The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

At 25 I've seen a bit... to say the least, but more importantly through many of these sights I've learned to acknowledge them as learning experiences. These lesson, like most only lead to more questions. Feminism is a fiercely debated topic, and one that seems to be protected with fervor as if movement is beyond reproach. Well, I'm sorry, but I've got questions.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

Now it's a broad topic, but my efforts as a true egalitarian demand that I question any and everything that goes against standards that are not commensurate to any and all parties mentioned.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

Okay, ladies, I know you, understand you, and for everything you can be, I personally appreciate you. This is not some quasi intellectual misogynistic rhetoric. This is a genuine, and poignant MyTake on the vilifying of the western man's sexuality.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

Okay, now let's do this. Feminism is a broad topic, form it's principles, to it's theories, to the different sects of feminism that combat other forms of feminism. Today let's focus on the one thing that might be my largest grudge against the agenda. Now if, I'm going to talk about what I don't agree with, I feel it's only fair to double down on how I believe in some, if not most feminist ideals. Here are two.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

1. Her Body, Her Choice.

For a woman, having a child is more a reproductive process, than a miracle in this day and age, so barring any religious beliefs, if you feel you shouldn't, or can not raise a child at the moment, you morally shouldn't. Having a child may not stop, but will definitely alter your life and livelihood. Not to mention the toll it takes on a woman's body, both inside and out. So if you've considered your options, do you. Find a reputable doctor and handle your business accordingly. #GIRLPOWER

However, if there's a guy in your life and it's serious, tell him, he deserves to know what's going on and where you stand on it. Even if you remain unfazed by his personal opinions if they oppose your let him know. And if he doesn't want children, consider having him recuse responsibility for the child legally, and continue being the modern woman that you are.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

2. Equal Pay

This one needs no explanation, but here we go. You went to school, you gained experience in your field, you always handle yourself in a professional manner and do your job with unwavering pride and dignity, Then you deserve everything we get. Simple and plain.

Now for the grievance.

Why is a mans sexual nature such a bad thing in western society?

We go on and on about more fully understanding that a woman is a sexual being that should not be judged according to how she handles herself sexually. Even Martha Nussbaum advocated for a woman's ability to earn capital using sex. Stating something to the affect that trying to give a woman power by taking away the most powerful weapon she has, is insulting.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

This for whatever reason doesn't phase me. Call it bias, or sexual proclivity, but if your safe once again, do you. My problem is why in our effort to "meet halfway" on these gender issues have we forsaken, or completely repressed a man's sexuality socially. Why are we condemned for what nature is constantly calling upon us to do?

For instance the labels we've placed on men to propagate the idea that something is wrong with us.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

The Player

A man who for whatever reason (doesn't matter in this case) jumps in bed with different women with no real serious intentions for her. A man like this in society may be coveted by his peers, but is looked down upon by women of the opposite sex. Often generalizing them as chauvinist ass hats, with no respect for women. Why, because they enjoy the company of women? Because they don't adhere to social construct.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

The Serial Monogamist

A man who believes in monogamy, but not for an indefinite period. Often considered "boys" or "immature". Seen as men with commitment issues. But any relationship is a commitment up to a point, if you love, love, why not explore that love in a way that supports your ideals. Why if a man doesn't believe in long term relationships, he's considered some kind of enemy to the idea of commitment.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

These are just examples of a much broader issue, but the point of emphasis for feminism that is causing a unfair rift for a lot of men, is mainly objectification. I find it to be a bit hypocritical, blaming men in today's society, for something that was perpetuated by consumerism and marketing over 50+ years ago.

The Chronically Criticized Sexuality of Men

Finally MyTake Question

Now there are many forms of objectification, most of which I disagree with such as fungibility and ownership, but sexual objectification is where I draw my line. There is no amount of mental work a man can do to look at a woman and not "see" a woman. A lot of what a woman's body is anatomically, is meant to excite us biologically. So, yeah we know your a person, but damn your beautiful, and if a man feels that way, no one should make him feel bad about that. A man wanting to fulfill his sexual desire in a consenting manner whether solicited or casual should not be condemned, it's a form of emasculation, akin to making women covering up their bodies. Now how he interfaces with women on a more personal level is a greater indication of his integrity. Judge him on that, his character not his being. I guess the question is "Why does the elevation of women in society have to involve the degradation of male sexuality?"

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  • When you only look at half of the picture, you only get half of the story. A man will never know what it's like to be a woman, nor will a woman ever know what it's like being a man.

    These are backlashes against what women experience, without any understanding of why men act they way they do. They see men strictly though the lens of "otherting" and think "I can control my libido why can't he?" It's become fashionable in feminist circles to ignore biology, to assume a "socially constructed" gender. And if gender is purely a social construct, then typical male behavior is the result of programming, and can be controlled. So there is no excuse.

    hence the last paragraph of my current manifesto:
    "And lastly we need to stop trying to turn men into women, we need to recognize that there are biological, psychological and hormonal differences between the sexes. That each gender deals with stimuli differently, and that there are natural ways that each gender addresses emotional distress."
    Notice my uses of both the words "sex" as in biological sex, and gender as in internalized understanding of gender identity. That was quite intentional, I agree that we should be able to come to some kind of agreement on these issues, but I fear that will never happen if each gender continues to look at the other as just an extension of themselves and project their own emotions and motivations on the other.

    • thanks for MHO

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  • Being a feminist myself, I don't so much see it as an attack on male sexuality.
    That said, you did raise some interesting points here, and I think you expressed them well, so kudos.

    You're right—no one should be made to feel ashamed of their sexuality. Sex positivity (for women and men) is important.

    I think the main issue is not when men view women sexually, but more when they fail see them otherwise, if that makes sense.

    When we talk about men who objectify women, at least to me this means those who see women as sexual objects-- to the extent that they don't treat co-workers with respect, are unable to have friendships with women (without complaining about being "friend-zoned"... yikes) etc. It’s not about men who see women as sexual beings, but about those who treat them as sexual objects. People might confuse the issue/not be specific enough, and that’s something we can work on.

    There's nothing wrong with seeing women sexually, provided you see them and treat them as equals as well. Which, judging by your post, you do. So: cool.

    Anyways, thanks for an interesting MyTake!

    • I agree with everything here.

    • honestly how often do you see a western man treating a western women like an "object" in 2017 without severe repercussions? Feminism has so effectively shamed and emasculated men that we now have a generation of "betas" who are afraid to express sexual confidence towards women. This instilled lack of confidence secretly FRUSTRATES most women, it turns them off.

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  • Well for the first one I would like to point out that yes it is her choice and I don't think any one has ever argued that she should not be able to choose whom she has sex with or whom she doesn't but thats not what the argument is about. The argument is about her choosing to have sex, choosing to ignore the many many different forms of protection out their and then acting as if it just happened and she had no say in it. She made a choice to be pregnant, that wasn't somethign that was forced on any woman (barring rape of course). Also the fact that she can choose to abort the child without the fathers permission, abandon it (safe haven laws) or give it up for adoption without his consent or knowledge But if he doesn't want to be a father she has every right to force him to pay her money even though she was allowed an out he was not (This by the way even extends to when she has done wrong as the court ruling hermsmann vs seyer made it essentially law that no matter the circumstances a woman is entitled to child support (in this case it was a 12 year old boy being forced to pay child support to his rapist). I think those are the main issues with that, not that she shouldn't have a say but rather that if she has a say she should also have equivalent responsibility to go with it, no different then a man would.

    As for the second one, their is no wage gap for women, it all comes down to personal choices that the woman made every legitamate economist has actually proven this. The only real wage gaps we have are in STEM fields where women get higher starting pay (thanks to the hiring quotas and the fact that most women hate the STEM fields they have to entice the few that are their into their businesses to meet quotas.) and modeling where women get minimum of 10x as much as men and upwards of 400x more. Other then that their is no wage gap, even some feminst are finally admiting to this.
    I understand your reasoning for the promiscuity aspect, that is why are we not allowed to slut shame a woman, why is it she is just discovering herself but he is beign a player that "uses" women. I would agree with that, at least that its hypocritical, frankly promiscuity is harmful to the individual and society according to multiple studies (it damages the ability to have and maintain long term relationships which are prefferable for raising children for starters) but yes if she is allowed to be sexually free a man should be as well and that is hypocrisy on their part.

    • for always demonizing male sexuality while acting as if female sexuality is some how "wholesome" and good. As for objectification, women do that to women, marketing does that to women, women do it to men. Their is no objectification in the sense that feminist try to show it, look on the cover of every romance novel ever written (which are written by women for women) and you will see a half naked man, if you look in movies you will see men with chiseled jaws and six packs, you will see those kinds of men in advertising etc. so men experience it no differently then women do and women do it to men and men do it to women (it could even be argued that men are less likely to objectify a woman then a woman is a man). As for your final line, I personally don't think its the degredation of male sexuality, its the degradation of males as we are constantly represented as inferior and/or evil while women are always portrayed as superior and/or good.

  • "... is looked down upon by women of the opposite sex."

    As opposed to men of the opposite sex? Lulz.

    To me a player isn't just a guy who sleeps around but a guy who manipulates, lies and uses to get what he wants. Some men play a game with women for months or longer where they make her think they really like her (even love her) just to have sex with her. If you are going to sleep around then fine. Do you. Just be honest. If someone is wanting a relationship and you don't then you are robbing them of that opportunity. And of course girls who sleep with guys ASAP and want something serious are silly.

    MOST women like the idea of commitment. They also see themselves as much more than just a physical being (of course you do too but not every guy). So a guy that sleeps around or goes from relationship to relationship or talks about how nice her boobs are that isn't fitting in with their own personal ideal. They are trying to reflect themselves onto him.

  • I think you are just stating an obvious point. There are plenty of women who have no problems with you seeing their body as sexual. In fact, many women like to dress sexy and enjoy the attention from that.

    Maybe we need to stop pretending all women are the same. There are women who will complain no matter what you do.

    Perhaps it is best to just steer clear of them.

    • That's wild man, I love women. I'll love them even more after Vasalgel

  • Some things.
    I do not and have never have had a problem with equal opportunities for women on every front including front line combat, but not facilitating equal outcomes. I do have a problem with reduced performance standards to facilitate those equal opportunities in order to artificially support equal outcomes. Ladies, give it your best but understand your sometimes elevated abilities and your sometime limitations. You can remotely operate a Predator drone as well as I can but you can't carry John Goodman out of a burning building as well as I can.
    The Creator designed us in the beginning as partners to facilitate the survival of it's and our creation. In its simplest form, men were designed to hunt and herd game and to defend the tribe from aggressors. You were designed to bear and nurture children (until we take the boys over after puberty) and to build and maintain a household and village. We coveted you and you revered us. You validate us sexually for purpose and our self worth and we validate you sexually in showing you love and giving you (and later, us) children which are the central purpose of our existence. These are hard wired characteristics that can be veneered over but never eliminated. There are good veneers. Religion, enlightened by morals, reason, logic and useful social convention, constrain us, particularly men, by our choice. These are long lasting and renewable There are bad veneers. Oppressive government, unrestrained, self aggrandizing, predatory lawyers and popular social trends which obfuscate our designs and central purposes. These are transient, exist only at the pleasure of men and can disappear at any time.
    We are free to pursue our fantasies and dreams but failing to fulfill our designed functions will lead to anarchy and, if not reconstructed, our extinction. Examples? Prosperous central Europe, America and Japan. We aren't reproducing and the Barbarians, immigrant Muslims, uncivilized Hispanics and predatory Communists respectively, are at the gates.

  • What is all of this "male sexuality shaming" I see on here? I never experienced this.

  • I'm gonna write a take about how I'm sick of these takes. But then that would be hypocritical because I would be writing a take about these takes which is about this take.

    • you could summarize your arguments in comments

    • @konledgehunter but that's too much work.

  • gonna try and ignore that part about murdering babies..

    as for thesecond part, i think women have troughout history tried to shame mens sexuality, its nothing new. but it can only happen if you let it. once you stop caring, no one can shame your sexuality.

  • I think the question about this one is "do YOU attribute to any of this."

    • When I was a kid, like ten. I got a boner in gym and someone pants me. It was embarrassing, made me self conscious for a while. If your asking was I born a feminist, no we are all born with certain biases, but hopefully as you get older you learn from your mistakes as well as your triumphs. You LEARN these things they're not gifted.

    • Yeah, I also got pants'd in gym class in front of a gal I liked. No boner though. I was mortified at the time.

  • Trying to reason with feminists is not going to end well for you.

    Plus, if you subscribe to the "equal pay" false rhetoric, that's as far as I need to take your mytake seriously.

  • Her body, her choice? The foetus isn't "her body". It's something which became when a foreign cell (sperm) entered her. So she cannot be the complete owner of the baby. It takes two to reproduce, but only one to kill babies.

  • good take

  • Feminists haven't "earned" anything. Everything that they do has been allowed by the "male" dominated government. Feminism is just a distraction and a tool.

    • Don't focus too much on feminism.

    • If you're righteous stay abstinent. If you don't really car much about that type of thing then just pay for pussy. But Feminism is nothing.

  • Women's liberation has led to the oppression of men.

    People are ignoring this because most of them support female supremacy and are unfair against men.

    It's not their fault either. They're indoctrinated and scared into complying

    • I don't agree that there is some movement of female supremacy. There is baked in notion of male supremacy that we are dealing with. Surely, there are people who go overboard. There are men and women who think a war between the sexes is the only way we can progress. But truthfully, to claim women's influence over western culture, art, politics, business, etc. rivals men in the slightest is not being rational. And that's what us men are supposed to pride ourselves upon. . . being rational.