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My Stance On The Abortion Debate

My Stance On The Abortion Debate

If abortion becomes illegal, its going to continue to happen. But it'll be unsafe and without doctors. Just like there are illegal drugs and guns still being sold and used, abortions will still occur. Which is damaging to the mother and the fetus if it happens to survive.

Women are going to end up dying because they had an unsafe (which may mean unclean) abortion, or the pregnancy is life threatening.

Sometimes women also get abortions because the baby will be born with autism or another health defect due to pregnancy complications. Sometimes women get abortions because their BD left them and they can't do it alone.

Sometime women get abortions because they were raped. Sometimes women get abortions because they can't afford the baby or simply don't want it. Or they're too mentally or physically unfit to care for the baby. I am pro choice, but you can't say women can't abort a baby if birth control will be harder to access and everyone decides to start adopting and never have a baby of their own.

We're already overpopulating the earth. Besides, I respect if you would never get an abortion. That is YOUR choice. That's the reason I am pro choice. You can decide to keep the fetus or rid of it. The fetus is usually aborted within the first 3 months.

The only time a late term termination happens is if the mother will die. You can't say she can't get rid of it, have her die but the baby live. You aren't being pro life you're being pro birth, but that doesn't mean you'd take care of their kid.

When a fetus is to be aborted it will not and cannot feel any pain. It is injected with a needle and safely removed. It is not torn apart limb from limb because it will not be developed enough to even have limbs.

If you're going to support or protest anything make sure you do your own damn research, don't rely on photos or articles on Facebook. Besides, having a baby is a choice for a woman, not a necessity. Don't take my word for it tho, I'm just a woman who never wanted kids. Do your research and then come back to me.

*side note: you CAN be pro life personally but pro choice politically. Meaning you'd never get an abortion yourself but you understand other women should have the choice.

Also, this is not meant to spark a debate. You can state if you agree or disagree but do not start fights or you'll be immediately blocked. I respect your opinion, just respect mine and everyone else's.

My Stance On The Abortion Debate

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  • Although I'm against abortion and disagree with some of your beliefs for instance that a fetus doesn't feel any pain at all. I just feel that it's not fair to say that unless you've experienced it and you nor I have because we're both still here but anyway...

    I agree with you regardless of what Amendment Trump passes abortiond will still happen just illegally which isn't good and dangerous to women and girls and especially to the little creatures that never had a chance. Hopefully though best case scenario though if it is passed just like 21st Amendment was passed to cancel out the 18th Amendment with the Prohibition on alcohol they'll pass one to cancel out this one as well.

    • I did my research and its proven the first month or two of development they don't feel anything. They don't have anything to feel WITH. And the fetus is injected with a needle whivh doesn't hurt it.

    • If that is the case then how are they being injected with a needle? Also what about once they're past the first two months? No disrespect to you and I'm not trying to debate I'm just interested.

    • The... fetus... gets injected... with a needle. It isn't that hard to understand. They're still developing, they're not necessarily feeling any pain, or anything really.

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  • In my mind, the decision on this is made as soon as you answer the question: when does life begin?

    If you believe that life begins at conception, you are anti-abortion. It is not just about your body; it is also about the body of the child inside of you. Abortion is the murder of a helpless human being.

    If you believe that life begins at birth or shortly before, then you are pro-choice. It is your body and your choice.

    The pro-choice crowd would have a bit more credibility if there weren't a significant number of women who use abortion as their means of birth control.

    • I agree it shouldn't be used as birth control. But, the moment pro-lifers begin handing out birth control and condoms rather than saying "don't have sex" I'll believe they're actually pro life and not pro birh.

    • Pro birth*

    • Exactly. Condoms are difficult to get. Have to drive 30 minutes to get 10 from the health department. Not everyone can afford to make a drive like that every time they need condoms. They should give the number you need if you're not allowed to have an abortion! If abortions are banned at least make contraception free.

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  • "Women are going to end up dying because they had an unsafe (which may mean unclean) abortion..."

    See this right here is hard for me to see as a justification for the abortion debate. I find it unreasonable to care about the death of murderers more than their victims. How is saying a woman would kill herself a reason to let her kill her child? And I don't see someone who is risking death for something that had such an easy prevention as wearing a condom to mentally be in the place to decide that a child shouldn't be able to live. If you weren't forced to have sex, you have the decision to put a condom on. Someone who chooses not to prevent something they don't want isn't someone with enough cause-and-effect capability to decide between life and death, especially for a creature who has no choice or say in the matter

    I think women who were raped and have children who would be born with deformities and will die without an abortion should have the option to abort, but there should be limitations. There are good reasons to abort children, but refusing to wear condoms isn't one of them. And I personally don't know anybody who is pro-life that actually believes raped women should be forced to bear children from rape or incest or any of the no-brainer reasons. People are generally pretty liberal with the decent reasons

    For now, abortion is your choice. But wearing or not wearing a condom was your choice as well, and you chose the wrong one

    • Ok hun I know a few pro lifers who are against abortiona AT ALL. If it means the mother dies then they're okay with it. That's why I included that. Yes it is their choice to use a condom or not, but it should also be their choice to abort the fetus for any reasons listed above. I never want a child and if an accident happens (say the condom breaks or my birth control didn't protect against it that ONE time) I would abort that fetus as soon as I found out- If I cannot financially support it. If I have the money to, I would keep it even if I didn't want it, because once it was born Is when I'd accept it.

  • I respectfully disagree. Here's why...

    My stance is based on two things:
    1.) Life as a fetus
    2.) Responsibility as a person

    To address point one, it is clear this is a debatable thing for many. Personally, I would argue a true life is formed at the moment of conception. The cell is a unique/individual new human life.

    To address point two, I argue self-responsibility should be taught on sex. That is, one should be aware of the risks wholly before sex, and they should not have sex without realizing the risk. Birth control/condoms may have theoretically a 1% failure rate. From that, one should realize the 1% risk and decide whether or not to press their luck. If they should have sex, they should think about potential consequences first. Never go into sex unprepared for the results. Don't use abortion as a fall back for poor choices, since, as I said, I believe it is taking a life.

    Think before acting. We need to work on this as a society, but the solution is not condoning abortion.

    Now, that argument does not work well in rape situations. "But it wasn't their choice? How could they think about it?" This is a weak point of my argument. Granted, rape only accounts for less than.5% of abortions. I'm admittedly iffy on this argument because I'm torn between "fetus as life" and "person with no choice in the matter."

    Nevertheless, to address the "abortion will continue anyway" regardless argument, then why do we have any laws in the first place? Laws are there to discourage it from happening. People on the borderline may choose to go through with the baby, because the access is not so readily there. If a neighbor wanted to kill his neighbor, he may be discouraged because he knows "this is wrong, and I don't want to go to jail." Having no law with it is like telling the neighbor "it's alright to murder him, it's really your choice."

    Health defects are also not a good reason. So one would love their child only if they came out to their ideal? Every parent I've heard of with an autistic or whatever child has said they wouldn't give em up for the world.

    I don't agree of being pro life only personally, because at the end of the day, I see a taking of life. Turning a blind eye is not the right approach.

    I only fully condone abortion in cases where it is extreme peril for the mother. Like unusual complications during pregnancy

    • To make it illegal is to take away a woman's choice to a safe abortion. In places where women have limited right such as Saudi Arabia and Iraq, and where rape happens every day, they do seek out dangerous forms of abortions, do they not? Scary back alley practices and abortion "teas" that cause irreversible damage to the mother? In there cases, would you still be considered pro life if the life of not only the mother is in danger, but the baby itself?

    • @QuietFawn My opinion is directed towards the US. I can't really speak for Saudi Arabia/Iraq. I live in the US, and have never been to there. I am not familiar enough with the culture/environment to make an informed response to that. As for rape in the US though, I mentioned that I am iffy with my thoughts towards rape/abortion. I think abortion is wrong, but it doesn't feel right telling a woman who didn't have a choice in the matter (aka pre pregnancy) "you must have the baby." In the US however, abortions for reason of rape is a small percentage. The reasoning here is generally financial or just "I don't want a baby now." Again, having abortion as legal in my eyes condones it through law. I do not believe that every woman (or most, for that matter) who has gotten an abortion would do so if it were illegal. In regards to back alley practices, we should focus on teaching responsibility before sex even is considered. Abortions treat a symptom, not the cause.

    • Rather, correct the sex ed system from the ground up to teach people potential consequences for actions. Teach people how to deal with consequences should they happen (in ways other than abortion), and teach people either to abstain from sex if they want no risk, and to use birth control for low risk (while still giving people realistic figures of the <1% chance). Teach people to use birth control effectively to minimize that risk. Crimes will happen anyway, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws. We should deal with the root of the issue.

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  • Do you truly believe that abortion is going to be outlawed? I don't. For instance, look at all the protesting and fear mongering (both sides of the issue) going on right now involving public funding going to planned parenthood and other abortion providers. They are not saying that abortion should be outlawed, (that's gauranteed by Roe Vs. Wade); they are saying that public taxpayers should not fund abortion on demand. That's a whole different can of worms isn't it? Can you imagine for just one second the public uproar and protesting that would go on for a long, long time if anyone even suggested that abortion on demand would be taken away? What you see right now is only a tiny bit of what would happen if that were announced.

    Conservatives, Independents and Republicans do not agree 100% on the abortion issue anyway, even within their own parties. There are, never have, probably never will be enough votes to try to shutdown abortion on demand. If they tried it would be head by the Supreme Court the next day!

    As for me, I believe it is a personal decision whether a woman does or does not have an abortion, isn't it? As for me, I wouldn't or couldn't go through with abortion, but I'm not telling you you cannot, that's your choice to weigh on your own conscience. Agreed that if abortion were outlawed or severely limited it will again go to the back alley butchers where women will die to get an abortion.

    I just think we the public are being played by both sides of the argument until we get all frenzied over it. When maybe we need to chill for long enough to gain perspective for our own selves and quit being manipulated like a bunch of sheep! Time to be strong for yourself!!!

  • I am Not for taking the Baby at the "Last minute" and Aborting Him or Her.
    People Make Mistakes, but his doesn't Mean I approve of Abortion. If someone, hun, Makes a Boo-boo, which Many do, as Lame as it Sounds, then Do it within the First Month and Go no More and Sin no More, close the door.
    Life and Death situation is Actually the ONLY time One should have an Abortion, and De-fund Planned Parenthood too.
    With President Trump in Office, this will Probably Change be Rearranged where Life and Death is the Only Way Today you can Get an abortion or Maybe Even Pay for it out of your own Pocket. xx
    Thanks for the Kind Invite. xx

    • *Today, Congress is Voting on a Bill to Permanently Stop Funding Abortions. xx

    • They're voting to defund Planned Parenthood. Which means a shit ton of women's health things such as breast screenings, birth control etc.

    • I feel i tis Better than to Continue Funding Taking the Babie's Body parts. Some have to suffer for other's Sins, sad, isn't it? xx

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  • People should have the right to make their own decision about abortion. Shooting abortion doctors to stop it is imposing YOUR opinion on EVERYONE. Similar to making it illegal.

    Already, in most of the US you can't get an abortion. No doctor will take the risk.

  • Here are my thoughts:
    While I understand abortion in cases of protecting the mother's life (not being able to carry the child), in cases when the baby is unable to live outside the mother's body, or maybe even in cases of rape/incest, I generally am against abortion.
    No one will be able to argue that the fetus is a living thing, with it's own set of DNA. All of the arguments that I've heard for abortion are a cost benefit analysis along the lines of, "I'm not financially ready," or "a baby shouldn't grow up in the environment that I can provide for it" or "I have a career to think about." While I am sympathetic to these reasons, I cannot ignore that the proposed solution is the life of a child, which I can't get on board with.
    Most likely (as is the situations with most abortions in the world), the mother had consensual sex with a partner while unprotected and made a baby. The exceptions such as abortion to protect the mother's life/health and the unviability of the fetus account for less than 1% of abortions. Why should the fetus have to pay for his mother's choices?
    We have so many birth control options these days. Using one of them can make your chance of getting pregnant 1% or less. Using two is even better. If you use them correctly, you are very unlikely to get pregnant. In any case, when you have sex, you are accepting that a baby could come out of your actions. If you don't accept this, than you shouldn't be having sex. The response should not then be to kill an innocent child because of the parent's poor discretion.

  • I think you have a lot of fair points, this was very well written as always. While I do believe there needs to be guidelines surrounding abortion I too am prochoice. Good work.

  • Here is a link to an interesting story that gives a different perspective on things. Both personal and sad, while also questioning society on why abortions are so prevalent, but maybe not from a perspective that is often shown.

    I disagree with abortion in the broadest sense. It is not a choice of one woman. I support Roe v Wade as it stands, and in some ways am supportive of the correct restrictions. But i firmly believe that abortion beyond the scope of Roe v Wade is nothing short of murder.

    www.nationalreview.com/.../abortion-roe-v-wade-unborn-children-women-feminism-march-life

  • I agree. I'm pro abortion.
    It's a choice, not something you have to do. It's a choice for people who aren't mentally ready, mentally ill, financially unstable, a victim of rape, a child. It's an option not a requirement.

    All these men who are anti, nobody tells you what you can and can't do with your penis. You spunk and give 0 fucks. You just walk away.

    Abortion rights should be decided by women ONLY.

    • I got news for you men have a say because men are the one's that give part of their gene's to have the baby in the first place

    • And their choice is to not stick it in. It's very simple.

    • that's not a woman's say to tell what a man wants

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  • "The only time a late term termination happens is if the mother will die. You can't say she can't get rid of it, have her die but the baby live. You aren't being pro life you're being pro birth, but that doesn't mean you'd take care of their kid."

    EXACTLYYY!!! You've covered everything :)

  • Well for starters its not illegal and never will be so their is really no point making that argument. What was done was that Trump stopped abortion from being paid with taxpayer money, its unfair to use money that is meant to better everyone and give it to the few who will benefit furthermore its something that is affectively forcing people who do not agree with it to donate to it anyway. So that's the only real change, its not been made illegal in any way its just been made that people who don't agree with it are no longer forced to pay for it (Pro choice really if you think about it). As for abortion being done illegally, well yes it would so what? The fact is abortion due to rape/incest/defect/threat to mother make a combined total of less then 1% of all abortions. So its not really a good argument. Furthermore you speak of it as if pregnancies itself isn't a choice, it is. Women do not just become pregnant they choose to have unprotected sex and then get pregnant. Its something that could have been easily avoided (and yes some times birth control doesn't work but again its such a small perecentage that its not really an argument as over 90% of the time its personal choice that got the woman pregnant not the failure of birth control or rape. So claiming your pro choice is ironic because you ignore the one choice that actually would have solved the problem before it became a problem, choosing to have sex responsibly. Personally I think the best way of preventing abortions is to remove welfare programs that provide for women who are single mothers and child support and make abortion publically shamed and you would see an immediate drop both in single mother hood and abortion because women (and men) would be forced to consider the possible ramifications of their actions before they have sex. The fact of the matter is pregnancy is a choice abortion is therefore a consequence of the choice. Its king of like complaining about being in prison after you robbed a bank, what other possibility was there? You have unprotected sex you get pregnant this is basic stuff which every one should know about. If you don't then you shouldn't be allowed to have sex to begin with. Over all I don't really see what the point of this take was as abortion is a not going away and pregnancy is a choice. Your not a victim if you are pregnant (barring rape) your jus suffering the consequences of your actions.

  • I agree with everything ou said.

    I think it's funny how so many guys comment that abortion is wrong. I'm pretty sure their opinion would be different if they had to have that thing in their bodies for almost a year, which comes with tons of restrictions, pain, weight gain, decreased mobility and probably a bunch of other stuff. If they decide to not want to take care of the kid, they can just leave whenever they choose to, with barely any consequences. How's that for responsibility?

    Also, the embryo is not a child. At the end of the first trimester, which is the latest a woman can abort in my country (unless there's some unusual complications), it is less than 5 cm long and doesn't have any developed internal organs and you can't even tell if it's a male or a female.

    • I am a prolife girl

  • A lot of people mention things like rape, birth defects, risks to the life of the Mother, all of which are valid reasons to abort - but when you look at the stats the large majority of abortions aren't down to these reasons. Perhaps these women should be more careful who they sleep with.

    • and if they can't find out who's right for them then they don't need to be dating in the first place

    • Yesssssssssss someone else said it. I was about to put this. Even then it pisses me off that people even consider it.

    • @HastaLaPasta let them get pissed off

  • that's the problem that most pro-lifer don't seem to consider

    if you ban abortion it's not going to stop abortion it's only going to make it more dangerous and force it underground.

    • *Some pro-lifers Most pro-lifers including myself do not wish to ban abortion, we just disagree on it being used as a method of contraception

    • @DiamondEstrella so you are pro-life but don't want a ban on abortion?

    • Exactly

  • I whole heartedly agree with everything you said and would add that denying women access to abortion is gender discrimination. Restricting access to abortion denies women access to a procedure that can reduce exposure to health risks that are not experienced by men.

    When a pregnancy is unwanted, forcing a woman to carry it to term can take a heavy toll on her physical and emotional well-being.

    Denying the right to abortion removes a woman's power to make decisions about her own body, her family planning, and health care. Governments should play no role in making that decision for her.

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  • My only contribution is that the father should have a say in the abortion thing. Unless in cases of health risks to the mother, if a mother feels she doesn't want to have the baby and the father does she should carry it to term and hand the baby over. Because I know a guy who convinced his parts to bail him out with the baby and when she backdoor aborted it, he cried for months over the only picture he had, the sonogram.

    • I agree, that's what I think to when it comes to the father being involved.

  • I dont think they should make it illegal. But I dont think the tax payers should pay for it.

  • I agree with everything you've said here, and your opening line sounds extremely similar to my thoughts when I heard abortion was possibly being made illegal.

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