. Fuck natural law. The whole concept is mostly bullshit, and it's not relevant to government laws.

    Government laws send armed thugs to rob, beat, kidnap and sometimes kill anyone who doesn't say yes sir and jump to comply.

    That pretty much sucks ass, so the less legislative violence we inflict on our neighbors, the better.

    What people do to cum has absolutely nothing to do with me unless I'm physically involved, so it's not my business.

    What contracts they agree to are likewise not my business.

  • *ALL* marriage should be outlawed/abolished. It's an obsolete concept whose death can't get here fast enough.

    • Marriage legitimizes that which already occurs via the natural law.

    • The only 'natural law' is adapt or die. Marriage has nothing to do with that. It especially doesn't legitimize it. The declining marriage rate, men walking away from marriage and relationshits, however, is a perfect example. They're adapting.

  • Being heterosexual should be illegal, you only embarrass yourselves

  • What is this... It's legal buddy get over it.. I love it everyone should have the right to be with who they want

  • dude why would you ever bother to write a lenghty take about the issue you must have some issues about that yourself like you shouldn't mind whoyour neighbors are fucking

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