Is it rape to use horny pills to get a girl horny for sex?

[Anonymous]

I saw a case where a guy was on a date with a girl and he put a pill in her drink that affects the girls hormones and makes them super horny.

The idea is that it makes you super horny. And obviously sometimes when we are super horny we don't think as clearly as we would.

So basically this girl got so horny she didn't even care anymore, she just wanted someone to have sex with, anyone, she was hungry.

And that was the point of the pill

Some people say it's rape because You are using a drug on her that clouds her judgement.

Other people say that she can still decide not to sleep even if she got super horny and that technically rape has to be forced, rape isn't manipulation only force.

Other people say the pill is forced but the pill is not rape

Thoughts?

[Eugene]

While such pills do not exist, such action would NOT classify as a rape.

Rape is sexual intercourse carried out via physical force, or under threat of injury, or without another person's consent (i. e. against one's will).

Making someone *want* (AFFECTING will) to have sex as a result of a chemical reaction does NOT fit any of those 3, so whether it (((triggers))) someone or not, it wouldn't classify as rape.

Dropping something into one's drink without one's consent/awareness is a completely different topic.

Statements such as "using a drug on her that clouds her judgement": it doesn't prevent a person from giving a consent to have sexual intercourse. Pretty much like with alcohol: if a girl got drunk, got knocked out and got fucked while she was out, that's rape. If she just got drunk and has decided to have sex with someone while drunk, that's not rape.

If latter happened and then she complaints, she's just a dumb whore who can't hold both her liquor and responsibility of consequences of her inborn stupidity.

Period.

Awaiting the triggering in the comments.

[0112358]

The key is the dropping without consent. Alcohol is a great parallel here. If someone gets really drunk but is still moving and talking and consents to sex, it's not rape. If you slip alcohol into someone's drink without them knowing however you could be found guilty. I suppose we could even use a drunk driving analogy. You drive drunk and cause an accident generally you are at fault. But if you didn't realize you'd had alcohol or a drug because someone hid it in your drink, that person would be the one responsible.

[Eugene]

@0112358 Drunk driving is bad analogy because a person can *feel* there's something wrong with him (getting drunk) and shouldn't drive to begin with if he feels weird for whatever reason. I remember a case where a driver fell asleep because he was too tired (after a painfully long shift), crashed into something and somebody died. A driver was found guilty, because he could feel he was tired (awareness) and should've known it could easily affect his driving (which did). As for the rest: in a sane court one would have had a problem for adding someone to someone's drink, as I already pointed out, but unlikely for rape (unless the person got knocked out or was so drunk it couldn't even resist). Obviously I'm dropping feminist court out of "sane" spectrum. So again, technically it's not rape.

[0112358]

A lot of sane courts (ie ones where the normal line for alcohol means 'passed out or otherwise jnablr to communicate yes or no) have a different view where someone is slipped intoxicants. Basically the rape law specifically refers to that scenario.

[Eugene]

@0112358 So again, it depends on the court. In our court you'd find problems for affecting one's behavior without person's awareness, but not for rape, as consent was given (in a same way if I'd make you drunk *without your awareness* in Russia and have you sign papers that transfer your business to me, I'd face severe charges for influencing your state without your awareness, but I wouldn't be judged as a thief -- the punishment would still be strict. And, of course, your business would be returned to you). If we're talking about Western court, I exclude them out of "sanity" spectrum after a case where (I believe it actually happened) a woman was forgiven for a murder because "she was on her periods".

[0112358]

Whether the punishment should be the same or not I agree totally with your contract analogy. If someone signs a contract drunk, their problem. If you influence someone's state without their knowledge then have them sign it would be thrown out. And that's essentially what happens here. Her 'verbal contract' consenting to sex is thrown out because she had her state manipulated without her knowledge. Note that if one guy drugs her then she ends up sleeping with someone else who didn't realize she had been drugged without her knowledge, the person who slept with her has done nothing wrong. It's the drugging not the sex that's the illegal part.

[Eugene]

@0112358 Exactly, however, let's go back to a statement in a question: "Girl got so horny she didn't even care anymore, she just wanted someone to have sex with, anyone, she was hungry". Since it doesn't 100% guarantee a girl will have sex with the man that has drugged her (she can go out and fuck someone else) -- it doesn't prevent her from walking out, for example (while being overly drunk definitely would). So again, technically it's not rape no matter how you put it.

[Anonymous]

Do you have a source for this story? I doubt that such a pill exists. If it did, a pill to increase female libido would be a very big deal for the pharmaceutical company that invented it. It would be as big or bigger than the news of Viagra when it came out.

There are roofies, of course. (Flunitrazepam) It's the date rape drug that gets put in someone's drink. But it basically makes you unable to remember what happened. Combined with alcohol, you get the picture. A cocktail that makes you not fight back and not remember is very different from a pill that makes you horny. And that, of course, is illegal.

[dwiller943]

Yes. Because he's using pills to get women that obviously don't want to fuck him into fucking him when there are plenty of women out there that he wouldn't need to do that with.

[Anonymous]

There is no such thing as a "horny" pill. You're either giving her a placebo or you're giving her a narcotic. In the latter case any following sex will be date rape.

[helva]

The pill is not rape. You poisonned her and this is a crime.
When the pill works in the way that she cannot control herself and you have sex with her it is rape.

[Anonymous]

wouldn't that be like assualt or something? As theyre putting something. in their dri k they dont know about

[katiesmuff]

A good man can get most any girl horny without the need of any pills or other kind of help.

[MlleCake]

I am going to repeat what the female MHO said.

[AnaWryneck]

Sounds creepy

[CrystalChild]

without telling her, yes, yes it is

[Hal2002]

Using any substance that impairs someone judgment to have sex with that person, is rapes sexual assault force or what ever else you want to call it.

If some has impaired judgment, they are not in control.

[ThisDudeHere]

Using any kind of pills is purely wrong and inexcusable tho if it was rape or not is a completely grey area.

[AleDeEurope]

I wouldn't call it rape, since it's not stopping you from saying no to sex, but it's definitely a crime, since s/he's intoxicating you with a substance you didn't agree to take. Don't know what type of crime that is, but certainly not rape.

[ShortCircuit]

By that logic, anyone who is naturally super attractive would be raping every person they have sex with. They are just so attractive that it clouds the other person's judgement, and therefore, it's rape, right?

[WalterRadio]

There is no such thing.

[aceleon]

it is not rape, be horny as much as you want, you can always go to your home and masturbate like there is no tomorrow, if you are having sex with someone willingly whether with the influence of a drug or not it is you giving consent.

[WhereIsMyMind]

No it's not rape, but they'd still be drugging someone which is illegal

[jurgenmeister]

Not sure if that even qualifies as a drug

[WhereIsMyMind]

@jurgenmeister slipping someone a pill without their consent is illegal

[jurgenmeister]

And I agree with that but it’s not a drug

[WhereIsMyMind]

@jurgenmeister I don’t think it even exists, but we’re talking hypothetically

[jurgenmeister]

True 😝

[notallthere98]

Yes, it is still rape. He is using a drug to alter her mental state and make her more inclined to go along with what he wants. Drugged 'consent' is not consent

[Dargil]

Never heard of such a thing. All the legendary Spanish Fly does is make a vagina itch.

[Intraluminal]

There is no such pill.

[redeyemindtricks]

Anti-prolactin meds can do wonders for libido (... and orgasms), although obviously not to the comically exaggerated extent described here.

[VirginiaBeachBum]

I would like to see a credible cite to details about the case before commenting.

[JessForAdvice]

I think I’d like to be out of control and controlled by a man

[jurgenmeister]

Lol I don’t need pills for that

[KirstyW]

That's just a Youtube scenario, right? I don't think pills like that are available.

[JustinTheGreat]

I wouldn't call it rape but its fucked up

[marinesurfer69]

First, a legal pill like that does not exist. Even molly or MDMA doesn't work like that. And its illegal.

Secondly. I dont think it would be rape, but hell dozens of things are considered rape now days that just 12 years ago woukd be consent.
So It'd be a case by case issue until it became a trend then PC America would make it another one of the 100s of ways you can rape someone that consented.

[danpossibly]

yes that is rape

[Nice_Guy_Last]

I think rape would be the wrong crime, because horniness does not disclude consent, where as being blacked out or knocked out does. That being said, if charges were to be pressed, I could see intentional poisoning or some other charge of a similar nature being pressed.

Basically, she can say yes or no coherently, but she was given medicine without permission.