Anyone notice how egoistic and attention-seeking MGTOW men are?

[ras144]

If you've never heard of MGTOW, congratulations! You've never witnessed grown men act like 12 year olds.

Seriously, these guys want to make it a big deal that they "went their own way" and constantly wants to tell everyone about it. Then, they call themselves "Good men" and gloat about what women will be missing. Like seriously? One, Good Men don't call themselves Good Men. Two, if you don't want to date, why should I care? Three, from the way they act, they're not men women wanted to date in the first place.

They go through one little heartbreak and now every woman is a heartless harpy. Because god forbid that they acknowledge that a vagina is not a hive mind. Another problem I've seen is lack of responsibility. I have not met one MGTOW that has admitted "I became MGTOW due to bad luck. Dating is not my forte". Nope. It's always "SOCIETY IS EVIL AND IM FORCED TO BECOME MGTOW!".

Anyone notice this same behavioral pattern?

[Anonymous]

Many MGTOW are idiots. Many of them are losers who women wouldn't want. They think they understand women but they don't. They obsess over equality like feminists, they claim that gender roles are oppressive just like feminists, they complain about having to be attractive and do stuff for the opposite sex just like feminists.

But in some things they do have a point. I'm not a MGTOW myself, I'm happily married with two children and never struggled to get laid - my trouble was always finding a decent woman worth settling down with which I managed to in the end, after dating a lot of terrible ones. I almost gave up myself because the truth is that the large majority of modern women really aren't worth the effort for many reasons, and the current legal climate is quite risky for men when it comes to divorce law, family law, child custody etc. And women generally, especially feminists, do nothing but mock guys who bring up these issues or downplay them, then wonder why these guys act this way.

Many of these guys are genuinely nice guys who are just tired of being shit on. The common response is that if they get angry after saying that they're nice guys they aren't really nice guys, can't good people get angry at being mistreated and disrespected? It's also dishonest to say that it's usually one little heartbreak that causes men to go this way, it just isn't. It takes many many bad experiences to turn most of these guys that way, not just one. It's natural for people to want love, companionship, family, so most people get over one or two heartbreaks and they keep searching because giving up completely is quite a depressing idea. So they don't make the decision lightly.

All I'm trying to say here is that while there are many idiots there, there are also decent guys and they make good points. To pretend that they're all bad is just like pretending that all feminists are evil man haters who want to castrate all men, it's just obviously not the case.

[dragonfly6516]

Gotta love the double standards! You're right about the legal system favoring women, especially mothers. The child support system needs a serious modernization.

[burpzzzzz]

That's why women won't leave me alone and I go shopping at 10 pm to avoid them. I have been stalked by women in the past. If only I could truly repel women.

[Opinion Owner]

@burpzzzzz I believe you.

[joeblow123]

@dragonfly6516 "Gotta love the double standards!" I can't imagine life without them. If we didn't have double standards we would have no standards at all. "You're right about the legal system favoring women, especially mothers. The child support system needs a serious modernization." Or a good swift kick in the ass. Whichever works. I'm hoping for the latter which I will use in a literal way.

[Dargil]

I am not MGTOW by political ideology, but understand its reasoning and am acting out my expression of it. I do not have the time or inclination to dissect and debate your rant, so, rather, i will explain my position and resolution.
Nearly all Western women are infected to varying extents by Feminist Derangement Syndrome (FDS), a voluntary but almost uncurable mental illness. Some have become jihad-radical, while others make the cynical, opportunistic compromise of holding their noses and tolerating us for social and sexual reasons. FDS has made Western women unsuited to the traditional roles of wives, mothers and home makers, leaving only sex and earnings potential as reasons to risk being with them. MGTOW as it is often described is retreat. But it is retreat based on understood but unworkable rules of engagement. The hookup culture is a band-aid response to FDS, where we can get a little sex but stay out of the socio-political trap. But the real solution is not retreat, but changing those rules of engagement. The basis of the change is broadening the gene pool. It is finding a population uninfected by FDS. Doing so involves trade-offs, but the long term benefits to men and society as a whole are substantial. Specifically, foreign born women from the Orient and Latin America await. These women love families, children and their men. The profess the virtues of authentic femininity and home making. Sure there are costs and trade-offs but you wake up each morning feeling you are cheating fate. Let Western girls curl up with their rabbit vibrators, secure in the belief they are liberated women. Gentlemen: Liberate them all and start your recruiting process. THIS is Going Your Own Way.

Response to FDS is the basis for the hookup culture.

[ras144]

You can go your own way without being a bitter whiny misogynistic ass about it. If you hate feminists, don't act like them.

[Dargil]

Not a trace of whining, bitterness or hatred of women in my response. You are reasing liberation. Rejecting FDS is not hating women. It is recognizing and rejecting the affliction. Bipolar. Schizophrenic. STDs. FDS. All destructive diseases to avoid.

[dragonfly6516]

I personally don't really see or hear much about it, and I don't really care. I've been in a relationship with an amazing man for 3 years now. He's confident and naturally dominant, I enjoy being submissive to him, he doesn't do anything to seek attention or approval from anyone, because he gives no fucks. He lives his life for himself to be happy in his own way, and he doesn't shit on others to do it.

He was the one who told me about this MGTOW movement, and from the way he explained it:

"Hey... girls? Ladies? Uh, women? Since you're already not giving me the attention that I know I rightly deserve, I'm just going to go over here, and completely swear off dating and women entirely. And since you women always think you can have whatever you want, and I saying that you can't have this now, that means that you'll want it really bad and come begging for it... hey where are you going? Why are you walking away? why aren't you mad at me? What, you don't care? NOTICE ME SENPAI!"

That's pretty much what I imagine. Is that accurate? I wouldn't know.

[ras144]

I love your Notice Me Senpai reference. lololol

[Kauto_Star]

You don't know what you're talking about or just a barefaced liar.

[dragonfly6516]

@Kauto_Star What part of "all I know about it came from a guy who's not part of it" did you not understand? Literally read the last line of my comment. Says right there that I "wouldn't know" if this is accurate.

[joeblow123]

@dragonfly6516 Tell your boyfriend to step up and speak for himself.

[JuliaHarris]

Two things about this situation strikes me:
1) Almost NO ONE complains when women say that they don't need a man and go on about it constantly, and yet when men do it, its wrong. Which by the way is a double standard that needs to die.
2) ''They go through one little heartbreak and now every woman is a heartless harpy.'' "SOCIETY IS EVIL AND IM FORCED TO BECOME MGTOW!". This is a straw man of the highest caliber. I could just as easily sit there and say the exact same thing about feminists who basically say the exact same things about how all men are evil and scream about ''THE PATRIARCHY!!'' every time life doesn't go their own way.
If you want to understand a viewpoint, you need to understand the underlying causes. I can guarantee that any man or woman who has legitimately given up on the opposite sex has far more complicated reasoning than you are making out.

[ras144]

"Almost NO ONE complains when women say that they don't need a man" Because they don't make a stupid group about it. "I could just as easily sit there and say the exact same thing about feminists" EXACTLY. They say they hate feminists but act exactly like them. I almost forgot to bring that up. "If you want to understand a viewpoint" Why should I be sympathetic to man-children? Why should I give them that respect which they refuse to give me? Last time I checked, respect is a two-way street.

[ras144]

If there was such a double standard for women, why does everyone find it cool to shit on feminists? Even shitting on pretty normal non-misandranist feminists. If you're an immature whiny cunt, you're going to be called out for it, regardless of what's between your legs.

[JuliaHarris]

1) Women do make groups about it, its just that none of them are controversial and thus you don't hear about them. 2) They are hypocritical. So what? 3) In my opinion, the fact that you don't want to understand their viewpoint and are referring to them as ''man children'' means that you are part of the problem. If this is the sort of attitude that these men are used to getting from women its no wonder that they no longer want to know us anymore. And what respect are they refusing to give YOU in particular? 4) Of course there is a double standard. When women ''don't need no man'' they are empowered, modern women. When men do it, they are ''man children'' or misogynistic. And yeah, the non-misandrist feminists are shit on by association with the assholes... just as you are shitting on the non-misogynistic followers MGTOW by association with the assholes.

[ras144]

Someone didn't read what I wrote: "Two, if you don't want to date, why should I care? " Clearly implying that I don't care. The problem was never that they didn't want to date women. The problem is that they did it in such an obnoxious way. "you don't want to understand their viewpoint and are referring to them as ''man children'' means that you are part of the problem." So I'm part of the problem because I don't respect men who disrespect me? So what you're saying is that women should just be treated like shit and get over it? Sounds like YOU are the one with the double standard. "what respect are they refusing to give YOU in particular? " When you call all women superficial, gold diggers, and other insults, that's not exactly showing respect. Also, I don't see any men demanding we understanding feminists after the feminists imply all men are women-beating rapists, now do you?

[JuliaHarris]

Wow, this is getting old. My opinion stands.

[Expect2Achieve]

@JuliaHarris is right here.

[ras144]

@Expect2Achieve You mean she's right that women shouldn't demand respect?

[Kauto_Star]

@JuliaHarris Well said the pollster is a mere 21 years of age and has no lived experience of being a man.

[Kauto_Star]

@ras144 WHY should someone automatically give a person respect SOLELY on the basis that have a vagina and nothing else?

[joeblow123]

@ras144 "Because they don't make a stupid group about it." Yeah, they do. You're proof of that. "EXACTLY. They say they hate feminists but act exactly like them. I almost forgot to bring that up." I'm sure as a feminist there are a lot of things you conveniently forget to bring up. "Why should I be sympathetic to man-children? Why should I give them that respect which they refuse to give me? Last time I checked, respect is a two-way street." Why should I be sympathetic to little girls in grown women's bodies? As for the rest of the quote: Right back at ya. You diss us we diss you. That is iron-clad and non-negotiable.

[joeblow123]

@ras144 "If you're an immature whiny cunt, you're going to be called out for it." That is what I am doing right now. Calling you out.

[joeblow123]

@juliaharris If you are looking for a job that requires you to work with retards you should include this thread on your resume.

[vonasaurus]

i feel the same way about mgtow as i do modern-day "feminists"~ the whole movement is cancerous and needs to die, like, yesterday.

both the mgtow and the modern-day feminist are professional victims whose only interest is in "how can i be offended today?"

most of the mgtow i've had the misfortune of talking to are misogynists who blame women for all of their problems and then get all butthurt because they can't get dates... kinda like how most "feminists" are actually misandrists who hate men and are then become sjw snowflakes because they can't get dates. the similarities are both striking and endless lol.

[TheLuckyPizzaDog]

^ this.

[SpaceMapache]

What's this "man go their own way"? They don't like women any more?, is that a requirement to be part of the mgtow movement?, what if "my own way" involves liking women? It seems confusing, I read that some compare it to feminism, but I don't think is quite the same, I've never seen I guy been shamed because of how they dress, or being called "slut" for being sexually active, and as far as I know men have always have the right to vote and stuff, so what exactly are we men supposed to complaining about?
maybe I need to do a little google research on this mgtow thing, but just what I got reading the comments was something like "let's show women they don't have all the power!!", but seriously? When in history have women held all the power? Maybe I'm getting wrong, I don't know
Or is it a sex thing? Guys that have been rejected too much decided to make seem like it's a choice, to save themselves the embarrassment?

[GeekySnowboarder]

There is a lot you are unaware of. I am no mgtow but men have it a lot harder in modern America then Women do.

[NotARealBouncer]

Didn't know there was a word for it.

[peachblossomluck]

I haven't gotten a positive impression of any of them yet, however have encountered very few. I'm hoping I'll run into one with a rational argument someday.

[ThatJarHead]

Not something I've noticed personally but it's no different than feminism. I just ignore it and hope one day all the people like that die off from lack of breeding rights.

[TheLuckyPizzaDog]

I treat MGTOW-ists the same way I treat feminists and creationists and really big spiders. I just throw a metaphorical/literal (for the spider) blanket over it and just forget they even exist.

[Whoeverist]

I hate everything MGTOW stands for.
Because they act like most girls.
And girls are not to judge them because they are complaining far too much about "always meeting manipulative assholes" or "all men are jerks/pigs etc".

They are the exact same kind of people.

[joeblow123]

@whoeverist

We're not thrilled with you either. Are you so desperate that you need to kiss up to Ras?

[JuicyBrain]

Saying that you are MGTOW kinda implies that you are sour about it. That there is a terrible story behind why you became an MGTOW. A guy just going his own way wouldn't feel the need to say anything about it, it would just be a normal Tuesday for him. Wearing your MGTOW membership on your sleeve means that there are some frustration behind it. I think a lot of them probably have a legitimate reason behind it but unfortunately, they suffer from the same problem you have: generalization. Not all women are monsters and not all men either. Not even MGTOW's...

[sovetskii13]

Questions about MGTOW and Feminism on this site always get the same or very similar answers. A couple of questions is enough already. Just use the search thingy.

[abc3643]

By far the best question that I have read all year!

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

Ego*t*istic.

I've been far more successful in dating than any man of my looks (prominent facial scar and obviously multiple times broken nose) or income (I've been informed that the fact that I ONLY make six figures is less than impressive) has any business being. I stopped because of HOW I'm successful: I'm a massive prick. I want a girl to whom I can be nice. Flowers. Surprises. Pedestal. Princess treatment. But that gets you a fast track to the legs snapped shut tighter than Fort Knox friend zone.

Good men don't call themselves good men? Hmmm... I'm not a Christian, but having been subjected to their attempts at indoctrination, and thus having more bible memorized than most "Christians" have read, I recall that, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." I have actively tried to die in the place of men that, in some cases, I not only did not like, but that I actively disliked. I say I'm a good man. And you might have a different opinion. I'm all ears as soon as you've done what I've done.

As far as the attention seeking goes, IRL, you'd never know. Everything about how I conduct myself is to appear normal. I even drive a car I chose specifically to appear like a soccer mom vehicle, dress well below my means, and never discuss anything MGTOW related unless in privacy with a like minded man.

What's really funny to me, and many of us, is how everyone says that MGTOW doesn't matter... except for something that doesn't matter at all, there sure are a LOT of people talking about us. Books about it. And a movie now, from what I understand, but I also understand it doesn't have explosions or money shots, so I won't be seeing it.

[JimRSmith]

I honestly did not know this was a thing, other than via this site.

It really is remarkably childish, and it seems quite common on here.

[AleDeEurope]

Well, they're the male equivalent of feminists, what else do you expect? lol

[ras144]

I expected the rational gender (as so many MGTOW proclaim to be) to be rational and realize their stupidity actually validates feminazis' idiotic rhetoric of the western patriarchy.

[AleDeEurope]

Rational? You can't expect people that reject an entire gender to be rational. MGTOW and Feminists are the same, but with different genitals. They both validate the rhetoric of the other, the one they hate so much. Sometimes I wish the gladiatoral contests were still legal, it would be fun to see a MGTOW fighting a feminists.

[Lynx122]

I don't really get what the problem is. I don't belong to this group but I've seen some videos on youtube and some make good points. But if you think they're children why does it bother you?

Just ignore them and do your own thing. I just don't get why some women are so upset over MGTOW when all they're doing is going their own way, it's literally in the name. Why do you even know what theyre saying and doing? Why are you paying attention to them if you think they're so attention seeking.

It's like you are obsessed or something. It personally insults you that they won't date women or what is the problem? Do you know someone. I don't understand why you're so mad.

[ras144]

So I'm not allowed to ask a question about a certain behavior? Why are you obsessed with my question? No one forced you to answer. So what if I asked a question about MGTOW? How does that effect you?

[ras144]

Seriously, I would love to know when simply asking a question became obsession?

[Lynx122]

It's not that you asked a question it's how you asked it it seems you're really mad and like it's personal. And no your question doesn't affect me you can do whatever you like ;)

[Deuteros]

Considering how strong a man's sex drive is and the basic human need for companionship, add in the difficulty in affordable housing when you live alone the idea that a growing % of men are avoiding women should scare the crap out of people. Our entire civilization depends on mens production if excess resources, it wouldn't take many men going MGTOW to cause major problems for society.

[uknaked]

The best way to treat MGTOW twerps is to ignore them completely!

[Bananaman177]

Are their arguments correct or incorrect?

That's what's important, not your opinion of their level of ego.

Can you even name a single MGTOW argument, let alone offer refutation?

No? Then go curl your hair or something. Leave everybody alone.

[ras144]

"Are their arguments correct or incorrect?" Are feminists' arguments correct or incorrect. Is painting an entire gender with a negative brush correct or incorrect? It's basically asking the same thing.

[ras144]

Here's one of their "arguements":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4hRscE8hkQ

[Peskyn3gr0]

MGTOW is just "Waaaahhh, women won't date me! I'm going to constantly talk about going on with my life without them when in essence I'm really just venting about how much I hate them over the internet!"

[Jager66]

MGTOW is a lot like Feminism, the only major difference is that Feminism controls the world while MGTOW is just angry people talking shit on the internet.

[Nadzzz]

I have noticed and honestly MGTOW is POINTLESS

[Sjeggy]

majority of men NO
majority of women YES
hahaha hmmmmmm i sense a pattern ^^
i think people in general nowadays are looking for a way to feel special, this is one

[ras144]

The pattern I see is whenever a man says "woman are this (insert negative stereotype)" They typically are that negative stereotype themselves.

[Sjeggy]

well no, not at all, what i do notice is that people are incredibly sensitive and defeatist nowadays