PRO or CON: Planned Parenthood

Yes, this originally was a question. And it still is, since I am very curious as what other people have to say on the matter.

So there have been discussions about the videos that showed harvesting baby parts. I am somewhat pro regulated abortion in some situations, yet I question myself often on this. What I'm not convinced at all though, is on "abortion on demand". I also haven't watched the leaked videos yet (read somewhere they have been removed), but I did saw all of the other ones. This CNN interview gives a brief insight on what these videos are about. Since I'm lazy to explain, I will share this with you.


Planned Parenthood insists that these videos are doctored, and that everything is a full-on edit. While at the same time claiming that abortion is a wonderful thing to happen to women. Personally folks, I'm not buying this because it all seems as pure leftist talk. Why do I say this? Well, think for a moment here; If abortion is all that great and what these folks are doing behind curtains is all so morally good, then why do these leftists insist on covering all of this?

Look, as I said, I'm not 100% against abortion but I have mixed thoughts on the matter. But what if we saw an abortion procedure, what if we take the time to watch a fetus, and in other ocassions babies being torn limb for limb inside the mother's wound, would we still hold on to our theoritical points of view?

PRO or CON: Planned Parenthood.

Here's the deal though, if all these videos are faked, and they deny such things, just as that CNN reporter did, then it comes the ultimate question... Why not show people what actually happens in Planned Parenthood? Invite jounalists to enter and record one of these procedures. And to visit all of the areas where this is handled. Are they that scared that what we might find may be horrifying? Are they afraid we do eventually find babies limbs stored somewhere? Why are they that protective for this to be shown?

See, in the end that's what I find unethical. To not let people see stuff for themlseves and then to form a decision. I think if we actually see these things we would be appalled and disgusted, and possibly change our minds. But hey, we're in the middle of a politician talk here, this matter is being handled no differently that what we saw, say, in pre-Bush elections or something. Even so, I'm more on the Republicans side this time and I am looking forward to read and see more about this.

Nothing has been set to stone though, according to policy readings held by several states it appears as if there's nothing wrong or suspicious about what this organization is doing, other than handling abortion itself. I just believe that there's a human element that can't be missed here, and maybe we should look into things a little differently. What do you think folks?

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  • Well where would the fetus go instead? The bin? A grave? Or science?
    Personally I am going to donate my body to science when I die (so I am fairly biased).
    I don't want to promote abortion, nor do I want to put it down. But people really have to think things through about it first. I know some women who have had abortions and some regretted it, some sort of keep imagining themselves what it would've been like with the baby, and one even hallucinated that the baby is watching over her. It's not always just getting rid of the baby and that's done and over with, continue as normal. No. It has an impact and abortion shouldn't be taken lightly. Should be there as a last resort for sure so women can safely go do it, and they should also be allowed to decide what happens to the fetus afterwards.

    • Good point. I think details and not trying to cover up under an endless moral and political debate would work best. That's why I mentioned maybe that's all people really need, watch how the whole process goes to be able to form a decision. And I'm on the same boat, I don't want to put down abortion just as I don't want to fully support it. "Abortion on demand" sucks in the way that it attends abortions irrelevant of the circumstances which really worries me. But when rape comes into play for example, I don't feel I am able to judge someone who wants to abort in said circumstance. As you said, as a "last resource" thing it might work perfectly in my eyes, but not under the current circumstances. I might be wrong, but it is said to be a standard the fetuses are used for "research" but I agree this matter should be seriously discussed with the parties involved.

    • Donating an aborted child "to science" is the same as killing a Jew and saying "Here you go, Mengele, use the tissue as you see fit." The "science" being used by the excuse is embryonic stem cell research. Which has often been a dead end, and adult stem cells have yielded better results with fewer embarrassing tumor stories. And the number one reason women abort is because they're seduced into it by lofty promises of six-figure-salary careers if they forego parenthood until later in life. Promises that are almost never honored, by the way. Then, since abortion increases risks of miscarriage and cancer, among other things; these same women later want children and can't have them. And are thus denied both the money they wanted and the family they wanted. That's what happens when you sacrifice to Moloch.

    • @ObscuredBeyond Never thought about it this way. Food for thought, for sure.

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  • I don't think federal tax payer dollars should subsidize them.
    Important to note tho: I'm a Libertarian and don't want the federal government really subsidizing anything but our national defense. ( and i think we are over killing that too)
    If our government only paid for the necessities to begin with debates like this wouldn't even happen.

    • I agree, it should be semicolon from federal funds. We're talking about a billion dollar organization, I have no idea what they earn on revenue per year but state governments and the federal government provided them for about $600 million or so last year to fund their lucrative services and programs. It definitely wouldn't be part of a big political argument such as it is if that wasn't the case, maybe that's the whole point of this?

    • No federal money goes to abortions.

    • @bradpants I just went through all of the comments. It really bothers me how there seem to be so many opinionated people when they have no clue what this is even about. This isn't about making abortions illegal anywhere or closing any of their clinics. The other group of people are debating the morality of selling these parts and that's nice and all but we already have laws in place that state that it's illegal. ( FYI they could donate them meaning they don't make $$$ off it it giving them less incentive to keep it in tact)

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  • Personally, I've seen supposedly abortion videos, I'm still for it but would never get one. I have also seen C section videos and for it but wouldn't get one. I've seen birthing videos and am for it but don't want kids. I've seen animals being slaughtered for food, and am currently vegetarian. But it's not merely because of that. I'm an off and on again vegetarian. I am not against death. And it sucks, but sometimes has to be done. I've never watched an execution video (aside from those crazy cartels slicing people's heads off videos), and I'm pro death penalty.
    See the pattern here? As gruesome as some of this shit is, it's sometimes necessary. I don't have to fully agree with it to see that things aren't always black and white. You could say you're against vigilante justice and that only cops and judges should handle the law, but what if some dude was raping your child? Would you really not want to kill him? I know I most likely would. Or worse, if they only gave him probation and you found him in the streets. Even worse he was raping another child or your child again because of the shitty as "justice" system we have? I'd kill the fucker.

    As for PP selling the parts, I don't see what's bad about it. Should we instead preserve them and make ornaments or something? Those parts can help us with diseases and whatnot. So why not give them or sell them to scientists if they're already aborted? I'm not saying lets go in the streets and kidnap pregnant women, force them to abort and take their fetuses. No. But if she already chose to abort, might as well make use of the fetal tissue as it can save many lives.

  • Planned Parenthood does a lot of good in the community, not just abortions, although I do believe that accessible abortion services are a vital part of women's health and reproductive care.

    When I see all this backward bullshit going on in the states I am so grateful to live in Alberta, Canada where if I ever needed that service I'd be able to easily obtain it. I can't imagine having to jump through all the hoops so many of the states force women to jump through, or be essentially forced to have a child I don't want because a bunch of religious zealots believe women should be punished for having sex. Fuck all of that.

    • Canada Whoop!

    • Im not religious and abortion is wrong. How very ignorant of you to think it has got anything to do with religion. It is part of human nature to be against killing fellows humans or in this case would be humans, it is called morals. Unfortunately some people are psychopaths and sociopaths or just pure evil

  • Definitely a good thing! Being practical, why let an aborted fetus go to waste? Might as well make use of its cells to better the progression of science.

    • It sounds as a good thing, but I'm not so sure now. So we should have good faith on what happens to the fetuses parts after tbe procedure? Also, whatdo you think of "abortion on demand"? Should they attend abortions regardless of circumstances? Sorry for the heavy questions, you could answer or not. And thanks for commenting.

    • Abortion is only allowed on demand of the woman, of course. What else? Forced abortion?

    • I fully agree that abortions should be widely and legally available for women. In terms of the "good faith" about aborted fetuses, I do believe they will be used in a proper fashion.

  • Well I have had the unfortunate experience of seeing the process of an abortion and let me tell you it is downright inhumane and just awful. Also planned parenthood actually admitted to selling and harvesting baby body parts.

    I am against abortion and planned parenthood.

    If you can honestly support abortion after watching this, then I don't know what to say.

    Warning is very graphical and gory.

    https://youtu.be/U0vu-NkkxUkhttps://youtu.be/AwdWgr4Ki-w
  • Nobody has an abortion just for the fun of having one.
    PP prevents much more abortions than it it does abortions. Just by providing information and BC to those who need it.
    Pro Life people should be logical and support PP.

    One of the problems is that the same political parties who are crying loudly "Pro- Life! " are also pro death penalty, pro war, pro cutting welfare, against education spending, against sexual education.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuDrLixIMAED3By.jpg

    • They only do that because they're required to educate women before parading them into the chop shop. There is a thin line separating the DNC's favorite launderer from El Tito Mexicano, who abducts you and takes your kidney and tells you nothing. When that line is crossed, you get the Tiller and Gosnell Horror Show.

    • @ObscuredBeyond Did PP abduct anyone? Dr Tiller was murdered by Scott Roeder. Gosnell was sentenced to life in prison. So was Scott Roeder. El Tito Mexicano is unknown to me. You're mixing up things.

    • The only difference between Tiller and Gosnell, is that Sebelius blocked the state attorney general from seeking prosecution of Tiller, while the governor of Pennsylvania permitted the state attorney general there to review the evidence and pursue Gosnell. Partisan politics got in the way of justice, and a bereaved Scott Roeder lost hope and attempted to take justice into his own hands. The real tragedy in that case, was the LCMS church that so willingly blinded itself to Tiller's evils, and let him be an usher there, sending every kind of wrong message. It became a telltale case of Matthew 15:8 in modern times, and the fruits of that hypocrisy always lead to death.

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  • Planned Parenthood is bad. Killing babies, killing them to meet body part orders... Nazi-like things that they do.

  • I don't care. The government shouldn't be giving them money either way. Instead of relying on government force to get money, PP should do what every other charitable organization does: persuade people to donate!

  • I don't care what people do. I dont have to live with the decisions, and it's probably someone who would just be a leach on the system anyway. Abortion now, or generations of helpless, violent, leaches later. It only makes sense financially.

  • I'm pro life for my own life, but I have attended PP when I was having female issues because sometimes regular OBGYN's are REALLY difficult to get into and PP are generally up on all the current knowledge. There aren't a lot of places that offer both ease of scheduling and current techniques when it comes to women's health and reproductive health in general. 😕

    • PP prevents much more abortions than it it does abortions.

    • And they do so much more than strictly sexual stuff. My issues were related to an ovarian cyst and it hurt so bad that I preferred not to wait ages to get into an OBGYN. Some people always make it seem like the need for women's health centers is a "slut problem" (though LTR and married people have sex most often, right?)... But there are so many things they can help people with.

  • Things I find unethical:

    - The use of that stupid graph. Readers: google up "jason chaffetz planned parenthood chart" to see how incredibly misleading it is.

    - Claiming that PP says claims that "abortion is wonderful," which is dead wrong.

    - Going for shocks by depicting abortions as "fetuses and babies being torn limb from limb" when the vast majority of abortions are done chemically and are usually akin to a heavy period.

    - Misspelling "theoretical."

    - Editing videos of PP executives to make it seem like they're profiting from the sale of fetal tissue, which is so much not the case that the group that did the editing is now under indictment as a result of the federal investigation their videos triggered.

    - Editing videos and triggering a federal investigation, wasting millions in taxpayer money.

    - Masking anti-abortion propaganda as a question.

    • "Claiming that PP says claims that "abortion is wonderful," which is dead wrong." I was being sarcastic. I just don't think "abortion on demand" is as good as they announce it. "Masking anti-abortion propaganda as a question." lol what anti-abortion propaganda? As I said, I genuinely don't have a solid opinion on abortion other than unwanted pregnancy doesn't warrant abortion by itself, unless there is an extreme factor involved such as poverty or rape. In such cases, I don't consider I am able to judge anyone that decides for an abortion.

  • I dunno about this abortion shit but I know that Planned Parenthood treated me for an STD so I have to just say thanks to them.

  • I think abortion is a necessary evil. It is inherently evil, but this evil must exist. What else can you do about women accidentally finding themselves knocked up due to sleeping around? The woman doesn't want the child, and if the child is born, she'd likely neglect it anyway. It may be best if the child had not been born to her at all. If human life is created in the womb, and if the child would have to go through suffering because the mother just doesn't want to take care of it, then the child's life may just end in the womb. At least the child will be happier in another life, if there is another life besides this world we are living in.

    • I disagree, my question would be... What else a woman who is sleeping around would expect? A baby of course or STD's, there are ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy. And even so, with protection and all that's the gamble you have when you have sex. For me, that abortion is evil, and not necessary at all. That's just brutal and inhumane. If we were talking about rape that's a different story, and I wouldn't be in no position to judge. But a girl that is consciously doing casual sex and having her flings knows clearly what she's getting into. And people like that should take full responsibility for their actions. "and if the child would have to go through suffering because the mother just doesn't want to take care of it, then the child's life may just end in the womb. At least the child will be happier in another life" ^^ That's just bullshit.

    • There's no child yet at the moment of legal abortion.

  • Planned Parenthood is a legitimate organization providing healthcare for women and girls. It is under attack by the right wing nut jobs because it also performs legal abortions. End of story

    • As I said in myTake I'm not fully against abortion, but sure as hell I'm against abortion for "unwanted pregnancy". Basically, these folks are giving the option to abort whenever a girl decides to have sex and "mistankigly" ends up pregnant. That, I have big issues with and that's part of what "abortion on demand" means.

    • Abortion is the most evil act. End of story.

    • @TimeSplitters123 A ortion is legal. You don't like it? Don't have one.

  • I don't think I'd ever have an abortion, it's completely against my views, the only time I could even consider it is if, being pregnant was going to be physically harmful to me or my child, even then I'd still have problems killing someone that's innocent.

  • To the people who are still being fooled, they are expressing outrage over PP selling fetal tissue. It's illegal! It's immoral! For shame!
    To the people who understand that PP only charges to cover costs and makes no money from the fetal tissue, they are expressing outrage about how calmly they talk about the fetal tissue and how they obtain it. These were babies! You should be talking about them with reverence and weeping over their deaths! For shame!
    It's all about political opportunism, and people being outraged because they want to be outraged.

    • i like pp... take that how you wish ;)

    • It's true there is a moral/humanitarian issue here, that I did mentioned, that isn't being held appropriately I think. That's the reason I don't agree why these leftists are so secretive about Planned Parenthood operations, maybe people would act less cold about the issue if wer actually see what's happening there.

    • Indeed, the outrage is hypocrisy here.