Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Over the past few years, it has become more difficult to make an opinion on misunderstandings between the sexes without greatly offending one side or the other.

I was really debating whether or not I should even attempt to write this. I recently read and commented on a take on this issue from another user, which inspired me to create my own take on the matter.

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Now I recognize that as a man, I'm likely going to have at least some natural bias towards supporting my own gender on these sorts of matters. This is something I try to remind myself before commenting on a particular gender issue, though I sometimes do forget. For this take however, I do recognize it, so my approach to this is going to be the following: I’m going to analyze this issue using data collected by the GfK in the USA, which is a firm that does an extensive amount of research, gathering market and consumer data that can be used by their clients to make wise decisions. You can learn more about them on the about page of their website here. In 2014, the group called StopStreetHarassment commissioned this 2,000-person national survey in the USA with the Gfk surveying firm.

They performed what I view as a decent first look into the matter of street harassment, and so I’m going to use this study as a primer to start another discussion on this here where at least some kind of source is referenced. I am going to take screenshots of relevant parts of the study and for each screenshot I will have three parts in response to it. One part will be what I think the general female view is on it (and i will try to speak as if I am a woman), another will be the same thing, but for men and the last part will be my personal opinion (this is a “myTake” after all”). Here you can find a link to the 66 page .PDF version of the study

So let us begin. The first question we should answer is what exactly is street harassment, before we go any further. The full definition used by the study is below

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Women’s take

Generally, I don’t want to be treated like a piece of meat. I take offence to guys who make remarks about specific body parts, and in today's day and age, we women are more fearful of random strangers soliciting us regardless of what their intentions are. i can’t read minds so i don’t know if someone complimenting me is a good or a bad guy. It’s usually safer to just ignore them completely, which is why a lot of these cold approaches end up not amounting to much anyways. We also tend to be more selective when it comes to men, and so a good portion of the men who go as far as to approach us in public places probably aren't going to suit our fancy anyways, although I could appreciate someone showing genuine interest. There’s a difference between comments such as “hey, i think you’re beautiful” versus “damn you have a fine ass.” One makes me feel good to be a woman, and the other makes me feel more inanimate. It’s okay if you think I’m beautiful, but you cross the line for me when you comment on certain parts of my body in a sexual manner. Furthermore, as a woman, it can be offensive to me to hear men say that I should appreciate whatever verbal attention I get, because as long as I am not being physically harmed, its alright. The problem with this is that I don’t know what may happen in a given situation. Some person may take me ignoring these comments of theirs as a slight, and escalate the situation from simple comments, to stalking, then to inappropriate touching, or worse.

Men’s take

There have been very few times in our lives where we have have heard a woman say she preferred to approach a man she fancied versus the other way around. We as men are always being told that if we want to have a girlfriend, we need to “man up”, “get some balls” and take the initiative. If we sit around on our ass all day at home on the couch, we won't get anywhere with women. Furthermore, if we just look at women from a distance, we not only won't get anywhere, we will probably be perceived as a creep. So logically, we see that we need to be more proactive and actually approach women we find appealing to get things started. What offends us as men is this assumption that we are misogynistic because we approached you mainly because we found you physically attractive. We do gravitate towards what looks appealing to us, but the point of the approach is to actually see what you are all about. You call us wimps for not making a move, then call us harassers for doing what you say you wanted. We're all not one of those guys who slaps women on the ass and grabs her by the arm, whispering inappropriate stuff into her ear.

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

myTake

In many ways, we are entering a sort of global paradigm shift and it has a lot to do with new dynamics at play within the information age that we live in. More people’s voices are now able to be heard than ever before, and it has been of great benefit to society in a number of ways. A consequence however is that when it comes to gender issues, you have a super-saturation of voices from all spectrums saying different things, and a lack of clear consensus when you get down to more grey areas. Part of the first sentence of that definition concern me. Frankly, I don’t know what the full spectrum of “unwanted attention” really is for all women at any given point. There are some very obvious things, like overly sexual comments, touching, stalking, things of that nature. But a particular woman’s definition of what constitutes as harassment can be quite broad indeed. For some women, the very idea of me approaching them when they don’t even know me is considered harassment or unwanted attention. Telling a girl that she’s beautiful on a day that she is pissed off can be quite unwanted, especially if i held her up for 2 seconds by doing so. On the other hand, I’ve approached women before like this, and have had the girl respond positively to it. I don’t expect much to come out of a street engagement like this, but if i can make something out of it, I usually go for it.

I believe women do have a point though when it comes to accepting these advances as compliments or what not. They do not have to appreciate the attention, as some men suggest. But I also believe women have to understand the situation that they themselves created honestly. You want men to make the first moves, but you want it done exactly in the way you perfectly envision it happening in your own head….and these visions of yours can be in direct conflict with what other women within the same space perceive to be okay or not okay. Women could partly solve this issue by doing more approaching themselves, but I simply don’t see a mass movement for this amongst them.

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Women’s take

Are you starting to see where we are coming from? This is one study amongst several which suggests that quite a few of us women (in the USA at least) are the victims of street harassment. I see a lot of guys say so often that its no big deal, because all they are doing is throwing around compliments that can easily be ignored. Fine. Then explain how 41% of women are experiencing physical harassment then? There are times when we do fear a simple verbal encounter can escalate into something physical on a dime, and even the most hardened guy could not say that having 40% of us being physically violated out in public is okay?

Men’s take

Well lets first point out the fact that women are not even the only victims of street harassment. We may not be harassed as much as women are, but you constantly act as if this is something special done towards you. You aren't the only ones who are afraid of walking by a group of guys out on the street that we don’t know. Also, we’re a little skeptical about the 65% number. Women consider the littlest things as harassment these days, and I’m sure if you did further control variables, this number would be a lot smaller. In terms of the 41% number, none of us are saying that it is okay to escalate things in that nature, but you should keep in mind that this is not 40% of women experiencing this. It is 40% of women who are actually a victim of street harassment, a phenomenon which we do not belleve even occurs as often as some women claim.

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

myTake

Now, I don’t really like to base opinions like this on one study, but if it is true that 40% of women who have been a victim of street harassment report physical escalation when they are out in public, I think that is pretty devastating. Now as I said in the beginning, there is nuance in all of this, so its not to say that 40% of those women were raped or something that egregious, but certainly I believe its within men's power to not take it that far, if you absolutely have to approach women in public. This is something guys are fully in control over, so in this sense, street harassment is a problem. But my take on this has been that people generally already know that groping and things of that nature are not okay. The problem is with people who know this but just don’t care, because they want what they want.

Many guys feel targeted with these campaigns like HeForShe, because it makes guys feel like we are responsible for the actions of other men, and its up to us to do something about it. There are already laws in place that protect women from things like inappropriate touching, and stalking, so I’m left scratching my head at times saying what more do women want me to do? Perhaps they want increased police presence and surveillance cameras on every block. That certainly might help with the harassment problem, but remember that often the solution to one problem, can create a fresh new problem. How comfortable would Americans feel with an increased police presence, and cameras everywhere as they seem to have in Britain?

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

myTake (cont..)

So this really is an extension of the previous set of data, so I’ll just do my take on it. Here we get down to the nitty gritty of what kinds of actions are viewed as harassment, at least in this study. First obvious thing is that this affects women quite a bit more than it does men according to this study. This is not surprising, considering that women are usually too [insert whatever] to even approach men they are interested in, let alone saying the first sexual thing that comes to their mind. So here, the red panel is what most women who have experienced some form of street harassment seem to experience. A lot of it seemed to be comments like “hey sexy" and “give me a smile,” or something of that nature. This comes closer to the grey area I referenced earlier. Part of the reason why I think guys have the stance they do on this issue is because they are not wired as women are, and they have learned the golden rule growing up which is to treat others the way you would want to be treated. For many guys, having a woman (whether she be hot or not) pass you on the street and say something like “mmm sexy” might actually be quite appreciated. I want to refrain from speaking for all men, so I am just going to comment on myself.

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Now personally, I don’t remember the last time a woman has complimented me on anything looks related, unless I personally asked her to assess me. For me, even if i wasn't attracted to the woman, I really wouldn't care if she said those kinds of things to me on the street. Would i be embarrassed? Probably, but only because it never happens to me. But would I feel harassed? Nah. Even the comments that I would consider to be too sexual, it is hard for me to see myself not laughing my ass off as I walked away. And do not even get me started if the girl was actually attractive. So my theory is that men and women are just wired much too differently to fully understand where the other is coming from. Women have the luxury of being complimented on a regular basis, whether it be online or in public, and men are just lucky to get a quarter of that. Add on to the fact that verbal comments do not really cause physical harm, and you have got a situation where a lot of men think this is something women should seriously get over and grow a thicker skin for.

I find myself agreeing with both sides to some degree. Men have it right in my view when we say “Sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you.” However, the expectation that women should be grateful to receive any and all male verbal acknowledgements is not a position I support either. To men, I say that if you are going to do any sort of cold approach, do not be offended if she does not respond well. It is within her right to not accept it as a compliment the same way you would. And to women I say hold off on wanting pencil his name into the sex offender registry for saying you have a nice ass.

Next we will look at how often street harassment actually happens.

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Women’s take

Here is another point we’ve been making for a while now. It is more than just a one off incident that happens maybe once in our lives. We feel it happens more often than men would like to acknowledge.

Men’s take

Now lets be fair here, we know that street harassment exists, but the data clearly shows that it does not happen as much as some women would like to suggest it does. Are we really ringing so many alarm bells for something that happens infrequently?

myTake

I do lean more towards what I think the general male consensus is on this point. Some people would have you believe that its an epidemic or something, but how much of a prevailing problem is it if only 6% of female respondents say this is something that even happens often? Most say that it rarely happens. I don’t think its right to ignore it completely, but this does play into what possible solutions I would personally accept. Remember the comment I made earlier asking women (and i guess guys too) about what kind of measures they would be willing to do to combat this. If only 6% of women, and 5% of men say that this is something that occurs often, does it make sense to respond with multi-million dollar investments into a larger police state which already seems to be causing massive civil issues within the USA? Do you believe more is needed beyond national awareness of the issue?

Next we will look at what women seem to fear the most concerning these catcalls.

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Women’s take

So what you see here is probably one of the most important issues concerning street harassment for us. It’s not simply the fact that they throw a few words our way. Its the fear that those words can turn into something a lot more threatening. There are guys out there who feel like they are God’s gift to man, and if you don’t respond the way they would like you to, they become more determined and aggressive. We could ignore them completely, and still have them feel like they have a chance, so they pursue pursue pursue. These guys just don’t know how to take a hint, and it makes some of us at least feel unsafe

Men’s take

None of us are saying that its okay for a guy to stalk you. A guy who cannot understand basic social cues deserves what he gets. But if you have this much fear of men, why is it that you constantly demand that guys approach you first? Why are you guys always complaining about your lack of male attention? Hardly any of us out there are even like these guys described. The lot of us try to start a conversation in an appropriate way, and you simply view any guy who does this as some sort of sexual predator. The ridiculous catcallers are far outnumbered by the decent guys out there. Again, you could help solve this if you would actually do more approaching yourselves, but we know that is not going to happen.

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

myTake

I think part of the problem here is that there is a growing group of women who are starting to reject the idea of being approached anywhere except in school and maybe at work. The idea of just acting on impulse in a very public space like the street, or subway or coffee shop is just too much for some women to handle. If they do not know you, they just won't trust you, period. Even within that camp though, there is variation. Some say that a coffee shop would be okay, while a subway just feels more threatening, even though there are often people around in both circumstances. Others say the street is fine because they have more room to bail out if they can, but don’t want to be bothered when they are in the middle of getting something done at the mall and they just want to get in and get out. To me, it can be like a merry go round, jumping from one woman's idea of the perfect approach to the other. It can be exhausting, and a lot of men revert to the argument that they are not mind readers, which is certainly true.

Now, do I think women have a legitimate fear here though? Well, it depends really on how prevalent street harassment is, combined with how prevalent escalation to physical street harassment is. Again, this is just one study, but from what it gathered, most women see street harassment as a pretty rare occurrence. We also know that at least 40% of the people who do have this rare occurrence of street harassment actually has it escalate to something more physical. I stated before that 40% is a number that concerns me, if its actually true. So you have two counterbalancing forces working against each other according to this one study. Basically, its saying that women largely do not have to worry much about street harassment affecting their day to day activities or life overall, but when it does happen, it is a good idea to have your guard up. Guys will have to work hard to get around this pre-programmed bias women will have against them when approaching in public

My Conclusion

Street Harassment - How big of a problem is it really?

Despite the incredible information age that live in today, women and men still seem to struggle to understand each other as much as we understand other areas of our lives today. I think men still desperately want to interact with women, despite the dropping desire to actually marry them. From what I see, many women still are looking for male attention but they are becoming more hypersensitive to PUA-like tactics and day game. Furthermore, you have an underlying issue concerning how far is too far when it comes to sexually escalating a certain situation in order to build a woman’s interest, and to avoid rejection.

I say that if you’re a woman, you should consider re framing your position. The typical female response to this tends to be that catcalls are not okay. Many men already agree with this, and you miss the point of what men are arguing. What men tend to argue is that:

a) It is not as bad as you claim it is.

b) It does not happen as often as you say it does.

Because of this, the conversation often does not move forwards. You should also probably self-reflect on what the threshold of your own tolerance is. Are you hypersensitive to any sort of male advance, be it genuine or otherwise? Do you have a very thick skin? Or do you fall somewhere in the middle? I’d also question what exactly you want out of men, and do you think your view is realistic when tested with the fire of honest critique or does it suggest some unrealistic idealism on your part.

To men, I say that you should be mindful of falling for the “boy who cried wolf syndrome.” Do not be too quick to assume that just because you see a lot of misinformation coming from the feminist movement that everything they bring up has no merit. It’s certainly a problem if 40% of these encounters for women turns into something physical. As I stated in the beginning of this, I feel that i will naturally have at least a slight male bias on the issue. I don’t rank all problems people face in the world as equal, and catcalls fall somewhere in the middle to slightly lower on the list of all the problems I’m currently aware of on the planet. But I’m not unsympathetic to women who are concerned about unwanted physical escalation.

0 2

Most Helpful Girl

  • The key thing is the definition of street harassment seeing as men refuse to accept whistling/calling after a girl etc as harassment. I know to them, they think they're not doing harm, but the key is how you're making the other person feel. I have paranoia and anxiety along with other issues, which developed after an abusive relationship so having fully grown men shout at me or be sexually suggestive can be really unnerving; my heart races, my palms sweat, even in the safety of my own car and I shouldn't have to deal with that. I wish men would consider those things before they decide to "compliment" a woman as it often comes across differently.

    "if you have this much fear of men, why is it that you constantly demand that guys approach you first? Why are you guys always complaining about your lack of male attention?"

    Approaching someone for a date politely, is different to being catcalled on the street. I don't demand to be approached first either. Those complaining probably don't get harassed at all or may have never dated a man.

Most Helpful Guy

  • Harassment is a crime of repeated conduct directed at another person after having been asked to stop, where the conduct in and of itself would be noncriminal. "Street harassment" is an attempt to replace the requirement that such behavior continue after having been asked to stop with the feelings of the self identified victim. Women's advocacy groups are very specifically seeking to reform laws in such a way as to effectively make women judges over their own cases. It's anti-freedom, and anyone who supports the work of these groups is ignorant of what they do, or is a bad person.

Scroll Down to Read Other Opinions

What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!

What Girls & Guys Said

6 8
  • I feel like your part on women's standpoint is a bit incomplete. Yes we don't want to be treated like a piece of meat. But what I think it boils down to, is men feeling entitled to comment on a woman's body.
    You only had positive examples but the other day I heard a guy yell something like "go walk your fat ass elsewhere, bitch" to an overweight girl. That also happens. Either way, we get judged so harshly by our looks anyways, and street harassment is only part of it, though a very personal attack. It's weird that so many men feel that kind of entitlement.
    But I think if you understand that it completely, for a lack of a better term, invalidates men's concerns about approaching women

    And I kinda disagree that a big part of it is that is can lead to something more. If you're in a public space, you probably feel pretty safe.

    And a lot of men also do not agree that catcalling is bad, as you claim. As you said earlier a lot of them think it should be taken as compliment

    • I think it can make approaching more difficult if the guy is worried that his genuine approach will be seen as harassment because the guy only approached her due to her attractiveness, an action which requires judging her by her looks. I know that personally, if i dont know someone, i go by what i see... and if i like, I approach to discover more.

    • Ya I understand where you're coming from. But I think if you understand where we come from that shouldn't be an issue

  • If a guy on the street has a female friendly way of complimenting me I will say thanks and it'll make my day, but it happens too often (to me, in my city) that a guy just makes kissing noises and stares as I walk by, says something like "damn you got a nice..." or "hey come with me or some just start walking, cycling or driving next to me and staring at me like I'm a juicy chicken wing.
    Not to be rude or superficial but those kinds if catcalls I think are a little ratchet and only work if the guy is hot and attractive. There must be other, less rathet ways of doing it.

    The perfect idea is a guy that is equally as or more attractive and intelligent than me, who I know coming up to me and asking me on a date, but since perfect isn't real I accept less

    • what do you think the solution should be to ending that? Should it be made against the law?

    • No i find it a little extreme to prohibit this by law. But I guess the most important thing to prevent the next generation from committing rathet catcalls is better education by their parents, and something like campaigns throughout the internet? I'm not sure because its a very hard thing to change.

  • FOR CHRISTS SAKE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HARASSMENT!!!

    This is just the generation where stupid people try to replace objective matters with subjective "truths". Which aren't really truths so much as misinformed opinions which they pass off as truths with the misattribution that "every truth is valid". Which of course isn't the case. 2+2=4 and it doesn't stop doing that because someone thinks it should do something else and the results aren't different for everyone depending on what that person believes. and language is a thing we use to be as specific as possible even with abstract concepts like harassment, the formal definition is something we've already set in place in law, it isn't arbitrary, its very specific and it doesn't stop being that based on personal whims or definitions. so if you choose to take a compliment as harassment, and the law or formal definition of such a thing disagrees, YOU ARE STILL WRONG. a compliment is still a compliment and by very definition is not harassment. trying to make every opinion equal on this matter with the fallacious argument to moderation, is completely wrong, and the fact that people are starting to debate and undefine trite things we've had definitions for in the purpose of their own self fulfillment or exploitation is proof of society and civility as a whole unraveling. when people debate some stupid bullshit like this for attention and start a national contraversy over a YouTube video, it has the kind of sociological impact that destroys free speech as a whole, promotes radical sensationalism and facism and synopticonic lawlessness. If people can't get a grip on this and realize how fucking stupid this entire argument is, then the law will soon cease to exist and all the pointless bickering that happens on Facebook and YouTube will become the new law and everyone will fucking kill each other because they can't agree how everyone else should speak to them to satisfy THEIR subjective definition of respectful.

    • man this confused me so much, and i read it twice =/ Can you boil down what you are getting at in like a couple sentences?

    • its called a grey fallacy. the "every opinion is valid" fallacy. people have been using it increasingly on moral debates to skew things in their favor. just because everyone has their own opinion doesn't mean every opinion is right. for instance, if one man believes slavery is morally and the other does not, that doesn't mean that it isn't. in another example, tom wants to build a bridge and sally doesn't. to build half a bridge would serve only sally, but she paints it like its a fair compromise to get what she wants. its the same with this harassment debate, they're wrong and they're getting their way with the "half a bridge" tactic. and especially with these people trying to redefine harassment, there is already a legal definition and the definition in the dictionary, and their views are congruent with neither of them. so complain as they might, their opinion is still not valid. and the only reason they resort to grey fallacies is because they know their argument holds no weight.

    • You're talking so much that the message you're trying to give loses its strength Andd an opinon is a subjective matter so therefore it cannot be invalid, an argument can be objective, therefore an argument can be invalid. Also should you always be happy and thankful when getting a 'compliment' ?

    • Show All
  • Thanks man for your amazing effort.

    • and thank you for reading =)

    • It's definitely better than the previous 'kinda feminist' take.

  • Wow, I'm surprised by the revanchist attitude from most female commentators, you are far too defensive and I bet you didn't read half of the post. Answers like "yeah, let's harass men and see what happens". Do you even read? NOPE.

    I see it this way:

    Men are often asked by society the ones who do the first step, and they have to mostly take the active role, women for the other side expect men to do it and this reflects in the harassment statistics.

    When you see the statistics, yes, men tend to be more extroverted than women, so that means more idiot/don't educated men will cat call girls with more frequence than they do to us, but the numbers are really far of show an important difference in the level of harassment between genders.

    What the data shows, is that women are drastically more sensitive and make a big deal about it.

    To all these neo-feminists, I highly recommend you to search for Karen Straughan.

  • Well written, i am glad you took a very objective approach in writing this, i found it very surprising and insightful!
    I usually get very defensive when it comes to this because i feel as though, women exaggerate harassment
    But i have been hit on by gay dudes in greenwich village before so yeah i kind of know how it feels lol
    I usually laugh it off and walk away

    Great take with so much research and effort put into it!

    • Thanks man... much appreciated

  • You should take up women's studies in Wellesley. It's your true passion.

    • haha. I've tried taking a course in womens studies and all i can say is never again lol

    • You're meeting hot chicks. Stop complaining.

    • hot chicks who are lieutenants amongst the feminazi ranks

    • Show All
  • I actually don't mind it, It always gives me a good laugh when a car full of people whistle at me or honk their horn while I'm out running or jogging. I do it to people as well, people around here are light hearted we have fun and we repsect each other its a good community.

    • that's an interesting community, lol

    • It's a small town lol.

  • Wow this is very well written. I completely agree with you. I love how you've considered both sides. You've made a point and explored it with evidence! It was interesting reading into the man's take on things too

  • Well written and it gives a round view of the issue.

    • thanks mate

  • I've always taken them as compliments nothing further unless he touches my lady parts.

    But every time my gfs get cat called they argue about who he was referring to. And I never knew "being told to smile" was a bad thing and I usually say thank you after some one compliments me. But that's just me Great take though!!!

    • Thanks =) by the way, have you ever had a bad experience, with a guy escalating and becoming too physical in public?

    • If you count a homeless man hugging and begging me for a money in a subway

  • erm... only low class guys do this...

  • Women could just start street harassing men and then it'd all be ok right?

  • I don't talk to women unless they talk to me first . This is why I think the so called dating roles should be reversed. That will SAVE these women from the unwanted attention. Catcalling blah blah is the negative byproduct of initiating contact with women, guys need to stop and let them initiate.

    • if many of them actually did that, there would probably be far less issues than we have today

    • True I agree this would be a nice solution, but in order for that to work ALL the guys have to stop initiating contact first