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Why is pro choice so bad?

Let's have an educated debate. If you're not mature enough to handle this then don't bother commenting. I went to a seminar the other day to support a friend who was giving a speech for a women's health center. How they helped her through her pregnancy etc.. Everything was all good until the political parties showed up and talked about how planned parenthood should be banned and abortion should be illegal. I am pro choice and I believe that most women who choose to get an abortion do it entirely by choice so why should that choice be taken from them? Let me know what you guys think.
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I originally asked this question because I wanted to hear from people my age about this topic, since the policies created will affect us the most. I was try to understand both sides but I see myself trying to change peoples opinions.
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I apologize that was not my intent. Thank you everyone who commented.
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  • Luckily we don't have this problem back home :)

    However, when it comes down to this problem in the west, I actually support the choice (yet I don't care much about the well being of other countries). Take a look at those who are oppose it: they are usually old folks, somewhat of a middle class, sometimes from the upper class. They have no real connections to a nowadays world, they don't know jack shit how much simple people struggle nowadays, how hard it is for a new graduate to find a decent job etc. They don't have to find their place under the sun like others do: they found it long time ago.
    I just can't take people like this seriously and disregard their opinion as completely irrelevant on the matter.

    If you put them into the shoes of someone who's in her early 20's and got pregnant by accident, I really want to see them struggling for real in their place. Besides, think about future of a kid: yeah, sure, he arrived to this world, but now what? An incomplete childhood because his parents are working on 2-3 different jobs each to make a living, yet still don't make enough to provide an awesome childhood to their kid? Uncertain possibilities in the future?

    There's only one small thing where they are somewhat right though: if women will go pro-choice and/or planned parenthood, this will drop the amount of people inside the country in a long run and that may lead to a need to import some foreigners/immigrants that usually have a tendency of failing to adapt to a country and develop their own communities/ghettos, but this one is actually a problem of their government and it's failure when it comes down to economy and ability to support young families.

    So always disregard the opinion of those who oppose it, their opinion is worth nothing. They are absolutely full of shit and even feminists make more of a point than they do (damn, I thought I'd never say that!).

    • I agree. I believe that a child should be able to grow up in a loving providing home. Birth control is very affective these days and easily available so if you want to have sex but is not ready to have a baby then you should be responsible and use a condom.

  • "Let's have an educated debate" - unlikely tbh

    I'm pro choice. I'm no expert on the development of the embryo/fetus but I do think women should have the option of abortion in the early stages of the pregnancy. How early? I don't know. This time could be extended in certain cases.

    I think the reason it's "so bad" (as you said) to some people is that to them, it's human life at stake. That's always going to provoke an emotional reaction. The way they see it, they're 'protecting' the child from the mother. I haven't yet heard a clear argument as to when life begins (conception, birth or in between) and people obviously disagree.

    The issue is that there is two different 'lives' at stake, the fetus and the mother and any option you prefer, depends on how you weigh those 2. Pro lifers (seem to) believe the child is alive at conception, abortion gets rid of the child, therefore abortion = murder. My issue with that is that the mother's health is also at stake. She would have to bear the fetus (and endure everything that comes with it) so she should get a say in whether she does have to endure the pregnancy. Unfortunately if she doesn't want to bear the child, abortion is the only option (that I'm aware of). It's harsh but it is her body that will be 'used', so she deserves a say.

    It's a tricky and complex situation but I do believe that women should have a choice on the matter. The exact cut off limit for abortions? I'm not sure.
    I also think some political parties use this issue to appease their voters when they don't really care.

    I'm hoping I didn't piss anyone off and I'm welcome to debate this if you'd like but I'm sure someone will go mental at me for this.

    • "I haven't yet heard a clear argument as to when life begins (conception, birth or in between) and people obviously disagree." Yep, there just isn't a clear definition and never will be. As a general rule, pro-lifers believe life begins at conception, while the pro-choice crowd makes a clear distinction between an unborn "fetus" and life that begins at birth. But then like you say, it should really fall somewhere in between as I think most everyone agrees that you gotta draw the line somewhere as you get into the 2nd or 3rd trimester. Going back to the legal definition and how murky it is, when a woman aborts an unborn child it's just a "fetus" but if a pregnant woman is assaulted, killing the unborn child in the process, the law can & does offer protection/consequences for terminating the life of an unborn child under those circumstances. So like you said, it's really just a tricky issues with tons of room for disagreement and even inconsistency with laws, etc.

    • @kataloso If there was ever an issue where the phrase 'it's not black and white' could apply, it's abortion. Unfortunately, it's so emotional that no-one can comprise. Pro choice people think it's about third parties trying to control their bodies and pro lifers feel that human beings are dying. I'm not religious or a pro choice activist so I'm a little detached from this issue compared to some. In the end, when asked I just go for the very grey choice that I explained above. I think the fetus deserves protection and the woman deserves a choice. It's unfortunate it has to be those two things competing with each other because both are worthy goals.

    • Yes I agree with you too. It's murky where life actually begins.

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  • I am pro-choice to an extent. That extent being that I don't agree with abortions that take place once the fetus starts to live on its own, meaning it has a functioning brain and actually resembles a child. An abortion at that stage is unacceptable to me unless the mother is likely to die if she doesn't abort the pregnancy. Something I'm not quite decided on is if the child has a condition/ deformity that will cause it to die during birth or shortly after. Mothers are often given the option to abort before the child has a chance to suffer, or to give birth and have it die on its own. The problem with that is you really can't see the deformity until there's actually a kid in there and not just a creepy glob of potential-baby matter.

    I'll be honest, if I took a pregnancy test and found out I've been pregnant for a month, I'd abort immediately. I don't have what it takes to raise a kid or even go through a pregnancy at this point in my life. It's not an option and my boyfriend agrees, it's something we've discussed. That's why I'm pro-choice, some people just can't afford to grow a kid; women get raped, medical complications come up... Shit happens.
    I won't cry about someone dumping weed-killer on a fern, I don't view abortions done extremely early as anything different.

    • Very well put. Thank you for your comment

  • I think that the main reason that people choose to attack someone who is pro choice is because they believe that your taking away an innocent's life. Abortion should not be banned, women should have the choice in raising a child or not. I think that it's helpful in a way because no child has asked to be brought here. Why should a child be brought up in a family that doesn't want them or doesn't know how to take care of them. I don't know if the laws are different in other places but here it's agaisnt the law to abort a baby that's over a certain amount of months but under those months it's not considerd to be a child so in a way it's not murder.

    • If women should have the choice to raise a child or not, men should have the choice to support the child financially as well.

    • @gotc147 Nice, I've never thought of that before.

    • I also agree but I don't think that would be possible since some children born out of wedlock need their father's support. If a women chooses to raise a child and this happens then they should have a way by the goverment to support them.

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  • The baby can feel the pain, it has been proven. Also I miscarried a few months ago and I miss my baby to death :( so please don't ever consider an abortion. I'd give anything to have my baby back and I couldn't imagine what I would do now if it was my choice for her to die. I miss her so greatly and I love her so much. Please don't have an abortion, to me if a girl has an abortion, she is selfish and ungrateful. At least have the little one and put him or her up for adoption so someone who wants your baby and who are going to be good parents can have the little angel.

    • Having an abortion doesn't make you selfish or ungrateful. Life has it's circumstances that require different ways of dealing with things. I personally plan to never have children. I rather not bring suffering to someone else by bringing them into this world.

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  • The bottom line is these anti everything people want to control what you think and do. Just governing themselves seems to be not enough.
    They show up waving bibles, quoting verse and chapter, since they have never had an original thought themselves, much less an original sin.
    I dismiss them as pulpit puppets that think Fox news is objective.

    • thanks for your input

  • Abortion is one of those issues that will be forever divided. It's just a tricky moral issue, and I can relate to both sides.

    An abortion is a tragic event every time it happens. There is no absolutely no scenario where a woman would start out with the intention of having an abortion. So when it gets to that point it's always an unfortunate situation.

    But there will always be scenarios where abortion needs to be an available option under medical guidance. And beyond that, putting more extreme restraints on abortion would just lead to more abortions being performed under unsafe unregulated circumstances. It's just the way it is.

    Can't ban it. Plenty of room for debate about where certain lines should be drawn as far as when/how abortions can/can't be performed. And people will remain divided on the topic.

    • And as a side note, it's kind of a trip to think about how different the world would be if humanity had somehow collectively decided that abortions would never happen. Think of the impacts to global population and the earth's limited resources, and how science/technology naturally responds to solve the problems at hand (or ignoring the ones that don't as long as we can). How many brilliant minds (scientists, musicians, whatever) would have otherwise gone down in history? Or the flip side, were any Hitler-like tyrants avoided by sheer luck? And you could look at it from any number of other interesting angles as well. Bottom line is it's pretty amazing how humanity is able to manipulate our existence and the world around us.

    • Yes! Isn't it? Natural abortions happens everyday in a woman's body, many women get pregnant and have a miscarriage that looks and feels like a menstrual cycle, but then again who are we to play God?

  • The primary argument in favor of abortion is "it's my body", but this argument ignores the plight of the baby's body. In addition it is not just her child, that child has a father and he is left high and dry. Thirdly pro-choice/feminist groups fight against ANY restriction on abortion such as banning third trimester abortions or minors having to inform their parents. It seems like they believe a woman should be able to get an abortion when the baby is halfway out of her AND they want the taxpayer to pay for it.

    Their positions are just extreme and their arguments are on shakey ground.

    • I don't believe that fathers are left high and dry. Most of the couples who get pregnant and decide that they are not ready to support a child talk about their decisions and choices together.

    • But the woman is under no legal obligation to even inform the father that she is pregnant, that needs to change if abortion is to remain legal.

    • That is true. There has been cases where the father doesn't know about the abortion

  • I don't see why they would ban it, as you said it's not like some one make them do it, they choose it because of some reasons, maybe they're not ready yet or have financial problems... Any ways I agree with you, women have every right to do whatever they want.

    • thank you, sometimes I feel like more men are pro choice then women.

    • I don't care for pro choice or whatever, I'm Just using my judgement and fairness... It your body and your baby, you gonna carry it for 9 month... Etc. so you have the right to choose !!!

  • Sorry to ask another question instead of answering yours

    But... What if EVERYONE decided to abort all of their babies. Would that be immoral, would that be a good thing?

    • That's never going to happen. There are people out there who wants children and are ready to have them. When I say ready I mean financially and mentally.

    • @jarofhearts Of course that's never going to happen. That's a given But my question still stands. Would it be immoral if EVERYONE always aborted all of their babies?

  • i consider myself pro-life, but not in the conventional sense. I think the choice should always remain, but we should work on the reasons people need abortions (poverty, rape, incest..). Strangely, this is already supposed to be the goal of religions, in general - but instead of doing it, they apparently find it much more gratifying to shame women who don't follow their god's law, and doom them to a life of desperation as punishment.

    • Both sides say that they are trying to protect women's right but making someone go through a pregnancy when they don't want to is protecting them? Pregnancy changes your body, mind, and life entirely.

    • You should try reading past the first sentence :-P

    • Exactly my position. Women very often choose abortion just because it's easier. Rich people get abortions all the time, and it's not because the baby has a disability. It's just because that baby that they made would get in the way of their social life

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  • im pro choice too, to a certain extent.

    • Explain please. What do you mean by certain extent?

    • girl finds out ASAP she is pregnant, then get it taken care of before any further development.

    • Okay that makes sense. Thanks for your input

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  • "Let's have an educated debate" following "Why is pro choice so bad?" Great start.

    • She wants people to explain why they oppose it. She is clearly pro-choice, so what's the issue?

    • Why can't people to educated about this?

  • I dunno.

    My only problem with the pro-life argument and banning all the shit is that it doesn't address the people that will still get abortions, illegally and not under medical supervision. Historically, people have gotten abortions since the dawn of time and will continue to get them for a variety of reasons. You just can't stop everyone from doing what they want to do, in the end.

    You can almost liken it to the War on Drugs. Just because something's illegal doesn't mean that people won't seek it out, engage it it, and profit from criminal elements.

    You can always say "Well, people who don't follow the law will get what's coming to them." Sure, and I understand that. But why bisect society into legal markets and black markets, which allow criminal elements to make enormous profits that aren't taxed, create violence and just in general make society a worse place? It's a round-and-round argument.

    I always say I'm pro-choice because I'm pro-life, but most people just say "what?" to that.

    Makes sense to me.

    • That makes sense to me. As a medical professional I know that abortions are dangerous even done in the right way under supervision. Pushing it underground will cause a lot more casualties.

    • Exactly. Plus we know that before Roe v. Wade that's how a large percentage of abortions were done, as it was illegal. Pushing anything underground makes no sense, as it drives the said illegal action into the hands of those who have no interest in serving the consumer fairly or justly.

  • Pro-choice is a position that allows you to end the life of a sovereign human being and is morally no different from killing a 2 year old or your grandmother. Should you have that "right"?

    The DNA of that unborn child is nobody else's. My opposition to abortion is admittedly imperfect but it is my position none the less.

    • Sure but by law someone has to take care of that child for the next 18 years of it's life and if the mother is a crack addict the kid will likely go to foster care and that DNA will become someone elses The governments

    • None of which diminishes the unborn child's human rights. The child is not responsible for the circumstances of its conception or the behavior or character of its parents or the law. Don't they teach logic in public school? You millenials have been taught to be good conformist socialists distracted by worries of penis and boob sizes. You are on the way to being enslaved. You, as a group, are the tired sons and daughters of successful people and you are incapable of managing your inheritance. Payday loans and title pawns will buy you have everything you deserve.

    • True the child is not responsible for the circumstances it was born into but it has to live in those circumstances. when you're bring fair into the question is it really fair to ask some to live a life that may come with pain and suffering because of someone else's mistake?

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  • Most people subscribe to the altruist morality, and then pro-choice people are surprised that the pro-choice movement is losing.

    If you believe that sacrificing yourself for others is good, then banning abortion makes perfect sense. A woman who gets an abortion is putting herself first. Most people would say putting yourself first is wrong. I say putting yourself first is right. Most pro-choice people don't know how to justify themselves because they subscribe to the same altruist morality. In any ideological battle, the more consistent side wins.

    A related problem is that most pro-choice people support tax financing of abortions. You can't say 'my body, my choice' and then deny your opponents the same right. You can't say 'it's none of your business' while making it other people's business.

    In summary, the pro-choice movement is destroying itself. And, as someone who fully supports the right to have an abortion, I find that very sad to see.

    • Basically you should never tell someone to keep their hands off your body, then get caught trying to stick your hand in their pocket.

    • are you at least ok with your tax dollars going to welfare to support the mother and child, because she's single, has no job and a child to look after for years to come?

    • nation surveys show that most single mothers only stay on welfare for about 3-4 years, of course there are always exceptions.

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  • I'm pro choice.
    People think I'm a terrible person for it, lol.
    Ah, well.

    • haters gonna hate

    • You are not a terrible person, you just got messed up opinions :/

    • I don't you have a messed up opinion. No one knows how they will act or what they will do until they are actually put in that position.

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  • Does that "clump of cells" get a choice in the matter?

    • When that "clump of cells" is able to vocalize an informed decision by weighing the pros and cons. It's choice should most definitely be taken into consideration.

    • @ironeddie I guess you're fine with animal abuse, too? After all, most animals can't vocalize an informed decision by weighing the pros and cons.

    • No I am not fine with animal abuse. In my opinion and some of the medical field they/we believe that if there is not a functioning brain the person/clump of cells is not alive. If you are not alive. It is not murder as many like to call it. As it can't tell the heart to beat, lungs to breath etc. it is done by a life support. The mother or a machine. If you had a family member involved in a car accident (example). That received severe brain trauma and was clinically brain dead. In other words they are unconscious, laying in a bed, never doing anything ever again. The only reason why he/she is alive is because machines keep the heart beating, lungs breathing. Would you pull the plug? Or let them stay like that for the rest of their life? Clinically they are dead.

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  • Although I'm a christian I have no right over another woman's body or life decisions.
    I'm one who believes that if you make a mistake you take responsibility for it, you make a bed you lay in it. But on the other side if a child isn't going to be given a proper habitat to be raised in what's the point? Prevention (a. k. a abortion) is better than cure.

    • SO with your logic, we could just kill all babies in poor/dangerous countries? We are just sparing them the suffering, right?

    • You can't look at it that way. you can't save everybody but you can save yourself or prevent as much as you can.

  • Uh does the murder and death of a baby ring a bell. Plus if your stupid enough to get pregnant early then you need to take responsibility for your action both the father and mother. At the very least give him/her up for adoption.

  • I think we can all agree that abortion kills something. The crux of it is, what does abortion kill? If it's simply tissue or cells, like cancer, then we can kill it. But if there's a person in there, we can't kill it anymore than we can kill a toddler.
    I have a hard time with the argument some people propose that if someone is going to have a bad life, then abort them. Would they advocate the killing of people who are currently having a bad life? By no means. Nobody would advocate victimizing victims further.

    • Those clump of cells will become a person, but it's not yet a person. It has no feelings, no nerves, no thoughts. Many people who look at abortion as killing a person should think about that fact that we as humans kill animals everyday for their meat. Animals so CAN feel pain, who DO know fear, who can think for themselves, who knows what death is yet we kill them anyways and people just see them as cattle. Where is the line actually drawn?

    • It sounds like you're making two conflicting arguments. Do you mean that even if it were a person, we should be able to kill/hunt them? Would that also apply to born humans? I'm not sure there is a morally relevant distinction between a fetus in the womb which we can kill and an infant outside the womb which we can't kill. I mean, it's only a larger clump of cells that is in a different environment, at a different stage of development, with a slightly less degree of dependency. I'm not sure how any of these differences turn the infant into a human which we cannot kill.

    • What I'm saying is that people kill everyday, some of it is justified by people who think abortion is wrong. Kill things that are even more awful than a fetus. A clump of cells inside a person's body is not yet an infant. It clump of cells can be comparable to cancer, it grows, it's dependent, and it has no feelings, if you don't want it there then why can't you have the right to remove it?

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  • I am 100% pro choice. If the child won't have a good life, or will completely stop it's mothers life. Then It shouldn't be born.

    • By that standard, a giant percentage of babies shouldn't be born

    • @Longblackveil I wonder what the world would be like if that standard were reality

    • Well if who ever is going to have your kids happens to want to abort it because she feels incapable . you guys better be as quick to take full custody and raise the baby on your own as you where to respond to this..

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  • I am pro choice... and my choice is pro life.

    • thanks for your opinion

    • Yes, in Roe vs. Wade a woman does have a right since it is technically 'her' body; however, I think I can only speak for myself--and, because I am a male, I do not have a say in how other people, especially women do with their own bodies. God bless Planned Parenthood and family planning is very important and utilized by educated partners. I, however, wouldn't want to be with a woman who supports abortions. I support adoption because I think that rather than aborting, the baby may have a better life with a family who really desires to raise a child but may not be able to due to fertility issues or any other medical condition.

    • But sometime a baby doesn't get to have that life

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  • If you're not mature enough to handle pregnancy then don't have sex.

    • It's not always an issue of maturity. What about rape? Or when they are mature an are taking precautions, but the precautions fail?

    • I'm assuming this goes for guys too rrigghhtt?

    • @cipher42 But the precautions fail? still its not the fault of a fetus. What about rape? 46 millions fetuses get aborted worldwide, only one percent is because of rape.

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  • Pro choice is bad because you are making a choice that isn't yours to make. Even tho it's the woman's body she has no right to kill an innocent baby just because she doesn't "feel" like being a mother.

    • THANK YOU!!!

    • Haha you're welcome :D

    • But what if you were forced into being a mother? Like rape or assault?

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