Guys what would you do if you were to witness a rape at a night club?

[Anonymous]

what would you do if you were to witness a rape at a night club? to be less broad I'll narrow down the scenario: lets say the man is 6'2'' 250lbs. he has the girl pinned down in the parking lot. coincidently it is happening right tnext to your car. the girl is bleeding from her head and her panties are on the ground next to her with the man on top of her. she is crying but seems to be barely conscious. what do you do?

[oh_henry_oh]

Once, years ago (this is true,) I was in a ladies bedroom, we had, ahem, retired for the night.

She had two roommates. One was at home, and we knew the other roommate was in a bar down the street, (this was in a college town.) No one in the house was surprised when she came home, and from the noise it was clear she was drunk and not alone. We were in the bedroom nearest the front door.

And I and the lady who was one of the roommates could clearly hear that the third roommate had two men with her, who she was trying to ditch at the door.

She was drunk, the guys were insistent. Probably, they had no idea that a man was close by. Of course I had zero clothes on, not really the best way to fight.

Well, very soon it was clear that I had to do something. I managed to put my shorts on and went out there. Of course I realized that a certain part of my anatomy would be a target.

The two guys had the girl on the floor. I couldn't have a long drawn out fight with them, there were two of them and I was wearing only underwear. I also knew though that whatever happened the cops would be there soon, because my girl friend started dialing while I had got my shorts on.

My idea was to poke my finger in the eye of the guy who trying very hard to poke the girl he had under him. (Really that was my idea when I left the bedroom. And no, I am not kidding or making this up.)

The other one, who had been holding the girl down tried to stop me -- and I knew that he was drunk. He wasn't much of a threat. I managed to put my foot atop his neck -- really, that was enough. He either passed out or pretended to or had sufficient trouble breathing that he didn't want to back up his friend.

The other guy kept saying that his uncle was > and I was in trouble.

He never penetrated the roommate. He wasn't that drunk but I think what saved the girl was the fact that she was, it was hard to coerce her.

The police arrived. They started to arrest me but all three roommates spoke up for me. I got to get my regular pants on. Unfortunately I was covered in blood, in fact I was the only one who seemed to be in trouble that way.

The cops took the two away, we gave statements and the cops put me into their car and drove me to the local hospital.

Only once I was examined did anyone realize that it wasn't my blood -- one of the guys, I don't know who must have gotten a nose bleed, I don't know. But the docs went all over me, nothing was wrong except I had a hairline fracture in an arm, no doubt because I had been hitting the would-be rapist for all I was worth, I knew that if I lost that battle I would get hit in the crotch. Which turned out, never happened.

(this was in the days before AIDS. I went home.)

I never did get any letters or summonses from the famous lawyer. He was probably ashamed of his would-be rapist nephew.

[oh_henry_oh]

The right angle bar character wasn't deleted, I had made a place holder for some one's name. (The Boston lawyer that the rapist was screaming about. He was warning me that I was in dire trouble, etc...)

[Marcin]

If I would ever witness any rape it would not matter how many guys their was or how big they were or if they had any weapons on them. My reaction would be the same. First If I had any females next to me I would tell them to run a way(for their safety of curse and call the cops) Than I would proceed to attack the rapists. (I could only imagine adrenaline in my blood at this point)

If theirs was one, I would try to choke him out or break his arm.

More than one I would try to knock them out. You never want to be on the ground with multiple opponents.

If I would get hurt in the process of helping this girl out I would NOT have any regrets. I could not live with a thought that some girl got raped and I did nothing to stop it.

[Anonymous]

I think there would be a few guys (10-15%) who would do the right thing and stop it but I don't think most would do anything. They'd most likely pull out their camera phones and video tape it, join in, or do nothing at best. I have little faith in humanity, especially when it comes to the abuse of women.

udolipixie's answer is extremely controversial but sadly it's correct. Many guys will SAY they would do the right thing, but most guys do not have the right attitude towards victims of rape, that's why I find it hard to believe that there are so many noble saviors who would rush to the defense of a woman. Maybe they might if they were witnessing the attack in action, but if that same woman was to report her rape with no witnesses she would not get much sympathy from the same guys who are saying "oh I'm not like that, I'd help!" yeah righ

[udolipixie]

Most guys would probably do nothing.

Some would call the police after.

People say they would do the right thing in theory but in practice most fail to do so.

[slipslender]

'most guys would probably do nothing' i don't think that statement is fair at all.

[hALLDAY]

In this context, most people would jump in. However, I would agree if it was a random fist fight or someone was murdered they wouldn't in fear of their own life or health.

[Levin]

Actually, as much as I disagree with most of your posts, there's something in this. There's countless instances of this, including a documentary I saw of an innocent young girl getting the crap beaten out of her by a pack of black women. The people on the bus looked on, not one intervened. Self preservation makes sense, in instances where you can't realistically help (for example a group of lads against you alone). Plus people become paralysed with fear, they underestimate the power of the

[udolipixie]

There's that & the fact that most people blame rape victims. So to a guy he's not thinking what a sicko but what did she do to encourage this.

[Levin]

emotions they'll experience. Having said that, I would intervene if I could realistically help. I would have done so in my bus example, even at risk to myself. My conscious would burn me up, the adrenaline coursing through my fines. I'd find whatever large object I could, and would smash it over the theoretically rapist with all the force I could muster. I wouldn't stand idly by.

[Levin]

Also, your characterisation of men, well I could go on about it at length, but quite simply it's not true. I don't see it as 'her asking for it', so your theory is obviously false. I suggest you look into where these negative feelings about men stem from. You're already on shaky ground with your stupid blanket statements. All people are different. Some are good, some are bad. Just because you were wronged, that doesn't give you the right to tar us all with the same brush

[slipslender]

this is so disheartening. I've always stepped in in situations where I see someone else getting hurt or in danger. it might be 'stupid' or 'risky', but I've never been able to just stand back and watch.

[udolipixie]

People are selfish. It's best to verify never trust & believe everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

[Levin]

slipslender, let's say you're male, (so the theoretical group of men, say 5 of them) wouldn't think twice about beating you to a pulp, they've already done it to one person. Would you intervene then? This phenomenon in itself is fascinating though, mostly disgusting. How people look on when they CAN make a difference. People think themselves moral beings, but how quickly it falls down when it's put to the test. This is why I am so eternally disheartened by my species.

[Levin]

udolipixie, good, keep on saying people, rather than men. That's at least in some way tolerable, even if I still wouldn't go that far. Your posts have been hitherto extremely offensive. I reiterate, there ARE good men out there, it's a fact. And if you think otherwise, then you're deluded and have a distorted view of us.

[udolipixie]

Oh there are good men/women out there just in low numbers. I should start using people instead of men but most of the questions ask about men specifically. I guessusing people will show I distrust equally.

[slipslender]

honestly, I think I would. it's just who I am...also, I believe that phenomenon is called 'dispersion of responsibility' (look up kitty genovese). my viewpoint on men has certainly taken a hit today :/

[Levin]

This has nothing to do with men. You've no evidence that women would act any differently. I stand by everything I've said. In my theoretical example you've just been beaten into a coma, and not helped one jot. You'd have helped more by running in the opposite direction, and trying to get some assistance.

[udolipixie]

Try finding out how studies show most men have the same view on rape in certain situations as the Anonymous Guy and even more women feel the same. Learning about human behavior just makes you realizes people in general suck.

[slipslender]

i was referring to Anonymous' response- it's more than disappointing. but I do see how, in that particular situation, it would be more helpful of me to get outside assistance.

[Levin]

This thread has made my headache feel much worse.

[slipslender]

*hands over bottle of advil* i know the feeling. sigh.

[MrOracle]

Call my lawyer, and let him know that I'm going to need some representation.

The last time I was in a similar situation, I had a sprained wrist and broken finger, and he had a broken left orbital and severe brusing and facial lacerations. And a couple of loose teeth.

I'm not an especially good fighter, but motivation and adrenaline are very powerful.

[Lovelesspassion]

Id make as much noise as possable yelling at the guy and make sure everyone around could hear me and id run at him to push him away.. I might even say I called the cops

I might have called but most likly id be more concerend with the girl now and call later..

If I had somthing quick to grab I might sneak up on him or might not but id smash it over his back a few times..

[usbiv223]

Either (a) pin him to a car with his arm behind his back until the police arrive or (b) watch as my wife beats the ever loving $hit out of him.

Also, pray that I don't get my head shot off in the process.

[Little-Hippie]

Honestly?

I'd probably fire a round off and see what he does.

[Shane1017]

I grew up with the whole keep to yourself, don't snitch thing where I'm from. If I'm a witness to anything that doesn't have to do with a friend or family then I don't get involved. You just act like you didn't see anything and walk away or you may be next is how I grew up.

Might seem dumb but if a guy is crazy enough to rape someone in a parking lot then he might be crazy enough to pack something and I'm not getting hurt for a stranger.

[timetowaste]

How would you feel if it were your mom.. your sister, your GF, your wife, your future daughter that someone saw being beaten and raped in a parking lot and no one did anything?

[Shane1017]

I would be mad and upset.

[timetowaste]

Exactly.

[Shane1017]

I have feelings towards them and not the stranger.

[timetowaste]

But that girl would be someone's daughter, someone's mother, someone's girlfriend, someone's sister.

[Shane1017]

That doesn't matter to me tho lol, I'm not going to get hurt for some stranger and their family that doesn't even know or care that I exist. It's messed up in your eyes but it's perfectly clear in my eyes not to help a stranger.

[timetowaste]

Well then I hope if you're ever in a position where you're helpless and on the verge of dying in public that no one stops to help you.

[Shane1017]

I hope there is someone there like you who cares to help.

[timetowaste]

But it's a bit hypocritical to want someone to help you, or one of your loved ones.. but you wouldn't be willing to do it for someone else.

[Shane1017]

I know, I get your point fully, it's just I wouldn't do anything it's how I was brought up.

[timetowaste]

That's sad and unfortunate that that is the way you see things.

[nara1234]

ok but that's his opinion! wtf? just because you would do that doesn't mean he would.

[hALLDAY]

Jump in, toss a few punches and try pin him. Bouncers would probably notice the commotion and give me a hand with the guy until the cops arrived.

[sikoo31]

idc how big that f***er is, I'll find a way to kill his ass.

f*** rapist.

[taster]

hit him over the head with my beer or whiskey bottle

[Anonymous]

juz 1 thing...: attempt to save the girl

[Anonymous]

Well for one I'd never be at a night club, but that's irrelevant. I intend to join the military within the next few years and as a user said below, I plan on getting a concealed weapons license because I'm very cautious and paranoid. So if I were to see something like that happening, I'd probably threaten the guy to let go with my gun, and then when he's vulnerable beat the sh*t out of him, but not kill him. With the f***ed up (sometimes) justice system I'd actually be charged with murder with a deadly weapon due to military experience.(if I used my body) But he would be hurting, that's for sure.

P.S. I'm posting this annonymous not because I'm a pussy, but because some asshole is gonna make a remark about my weight, as happens on these types of answers.

[Anonymous]

First, I'd wonder what on earth I'm doing at a night club.

Second, it would depend on what I've got. If I had a proper weapon (I very much intend to acquire a concealed handgun license), I'd have no moral qualms about murdering him right there in the parking lot. Naturally, having the weapons to do so quickly and efficiently would keep the risk to myself at a low. If I did not have such implements, I'd go back in and tell someone in staff that there's a rape happening outside, and make sure the police get called (which would happen even if I did kill the guy). If assistance was gathered, like bouncers and other staff, I'd help get the dude off and whatnot if needed.

[Anonymous]

udolipixie obviously hates men

[udolipixie]

Not hate just distrust. Did you not see the other Anonymous Guy? My distrust is valid.

[Opinion Owner]

yes I saw it and it was a stupid answer from him. But we're not all like that

[udolipixie]

Rather not take that risk.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm sorry if some guy has betrayed your trust in the past. Seriously there are decent guys in the world believe it or not

[udolipixie]

Whybdo people assume some guy hurt me? Yeah there are decent guys/girls but there are too few of them to take a risk on the majority. But either way my point was I don't hate men just distrust them like I do all people.

[Opinion Owner]

...okay

[Anonymous]

depends on what she was wearing

if she provoked it by wearing slutty clothes then nothing

[slipslender]

...that's f***ed up.

[Opinion Owner]

why would I risk my own safety if it was partially her fault?

[udolipixie]

That's not f*cked up most men believe women are at fault for rape. It's never completely the rapists fault to men. +1 Proving me right about men

[Opinion Owner]

all I am saying is why should I risk myself if she knew the risks of wearing slutty clothes at night

[slipslender]

wearing provocative clothing justifies rape? wow...

[Opinion Owner]

it does not justify but it does provoke I won't risk my life for a girl that could have avoided it by not dressing like a stripper

[slipslender]

...or men could simply exercise some self-control and keep it in their pants, right? that's always a viable option.

[Opinion Owner]

some men can't so if women want to risk it fine but don't expect other people to risk themselves for your lack of responsibility this is like walking down a dark street with money sticking out your pocket, you are asking for it

[Levin]

Actually, the reason men rape is not because they find women sexually attractive. Else, it would happen more frequently, and every man would be liable to it. It's because they lack empathy, and are utterly f***ed up psychologically. Rather than saying anything insightful, you've just told us a whole lot more about the sort of person you are. Anonymous pussy.

[slipslender]

this might come across as harsh, but I wish I could pinpoint people like yourself and just run in the opposite direction.

[Anonymous]

Call the cops and quickly get a whole lot of other guys together and then grab the bastard and hold hill until the cops arrive

[Opinion Owner]

hold him*