Battle of the sexes? Discuss!

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In my opinion, women need to stop saying women and men are equal,... stop being in denial, we're not, and that's part of the beauty of life.An average man can do physical tasks that an average women can't do, hence better paying jobs.(a guy in the office can do the office work AND lift heavy objects if need be, while most women cannot/will not)An average man thinks more rationally, while women more emotionally, hence %99 of great leaders being men.(proven)Who explored the seas and lands to discover worlds unknown ? MenWho are the greatest athletes in the world ? MenMost famous musicians/bands ? MenWho built the cities we live in ? MenWho fights wars so you don't have to ? Men (although slowly changing)Who are the greatest scientists / artists in history ? Men (da vinci, Einstein etc.)Who are the greatest leaders in the world / history ? Menwe are NOT equal, so STOP BITING THE HAND THAT FEEDS, and appreciate it. Men have earned their position in society as a gender.DISCUSS ! :DI'm not being sexist in any form just laying out the facts. I love the ladies and don't condone sexism, but we are NOT equal.

cajoi · Accepted Answer

I think what you're really failing to grasp here is, that while all these male centered accomplishments are all well and good, the simple fact is--- if women were treated as equals to men, by men from the very beginning, the disparity between the sexes would not be nearly as large as it is.

The origination of patriarchal societies stretches back thousands of years. Their creation, in my humble opinion, is not a natural biological phenomenon---or at least, not all the way. I think males, instinctively, have the drive to be the protector, which hails all the way back to the cave man days. They kill the food, they impregnate the women, they protect the women and children, etc, etc.,. This behavior relegated women to only being capable of doing minor things, when in fact they were probably capable of a hell of a lot more. Only, when we really evolved out of those days, when getting trampled by wild, ravenous beasts was no longer an issue...into more well constructed societies that lived in incredibly well made cities with tremendous resources for their times---this belief that men were somehow superior because of their SELF DESIGNATED protector role--really stuck.

These types of beliefs and behaviors only engendered thoughts of the male's superiority in their own minds. Of course a group of women who stand all of five feet tall and weighs a hundred pounds wouldn't be as physically successful as waging war as a group of men who stand a foot or more taller and outweighs them by one or two hundred pounds. But, does the lack of physical prowess negate mental ability? No, it doesn't, but back then it did, when societies waged wars longer than they lived in peace. These male engendered beliefs became a way of life and women were kind of forced to step aside. Someone had to stay behind to take care of the home and the fact that women are the child bearers really forced them into that role. A pregnant woman is the very picture of vulnerability and in those days, vulnerability made you inferior, and inferiority could get you killed. Better to stay at home where you can't get hurt or get into trouble. And what choice did the woman have?

Any woman who did not want to accede to their preconceived gender role was viewed as emotionally unstable and problematic. But, women have shown continually throughout history that they are capable of the same heights of greatness as a man. Look at Hatshepsut, Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, and Elizabeth the First. All of whom, at some point or another in their career, were demonized by the men of their day because of their sex. Even though they showed continually that they were just as intelligent, capable military strategists, and as adept at navigating politics as the prominent males of the day.

So, maybe what really needs to be asked here, is that if patriarchy wasn't the order of the day and women weren't held back by virtue of their sex,---what WOULDN'T they have been capable of?

wildfire5288 · Accepted Answer

OK while I'll admit there are things that men are better at than women and that if I'm moving I'm more likely to ask my guy friends for help than my girlfriends. But everything else you said is complete bull sh*t. More women are going to and graduating from college than men are so offices are going to start looking a lot different. I don't think men think more rationally, they make spur of the moment decisions and women have to be the ones to sit there and go, "Do you really think that's a good idea? What if you did this instead?" Yeah women are emotional but it's not like women are constantly up and down and therefore can't perform just as well, if not better, than men at work. And as far as heavy lifting goes, find me anyone in upper management who needs to do heavy lifting. I doubt women are looked over for jobs because they'll have a harder time helping to bring in boxes of paper.

As far as explorers go back in the day when they were still discovering places women couldn't do anything besides cook and make babies and if they did they were criticized or some cases thrown in jail for it. Women can be just as good at sports as men in their own right. Would I put a bunch of girls against a bunch of guys in a hockey or football game, no. Does that mean women shouldn't be playing hockey or rugby or soccer? Is Mia Hamm less respected as an athlete than Ronaldinho? And as far as gymnastics and figure skating go almost everyone would rather watch the women than the men. Famous musicians, um hi, Madonna. Then back in the day when you had Patty Labelle and Aretha Franklin, and if Lady Gaga isn't one of the most talked about musicians today (weird as she may be she can sing and she's doing her own thing). Men built cities because when cities were being built women were expected to stay at home, they didn't go to architecture school and that's changing too. Women, as you said, are already starting to fight in wars and are proving to be just as useful as men. Greatest scientist/artist, men because once again women were overlooked and no matter how talented they were their work would never get out there. There could've been tons of great work by women that was just lost because no one took it seriously because they were women. Greatest leaders, once again, women weren't allowed to. And I do believe the Speaker of the House is a woman.

Physically men and women are not equal. But mentally women and men are equal and to say anything else is stupid. To use history isn't even fair because women really just started working full time 30-40 years ago. Despite what you think you are sexist, and this isn't a feminist rant it's just me pointing out you're stupidity (and since you're more rational you should've been able to come to these points yourself). You are a sexist idiot, you might be able to knock me out with one punch but I can do any job in an office setting just as well as you.

Googleme · Accepted Answer

I do not understand your perspective at all. I can not fathom having such contempt of an individual or group of people that I would suggest that I was "better" then them. If you were to say this is in regards to another race you would be considered racist, so I don't understand how you could possibly suggest that you aren't being sexist. I am not going to debate or argue that one sex is "better" than the other, that is ignorant, narrow minded and immature.

Men are amazing, that is a fact that I cannot deny... but coincedentally women are amazing as well. I do not see gender, sexuality or race. I see people, I see humans. Yes, there are obviously differences between men and women, but we are all essentially the same, we are all human and no human has the right to claim superiority over another.

Your arugment is largely based on the fact that men have had more oppurtunity than women. This is similar to the argument that "Poor people are poor because they want to be,"

What a horrible mind set to have, that women have brought any disadvantages that they have onto themselves, or rather that any person in a position of disadvantage did it to themselves.

It frightens me that prejudices like these are still held against minorities (despite that fact that over half the global population is women). Are women better then men? No. Are men Better then women? No. Yet they are both still wonderful examples of the variation in humans.

sa230e · Accepted Answer

No you're being completely sexist. Not to mention ignorant. Equality doesn't mean men and women are exactly alike - it just means they should be allowed equal rights and freedoms. Our capabilities may differ but they are no less a human being than we are. That is what equality means.

1) And how many jobs in this modern economy require that kind of physical exertion? Very few. Just how many heavy objects does an office worker have to lift on a regular basis? You can't tell me we deserve a 25% pay advantage because one time we moved a filing cabinet. For jobs that don't require back-breaking labour women can do them quite efficiently.

2) Bullsh*t. How about you cite some studies to back that up (you did research this stuff, right?). However differing our emotions can be women are not so volatile that it can interfere with important business decisions. As for the the great world leaders - prove it. After all you did write proven next to it so the onus is on you to cite where you got that figure.

3) Could that be because during those times women were treated no better than a domesticated animal?

4) As if women have no impressive athletic feats to boast of? Please.

5) So what? Whoever makes the better music is better in general?

6) Ugh

7) And who starts the wars? Who's responsible for the genocides and the war crimes? The door swings both ways.

8) Possibly because women were denied an education? Seriously you're scorning people who have been subjugated for the better part of history for not having an impact? Are you trying to be stupid or does it just come naturally? You might as well blame black slaves in early America for having little impact on legislation of that era since there weren't any black senators.

9) Who were the greatest tyrants? Who were the bloodthirsty conquerors? Your arguments are terrible.

We're not the same but we are equal. As human beings we deserve respect for that reason alone not because of our accomplishments.

No you're not being sexist at all. You're just pointing out that women's weaknesses make them historically irrelevant. Reading you're post was like being bukkake'd with stupid. If you can afford an internet connection you're a 20 second google search away from a limitless sea of knowledge and you have no excuse for being this ignorant. End of story.

l-hedoniste · Accepted Answer

I really thought twice about burning mental wattage on this. But just in case someone makes the mistake of taking you seriously, here are a few things to think about.

"An average man can do physical tasks that an average women can't do, hence better paying jobs."

The strongest people I know are not the best paid people I know. In fact, the relationship between strength and income is--putting it mildly--uneven.

"An average man thinks more rationally, while women more emotionally, hence %99 of great leaders being men.(proven)"

99% of the "great" leaders also tend to be homicidal psychopaths--a male tendency. Are you sure you're not mistaking this for rationality?

"Who explored the seas and lands to discover worlds unknown?"

During the Age of Exploration, most women were the property of their husbands. Far from exploring the world, they couldn't even escape a beating.

"Who are the greatest athletes in the world Most famous musicians/bands Who built the cities we live in ? Who fights wars so you don't have to Who are the greatest scientists / artists in history ? Men (da vinci, Einstein etc.)Who are the greatest leaders in the world / history, etc., etc."

Women have had to fight for the vote, the right to work outside the home, to educate themselves, to get equal pay for equal work, and to divorce and flee abusive, *ss-kicking tyrants. They're even fighting for right to fight.

But, AT THE SAME TIME, they're supposed to excel in art, music, sports, science, and politics?

Can you imagine why someone would be tempted to not take this seriously?

"I'm not being sexist in any form..."

If this isn't sexism, then please: what is?

BriTheFunFactor · Answer

Ok this is kind of upsetting to see, I'm not going to lie. I'm going to keep it short and simple.

More woman in the United States support their men while the men stay home.

When the recession was bad, more men were laid off.

Women have more devotion and drive accomplish things they want.

And yes, there are things that men can do that woman cannot, but I don't think you realize that woman can also do things men cannot.

cjwright79 · Answer

I kinda think that you have a terribly immature attitude. I mean, it's not about who is better, it's about having a good time, and getting along well with as many people as you can manage.

haleyb · Answer

It's pretty clear what you THINK. You're still wrong.

haleyb · Answer

Yes, this is actually sexist. A massive, glaringly obvious point that you are completely missing is that for all but the first of these things, women were not ALLOWED to do these things. There was no competition. It wasn't as if there were women explorers etc- thanks to the society of that time-  who could just decide to venture out. No, they were forced to stay in the home and take care of the kids they probably had at a young age to some ancient abusive d***head. You probably also think that people who have lived in poverty for generations are responsible for the fact that they don't have a Ph.d. How am I not surprised someone who would ask this question is anonymous?

blahblah00 · Answer

You're f***ing dumb.

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