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Understanding Feminism

In the beginning, women were undoubtedly underprivileged. They were unable to vote, have their voices heard, or any of the basic and required rights of American humans. Now gradually they achieved their rights with protesting, from only white men with land being able to vote, to white men, to men, and eventually, women. The protests was a great thing in order for the women to get the rights that they so deserved like any other person.

If you've heard the common feminist, you know they always claim to believe in equality, however this was all done because women were underprivileged before, making feminism standing up for, and strengthening women's rights, which was fine. However, there is a reason why others, even women disagree with modern feminism nowadays, and it's all because it doesn't stand for equality anymore.

Women have their disadvantages, I'm aware. However, feminism now teaches that:

Women Are The Victims

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That women are still nearly as oppressed as the were before. Women now have all of the modern rights as others, and unless they're actually victims, they aren't. With the feminist movement still going strong and with the feminists opinions on this very point with them being oppressed, it quite the contrary.

Their voices are being heard by the media. The women's rights movement, with strong controversial opinions making them strong as well. Women are no longer politically inferior, and we do not generally live in a patriarchal society anymore. The victims of oppression, rape, sexual assault, societal bullying, etc are all individual, not in a large group comprised of a singe gender. It is diverse, and anyone can be a victim here, not just women.

There Are Simply No Differences Between Genders

There are. Yes, I would agree that the average man is stronger, statistically speaking. Yes, I would also agree that the average women makes less than the average man.

Is this something to protest about?

Are you really going to blame others about something you won't be able to fix? Men and women ARE different in so many ways, such as when it comes to casual thought process, ability to handle certain situations in different ways, but by promoting movements such as #FreeTheNipple, it can throw society further out of balance with female's breasts already being sexualized. Again, there are things men can do that women can't and vice versa. It will always be this way.

Issues

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Is feminism really the way to go for you to be able to enjoy boyish things? To be able to prevent rape from happening?

Feminism Addresses Personal Problems

The problem with modern day feminism, is that these problems either cannot be solved with great protest without other new problems arising, or are so insignificant that you are able to solve them on your own. There will be male rapists out there, physical abusers that will hit you if they're upset with what you do, and some people are just not accepting of your sexuality or personal preferences with things like clothing, pastimes such as video games, or jobs requiring higher physical labor, however unless you're willing to solve this personal problem yourself, it isn't going to change the problem for everyone else.

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If you want to dress sexy, you can. If you want to wear leggings, that's fine too. If you'd rather wear baggy clothing, that is also fine, but keep in mind, that like all people, the way you dress has an influence on the impression that you give to other people. You can wear whatever you want, similar to the vibes that you give to people if you dress really nicely, making you appear to be more responsible. For women, it is no different, and not every woman has problems with the way that they dress.

Yes, I would agree that women get unwanted male attention if they decide to wear leggings, and that is more of a general thing. People will be more likely to take a look if it's out there. However more personal things such as not being allowed to hang with the guys to be able to experiment with "boyish" things is your problem, not women's, because you aren't allowed something you personally want from those opposing your invitation for your company or etc. It's THEM discriminating against YOU, not PEOPLE discriminating against WOMEN.

It isn't about Equality Anymore

Have you met the familiar double standards where a woman having sex with multiple people within a short time makes them a slut, while men having sex with multiple women is looked up upon and men being unable to hit women, while women could have their way?

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These are debatable, but unfortunately feminism does nothing to help against standards like these, yet it's still going on so strong. If feminists want men and women to be equal, why is it that these problems haven't been addressed with more attention? They exist because the societal double standards are obviously unfair to both genders, however these issues are still here, and that is a problem.

On the flip side, I would definitely agree that there are good feminists who actually care about the general well being of both genders. Those that are may stand for women's equal rights such as their problem with the wage gap, some things that I'd even personally agree with, however, these issues are the main reasons why I'm no feminist. I don't agree that women are weak, I don't agree that women are victims, and I don't agree that it's about equality anymore. I agree that people have problems, both men and women. Men and women both face rape, men and women both face domestic abuse, and both men and women are victims of personal issues that even though they may be similar the way feminism addresses it, those issues are to be solved on your own. Sometimes, it's better to take responsibility of your own problems instead of blaming others on the problems you have.

That being said, I used to agree with the feminist movement, but I don't anymore. It's as if the word's definition has changed itself.

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  • Actually historically women where not "underprivileged". Women couldn't vote but neither could men, women could own property if they where not married but if they where married they couldn't because the man was expected to be solely responsible for her in all respects up to and including economically. It was deemed unfair for him to have to pay the taxes on the land, to maintain it without a say in how it was used or if it was kept or not (this is also why men would be jailed for their wives debts, it was unfair to her to have no say economically but then have her suffer the consequences). The only argument that could be made was that historically women had fewer responsibilities and men as a result of shouldering these responsibilities where given a few "privileges" in order to fulfill said obligations. Even then that wasn't sexism, that was biology as at the time men where the ones who had to fight, who had to slave away in the fields and factories (historically even with tools and animals 98% of all work done was through man power (just think about that when you think of or see images of ancient structures like the pyramids or cathedrals or the Parthenon. All of that was through the brute force of men, not people, men.).

    Historically women where always protected as well, for instance their where seduction laws where a woman could have sex with a man but if she was caught all she had to do was say that she thought the man would marry her and he, HE, would be put in prison for about two years. Nothing happened to her. If a woman cheated on her husband the only recourse the man had was to sue his wife's lover, that's right to sue the MAN, not the woman who betrayed him, for lost wages, the money he spent on her during the time of the affair. Women have always been protected men not so much. Feminist have a way of rewriting history because quite frankly its hard to claim that your a victim because women couldn't vote when your forced to mention that men couldn't vote either and only got the right to do so 67 years before women solely because they where drafted into the military, fire department (bucket brigades and rescue parties), and police force (possess as well as being expected to help restrain criminals for the police while they got back up). The fact that women didn't vote because they didn't want to because they didn't want these responsibilities doesn't sound quite as convincing as claiming victimhood. Otherwise I would agree.

    • There you go, confusing the hatepigs and their minions with facts again...

    • @Barrabus_the_Free Yeah I have a bad habit of doing that.

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  • All I have to say is this... I agree with everything you've said here. It's a people problem, not a gender problem.

    • Thank you!

    • @Lopezz1999 :)

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  • It would help if you understood feminism before trying to explain it to other people. Because based on this take you clearly have not the slightest idea what the feminist movement as a whole actually advocates.

    • Thats what you all say but he knows it better than you do

    • @lord_chilled He clearly fucking doesn't if he thinks feminism teaches that men and women are the same and treats women as a monolith. Like some of these could maybe be valid complaints if it were about white feminism, but intersectional feminism, which tends to be the dominant variety particularly in academic circles is absolutely nothing like this.

    • Feminism teaches that men and women are different in terms of men are aggressors and women are victims. Men are entitled and women are oppressed. I. e. men have's and women have not's. But when it comes to things one gender is better at (especially, and sometimes exclusively if its something men are better at) Feminists make the genders equal in that respect.

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  • @Lopezz1999 said, "That being said, I used to agree with the feminist movement, but I don't anymore. It's as if the word's definition has changed itself."

    I am curious to hear more about this statement from you, if you care to share.

    • Sure! I actually remember some time ago, learning about the feminist movement, and when and why it began. Women were unable to have their voices heard, and they were unable to vote. Many were also denied access to work, making them take care of the family back at home. The feminist movement was about equality with women's rights, because it all began because women did not have the same rights as men did. However, they do now. They are able to work, vote, and do whatever consensual choice, so long as it was legal, yet now feminism still exists and is going on strong. The feminists claim that patricarchy is still a problem, that women are still too weak, which is something I disagree with. The feminist movement itself proves that women are strong, just like men, and with it going on, the feminists are now protesting for female supremacy, as women already have the rights as men yet still have complaints to carry on to without addressing the claims of everyone.

    • I agree completely. Great mytake. I enjoyed reading it. :)

    • Thank you!

  • I agree that some of the pursuits are trivial but so what?
    But more importantly for the ones you choose to elaborate on you entirely, totally missed the point

    "There will be male rapists out there, physical abusers" -- Yes no one is denying that, and no one is claiming they know how to eradicate rape altogether but like the girl in the picture saying her outfit is not an invitation, the point is to not make excuses for rapist. Which a lot of people do. Courts ask what a rape victim was wearing all the time, like that's an excuse. The idea that a girl deserves to raped if she behaves a certain way is very widespread across the world and history

    " female's breasts already being sexualized" - Yes and the point of free the nipple that they shouldn't be so sexualised, that they should be more like men's chest because women get annoyed that they can't for example breastfeed in public because their chest is seen an indecent.

    And also
    "Women are no longer politically inferior" I don't know about that. How do you define politically inferior? Because most politicians are men and they are making decisions. I don't think the US would defund planned parenthood right now if more women were part of the government

    • Why is it that a woman's breasts are sexualized? Is it because men find them attractive? Is it because it's a biological sexual organ, or both?

    • Well men are attracted to women's bodies in general but as for why boobs are more sexualised then let's say stomachs, legs or arms, I think that's almost entirely a social norm

    • Both genders have stomachs, legs, and arms. Penises, vaginas, and female breasts are sexualized and attractive to the opposite gender because it's something the other person doesn't have, and it's a biological stimuli. It isn't because people decide to sexualized a woman's breasts, it's because they are biologically sexual. #FreeTheNipple won't be able to change this.

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  • I can't stand feminists to be honest. I'm an equalitarian.

  • I agree with you completely. I wouldn't have been able to put it better myself. People can't forget that a man is still a man and a woman is still a woman, there are differences. I'm a woman, obviously I believe in equality, but in the Westernized world, we have achieved that.

    • Thank you!

  • The fight for equality is not called feminism, it is called egalitarianism.

    The idea of one being able to advance in society based on ability instead of a gender or race quota that must be met is called a meritocracy. Equal opportunity is actually equal outcome, then called equal opportunity to fool those that don't see the difference between equal outcome and equal opportunity.

    Feminism has a meaning in the dictionary. Now female supremacy hides behind the label and definition yet are no long what it was... it's an attempt to create the matriarchy.

    • Yes. I mentioned feminism's origin being for standing up for women's rights when they weren't equal to a man's, and that must be why others have said I should have written this a bit better.

    • I think you wrote it well enough. You might not have all the big words or the missing stats and information they leave out of their (invalid) arguments against you... but you definitely see what the sleeping majority have been failing to see (avoiding out of fear or ignoring) for a long time now. With every claim that's used to legitimize what you see, research their claim. They memorize their bullshit and then parrot it without even knowing what they are saying is part of propaganda to claim victim status, or to virtue signal to the victims. All we can do is also become well versed to their talking points, claims, and narratives as well... and learn, understand, and be able to counter as to why they're wrong. I give you major props just for having the gall to write it while probably knowing how much some don't want to hear it... or want to deny it.

    • I always leave out links to controversial topics, because either people will always disagree with governmental websites, or will continue to say the same thing to others over again. I really don't mind posting controversial topics as long as I explain my reasoning for what I've said if they question something.

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  • "I don't agree that women are weak"

    Except you said earlier that men are statistically stronger than women. (And I agree.)

    "If feminists want men and women to be equal, why is it that these problems haven't been addressed with more attention?"

    The sex-shaming thing *has* gotten a lot of attention. The "hitting men" thing, not so much, because feminism focuses on women not men, hence the name.

    • No, weak as in their mental strength.

  • @Midget_Hug, I suggest you Google on "why the wage gap is a myth" and "the wage gap is a myth christina hoff sommers". Read what Economists and Feminists have to say.

  • I wish men would spend more time talking about how to make men's lives better and less time being on about women's issues. I'm about as inclined to want to hear about a man's opinion of feminism as I am a fisherman's opinion on brain surgery.

  • Ideology feminism is support with the Mens are gays...

  • You've written a solid case against straw feminism.

  • I'm against genders. I do not believe in solving the differences between the genders, nor do I believe in introducing new genders. I believe genders are utterly irrelevant.

    Which is funny since I am on this site that solely identifies people by their least interesting characteristic, their gender. I suppose I like the political and relationship philosophy.

  • The whole bruhaha boils down to religious conservative wanting to keep the social moral intact vs radicals wanting to assert themselves and be the thought police.

    What really got people to hate feminism is because they are growing into a thought police force.

    For example, a girl wearing a sexy dress is going to be judged by men. They have the right to judge because they get to look. 3 guys looking will "grade" her right away over beers. "Oh she's 7/10" then one of those guys will have thoughts about having sex with her.

    Then amount the thousands there is going to be a guy who has enough delusion to go for a rape. It's like sending spam mails. Most people don't care but even couple millions and you get a hit. It's a probably.

    Just because stealing is illegal doesn't mean you shouldn't lock your door. A woman dressing up to feel good about herself needs to know she is running a risk of being raped.

  • I think every single woman on Earth has a completely different definition of what Feminism means and what makes them a Feminist, but whenever any woman says anything about Feminism, they all act like they're all in total agreement about all the same things.

    Feminism honestly has no meaning whatsoever anymore, women just apply the term to themselves and to their own individual opinions and then they start talking like every single one of them is the same. Like if I insult the feminist ideas of one woman who says men should be livestock kept for breeding and maintained under 10,000 by the Matriarchy, then I must also be insulting every OTHER woman's opinion that women should be paid the same wage as men.

    It's really fucked up, they pretty much refuse to actually engage in any intellectual rigor whatsoever, but yet they are gathered together as an army and they are enforcing their ideas in reality. But they're like an army without a leader and without a goal. So they're just kind of pillaging wherever they go.

    They need to seriously actually have some kind of meeting and actually all agree on what they think and what they want, until then, they're just irrational barbarians, doing whatever they want for whatever reason they want and calling it "Feminism" to validate it to themselves and others.

  • Modern Feminism is about creating special privilege for women while upholding special punishment for men. For Feminist this so called patriarchy in the west will always exist. Women want everything that a man has without the responsibility. For example, the whole freedom of harassment issue. "If I as a woman wear this item, she will get harassed and get unwanted attention." This is similar to stating,
    "I want to call black people the N word without any harassment." Just because you have the right does not mean you should do it if you are not prepared for the consequences of your actions. Men are visual creatures; it is their nature. Men will look, and men will approach. Why do men approach women? This is the basis for forming relationships; men must approach women. Women will hardly ever approach men; it is the same principle for who pays on the first date. You cannot teach people not to break the law; if they are going to break the law, they're going to break the law. Women will argue that they don't want the burden of being paranoid because of what they wear. Everyone has to be paranoid currently because of terrorism. Men don't want to have the burden of sacrificing themselves for women and children if something bad is to happen, but the expectation exists. If a terrorist is going to attack someone, the burden to defend women and children rests on men. Another example of women and lack of responsibility: dead beat dads. As soon as sperm leaves the penis, all birth rights are surrendered by the man. The woman can have the child, abort the child, or give up the child without the man's consent. There are multiple female birth control while there is only 2 male birth controls: condom or vasectomy. The male birth control pill is still in testing, I believe. Thus, the whole single mother situation is based on a women's decision: her body, her rights. Additionally, women control access to the vagina. The man must get consent before and after. There are rumors, that regret can be rape. The new thing now is women can say that she was afraid to say no. How can a man defend against that claim? Just the mere accusation of rape makes a man guilty. His reputation is gone and currently, most women don't get any punishment for false accusations. In fact, other women do not denounce these women for lying.
    When will the Feminists be happy? Never.

  • Feminist: White privilege you cis male check your oppression on us

    Me: but what about that guy making is wife dress in a black bed sheet and beating her for speaking?

    Feminist: how dare you! he is an oppressed Muslim and that's apart of there culture!!

  • Work on your writing skills. It was difficult for me to follow your train of thought even though you touched on several good points throughout the the Take. I wish you did this better, it could've been much more than it is.

    • Certainly. There's always room for improvement.

    • What I do like a lot that I just now noticed was your final sentence. The definition HAS changed too much. People are starting to call these modern "feminists" third wave feminists, to differentiate from the brave women who fought for rights the actually didn't have.

  • The problem is even as far back as the declaration of sentiments feminism has always been about privilege without responsibility, gain without risk, and judging a society strictly by how it treats women keeping blinders on to anything else.

  • "I would definitely agree that there are good feminists who actually care about the general well being of both genders."
    There is no such thing as a 'good feminist' and they have zero interest in any well being for men. They want power over them, most would rather they be erased off the planet. This is a mental illness.

    • I've actually seen feminists like that here on GaG! They only stayed around for a short time though lol

  • Nailed it.

    • Thank you!

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