How Western Women are Harming and Endangering Society

[Careless_Whisper]

This is a serious subject that needs to be addressed. I acknowledge that men have done things to harm society, but it is my strong belief, based on what I see happening, that women are the ones who are harming and endangering western society more than anything else.

The most obvious is the erosion of the family unit. Multiple studies have shown that a society made up of broken families also have a higher rate of crime, drug and alcohol abuse, and teenage pregnancies. Strong family units is the glue that holds society together. Destroy the family unit and you destroy society. The brainwashing of feminism and the divorce laws have made men think twice about getting married. The divorce and family courts laws have allowed women to benefit from a divorce by getting full custody of the children and getting financial benefits. Thus, over 70% of divorces are instigated by women. On top of that, more and more women are breeding with bad boys and assholes, while rejecting good men who are seeking love and commitment. This is also very damaging to society.

Another dangerous problem is women going into professions that are male dominated, such as the fire services and the military. Both the fire services and the military have had to lower their standards in order to get more women in. Over and over again women have failed to keep up with the men in their fitness training, so now the fitness and strength standards have been lowered so that more women can join these services. In my opinion this is very dangerous and harmful to society. Why can't people just accept that there are different strengths and weaknesses between men and women? Oh sorry, we wouldn't want to upset the feminists now would we. That would be sexist.

And then we have abortion. Hundreds of thousands of babies a year killed inside the womb of their own mother. And for all the evil people who say that it's only a fetus, why is it that if a woman has a miscarriage people say, "Aww she lost the baby" but if a woman has an abortion people say, "It's not a baby it's a fetus"? You just change the words whenever it suits you in order to justify your evil actions. Abortion is the biggest genocide that has ever existed. Abortionists are terrorists against the unborn. But it's women who instigate this. Women are the ones who go through with it.

If women keep on doing these things, and if all the white knights keep supporting what these women are doing, I can't really see a future for western society.

[akadatank44]

Actually your studies are wrong. Just think if contraceptives didn't exists and abortion? Most of those aborted babies would of grown up in broken homes or in crime or wa below the povert level. The theory is that the crime rate from the early 90s to now has dramatically decreased since abortions and contraceptives are more available. It may look as if crime has increased but thats because we are sooo connected nowadays. Shit that happens now did happen in the 40s and 50s you just never heard about it unless you were in that town. News didn't spread like it does today.

[Careless_Whisper]

Everything you said was false.

[akadatank44]

Nope lol

[Careless_Whisper]

yes it is, 100%

[Deconstruction]

Crime rate has indeed decreased, but myTake owner would not know because he's too busy "having a hunch" on how reality works.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

This wiki page cites tons of sources, start actually researching the data if you even want to attempt to argue your points.

[alphadoggystyle]

without contraceptives, the casual sex culture wouldn't be nearly as widespread today as it is, so there would be less children/fetuses "needing" to be aborted in the first place.

[genuinlysensitive]

The violent crime rate decreased due to advances in law enforcement and forensic science. Also, condoms have been used as contraceptives for hundreds of years... your argument is invalid.

[BuchitaBuchys]

Jesus Christ. You seriously need to find that Western woman that broke your heart and tell her to apologize or something.

We get it, you hate women.

Should we go back to good ol' wife beatings then? You're more fit for the middle east than the US.

[LogicBomber]

Calling out lame shaming tactics.

Code black
https://i.imgur.com/eSZDFmm.jpg

[BuchitaBuchys]

@LogicBomber lol whatever. You both can have a circle jerk with the rest of the bitter dudes here

[LogicBomber]

Code red
https://i.imgur.com/djrarix.jpg

[BuchitaBuchys]

@LogicBomber circle jerk

[LogicBomber]

You got anymore pathetic shaming tactics or do you actually have valid arguments. I am not bitter, nor gay, nor hate women. I am sorry if logic and stats cause you aggression and anger. But you need to get past your triggering and learn to deal with valid criticism. The real world won't coddle you. (Yes I know your next move is to block me... It's expected when people like you get called out on your bullshit)

[BuchitaBuchys]

@LogicBomber I've never blocked a single person here lol But you're not worth any serious discussion. As most "logic" users here claim to have good arguments, but just are unpleasant individuals. So, circle jerk

[LogicBomber]

"Circle jerk"

Code lavender
https://i.imgur.com/9OAcOk9.jpg

[Careless_Whisper]

@LogicBomber It's the oldest trick in the book. When they cannot argue against facts, they resort to calling you a sexist woman hater. Happens all the time. But it also shows how incredibly thick these people are, to think that criticizing the faults of women somehow implies that we should go back to woman beating just shows their stupidity.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@LogicBomber in fact, careless whisper guy has always blocked me. In his old account, he did the same. Circle jerk

[hellionthesage]

Well techincly it was never acceptable to hit a woman. Ironicly however it was also never acceptable to be hit by a woman ie while a man if he abused a woman enough was viewed as dispicable (generally speaking if it didn't affect the society people had a don't ask don't tell policy) and the man would be punished (in fact thanks to an old law that was still on the books a man in america in the 50s was publicly flogged for wife beating) however if the wife beat him he would be either tied to the back of a wagon or forced to ride a donkey backwards through the streets as the citizens threw what ever they could get their hands on at him. So technicly if we go back to the days of "wife beatings" we would actually be going back to the days of "husband beatings'. I don't think feminist like history, they seem to know so little about it.

[hellionthesage]

@LogicBomber I like your codes. Seem fitting and much quicker response then what I have been doing.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage I'm Mexican roots bro. It was very common in the good ol'days. Why do y'all assume everyone here is from the US or Europe? Have you not heard of machismo? Literally, my grandparents told my mom that it was pointless for her to get an education because she was a girl. They literally told this to a 6yr old girl. They did not let her go to a single day to school. She cried and begged and they refused. So she is self taught read and write. This was a little village of Mexico. The sexism and misogyny runs deep in those areas.

[hellionthesage]

Oh I don't assume that its that these kinds of statements are made all the time and irregardless of location its been provably false. Every single time so I just err on the side of caution and presume that its always wrong. See no one wants to talk about the opposite side of things. Oh women had it so bad because they didn't have to go to war, they didn't have to sacrifice themselves they didn't have the right to vote just like men, they didn't have to break their back working 16 hour days etc etc etc. So when you hear that all the time its just natural. Like we talk about how women are the only victims of domestic violence but when you actually word things just right you find that men are more likely then women. So in a society that doesn't give a shit about men, it doesn't, you can't really claim what you have and expecte it to be accurate simply because men are not allowed to be victims, as I pointed out.

[LogicBomber]

You state that i am not worth any serious discussion yet you started with nothing but a shaming tactic in the first place. Yes some "logic" people may not have good or even valid arguments. I beg you to show me how I fit that claim. I post links to ALL my claims and stats. I do not use petty shaming tactics (unless ironically to prove a point) or personal attacks. That may feel "unpleasant" to you but that doesn't mean the person is actually unpleasant, it means you are unable to take items outside your comfort zone with a gain of salt. I welcome rational debate, but childishness and shaming tactics will end a debate quickly because it shows the other party has nothing left to offer.

[hellionthesage]

As for the educational remark, yeah that is sexist, so sexist because she wasn't allowed to go to school but not sexist that a man was expected to work himself to death on her behalf. See the problem their? Sexism only exists when you are so sexist that you ignore everything the other gender had to go through. Like in the middle east its sexist for women to not go to school completely ignoring the fact that its because men are legally and socially obligated to care for women that to give a woman an education does not make her life better (her husband still has to provide for her) but rather it ensures another family suffers since that is one less man who is educated and one less man getting a good job to provide for his family. Much the same mentality I imagine. As I said its only sexism because you refuse to acknowledge all the extra burdens those men had to make. Their is a reason why women control spending in all cultures why 70% of global spending is done by women.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage they don't give women the same opportunities. Give women the chance to work and whatnot. You can't oppress a group and then complain you have to care for them. As I said, wife beatings were not frowned upon.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@LogicBomber circle jerk...

[hellionthesage]

I'll give you a hint, its not because those men are keeping everything they worked so hard for for themselves. So yes their is rampant sexism, but its not towards women. Look at life expectancy. Look at work place accidents and deaths, look at the occupations dominated by men (like manual labor jobs or police and military) and look at life expectancy of women, look at their occupation, their health etc etc etc and you will see who is in worse shape (hint its men). I can all but guarantee it since these statistics hold true not just in the west but in asia india, africa and I am going to make the educated guess that it also applies to central america and south america. Also, your mother wasn't allowed to go to school? Okay I know a mexican father who is working twenty hour days (that isn't hyperbole) to put his daughter through school so there is also that.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage my mom would work 2 jobs while my dad sold drugs. And he'd take her money. He'd beat her and us. I'm not saying all Mexicans are womanizers and beat wives, but it's not uncommon for them to see women as inferior. I get that they want to "protect" us from such dangerous conditions. But keeping half your population from an education on the sole grounds of their genitals is stupid. Many women have made contributions to this day despite having to "prove" themselves.

[hellionthesage]

And my mother beat and starved me, my step mother was insanely emotionally abusive, so what? I'm not saying thats good only that its irrelevent to the topic. The other issue is you refusing to acknowledge womens role in society. Who chooses who they marry and have sex with? Women. Who raises the children and thus instills the values they will carry for the rest of their lives? Women. And if central america is anything like the rest of the world who teaches the children literally dictating to them the values they will carry for their rest of their lives when they go to school? Women. You cannot pretend women are pacif participents, thats a blatent lie women are active players in soceity, again 70% of global spending (80% in the us) they dictate how things are marketed, hence, in the us and the western world most marketing portrays women as perfect and men as idiots. They dictate how things function in the home through their mate selection. They have that power. Don't pretend otherwise.

[hellionthesage]

Your mother chose your father. Period. Now I'm not saying what he did was good or justifiable but you cannot pretend like your mother was not equally to blame for the situation simply because she knew who he was and she chose him anyway. This is also why statistics are important because ancedotal evidence is meaningless, what happens to one person does not happen to others. I was abused, doesn't mean every person was abused, it means I was abused it happens but not uniformally. You refuse to acknowledge the social pressures palced upon men then you are being sexist, they fight they die for women, they work for women then give their entire income over to women to use. They as I pointed out with my other ancedotal evidence, work themselves to near death working 20 hour days to provide for their families, and you and women across the world say how worhtless, how evil and bad they are. Even as women are the most well off of any one, more so then female children even.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage I'm not saying they don't have power. But they were traditionally oppressed. You act as if men can't choose who they marry, they literally are usually the ones to propose. You act like men can't raise kids.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage I didn't say men are worthless. But ok my mom did make a bad choice. That's what happens when her own parents say she shouldn't get an education. She has to marry any loser to escape her home. And like I said, you say it's to protect women, well you can't oppress a whole half of the population "for their own good" and then get mad you are the one who has to care for them. If you don't want to support and provide for them, if that's such a burden. Let them work. Give them equal access to education. There are girls who literally have gotten kidnapped and even shot just for wanting to get an education. If that's not sexism and misogyny, I don't know what is. This sounds an awful lot like how slave owners willfully kept their slaves ignorant and then have the audacity to complain about how they have to feed, clothe, and support them. Well no shit. That's what happens when you deny equal opportunities to a group of people.

[hellionthesage]

No women where never opressed, never. This is provable. Now I have the evidence for western society and india so thats what I am going to use as evidence of this, since feminism is a western concept that has infected every other society (or it seems). Women couldn't vote that is stated time and time again, but you know what isn't? That men could not either. It states how women couldn't own land, but you know what isn't stated? That the reason for this was because only men where phyiscally strong enough to till the soil and use it to grow food, a big deal when your subsistent farming so giving a woman land was like giving a blind man a car it was more a burden then anything else which is why it whent to the eldest male so it was his responsibility to care for his mother and sisters ie he worked for their benefit. The other issue was that as civilization became more advanced, more burdens where placed on men then women, like the fact that he had to pay taxes on her land therefore he

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage I'm going off the world not just US. You're really gonna tell me getting shot in the face for being a girl trying to get an education isn't oppression? You're not worth arguing with. Go join the circle jerk

[hellionthesage]

had to have the right to say what happened to it. When technology finally advanced (thanks to men) to allow women to feasably farm land or since the middle class started to appear pay for some one else to do it women where then allowed to own land (though men still payed the taxes because women where oh so opressed). As I pointed out already when a man beat a woman he would be publicly flogged, when a woman beat a man HE would be publicly flogged. How is that women being oppressed exactly? Look at any story, who is the bad guy? The one who mistreates women, who is the good guy? The one that treats women well. Every fairy tale involves a man putting himself in danger over and over again to save a woman he doesn't even know, why? Because it was telling men that their lives meant nothing compared to hers, he had to prove his worth by providing a service to her. So why don't we ever talk about that?

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage circle jerk

[hellionthesage]

Men got the right to vote less then a generation before women in america (less time then that in england) why? Because they could be legally conscripted, forcibly conscripted into posses for police, bucket brigades for fire, and as soldiers for the military against their will something women neve ever had to do. They had to risk their lives to write a name on a piece of paper what did women give up, what responsibility did they take for the same exact right? Nothing. In fact in the west, women where against the right to vote because they did not want to be drafted only when they where assured they would not have the same responsibilities as men had did they finally accept the privledge of voting (and it is a privledge, at least for men). If a man and woman divorced what happened? Historicly a man had to pay her alimony for the rest of her life as well as child support and she got full custody of his child. Whats happening today? The same thing.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage circle jerkkkk

[hellionthesage]

If you look at healthcare spending in the US women recieve both in public and private sector three times the spending for female specific diseases then men get despite men suffering from most diseases at higher rates then women. 98% of all work place accidents are male, men are actually more likely to be victims of abuse then women are and are as likely to be raped by women as women are by men despite society and many countries legal systems saying otherwise. 80% of the homeless in america is male and its about the same in india and other countries in the west so I have a pretty good feeling it is in mexico and central america as well. males comprise 75% of all suicide victims. Seeing a trend yet? This is why I use statistics because it tells you a whole lot more then ancedotal evidence, and what its saying is women have it better then men have ever had it, and always have.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage circle. Jerk.

[hellionthesage]

Getting shot in the face? One fucking incident of an asshole being an asshole doesn't mean a damn thing. Otherwise you would be violently abusive and beat children since that was my experience it must mean all women are that way right? And I was going off the entire world too. I already explained why they where so against women going to school, because they are forced to provide for her and that means a family starving because they gave the education to a woman who has no need of it because her husband is legally required to take care of her, so much in fact that he has to pay taxes on her income, another reason why men are against women working, because it screwes them because of sexist laws. Also the reason why boy prostitution is through the roof in those countries since they have to provide for their perfectly capbable mothers because society is so sexist towards women that an 8 year old boy is expected to care for his 30 year old mother.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage circle jerk...

[hellionthesage]

As for your circle jerk response, thats just fucking retarded. You literally proved my point magnificently. You can't argue so you insult and attempt to dismiss it hoping I'll either shut up or throw you a pity party. So here is some life advice every single man on the planet gets, Grow a fucking pair and deal with it, shit ain't going to solve itself. Stop wallowing in self fucking pity, your not a victim men are capable of being victims boo hoo get over yourself etc etc etc. Stop being stupid and think things through instead.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage lol circle jerk.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage go join the circle jerk and shut up already

[hellionthesage]

Keep jerking yourself off, maybe you'll accomplish something. Yeah maybe if you jerk off to yourself long enough wallowing in self pity history and the world will magically change to fit your delusional world view? You should try it and see what happens, well you already are but continue to try it.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage lol circle jerk. You are the delusional one. Go jerk off to your male superiority

[hellionthesage]

Male superiority? Where the fuck did you get that? Now I know your delusional.

[LogicBomber]

@BuchitaBuchys Your repeated school yard childishness is why you get blocked. It isn't for no reason. You just troll and pat yourself on the back because you think it comes across as intelligent but you like you joined a conversation you were under prepared to have. Have a good day anyways.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@LogicBomber whatever. Circle jerk

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage mhmmm. Circle jerk.

[LogicBomber]

Lame

[BuchitaBuchys]

@LogicBomber sure Jan

[hellionthesage]

yeah replacing logical debate and facts with a an insult (and not even a particularly good or clever one at that) means you win! Yeah you won! I'm so happy for you winning this argument with such tact and logical facts its so impressive you should give yourself a congratulatory hug!

[BuchitaBuchys]

@hellionthesage...
clipartix.com/.../Congratulations-clipart-3.jpg

[BuchitaBuchys]

@alphadoggystyle I'm not a feminist and he didn't prove anything. You can join his circle jerk

[bones90]

you're wrong, and he proved you wrong. deal with it.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@bones90 sure. He can convince y'all of anything. Next he's gonna say that slavemasters had it bad because they had to feed their slaves. Y'all need to stop with this "pity me" party/red pill/ circle jerk

[genuinlysensitive]

I don't get it, when was it ever legal or encouraged to beat your wife? Never? That's right! And where are you on all the "Men are evil" posts? I assume going annon and egging them on?

[BuchitaBuchys]

@genuinlysensitive no. I don't go anon to bash men. If I gotta say something I'll say it

[BlastGrass]

Everyone hates so much on Western women, but nobody realises that Western men are equally trashy. It's a new sub-culture rising of youth as a whole. I don't like that sub-culture, and I think both genders fuck up equally.
You can find them in North America, the UK, Russia, South Africa, Korea, Japan, China, Italy, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, etc - any non-war-torn country.
If you tell me a trait about these trashy teenage girls, I will tell you a trait about trashy teenage men to counter it. You will see that they balance out, and it's fair.

Another point: you said that women's search for jobs is causing the 'family unit' to crumble. You realise that approximately half of the doctors treating your children, scientists discovering cures for aids and solutions to global warming, lawyers making sure your violator gets put to justice - they're women too, aren't they? There are bigger things in life than making children, believe it or not. Frankly, I think you're being selfish to expect all women be eager to help you procreate and clean the house.
If you disagree with this point, tell me how you aren't being selfish.

Science and technology won't progress as quickly as we urgently need it to, if 50% of the population is locked away, making sandwiches and raising children (that the world no longer afford - look at how fast global warming will take effect - so stop complaining, because we have a bigger problem right now, and reproduction can wait).

And frankly, when it comes to abortion, most of the time, it's an agreement by both the male and female that they don't want the child, so the woman isn't the EVIL murderer. Statistically, it balances out that the male and female both are, since you wanted to put it that way.

Honestly, you're coming off as pretty fucking salty lol. If you're not willing to take the places women have left behind, to fix the problem, obviously, you're less capable than you want us to believe lol. What's the matter with your wife bringing bread to the table while you stay at home and do the chores and raise the kids? Then your children won't be raised in a broken home! Simple solution, see? What's the matter? Does it sound too difficult for you? Would it hurt your masculinity? :'(

[alphadoggystyle]

sry but women are not half of the doctors or scientists, men vastly outnumber women in these fields and have contributed a lot more, majority of inventions by far are still made by men.

[BlastGrass]

@alphadoggystyle

Of course men have contributed more in those fields. It's not a huge surprise that the group with a higher level of education, support, and resources were equipped to discover and invent more, lol. By your logic, white men > black men, because white men have contributed much more to science than African Americans (who have to deal with racism and shit, and women have to deal with sexist men like OP). See? It's a problem of situation, not so much the people.

Ok, the'half' thing:

Women working in:
Family medicine (~58%)
Psychiatry (~57%)
Pediatrics (~75%)
Obstetrics/gynecology (~85%)
Surgery (~41%)
Emergency medicine (~38%)
Anesthesiology (~37%)
Internal medicine (~46%)
www.ama-assn.org/.../medical-specialties-vary-gender

A graph in the following link:
thinkprogress.org/.../
States the trend of female employment in relevant areas sits at ~34%, but at this rate, will hit 50% very soon.

What are your sources to suggest inventions past 2008 are mostly male made?

[Careless_Whisper]

Even today when women have all these rights and privileges, it's still men who are at the top of science and are still the greatest inventors. Thanks to men millions of women now have employment due to technology.

[BlastGrass]

Of course you're right in saying that. People don't change at instant speed! In fact, your comment contradicted what you said in your take. You said women are trying for male dominated professions. Now, you said they are doing a poor job of getting into said professions. ... Pick a belief! Or, like you said; "You just change the words whenever it suits you in order to justify" what you said. Look, Please site some studies. I'm willing to be convinced if only you can back your claims with evidence. Do use studies that take samples after the 2000s. Frankly, I think this is a case of 'deal with it'. The world's changing. You don't like it. Can you prevent the change? No? Then get rekt. You're one person. The world will keep spinning regardless of how you feel about something. There are plenty of ways for a man like you could take advantage of this situation, so there's no reason to get mad. Getting angry about it on the internet without backing your claims with data is a bit pathetic.

[JessicaWin]

@alphadoggystyle these things change, scary isn't it.

[genuinlysensitive]

Its not so much genders as biased, but well funded political groups such as feminists and bible groups.

[HandsomeRaj]

Good thought and take, will span volumes w/o an end if we discuss this cause it's a vicious circle. But what intrigues me is why 'WESTERN' women and not just 'WOMEN'

[Careless_Whisper]

Because it's mostly western women who are doing the most damage.

[HandsomeRaj]

There's a history to everything buddy :) one can never clap with one hand :D

[TakeMaker]

Sorry, but war and human exploitation are way worse than women not wanting to breed with you.

This is strewn with personal views of why women are evil, you haven't really addressed the real social issues that are causing the shift in human relationships you've just been a bit of a whiny baby about it... bring something better to the table next time, this is substandard.

[bobbyxx]

Probably the best MyTake ever.

[TakeMaker]

@bobbyxx Yeah, if you're a mindless hate filled idiot...

[TakeMaker]

@alphadoggystyle hahaha... yeah, whatever you say sweetheart.

[alphadoggystyle]

its the truth, sry if it makes you feel bad, try to avoid crying about it.

[TakeMaker]

@alphadoggystyle too late, my life is in turmoil... I don't know how I will continue having been exposed to such truths...

[amarahorrorstory]

That's fine, we will keep our distance from you.

[bang678]

This was so dumb.
You sound like a butt hurt, friend zoned crybaby.

[alphadoggystyle]

Most women are crybabies by nature, and you where obviously butthurt by this mytake because the facts presented makes you angry.

[bang678]

@alphadoggystyle I'm angered by your stupidity and most of your points are opinions.

[Careless_Whisper]

@alphadoggystyle The only stupid one here is you.

[alphadoggystyle]

its you who are stupid, and all my points are based on fact.

[bang678]

y'all are a mess

[genuinlysensitive]

Ad hominem lol.

[bobbyxx]

@alphadoggystyle well said. I really can't stand this awful women she represents everything wrong with modern society. I hope Iosted on the right comment. I need to take a copy of what gets removed from where, so I can repost on the right comment. The feminazis and butthurt females will remove anything they don't like

[bang678]

It's like you're seeing things that aren't there

[Curmudgeon]

"And then we have abortion. Hundreds of thousands of babies a year killed inside the womb of their own mother." -- On the other hand, do you really want the kinds of women you condemn raising children? I think not.

[KattFeesh]

You are funny.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

Eh.. I hate to break it to you, but an overwhelming majority of violent crimes, and other destructive behavior in the western world are committed by men.

I'm not saying modern day women are perfect; Because they certainly have their flaws. But I don't think women are the ones "harming" or "endangering" society. I don't see how ignoring gender roles is "harming" society.

[hellionthesage]

Yes but the violent crimes are commited against other men. When it comes to domestic violence women are actually more likely to be perpetrators while men are more likely to be victims statisticly speaking (according to the CDC NCVS and various third party groups). Women are harming society as much as men mainly because they claim victim hood where their is none and men allow them to function with impunity. Gender roles functioned as a checks and balance system so that no one was fully empowered to act in what ever fashion they saw fit, now however thanks to feminism, mens greater propensity to cater to women, women function above criticism, to criticise women is to be a misogynist, to expect women to function under the same precepts as men is sexist etc.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

@hellionthesage I guess that's another way of looking at it.

[hellionthesage]

Thats not really a way to look at it, thats what statistical facts and historical facts are showing us (this is not the first time these situations have occured and likely won't be the last. However in each scenario it ended in collapse).

[thorthorley]

Bring back the downvote. This guy, seriously.

[popsickle]

Western women didn't have much of a say in the past, so they just put up with shit. Now they have a say so the family unit is changing. Makes sense. Takes time for new dynamics.

Abortion is a debated topic among both genders so can't exactly turn it into a gender thing.

[hellionthesage]

Actually thats entirely false, provably so. Unless you think men wanted to go to prison because of their wives debt? Or go to war or be forced into bucket brigades or posses all incredibly dangerous while women stayed in safety? Women and children first, was that also them beign forced into the situation? Because I do not recall ever coming across any account of women rebeling against this and putting themselves in harms way as men where expected to do for all of history. What about when men where expected to fight to the death for a womans "honor" is that also something that was forced onto women or forced onto men seeing as how women choose who they reproduce with and how their male children are raised and by extention what values they have?

[popsickle]

@hellionthesage i have no idea how to respond to you. you took a simple point and blew it out of proportion. this isn't a gender war.

[hellionthesage]

You said women didn't have much say in the past and just put up with shit ie they where opressed,. I pointed out that this is false, provably so and the only way you can come to that conlcusion is if you completely ignored all the responsibilities that men had, which where significanly more then what women had, so much in fact that the biggest opponent to feminism and womens suffrage was other women since they didn't want the responsibilities that men had. I didn't turn this into a gender war, you stated something that was inaccurate, I was merely pointing that out. And again abortion is a gender issue as it gives women reproductive and parental rights that men don't have making it very much a gender issue.

[popsickle]

@hellionthesage Men had their shit, but I was talking about women since this post is about the changes in Western women. It is possible to talk about one gender without the other...

[popsickle]

@hellionthesage You spend far too much time arguing men vs women on this website, I can't really entertain that. You carry on though.

[hellionthesage]

Only because society refuses to acknowledge their is an issue, especially women. And your comment has nothing to do with your initial comment or my response to it. But what ever your response is unsuprising, carry on.

[lightbulb27]

Have to agree with this to a large extent... women may be free, but they are freely choosing bad options. Garden of Eden all over again... and the men go along with it as well.. shame on them too.

[genuinlysensitive]

But much of it isn't what we would call free will it is using psychology to manipulate people into thinking it is their choice. See the film "The Century of the Self." Its about how Marketing has been used to manipulate people for the past hundred years or so. Same thing with western women.

[lightbulb27]

@genuinlysensitive I'll have to watch, but I agree with what you said. someone is defining the agenda through media... and it is bad... almost like they intentially want to disrupt the family and stimulate divorce and chaos... for the economy?

[genuinlysensitive]

Not so much the economy, at least for us. I mean look at who is making out like bandits. Extremely rich people, multinational corporations, their pet politicians, and a few select well funded biased political groups such as feminism. Also, if you've noticed the birthrate among Western countries is in the toilet, some are actually less than China with it's limited child policy. This is no accident.

[SleepyChan]

First off don't blame one gender, blame society as a whole. Women aren't destroying the moral fiber of society. It's half-baked ideologies like these that do a fine job alone. It would be nice to see your statistics you based this article on.

By the way, who cares if a woman wants to go into the military. It's awesome that someone wants to fight for our rights and keep us free, regardless of gender or sexuality. The reason people actually care about miscarriage is because a majority of the women wanted their baby but due to circumstances, lost it. If a woman wants to abort her baby, let her. Especially if she's an alcoholic and drug addict. It would be horrible bringing up the child in such an awful environment.

[bobbyxx]

If a woman wants to abort her baby let her. What messed up shit is that. That is worse than saying if a paedophile wants to rape and murder school girls let him.

[Careless_Whisper]

Nope, western women have destroyed the family unit and are harming society. The military will also be ruined by women.

[SleepyChan]

@bobbyxx Comparing paedophilia and abortion is like comparing apples and oranges but then again, you'll never be able to understand what it's like to have laws passed on your body. It's not worth debating this topic.

[bobbyxx]

Get over your sense of entitlement sleepy chan.

[SleepyChan]

@bobbyxx Not until you pull your head out of the sand.

[hipooplol13]

ok so a few things you think it would be better to let a child be born unloved into the world, un wanted, undesired and in terrible circumstances instead of ending it before it even has a chance to think (therefore to care what is going on?) And you say woman destroyed the family unit? My dad cheated on so many different wives i still have no idea how he keeps getting a new one. He is a complete fucking asshole and i remember waking up to my mom crying because of him. Totally her fault right?

[EstellaLynn]

Gosh, I'm so proud to be a westernized woman. (I'm not being sarcastic) I'm also glad I know now to stay away from hateful, sexist men like you. :-b

[JuicyBrain]

Can we please stop telling women what they should do and let them live their lives without pressuring them to be like this or like that, just like guys get to do? ok thanks, bye !

[genuinlysensitive]

You mean like stop telling them they are worthless slaves if they "choose" to be housewives? Yea lets do that!

[somebodysaycheese]

Im not trying to be funny but a hundred percent serious. Have you ever thought about seeing a psychiatrist or going gay? Im sure cis gender men and transwomen are a way to go.

[FallOutBoy2001]

You can't "go gay"

[somebodysaycheese]

@FallOutBoy2001 lol, yea you can. Soon enough you will realize this

[FallOutBoy2001]

You can't but ok then

[somebodysaycheese]

@FallOutBoy2001 to say you can't means you are born that way , never been proven. And you should tell the romans and the greeks you can't go gay. They did.

[FallOutBoy2001]

Never been proved that you aren't born gay. There's a big difference between engaging in gay sex and being gay (dating the same sex and being physically attracted to them)

[Supersaiyen]

@FallOutBoy2001 What if being gay was part of a gene. What if a lot Greeks contracted the gay gene. Rofl

[FallOutBoy2001]

@Supersaiyen you know that is a theory, that it's partially caused by a gene. Other scientists thinks it's caused by a gene switch, which is switched by certain hormones at birth

[somebodysaycheese]

@FallOutBoy2001 more science is showing its a hormonal problem during puberty. But right now is all theories and speculation until science knows for sure which they will soon.

[FallOutBoy2001]

Where are those studies indicating that it's hormonal

[somebodysaycheese]

@FallOutBoy2001 well, first if you ever known gay people who transition you know they fear going straight because it happens. Certain meds change your orientation, strokes... etc google if you wanna learn ignore it if you dont. Whatever idc

[FallOutBoy2001]

I'd say yes, meds and strokes might do it, as they mess with the brain, but you can't snap your fingers and be attracted to someone you weren't before

[somebodysaycheese]

@FallOutBoy2001 you can. History has proven it, we are doing it now. Noone thinks for themselves we are molded by social norms, cues and expectations. LGBT is glamorized today therfore people want to feel apart of it and do.

[FallOutBoy2001]

Wel I can't argue with an idiot. I give up

[Careless_Whisper]

@FallOutBoy2001 Both of you are idiots

[somebodysaycheese]

@FallOutBoy2001 yea, generally people who dont like facts call someone an idiot.. lol

[Careless_Whisper]

Oh the irony

[Barrabus_the_Free]

This society needs to go anyway.

Look, the way it used to be, you had to wife a bitch up to get sex. Basically you became a slave to get access to a hole. How much sense does that make? Fuckin NONE. And there was a better than even chance those kids you were raising weren't yours, you just thought they were.

Now, there's still a better than even chance those kids you think are yours really aren't, but at least you don't have to sell yourself into slavery in order to get sex anymore.

Sure, women are more unhappy than ever. Sure, their anti-depressant use and cock count are through the roof.

But that's not exactly your problem, now is it? Not unless you're dumb enough to put a ring on one and sell yourself into slavery.

[Careless_Whisper]

What's slavery about love and commitment?

[noneoftheabove]

Just a question for all the argumentative types, what do you think about all of the men who run away and leave a WOMAN to raise a child on her own?

as far as my opinion goes, society will continue to go downhill if people dont start accepting responsibility for their choices. i dont think you can blame an entire gender on society being the way it is or increasingly getting worse. many contributing factors cause society to be the way it is. the biggest one being an individuals ego.

[PinkBunnyBunBun]

And with the mindset of society at the moment, there isn't a lot we can do to stop it, except strengthen our own families and help others striving for the same goal. We can love and teach our own children to be conscientious loving citizens and how they can achieve the most happiness out of family life as well. I think that will bring us more fulfilment than spiralling into a pit of despair haha.

[MinjiC]

If you think women are such a problem, just go gay. Don't be so negative, it's stressing you out and stress makes you ugly on the inside and the outside. You need to let go of that negative energy, you can't attract a partner with such a negative aura. And hey, it doesn't matter what women are doing, there will always be a past, a present and a future for the western society. It will only be fucked up as long as wars continue.

[xXHelenaoftroyXx]

Hey, next time a woman gets raped, I'm gonna tell her that, "if she thinks men are such a problem, just go gay," or the next time a moron whines about wars, I'm gonna say, "if men are such a problem, go gay." You fucking idiot.

[MinjiC]

@xXHelenaoftroyXx He's bashing women for being such a big problem in society and the cause of every problem. He didn't mention being raped by a woman so you whatever you are tying to get at is invalid. If you agree that women are such a problem in this society, why would you make such a comments? I never once said men a big problem on society and I didn't agree with the person who has such negative feelings towards women. I want equality, not this divide among people. You didn't read properly, it's evident in your comment. What I was saying is he is seeing things wrong, he should be directing his anger towards people starting wars, not women who are trying to live their lives peacefully as he mentioned that broken families are because of women. Not true. An abusive, neglective and/or selfish parent is the cause of a broken family. Your comment makes you look ignorant. Your terrible sarcasm makes you looks idiotic too. I suggest you delete your comment and try again.

[Careless_Whisper]

But western women ARE destroying the family unit, with the help of the family courts.

[MinjiC]

So what you are saying is that men have no help in this breakng of the family unit? That men have nothing to do with broken families? How many men have gotten themselves into jail and torn their family apart because they couldn't act responsibly? There are so many women who try to keep their families together by taking their children to see their criminal fathers, so many women who want the best for their families but if their husbands or partners cannot act responsibly or the way that he should towards their wife and children, then he should be blamed for the first breaking up of a family. He was the foundation. I'm not trying to be biased and saying it is only the husband's fault, it works both ways too and sometimes other people are involved. You cannot blame females for breaking family units when there are millions of cases of men who also break them up.

[Careless_Whisper]

Well of course any idiot knows that some men do indeed break up families, but the overwhelming majority of the time it is women. How do I know this? Simply because when the divorce laws were changed to benefit women and women gained more power, divorce rates went right up and the family unit started to fall apart, where the majority of divorces were instigated by women, due to the family court laws and the feminist movement, which encouraged women to abandon marriage and family and focus on education and career.

[MinjiC]

It isn't "some men", it's a lot of men. If most of the time it's women who divorce men there has to be a good reason for that marriage to have failed or that family to have broken up. There would be a good reason. You're focusing on the surface when there is much deeper and more detailed information below that surface. The divorce laws were put in place to protect women. Marital rape, have you heard of that? Have you heard of infidelity? Do you know what Self-Respect means? Do you know what protection is? What about Domestic Violence? Harassment? Abuse? Do you know these things? Sure they benefit women, and every woman has a right to leave a marriage if they are being abused or feel they are being used. You need help if you think that abuse is okay and a woman should just allow it to continue and stay in their marriage.

[Careless_Whisper]

Actually there have been studies, and I can find them if you really want to research them, that have showed many women divorce good men for selfish reasons. I even saw one woman on a video who admitted that she divorced her husband because he was "too nice." There have been studies that have repeatedly shown that very often women will leave good men who are innocent, simply because a woman can benefit financially from a divorce and get full custody of the children. The divorce laws changed for the worst. They were not balanced. They were changed to encourage women to divorce their husbands, even good husbands. In fact, women will usually divorce good husbands and stay with the bad ones. Since women have been given more power, the family unit has crumbled. Screw western women.

[MinjiC]

I'm not even going to entertain this anymore. I'm not going to keep argue with you over your patriarchal beliefs. Live in Saudi Arabia, you'd like it. There's nothing there for your to complain about.

[Careless_Whisper]

Everything I've said is true and if you're not interested in the truth then I'm more than happy for you to go away.

[thisGUYknows]

All these guys hating feminism and "feminazis" and western women bashing are just projecting their own insecurities onto society. Don't blame others because the girls you like don't like you. I could go on but...

1.bp.blogspot.com/.../morgan-freeman.gif

[Careless_Whisper]

Oh look, another white knight.

[Silas3998]

I was about to say the same thing haha

[hellionthesage]

Dismissal of an argument is not the same as proving it wrong, its a forfeiture of the argument. If your going to comment at least provide an argument.

[Indigo91]

The thing is these beta orbiters are even more of a problem than feminists or western whores that are making matters worse... maybe we should just focus on mangina's instead lol