"Most women don't like it and get uncomfortable."
Have you taken a poll which includes every woman? From my personal experience the opposite is true. Stop speaking for another gender and stirring an already stirred pot.
"Shouldn't women have the right to go out and not have men bothering them and making them feel uncomfortable."
I fully agree with this statement but if a woman feels that a man saying "hi" or being nice and/or flirty in a non offensive way is uncomfortable then they have more to worry about than some random douchebag on the streets. In fact, if people such as yourself would just shut the f up and attack the people doing it instead of putting these moronic thoughts into women's head that they are in danger by stepping outside then the issue would minimize itself. Society did just fine with minimal issues in this regard for a long time until clowns starting stirring the pot and turning minor things into big things which has weakened ACTUAL and TRUE problems such as rape allegations.
"There was a similar law passed in Switzerland I think, It wasn't the exact same but it sounded like a good idea."
So? Do you have any corroborating statistics, information, testimonials or anything to substantiate this is a "good idea"? Or is this just your opinion based on a knee jerk reaction from a god damn YouTube video.
Let me be clear that I have no problem, at all, none, with a law that helps control a situation out of hand. However, you have provided this suggestion thus the reasoning falls to you to prove it is a good idea. All I see so far from you is opinion, speculation, a false statement, and a statement about another country. Where is your primary source information? Where is your pro/con? Where is your statement of outcome for relationships between men and women should this happen? Hell man... where is anything of substance? Provide those and then we can intellectually discuss it, until then you're a guy with a bathroom shirtless picture...
By the way, I have read your other responses to people who disagree with you and let me state this directly before you attempt your repetitive statements you have used on others on me, I have never had a single issue with women, I am extremely well up to date on world news/events, I am highly educated, and I can guarantee (and prove if I deem your statement requires it and isn't a waste of my time) that I have helped more women through my occupation this week alone than every single person on this entire website combined in their lifetime... yes... I said combined. So I would truly suggest you speak in a prepared and intellectual manner providing source material and legitimate reasoning instead of trying your white knight bologna with me as I will publicly embarrass you if you don't. It isn't your fault but I am just frustrated by this constant issue coming up by people who have no clue what the hell they are talking about and only are scaring women.
Men would literally stop talking to random women for fear of getting in trouble.
Would women be allowed to flirt with men?
What if a guy she is attracted to flirts with her? Where do you draw the line?
This site is proof alone how many people have difficulty finding someone and you want to take away the most common way that people meet and interact.
That would be men's problem if they became scared of talking to women. They would be overreacting. The law would no punish men who flirt with a woman that likes him of course. If he becomes scared and cynical about it then that's his own fault.
But you wouldn't really know if the woman likes you or not unless you talk to her. But once you talk to her you've already broken your hypothetical law. So, no sensible law can be introduced that only lets you hit on someone if and only if she's attracted to you. If a man talks to a woman, and she doesn't want to talk to him, and he still pursues, I think there are already laws against that.
most people like to be flirted with unless the other person is too aggressive or harasses them. Some men will follow you and even hurt you if you refuse to give them your number, it happened to me even though I told him I had a boyfriend (and I actually do) he said he'd follow me home. I mean flirting is great as long as you don't cross the line and make the other person feel unsafe or otherwise uncomfortable because I was terrified and he was drunk so I told the bartender and he had the police actually escort me home and arrested him because he was threatening to hurt me it was insane. Buuut most people should have the comment sense not to be total creepy assholes and are able to handle rejection without flipping out so most of the time flirting is enjoyable.
Of course that man should have went to prison. That's an extreme case. I am talking about men who flirt with women who aren't interested and it makes the woman feel uncomfortable and nervous and feel objectified. Women shouldn't have to put up with that either.
yeah I agree that also happens a lot but it would be a hard law to enforce. I just don't know why some men are so persistent like if I tried flirting with someone who obviously wasn't interested I'd leave them alone. I just think it would be very difficult to enforce because it's kind of vague.
It would be fun for the police also. They could catch men themselves by having a attractive female officer pose as a civilian and an undercover male cop looking on. The woman could just smile at some random man and if he took it the wrong way like many sick minded men do and he went up to her flirting then they could bust him. Same as how there are some cases of female cops pretending to be a hooker and then busting the men that try to pay them for sex.
Of course NOT , men who flirt are not creeps , woman love it, it flatters them, there is ways of flirting, speaking and approaching woman without it coming across creepy, i can imagine the population of women living in switzerland has declined drastically coz if i lived there id move to another coutntry, if they bypassed a law stating , it was against the law for a man to flirt, with a woman, we all love men flirting with us, a law like that undermines woman, cos we are intelligent and perceptive enough to make a distinction between a creep and a flirt, so we dont need a law in place,
Sure hun. Or I mean bro pretending to be a woman. lol Your picture is a bloody pornstar. hahaha
Go ahead try to quickly change it and pretend it didn't happen bro. You are a woman aye. lol
Sad fact is all the other fake idiots all defend you. You all are doing the same thing so it's obviously normal for you to all defend each other and try to keep it up.
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Female confidence would hit an all-time low. Yes women moan like he'll about it, but most will still admit if they're being honest that it is a little flattering. Annoying also, especially when you're out with your friends on a night out but still a little ego boost.
Maybe that goes for you who has low confidence but most women who like themselves don't need men howling at them or leering at them.
Actually no, I don't have low confidence at all and as much as many women say they don't like it, and don't particularly, it is still a little compliment and ego boost.
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I think there should be a law against public displays of stupidity such as this.
There doesn't need to be a law. Everyone needs to learn to respect other people. Making it illegal to flirt is ridiculous. I'd be in prison so fast!
I never said it would be illegal for a woman to flirt. Women don't make men uncomfortable and feel sick. Women would not be the target here. I am talking about if some man was staring at a woman and she seemed not interested and then he proceeded to walk up to her and try to talk to her and she wasn't comfortable. These are the creeps that need to be taken care of.
What makes you think men don't get uncomfortable when a girl they aren't interested in keeps flirting with them? Men aren't the only ones who don't take no for an answer.
Sorry but men are mostly the people that approach women and flirt with them. Also there is a power dynamic. In the cases where a woman flirts with a guy and he isn't interested it's not like he would ever feel scared or anything. Unlike some man pressuring a woman.
Introducing a law like that would be very difficult, and pretty unnecessary too. There's a difference between harmless flirting and harassing/being creepy. Obviously the latter is the one that should be illegal (and it already is, for the most part). The law would be useless.
No its not being creepy is not illegal, we'll mostly I guess if someone mailed you a dead cat that might be but that's extreme , sexually harassing someone not illegal not a single person in prison for it
@PineappleBreath "Obviously the latter is the one that should be illegal (and it already is, for the most part)". "It already is, for the most part" i. e. harassing someone is illegal, but being creepy isn't (but that depends on your definition of "creepy"). Sexual harassment is illegal and plenty of people are in prison for it.
Sexual assualt yeah sexual harrassment no ie slap ass illegal, catcalls g saying you want fuck someone massages etc legal worst you get is you do it in work place covered by sexual harrassment laws and you get fined (one of the big controversies in modeling you can't sue someone for sexual harassment since models are contractors not employees so if a guy went I'll put you in x magazine for sex or I'll fire you if you don't blow me is totally legal) so at worst it's a civil case not criminal
Like I think has been mentioned by other people there is a difference between flirting and being a creep. The problem is some men take it too far and will not accept it and back off when the woman is not interested, some women are the same towards men. The other problem is some girls think a creep simply means a man they are not attracted to that is showing interest in them and that is rubbish. All that shows is how immature the girl is and it is rather pathetic. If a man backs off when he knows the woman is not interested he is NOT a creep, it is when he keeps pressuring the girl, follows her around and will not take no for an answer and that sort of stuff that makes him a creep. It is a bad idea to ban flirting, flirting is nature, it is how we show interest in each other and there is nothing wrong with it but you also need to respect the other person.
Dude I was just thinking this, because all these girls just walk around and the majority of guys walking around just verbally assault them. Its disgusting, there's no tact and respect.
Exactly. Thanks
"majority of guys" lol
@AdamThomas Should've added, "in my area" and you forgot to mention the walking around part.
Yes and no
No because it part of a men mind, I mean flirting isn't such a bad thing and if the girl didn't like it then he should just stop and pull away
Yes because some flirty boys try to chat up girls and it ends to something really bad like rape and like stalking
I think it a good and a bad idea but you can't just stop all men from flirting it is part of life and girls can be flirty as much as men
Stop men from flirting? No. That is asinine.
Stop sexual harassment, sure. But that is already a crime.
That's my point. If a man flirts with a woman and she doesn't like it then it should be considered sexual harassment. Luckily many agree with this.
You missed my point. It already is considered sexual harrassment if it (a) is of a sexual nature and (b) one party told the other party to stop, and they didn't. And it already is illegal.
That is good. And I agree. But that's usually if the man is flat out being sick and saying really sexual things. Yes I knew that. I am saying if a man leers at a woman constantly and tries to talk to her and her body language clearly shows she doesn't want to. This is sexual harassment because she knows what he is thinking and it makes her uncomfortable and she doesn't want it.
I think we have enough laws that substitute women's feelings for essential elements of crimes.
Isn't this question something of a double standard? I've read a few of your own responses to opinions, and it would seem you feel that women can flirt with men, but men can't with women. On top of that, you're making generalizations about both genders and promoting stereotypes. That said, in my own opinion, a law against flirting is stupid, nebulous, and too easily abused. Stricter definitions of sexual harassment and the like, however, would be acceptable. And by sexual harassment, I don't mean, "Oh, that guy looked at me weird, arrest him," I mean, "That guy is following me, and making lewd gestures at me that I've asked him not to do, get him away from me." There's a difference between flirting and harassment, which is a big portion of my problem with this question.
tl;dr: flirting no, stricter sexual harassment laws yes, and this is a double standard.
Stricter sexual harassment laws is a good idea. If a man is looking at a woman weird like a leering weirdo and she isn't interested and he keeps doing it and it makes her uncomfortable then he is just a menace and should be put in prison for 3 months. If he does the same thing when he gets out then put him back in for 6 months.
Yeah, imo, you're a tad extreme on your punishment. "So, what are you in for?" "I looked at a girl a couple times too many." Maybe the night in jail, or maybe a fine, or maybe something on some record with further action taken if it happens more, but three months in jail on account of leering is a bit overkill. You do realize that by your proposition, any woman who could make the police believe a guy looked at her wrong could have him sent to jail for three months or longer? And on top of this, that guy can't go to work, likely loses his job, and gets a sex offense on his criminal record. All because he looks at a girl the wrong way. The night in jail or a fine or a series of harsher punishments for repeat offenses starting at, say, a warning, would be much better. And once again, looking at someone shouldn't be punishable. Actually following them, or touching them, or making gestures at them repeatedly, however, is more reasonable.
Women wouldn't lie and try to get men locked up and claim they leered and flirted with them if they didn't. Remember this is about total strangers. Why would a woman want to lock up a total stranger. I agree that women's word means more than a man's because they are more honest. Luckily the law makers agree with me on this one because women's word is taken as evidence in rape cases and so it should. Making out that women are lying about these things is a tad misogynistic.
i think there should be a law against display pics like yours parading your body around like that will make women uncomfortable yep i think you hate women and want them to get creeped out
wow, some of you are so insane.
im not insane i just care about women and want them to be safe unlike creeps like you
lol, hahahaha
i'd not have a problem about it since i have sex only with prostitutes LOL
I think men that go to prostitutes are exploiting women and if found out should be fined a few thousand dollars towards an organization that can help these prostitute women get back on their feet.
80% of prostitution occurs off the street, so the 20% are the street walkers or are the ones who need the most help Instead they are the most harassed by police. Threat of being raped, robbed, muredered, overdose, shitty conditions for their kids, and abused by pimps. So they need the help the most but can't since what they are doing is illegal so you want to help. Get it legalized so they can do it safely and maybe get treatment if they want
To be honest people will call it flirting when it's mutual and there is an attraction, when there isn't it's "weird" "creepy" & "eww". No there shouldn't be unless they are saying something inappropriate and harassing a woman.
Exactly. Flirting with a woman when she isn't interested. That is all the law would include is what I am saying. Also men that whistle at women or stare at them. Women shouldn't have to put up with walking somewhere and being treated like that.
Ahh catcalling is annoying but if it was an attractive dude girls wouldn't be tripping out. They'd be flattered, I mean it's good that men think a female is beautiful but they are basing it off of her outer beauty. It gets out of hand sometimes.
Women shouldn't have to put up with men leering at them. Simple as that. They should be able to walk down the street and be comfortable and not have some sick men staring at them and trying to flirt with them. Basically pestering them.
no because then how will people date and find a soul mate?
Men just have to be more tactful and sensitive to women's feeling and body language. Simple.
you got a point. some men are just very annoying! when i was getting on the train WITH my boyfriend, some guy comes and smacks my ass! i think there should be a VERY strict law against sexual harassment. in some situations, flirting with the opposite gender is unacceptable and in those times it shouldn't be allowed and people should be more considerate. but other times, its fine tbh, when both of them are interested in each other.
No, with this law men would have to be mind readers.
There's a difference between being a leering creep and flirting... learn it
Exactly. Sadly man women have many stories of men that just made them uncomfortable and looked at then and etc. These are the ones I support the new laws in certain countries that are trying to stop them.
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Woman only like if they think the male is attractive, then somehow it's creepy. I think that's messed up.
I think the same can go the other way. Some men don't like when woman flirt with them, even if they're 'pretty'. I don't think that law should be introduced.
Agree, men that flirt with women when she doesn't find them attractive. That's bad, the men should know better.
I'm sure they don't know the girl doesn't like them, if they did maybe they wouldn't try... That goes for girls as well. If I knew I didn't have a shot with a guy, I probably wouldn't try very hard at all
I agree, a "creep" is not someone that is not attractive flirting with you. If the guy or woman backs off when they realise the other person is not interested and leaves them alone they are not a creep. It is when that person applies pressure, follows them around and won't take no for an answer that they become a creep.
You need to make a distinction between flirting and catcalling/harassing. There's a big difference.
Works well for lesbians!
That's dumb. I think women should simply learn to turn the guy down directly, so he would understand. If he continues to bother her, then that's harassment and another story also.
It's not a woman's responsibility to do this or do that. The creep shouldn't be bothering her to start with.
Maybe he's not a creep. Not just creeps walk up to a woman. xD Half the people meet like this.
Think he's talking about those guys you hear when passing by a construction site and check you out openly when you pass by on the street, not the regular guys who try to pick you up at a bar or something...
uhhh.. what's the law called in switzerland?
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