Transgendered Bathrooms Because Segregation Worked So Well The First Time

Transgendered Bathrooms because segregation worked so well the first time.

I apologize in advance as this really irritates me.

I was going through Facebook the other day and someone had a negative post about Target allowing transgendered identifying men (and women) into the bathroom that they identify with.

(See original article here)

So I didn't blow up on their page against similarly people haters, I decided this would end better.

First some background,

For the record I am all for this. I believe that people are inherently good and are taught otherwise (directly or indirectly) and thus change is possible. In most cases you would have a hard time correctly identifying transgendered people as they look just like the rest of us. It is estimated that 1 in 400 or 0.03% or roughly 700,000 Americans identify as transgender, that is the gender they identify with doesn't align with the sex they were assigned at birth. For some like myself, we simply don't identify as either man nor women but neither/both therefore we cannot align our sex with our gender. I publicly identify as man as my sex is man and it is way easier and I can avoid discrimination, at the expense of my own freedom. I have no interest in identifying as as a women, I just don't believe that I should be forced by law to conform to societies social norms because I was born with a penis. So what if I like to paint my nails and wear sundresses with a sunhat and heals? Why can't I do what makes me happy, especially if I'm not hurting anyone else? Sorry, different tangent.

Meet Shawn Stinson,

Transgendered Bathrooms Because Segregation Worked So Well The First Time

Shawn recently won a body building competition and would be arrested if he entered a male public bathroom in the State of Mississippi because there it is illegal to go into a bathroom or locker room different from what was written on your birth certificate, regardless of identity or actual sex. There are now men who could be arrested for entering a male restroom because they were born female.

Transgendered people just want to live life to its fullest and try to enjoy it to the best that they can. They however have a lot of people against them. and face many unique problems: discrimination, violence, murder, be disavowed by loved ones, hate crimes, in many states it is legal to be fired and kicked out of your home by landlords, apartments, and even banks because of sexual orientation or gender identity. They have higher or no healthcare, high homelessness and poverty because of legal termination of employment and contracts. Socially they face issues with dress codes, restrooms, locker rooms, confidentiality, pronouns (how would you like to be called the wrong pronoun all of the time?)

But why? Actual hatred, fear, confusion, religious reasons?

For the hard core Christians out there, no where does the bible say to hate and prosecute those that are different for you, I've checked. It also doesn't say to go out and force your religious beliefs upon those that believe differently. The Bible does not say to deny services, fire, incarcerate, or slur those that are identify differently from yourselves. Are the top 2 Commandments not obey/listen to your one true god and the second is to love your neighbor as yourself. Would you then be breaking both of these as the first is to follow the second? Let thee who has not sinned cast the first stone. Even if you believe they are going to burn in hell for all of eternity it is not your place to remind them that or make their living life as bad as hell.

For those who are afraid, generally you aren't afraid of those who identify as transgender but those that will take advantage of it. If someone wanted to attack you it won't be because they had "access" to your bathrooms it will be because it was premeditated, not because "it was convenient." They would have done it anyway. Charge guilty people and don't victimize transgendered people because of it.

I hate transgendered bathrooms, segregation worked so well the first time. It just reinforces that inequities exist and that it is okay to call them out on it. They are not boys pretending to be girls nor girls pretending to be boys. They are just boys and girls doing what makes them happy.

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  • Nah transgender is a sever mental disorder. I will never support the normalization of it. They need actual help not forcing the majority to accept them. And yea transmen ususally look like men , very small men. But transgender women unless they get a shitload of plastic surgery they look like drag queens and not rupaul type. plus most transwomen keep their penis , and unless they get that shoved inside out and delude themselves its a vagina (which a vagina is a birth canal) than you need to using some other bathroom. You choose to transition, thats your choice , your beleif to shove your beleifs down peoples throats. And segregation? Your born play not trans idiot. and transgender women dont want gender nuetral bathrooms.. why? they dont wanna use bathrooms with men who know they are men. If women get attacked by a trans or a man acting like he is trans or a genderfluid person. The trans community will be getting massive amounts of hate unlike now. A man thinking he is a woman, forces women to use the bathroom as him and the majority cannot legally say no. Is the ultimate male privilege , transgender people especially transwomen work their male privilege. Im tired of the LGBT community , in the 70's they fought along side making pedophilia legal, they are effed up in the head. I

    • oh im an athiest too, i dont believe in a fairy god neither do i beleive someone is born in the wrong body. Im all for science and mfers are crazy these days

    • Nah transgender is a sever mental disorder. agreed

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  • "It is estimated that 1 in 400 or 0.03%"

    This is the key. You are forcing a decision that makes plenty of people uncomfortable for such a little minority. Thats the peak of selfishness, entitlement and self-importance.

    Why? Because you feel uncomfortable. What about the tons of people who feel uncomfortable having some drag-looking transgender in their bathroom stall? Oh, you dont care about them right? Sure you dont.

    • Oh my god your so right. And if you say these things in public your looked at as a devil or a demon. like how could you say that about gays or trans. A lot people feel this way there just silent because they don't want any problem like losing there jobs or you telling them your a monster

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  • I think the issue isn't really as much as Trans rights, but the rights of two other groups as well: the rights of businesses to make their own rules, and the rights of people who don't identify as Trans, to feel comfortable in bathrooms/locker rooms.

    First of all, I can imagine that Trans have been using the bathroom of their choice for many years and no one has even noticed. I think a lot of people assume a Trans is the same as a Crossdresser and they assume that all the sickos out there will abuse the new ruling to assault women or install video cams to spy.

    Second of all, if a non-government business wants to open bathrooms to trans... or close bathrooms to trans, I feel that is up to the business owners. This is not an issue the government should have a say in. Period. For every 1 business out there that won't allow Trans to use the bathroom of their choice, there are 5 that have no issue with it. I can't imagine bathroom use is really that big of a deal outside the home. Think about it; how many times was it vital you used the restroom at Target to where you needed to fight to ensure you had access to it every single time you went shopping?

    3rd, why does the Trans crowd's feelings trump those who aren't comfortable sharing restrooms with them? This isn't about access to a bathroom, this is about access to a bathroom of your PREFERENCE. Somewhere along the line, preference turned into a Constitutionally Protected RIGHT. That is really what I take issue with. Our feelings are not protected rights. And non-government businesses do not have to submit to the will of the government. On the flip-side, the government must submit to the will of the people.

    I love that Target can exercise their own rights and conscience, to extend bathroom use to Trans' preferences. But I'm angry that that same courtesy isn't being extended to people who are not comfortable with it, in their own private businesses according to their own conscience.

  • I don't get the big issue people have with it. I have plenty of lesbian friends and they've never tried to sneak a peek at me while I'm doing my business, because who the fuck does that.

  • See, personally, I'm okay with a trans using the bathroom of the gender they look like. If I cannot tell that they are trans, I don't care what part they have, because they really look and feel like a woman.

    What I DO have a problem with is a man, wearing man clothes, going into a woman's bathroom.
    I have a problem with that being okay, because that should never be okay.

    We have been sharing bathrooms with transgendered people forever. That has not and will not change. If they look like their gender, don't be so judgmental... they truly feel as if they are the same gender as you! They aren't going to hurt you.

    But I shudder to think of the intentions a grown ass man (who isn't actually transgendered) have to be in a woman's bathroom...

    The only exception I have to that is if the dad has daughters. We should not be letting those daughters in the male bathroom... and dad should not be sending small children who need help using the restroom in the bathroom by themselves (and it's not like you can tell them to wait... if they have to go, they have to go). I feel bad for the awkwardness there.

  • No, these people have mental illness. Why should pretty much exploit them?
    This is why a lot of them receive therapy and counseling.

    Don't get me wrong,
    I understand what it means to be transgender, I have an acquaintance who is, however I disagree with catering to those who feel that their minds don't match up to their parts. This will open the doors to those with other mental illnesses to feel as if they should be deserving of certain rights (Trans-racial people etc.)

    • *Why should we pretty much exploit them?

    • What's a trans-racial person?

    • Some one born a certain race who wants to live as another. Rachel Dolezeal www.theguardian.com/.../transracial-definition-destructive-rachel-dolezal-spokane-naacp . She's a white woman living as a black woman. Google her pictures she looks nothing like what she looks like now.

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  • The thing is... I can't see anyone on the toilet in female bathrooms... There are walls around the toilet and a door. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? I could understand a changing room tough, BUT BATHROOM? Really now... 🙄😐

    • Best answer on this subject I have seen on Gag so far.

    • Best answer indeed

  • The transgendered are now the last group in America where discrimination against them is fully protected by the law. As with all discrimination, the perpetrators blame the victims. They pretend this discrimination is to protect public safety. They actually argue that a trans-woman would go to the trouble and abuse of living full-time as female for the quick thrill of seeing the inside of the women's bathroom! They treat them as non-human. Trans-women are routinely murdered because of their identity. Their murders are seldom investigated because "they had it coming." Changing the laws to ban discrimination will not end all the hate crimes. However they will not diminish as long as they remain legal.


  • i see gender identity and biological sex as two separate entities. trans people aren't hurting anyone by using the bathroom that matches their gender identity, so leave them alone already.

    /von's 2 cents.

    any "fears" that people have about trans people being sexual predators are unfounded, likely the fear-mongering work of the "religious right". i read an article recently that stated no such crimes have ever been committed by trans individuals, so transphobia is pretty baseless.

    it's 2016; the fact that segregation is even a thing is pretty sad.

  • Transgendered people should be allowed to use the bathrooms of choice, we've been doing it for bloody ages and noone noticed until the conservatives made us the newest boogie monsters to rally support against to distract from the fact they just waste time on pointlessness.

    As for those saying its a mental illness, well yes dysphoria is recognised as such and the recognised treatment is transition- counselling and therapy doesn't help (i went through a year of it and it did bugger all apart from make me worse).

    Most of the time you'd never even notice if someone is trans or not, so long as started young. The fact that the few times you do makes you think everyone looks like that is confirmation bias.

    • Oh please. If anyone pushed this issue, it was the Left. If somehow you really *did* "pass" for female, no one objected to your using the ladies room (or vice versa). But then that is the point, isn't it? Gender must be bent.

    • @Curmudgeon I do pass and people don't object to me using the bathroom, same for many others. My point is that that is the case for quite a few of us and people are only objecting recently because of the right wing wanting another thing to focus on now that gay marriage is legal.

  • North Carolina Got it Right... Gender Identity SHOULD be amended on your birth certificate. Meaning you will ALWAYS dress and behave as that identity. as such once you do that you CAN use the restroom of your choice. BUT makes people choose who they are. You're either living as a man or a woman. Make it final, get it on the Birth Certificate.

    Anyone "serious" has no right to use their former restroom because clearly if it's your "identity" why would you?

    Pick one, mark it final, stay the hell out of the old one. But pretending you're a woman today and a man tomorrow is nothing more than a mental disorder.

  • The importance of the issue is that men are "predatory" when it comes to sex. Men are the ones who seek out sex, which is not bad thing when it is welcomed by the woman, but it also means that women are going to feel extremely uncomfortable when they're in a vulnerable situation such as restroom with their pants down and a strange man is in the next stall. Just ask a woman, especially an attractive one, how many times she's had guys make unwelcome advances on her and how she'd feel alone in a restroom with a guy. Not much different then if they was walking through an alley alone. Being assaulted is not something us guys really worry about too much, but women are naturally a lot weaker than men and it is something they have to worry about.

    Trying to deny this fact and misdirect the argument into one about hate or discrimination just makes you look like even more of an idiot than you already do by misquoting a bunch of things from the Bible. I realize there are people who may have been born one gender but from outward appearances look like the other, and I'm not saying I have all the answers, but clearly you have no clue what you're talking about. Sex and gender is not a social construct. That's why in 2012 there were about 20 convicted male sex offenders for every female sex offender. Men are more aggressive, it's biology.

  • I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as. First off, it's petty and stupid to assume that this would somehow end up with cis-people getting harassed by the transgender people (I'm thinking it's more likely to be the other way around to be honest). Second, as it is right now, very few public bathrooms are actually locked somehow, which means that anyone can enter them whenever they want. Nothing is stopping anyone from going into the bathrooms now to harass those inside. Why make the assumption that things would escalate simply for letting transgender people use the bathroom of the gender they identify as? Better yet, why even make the assumption that transgender people are violent perverts who only want to use the bathroom to harass others? Newsflash: they just want to use the bathroom like everyone else. Deal with it. This will literally not change anything, except give more rights to those who deserve it.

    • This, pretty much.

    • Thank you! As usual, Lumos hits the nail on the head.

    • @BuchitaBuchys No she shines a light on it XD

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  • Why? They are overdoing this shit.. men are men and women are women. If a person identifies as a man then let them go into man. If women describe themselves as women sex change or naturally born one let them be in that bathroom.. why separate people from people.. because in the end thats all we really are.. people the only separation is gender man and women just 2 we all fit under 1 of those categories a trans is a person transitioning from one gender to another.. still a person

  • I think it depends on how far ones transformation is. Even if you separate sex and gender, separation of bathrooms is because of sex not gender. So it's entirely dependant on how far you are in the change. This is coming from a religious person by the way. As for why people may be discriminating against transgender people, you said it yourself only.03% of America identifies as transfer gender. While 700,000 is a big number 320,000,000 is way bigger. Some people may not even know that some people want to change their gender or sex or whatever you want to call it. What transgender people need is advertising. Once people know more about transgender people, rules can be made or changed. A little information goes a long ways.

  • I agree, but this site is extremely conservative, with a few popular members who are liberal and accepting. So prepare to get hated on, by folks who have very little to no clue, aside from Wikipedia "research", of what they're talking about.

    • I'd have to say it's refreshing to see so many people against it. If I spoke out against it publicly I could get fired from my job, kicked out of school and be completely ostracized.

    • @QuestionMan I don't agree as I'm against discrimination.

    • Well it's not discrimination when you want to treat people with mental illnesses.

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  • I can maybe understand the logic that allowing transgender women into women's bathrooms, and vice versa, could be exploited to harrass people, as there are no cameras inside.

    However, anyone can exploit the lack of cameras in bathrooms. Female-on-female abuse and male-on-male abuse can still occur, and while men aren't allowed to go into women's bathrooms, they can still physically go in and harass women.

  • It's fucking moot, because the vast majority of companies already have this policy in place anyway.

    www.thedailybeast.com/.../...endly-businesses.html

    www.12news.com/.../158399819

  • Everyone who opposes this idea is not motivated by hate. That is an indication of your bias.

  • Just wait to the new civil rights discrimination lawsuits that will be formed when these transgenered people will file, because these will cry that they can't go into the restrooms that they so desire, because they were descirimated against. They have been going into restrooms for decades with no problems. It is all about MONEY and bleeding America dry.

  • Your post is too short it doesn't explain everything. I would add another 10,000 words. And then waste the government's money putting up transgender bathrooms into different categories those with blonde hair and those with brown hair. I would force those with black hair to make a decision by posting another 20,000 word question on gag

    • Now there intelligent young lady who understands what's going on.

  • a person SHOULD be able to tell if a person is portraying the other gender for pervy reasons or not by the overall image they project. an ACTUAL transgender will have god knows how much time researching and studying how to make themselves as presentable as the chosen sex (ie makeup, posture, manerism, body grooming) as to where a straight up perv would give off the image of a straight up guy in a dress (no attempt at all to be seen as the opposite sex). and all that aside, they should just allow the people to use the bathroom they choose and report any one who does anything perverted in nature, whether someone going into a bathroom as cis or trans. if a trans simply walks into the bathroom uses said bathroom, washes and leaves... what is it hurting?

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