Why I Am Not An Equalitarian

[lost_alice]

1.Guys complaints about feminism:

In a movememt called equalitarism I would expect men wanting their rights and women rights too and the same way around. But most guys don't like/support feminism because it is about womens rights, in equalitarism they would be fighting for womens rights either way, so how can they hate feminism so much? because it is not about them.

Why would I be part of a movement where men only think about themselves but expect me to think about their rights too?

people that hate feminism say this things but say they are equalitarians haha

2.There are issues that wouldn't be able to be discussed:

One example is the morning after pills, there is people against it and in Brazil they are trying to make it ilegal. Only women takes it so it wouldn't be equal even though it can be good to both genders but since both can't have it, it doesn't go with the movement.

3.The word comes from equality-equal:

Women works, have kids, take care of the house, go to war- so we can do a lot of things men can(thanks to feminism). But do men want to do things girls do? take care of the house, take care of the kids, even wear makeup if they want to?- if we want equal rights there is no girls things and guys things. But no, most men don't want those things, in most parts because it will hurt their masculinity, but it is okay to hurt our femininity? I can't find the equality here

just cause I am not an equalitarian doesn't mean I want the first pic to happen but would equalitarism really make the second one happen?

this take inpired me to do mine:https://www.girlsaskguys.com/social-relationships/a29327-feminism-isn-t-about-equality-equalitarianism-is

but different from him I am not going to tell people what to be but if you are an equalitarian be there for everyone: girls, guys, trans, gays, bi because equality isn't only between genders

[Jehovahkiin]

You’re operating your argument on the false notion that people oppose feminism because it involves women rights. But you’re wrong, that’s not why people oppose feminism. People oppose feminism because the movement is contingent upon blatant lies, misrepresentation of facts (ironically, like what you are doing) and placing female rights in precedence of male rights. It annoys me how feminists treat men. They started working for a necessary change, but now the movement has been morphed into making guys feel like they’re wrong and evil for not being like girls.

Maybe you’re deliberately super-strawmanning the initial general argument proposed by anti-feminism proponents, or maybe you’re just utilising what you see over N. American media/the internet by feminists and trying to incorporate it in your own country. Dunno about the situation in your country, but if that is the case, then you should've specified in your Take that it can only be applied to your country. Otherwise the presumed state would mean the most common form of feminism.

For your second point. Who’s to say that those who oppose illegalizing emergency contraception are the same people who advocate egalitarianism? If they aren’t, then your argument has literally no grounds against egalitarianism.

Third point. You’re conflating social and gender norms for the restriction of gender’s rights. Men’s refusal to wear makeup or become a house-husband (lol) due to masculinity issues does not in any way have any bearing on infringing upon someone’s rights. Lol. Go learn.

[lost_alice]

none of my points are why it doesn't work or it is bullshit it is about why I don't want to be part of it can't you read the title

[Jehovahkiin]

None of my points ARE addressing whether it works or doesn’t work. I was simply responding to the logical holes in your arguments.

[lost_alice]

cool I still think the same lol you won't change my opinion everyone have theirs

[Jehovahkiin]

Dw. I assumed you wouldn't regardless.

Either way, I'm right and you're still wrong. ;)

[lost_alice]

hahah no

[Jeeevan]

Alice got told. Now what?

[lost_alice]

@Jeeevan who is Alice?

[lost_alice]

@Jeeevan sorry that is not her name

[madhatters4]

great take.
i agree with #1 so much and am baffled at the way people sort of dissect the two feminism and egalitarianism. as if supporting equality for women (feminism) is somehow goign hand in hand with oppressing men... of course it's not

it's similar to those who say they can't support black lives matters because they think all lives matter... as if saying black lives matter somehow means other lives don't

[lost_alice]

at least someove understands me

[thetalentedphantom]

I think it's because feminazi's give a bed rep to feminism. I support equality for all (I'm a humanitarian) and that would imply support for feminism, but I have yet to meet a genuine feminist IN REAL LIFE that didn't have this distorted reality of men and inexplicable hatred for them. Honestly it's just some politically correct nonsense about which word is the right word. It shouldn't matter as long as you support the same ideals.

[lost_alice]

@thetalentedphantom you Know that humanism doesn't have anything to do with equal rights it is like the humans are more important than gods

[thetalentedphantom]

Look at what you wrote, and look at what I wrote. The spelling makes a difference.

[thetalentedphantom]

And maybe it was not intentional, but I pick up a bit of sass in your reply. I don't appreciate that, miss.

[lost_alice]

@thetalentedphantom I dont care about What you appreciate

[thetalentedphantom]

Since you completely disregarded what I said, let me explain that humanism and humanitarianism are two different things.

Second of all, you're just an average disrespectful teenager. I shouldn't waste my time talking to you any more. Perhaps English is not your best language. Enjoy your ignorance, Ms. Disrespectful Know-it-all!

[lost_alice]

@thetalentedphantom thanks? haha

[madhatters4]

@thetalentedphantom "I have yet to meet a genuine feminist IN REAL LIFE that didn't have this distorted reality"

i think that is because genuine feminist like genuine humanist or genuine egalitarians don't have to announce themselves. i am a feminist but i don't go around telling people i just live it. i treat everyone equally. so perhaps the people you meet who simply treat all people fair and equal are feminist

[thetalentedphantom]

Exactly sir, as in, I have yet to meet a genuine feminist in person. I suppose my interactions so far have been with feminazis.

[LogicBomber]

Both men and women complain about feminism because of it's actions. It has proven it is a hate group. It has nothing to do with not supporting "women's rights" very few people don't support women's rights/ Feminism on the other hand is constantly suppressing and fighting to take away the rights of men.

I can show you an endless number of video proof of feminist acting like pschyopaths towards men and men's groups, I ask you to find me one of men's groups doing the same to suppress women's groups.

You refuse to be a part of a group where you think men only think of themselves, but are happy to be a part of a group that is only for women and actually fights against men openly and agressivly?

I find it hilarious that you use one quote from a nut job right wing politician as an example of what everyone who hates feminism says and avoid all the actual facts and logic people use against feminism for EVERY argument they spew.

*NONE of the things you think you are capable of doing "because of feminism" were actually because of feminism. Your echo chamber is known for taking credit for things they actually had little to no part in. But just an FYI men actually do take care of the house, take care of the kids, and some even wear make up when they want to. Men fight daily for the rights to have or see their kids because a sexist bias court system and horrible female parents alienate the fathers from their children. SO your skewed view of men and "masculinity" is not only completely wrong it's down right ignorant.

It isn't completely your fault you are so beyond brainwashed by feminism to believe these nonsense things without questioning any of it... feminism is notorious for creating a false victim complex, fear mongering, and indoctrinating young naive females into feminism as soon as they can. You need to look outside your echo chamber and actually research the bull crap feminism tells you.
- Wage gap is a myth
- Rape stats are falseifies
- Women could vote, own land, and work long before feminism.
- Etc ETC ETC

*Yes I expect you will likely just ignore this, throw in a petty shaming tactic, then block me. This is the common response to truth against feminism. But It would be better if you proved me wrong and showed you weren't completely compartmentalized.

[lost_alice]

stop stereotyping feminism

[LogicBomber]

It isn't a stereotype... do you think calling the KKK a hate group is a stereotype because there might be some "good ones"?
The actions of feminism speak for themselves.

[lost_alice]

think whatever you want you are just a useless person

[LogicBomber]

Ok so you ignore everything that doesn't fit your echo chamber and then start making petty jabs at me as a person simply for pointing them out... tell me again how you are part of a group that believes in equality?
This is exactly the problem with feminism. You are proving everything I stated and you actually don't even care. You know you are doing it and you feel justified and actually think you are right.
This is why there is an ever growing number of women going against feminism.
Why can't you simply accept that you might be wrong and look into other opinions. Why do you want to be the victim so badly?

[lost_alice]

I didn't even read what you wrote go do something good with your life

[LogicBomber]

So you refuse to even look at anything that goes against your false compartmentalized views?
That's also a very common feminist trait. You are not making your argument any more valid.
You want me to do good with my life and yet you are the one in a hate group? Do you see the irony there?

[lost_alice]

I am not reading because MyTake isn't about feminism, don't you get it?

[LogicBomber]

You used both Equalitarian and Feminism 5 times.
Your take was very much about feminism in relation to Equalitarianism and my comment was answering the comment you mentioned directly.

[lost_alice]

I am saying why I am not an equalitarian and you want to tell me why I shouldn't be a feminist hahaha

[LogicBomber]

Yes you stated Equalitarianism was against female issues... which it isn't.
You mentioned the morning after pill which has nothing to do with any Equalitarianism stance.
You tried equating Equalitarianism with men not wanting to do house work or taking care of kids... which is demonstrably false.

Then you threw in feminism a few times to show your true stance and those points were also all false. "hahaha"
I don't see where you are having issues?

[lost_alice]

you don't know how to read lol

[LogicBomber]

That's a poor attempt at a shaming tactic. But anyone who see's these comments will be able to tell you that my education (albeit irrelevant) is far more vast than you want to pretend it is. I research and know actual facts about what you blindly believe.
You also stated yourself you didn't read my comment and refuse to bother looking into all the facts that refute your ideology, which brings to question your reading ability and education.

yes I get that you are only 16 and live in a bubble. But come on now, you can't honestly think your schoolyard shaming will validate anything you said?

[lost_alice]

you didn't get the point of MyTake

[LogicBomber]

Yes I did get the point of your take.
You don't think Equalitarianism is for you because you think it's against female issues.
But what you think Equalitarianism is, is nothing like what Equalitarianism actually is.

[lost_alice]

no I don't think it is against female issue

[LogicBomber]

OK... Your very first sentence...
Why would men be Equalitarian when men are against feminism and being Equalitarian would meant they would have to fight for womens rights.

Feminism isn't fighting for women's rights, feminism fights against men's rights under the guise of fighting for women's rights. While Equalitarian would actually fight for actual issues men and women face. Not fabricated ones.

Your other two points go right off the rails of logic.

[Slikmix]

What an immature little brat. I'm talking about OP, not you Logic.

[Partywithtom]

I'm all for equal rights, and for the most part think we are there. However, I feel some societally expected norms aren't taking into consideration that effect laws/behaviours of all. Genders/sex of a person inherently has pros and cons which should just be accepted.

You want true equality you (women) can't expect a man to always pay on dates, ask you out, all the things we've taught "men do that" etc... Women WILL ALWAYS have an advantage here. Women are sexually selective from evolution where men have to "spread their seed" to survive. If a woman goes and punches a guy she damn well has every right to get knocked out by said man. Because the "you don't hit women" rule gets tossed out the window thanks to total equality. Men and women sport's well I'm sorry but men will just be better. We are by designed stronger than Women. You'd have to make a coed team and with current sports would really bring down the competition and just not happen. Women will always have seduction tactics as an inherent plus which is, in my opinion, with out a doubt the best trait of male/female. Also theirs the "once you get married standard" you have the yes honey you're always right rule which would have to go. 90℅ of the time you're just 100℅ flat out wrong bit because we love you we prioritize that over the truth so we just nod and agree. Woman run the house in MAJORITY of the case men have little or no say. That's gotta go in a truly equal world... Women ALWAYS have the advantage in child rights cases which is WELL BEYOND UNFAIR for men whom love their children and want to provide for them. You get divorced and more than likely women get custody. There are all sorts of things that are basically the shapers of our laws. There is SOOOOOOOOOO much more behind it than people really appreciate it even consider. List goes on an on

So do you really want TRUE equality? Is it even achievable? I don't know but I do know that in a truly equal society nothing has value. If everyone is happy no one can experience sadnesses which in itself makes being "happy" . We keep making laws to protect everyone but ultimately we can't and should accept some small portion of negative crimes. We have to accept some level of negative. If there are no negatives we have only neutral and can't then truly appreciate what we have. It sucks for those whom lose but I think it's necessary.

[HorrorFan]

1. Egalitarianism is not a movement. Egalitarianism is merely a belief that everyone should be treated equally.

Feminism is a movement. Like any movement, it harbors extremists and loud mouth pieces that distort any sort of positive message the movement is attempting to convey. It is filled with feminazis, man haters, professional victims and other various subsets of women that purely care about women and women alone. They are eternally fighting for what they believe is some magical form of equality in the west that hasn't been obtained after the first two waves of feminism and attempt to censor, ban or simply hide from any rational person calling them out on their bullshit.

Feminists like to create a false dichotomy. They think you can only be one of two things. A feminist or a misogynist. This is both false and absurd, but sadly it is effective enough to essentially scare a bunch of women and ignorant men into supporting their cause.

No rational man will agree with that supposed Pat Robertson quote.

2. This makes no sense. I'm not sure what morning after pills have to do with egalitarianism vs feminism. All issues can be discussed. It sounds like you are creating your own, bizarre definitions of things.

3. Equal rights have NOTHING to do with individual or even typical gender preferences. Plenty of men take care of their homes and children. Some men, such as rockstars and actors, do wear makeup. This all boils down to an individual.

The reason most men don't wear makeup is because there is no rational reason for us to put shit on our face. We all collectively are essentially saying "this is what we look like. Take it or leave it." Most women simply choose not to follow suit.

How are men hurting your femininity?

You seem to be confused. Equality isn't about just doling out everything in equal measure. It's about one group not legally being allowed to do certain things or being severely shunned by their peers and society in general.

Women in the west are equal to men. You have the right to do all the things we can do. Feminism is attempting to fight a battle it has already won during it's first two waves.

It's time they hang up their pitch forks and lives their lives.

[lost_alice]

the whole world doesn't live on the west

[HorrorFan]

No shit. Nothing you were arguing about applies to the parts of the world where women are ACTUALLY oppressed.

[lost_alice]

it applies to where I live

[AleDeEurope]

Egalitarianism is: we fight for the rights of both genders.
Feminism is: we fight for women's rights and screw men.

Who the heck told you men don't want to take care of the kids and the house? That's a stupid assumption and shows your sexism, which is not surprised given that you're a feminist.
I'm a man and I take care of the house, and will keep taking care of it once I get married. When I have kids, I will stay at home if necessary.

You're assuming bad things about men, but you always argue that feminism has nothing to do with hating men... well your actions say otherwise.

If you REALLY want equality, you would be an egalitarian (or equalitarian), not a feminist. It's that simple.

[lost_alice]

that is your opinion, don't tell me I hate men

[AleDeEurope]

That's what I see.

[lost_alice]

I don't hate men it is just that most part of the people I hate are men

[AleDeEurope]

Hahahahah

[Toad-1]

Lol she just contradicted herself in the same sentence

[lost_alice]

@Toad-1 I was kidding, don't you know that sentence?

[SovereignessofVamps]

You sound like a feminist, with wanting to switch gender roles.

[lost_alice]

@SovereignessofVamps who?

[SovereignessofVamps]

this guy.

[AleDeEurope]

@SovereignessofVamps where did I say we should change gender roles?

[SovereignessofVamps]

men taking care of kids and stay at home dads! I'm not against it, but that's like a feminist thing.

[lost_alice]

@SovereignessofVamps and why is that a problem? if he wants to do it let him do it

[SovereignessofVamps]

I said I'm not against it lol.

[AleDeEurope]

@SovereignessofVamps I never said thar should be the man's duty, or that the guy should be a stay at home dad. You can share chores with your wife/gf if you're living together. I want a kid as much as my future wife, so I'm not just gonna have it and leave it all to her, I wanna raise it too.
It's not switching roles, it's sharing.

[SovereignessofVamps]

of course... but you said U wanted to stay at home. which is cool, just saying it's very open minded and at least a little feminist.

[AleDeEurope]

@SovereignessofVamps no, I said I will stay at home if necessary, not that I want to.

[SovereignessofVamps]

you can want to lol

[msfuntastic]

Egalitarians want to look at every issue from a neutral perspective. They don't prescribe to a dogma about oppression and privilege, and the goal of egalitarians is not to create equal outcomes for the genders, because that is artificial. It's about -promoting- equal opportunities for both. They realize that gender disparities are not all created by discrimination and sexism, and that gender disparities existing is ultimately OK. If most women prefer to stay at home and cook and clean and raise kids, that's fine. For those who do want a career, that's also fine. But we shouldn't be trying to convince women to work more just so that we can say men and women are "equal".

What you feminists fail to realize is that it doesn't matter who does the cleaning around the house, as long as both are happy with their end of the relationship bargain.

Egalitarians care about women's issues but are not going to take sides on anything, rather they would like to find a middle ground. What is the most fair thing for all involved? How do we solve a problem without blaming an entire group of people?

Feminism is the opposite. Women are victims of society, men do all of this bad stuff, women need to be given special opportunity. All of this patriarchy and oppression, where whites and capitalism is evil. It is lunacy and it's obviously a failing radical ideology.

[SinisterS]

First of I dont see problem with doing cleaning or house work hell i probably can do it better than 80% of women maybe even more. But if you expect equality will same women help me lift things that wight 100-200kg {220-440lbs} (am not exagerating i can lift things in that range). There is no equality in way some imbeciles try to paint it. Girl will be way better at some things than me and am better at other. Equality about job, laws and things like that is what talk should be about. But lets be honest laws heavily are in favor of women now days.
Talking about gender equality in way some do its like wanting to play basketball like Jordan will you can't even walk straight, or soccer like Maradona, Box like Mohamed Ali, tennis like Novak Djokovic... That is not what equality is about and selling that for equality is retarded. There will be people that are better than you but all should have same rights.
O and by the way man that love his wife especially if wife is good person and not spoiled manipulative (must use it) bitch that abuse feministic crap to get better deal will always get help from her men. We at last know how to love and when you do you always help person you love, hell sometimes even do things instead of them even if they do it 1000 times better than you. Feminism will not make you want to help them or do things instead of them it will just make you act like jackass on purpose. Cos if she can be be bitch you can be asshole... And where that leads? Nowhere good...

[mistixs]

"But if you expect equality will same women help me lift things that wight 100-200kg {220-440lbs} (am not exagerating i can lift things in that range). There is no equality in way some imbeciles try to paint it."

See, that's the problem. For instance, I'm 80 pounds. I can barely lift my cat who is 10 pounds. But if people hear "equality" they immediately assume "SAME" like you just did. How about I *not* have to lift 250 pound things, just like a man of my stature shouldn't have to lift 250 pound things?

"Equality" should be allowing everyone to do what's in their abilities, not forcing them if they're not capable.

[SinisterS]

@mistixs So if girl is heavier than me she should help me lift that or more than me? I you actually look at what i have said it should be clear that am mocking usual way of looking at things and how everyone is selling equality. Normal person treated women with respect and not really equally but privileged before any movement for female rights or twisted nonsense about equality. Its normal to treat women kind of more privileged and do more than her but its wrong to force that out from man its wrong cos then you want to put him in same place as slave. Equality in rights and opportunities is what things should be about not way they sell it right now cos way they sell it right now we should expect women to help us with heavy physical work and i personally would never do that even if female is actually stronger than me.
Equality should be about rights and in some countries women actually have way more right than man but still cry about not being equal.

[YourFutureEx]

Statement 1: "so how can they hate feminism so much? because it is not about them."

Statement 2: "Why would I be part of a movement where men only think about themselves but expect me to think about their rights too?"

LOLOLOL Oxymoron!

And we don't need your equality
https://i.imgur.com/0yN8vQh.jpg

And considering your third point, you don't even know what feminism is. Kid trying to act cool by posting on internet and doing nothing in real life except hating men.

[Anpu23]

The biggest problem with feminism is not the fact that it helps women, it's that it blocks programs that help men. Such as the fact that suicide is the number one killer of young men in the US, boys are dropping out of school at an alarming rate and so the White house creates a program to address those issues, they called it "Boys To Men" this programs funding was blocked by feminists as it didn't also help girls, yet there are already MANY MANY programs that help young women that do not help boys.

Young men are killing themselves at an alarming rate, and it keeps getting worse, yet here was a program designed to address it, and it was killed.

[lost_alice]

I agree with you but how can a movement to equality for both genders problems only focus on men

[Anonymous]

I got in big trouble with my schools 'equality board' during my school days which is the reason I don't particularly like feminists. My position was that Im not really a feminist but I respected the movement and had no particular problem with feminists (my girlfriend is one).
Last year I atteneded a debating competion representing my school. The format gives each team 15 minutes to prepare for a motion, and then debate against another team, so as you can see not much time to prepare. The motion was as follows: 'This House believes womens lib has been harmful to children.' I was prop meaning I argued for this motion. I did anything I could to win that debate which inevitably meant slamming womens lib. My partner and I went through to the next round and all was good.
About a week later the a girl in my year pulled me aside and said she heard I had issues with womens lib. I explained it was for a debate, but she wasn't having any of it. She summoned me to see the equality board which was run by the deputy head of my school who is an outspoken feminist.
They seemed particularly worried that I was anti-working women, because in my debate I spoke of the harm this could have on children. They wanted me to apologise. I just told them I was happy to engage them in debate, and that feminism is not a dogma. The deputy head spoke to me in her office afterwards. She said they had considered banning me from representing the school in debating competitions due to my 'sexist' views but had decided to give me a warning.
And this is why I have a grudge on feminists.

[vishna]

My qualm is that often the anti-feminist men are so hateful and stubborn, who cares about movements they like. I say this because they don't respect my opinion enough for me to respect theirs. I'm sick of guys saying "all feminists do this-they hate men-they don't care about men's issues" Anyone that puts words in my mouth and tries to silence my voice won't be heard by me because they aren't giving me that pleasure.

[lost_alice]

see the comments here they are all from men whining about that

[vishna]

It's sickening, and it's disrespectful. I'm beyond happy there are open minded guys out there who aren't so bull headed and argumentative.

[lost_alice]

yes me too, I like you

[OrdinaryGentleman]

... Oh yeah? now it makes sense as to why you won't get out of my mf-in kitchen, smh you women never listen

[vishna]

@OrdinaryGentleman We let you open the pickle jars to feel important.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

Ill let you women wash the dishes to have some semblance of being needed.

[vishna]

@OrdinaryGentleman I make a man a sandwich because he'll starve to death otherwise.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

Women burn water in the process of getting confused about where to cut pre-sliced bread
#patriarchyrulesthekitchens

[OrdinaryGentleman]

https://i.imgur.com/xtkWS.gif
Target down #mykitchenrules

[vishna]

@OrdinaryGentleman Men loose their sperm in vaginas and loose their brains when asked to pay for their 18 year hang overs.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

0_o women and men should be extra careful. Women need to be even more so because they are the ones who can conceive, so far men cannot (damn)/

[vishna]

@OrdinaryGentleman I'm just messing with you! :D

[OrdinaryGentleman]

Lmao, i am surprised i haven't gone full apple1fan yet with women, you may be one of the few girls keeping my hope alive for actual good humans of the female variety.
@asker in case you were wondering, i think all immature young people should jump off a cliff together, i sincerely hate young males and females because they do not have maturity when it comes to fucking and dating. It feels like i am wading through londons sewer canals of the dating world.
We should put chastity belts on the females and spiked cock rings on the males and remove them at the age of 90.
Everyone can feel the pain and remove those societal implications because then everyone will be unhappy.
#worldhungersolved

[vishna]

@OrdinaryGentleman How to back hand compliment 101 "you may be one of the few girls keeping my hope alive for actual good humans of the female variety." Thanks, glad I'm one of 'the good ones' :1

[OrdinaryGentleman]

I don't see how this is a backhand compliment

[vishna]

@OrdinaryGentleman Ok. :1 inbox me >:o where I'll give you something to see *inserts url to penis pictures*

[KRIEL55]

words of wisdom right here. the only reason being "equalitarian" became a thing is because men started feeling threatened by women finally getting some equality so they made up a whole new thing to act as though they're oppressed (by women finally almost having the same rights) and also need help. its ridiculous.

[lost_alice]

how many up votes can I give this? lol

[KRIEL55]

aha thats what i was thinking about this take. im like how can anyone disagree with this. but then i looked down, and of course there are a bunch of bitter men trying to fight for something. like really now. they're too insecure to accept women as equals and love to talk shit about feminists, but then act completely hypocritical by wanting to over power women. they're basically asking for peoples help to control women because they feel oppressed by equality. pathetic.

[datgirl]

Omg MHO right here. Took the thoughts right out of my head

[Anotherdumbblonde]

God I wish GaG had an option to just block the word feminism and equalitarian. In the end it really doesn't matter what anyone calls themselves, it matters what you believe and every person is different. Being one or the other really doesn't change anything or make a bit of freaking difference. If you want to know what someone thinks, here's a crazy though- ASK THEM. I swear y'all spend more time arguing over what you want to call yourselves and others, than you do about the actual issue of equality.

[lost_alice]

I wasn't telling anyone what to be I am saying why I am not an equalitarian

[Anotherdumbblonde]

I understand what you were saying and even see your point some- what but you're also labeling and explaining yourself and it just doesn't matter what it's called in the end.

[modeve]

I teach Women's Studies in a college, so have read a lot about Equalitarian (Egalitarian) and Feminists movements. Men are right because THEY HAVE VERY VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE, PERCEPTION AND UNDERSTANDING about these movements. Centuries ole male dominant culture does not think of seeing any woman, be wife, girlfriend, mom or sister, to have their due rights.
Yes there is a group (Wave of Feminism) which preaches for lesbianism, no connection with men, hatred towards them, absolute freedom and liberty. It's one group only, not supported by all feminists.

[Chief16]

https://img.memecdn.com/feminazis_o_1146409.jpg

[sp33d]

That's not entirely accurate, but man is that hilarious :D

- In every joke, there's something exaggerated, something waaay out of proportion - G. Carlin

[Nelson_MP]

Equalitarianism is supposed to be basically the fight for equality without the batshit crazy feminists. But it's up to your conscience, you know that feminism is being thrown in a big trash can because of several supporters.

Although I am brazilian, I didn't know much about the morning pill thing, but from what I just read, it basically says that someone in a drugstore can decide to not sell it if he/she considers it abortive. It's not like you can't find it in another drugstore or that a place based in profit will stop selling something because "morals". It's like the gay wedding cake thing, you can choose between bitching or just seaching in another place.

Enfim, é tudo muito subjetivo. Mas respeito a sua visão e entendi o que você quis dizer.

[lost_alice]

eles ainda tão vendo de mudar essa regra e fazer totalmente ilegal a venda

[VictoriousSausage]

to be honest, the best way to create equality is to do the thing you want to do and ignore society's judgement, and those options have really opened up now, thanks femenists and equalitists, you both fight for an amazing cause and you've made some really good strides, so i'm happy to work along a female colleague, women have different mental characteristics to men, they're typically more calm and less aggressive, which makes them ideal in medical, tactical and engineering situations (i'm joining the Royal navy just saying), so really thank you women, if we didn't have you, our lives would be a lot different, and definitely not as good as they are now. (i think it also important to allow people to do what they want, you can be a doctor a nurse or a stay at home mum or dad if you choose, it doesn't matter as long as it makes you happy)

[Spiorad_Aisce]

I see where you are going but I feel some men have corrupted Equalitarism to bash feminism. It is like the Soviet Union corrupted the true mean of communism and socialism. I am a equalitarian and I take it in its purest form equal rights for all like say in the issues you mentioned - I will look at things case by case, if it applies only to women fair enough but they deserve to have the equal rights and privileges in these cases. In speaking about work and the home, yes work, duties, privileges and duties should be shared equally.
I do resent somewhat the highjacking of my beliefs and them being twisted to serve their agenda. I would like to see positive feminism and positive men's rights activism being able to proceed within the equalitarian umbrella.

[the_rake]

Strawman fallacy:

"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern: Person A has position X."

[lost_alice]

honey I don't need a class

[the_rake]

evidently you do, because your thinking is absolutely ridden with logical fallacies. forget about the disagreement we are having, it's actually really good for you and clears your way of thinking to try and understand the basic fallacies and how they perpetuate in human thinking. check this out:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

everybody thinks they think logically until they learn what logic actually is. have a hard time understanding teachers? logic will help. have a hard time relating with and empathising with others? if you already have emotional intelligence then you can combine logic with what you already know about people. logic is great, this is not even me trying to be a smart ass. it helped me a tremendous amount.

[lost_alice]

I had two years of logic at school and I finished it whit the highest grade

[lost_alice]

with*

[the_rake]

what kind of logic? verbal logic? non-verbal? have you ever looked into debate logic?

[lost_alice]

all of them, it was 2 years honey

[the_rake]

so you know about debate logic?

from which people did debate logic originate?

[lost_alice]

you think I need to prove u something? as you said I am 16

[the_rake]

I think that you can't prove anything because you don't know.

[the_rake]

By the way, debate logic originated in ancient greece with the socratic method which was invented by socrates and passed down to his student, Plato who taught reasoning skills to his own student, Aristotles. Aristotles refined and conceptualised the socratic method and wrote numerous treatises on the art of reasoning.

[lost_alice]

okay yes you are superior just know that i dont give a fuck

[the_rake]

I don't think I'm superior. I've been reading this stuff for a long time. I wouldn't have been able to argue any better than you a few years ago. And you're also speaking in English which is not your native language according to your profile.

[lost_alice]

I speak 4 languages, I don't have any problem with languages

[the_rake]

"Women works, have kids, take care of the house, go to war- so we can do a lot of things men can (thanks to feminism). But do men want to do things girls do? take care of the house, take care of the kids, even wear makeup if they want to?- if we want equal rights there is no girls things and guys things."

So you aren't going to admit that there weren't any language barriers when you wrote this article?

[Maverickj]

@lost_alice "all of them"? Really? I don't think you took any actual logic classes at all.

[sp33d]

Firstly - no primary/secondary education curriculum holds 'logic' as an actual subject, because it is deemed too advanced for average student. Logic is a separate branch taught in universities where emphasis is put on discrete subjects, it's a base for philosophy/mathematics/computer science. Debating classes do not touch on the fundamentals, they serve to give the student an intuitive understanding/command of argumentation.

Secondly, by giving fallacious arguments, it's evident you haven't taken any 'logic' classes, let alone finsh them with flying colours.

Lying is another fallacy, but I digress.

So.. honey.. your rebellious behaviour is expected, but it won't help you.

[lost_alice]

@sp33d where I live schools are different, I had classes of logic for 2 years with my philosophy teacher.

[Anonymous]

1) While I'm sure there are some who are like that, that's not why most men are anti-feminist. One could argue that the reason women like yourself are against egalitarianism is because it's not all about them. Why would men care about a movement where women only think of themselves and don't care about their rights? That's the point, egalitarianism doesn't exclude anybody the way feminism does.

2) Why wouldn't they be able to be discussed?

3) Plenty more guys nowadays look after the kids, do the housework etc. I work and I do all that.

[Maxemeister]

Feminism caters to women because way back when we actually needed it. I have no idea what it's like in Brazil but it's gotten to the point where it's better educationally, legally and in more ways than that to be a woman. Colleges are sometimes just expected to let u in to fill a quota. Women barely go to jail for the same crime men commit, and when it does happen the punishments are less harsh.

Why cater to men's needs, too? Because it's gotten so bad that men need their justice, too. That's how bad it is, that in public this talk is taboo and cannot be discussed. Take your feminism to Afghanistan, to Pakistan, to places such as that.

[lost_alice]

no thanks

[Maxemeister]

Then kindly advertise your "equal rights" to a mostly non-American audience, because we've widely expressed, even the women, that we don't need it. The women are selfless enough to say that we don't need feminism anymore, even selfless enough to admit that men have more problems.

And I've taken a look at your equality aspect of feminism. Men do each and every one of those things, that's not a rights issue, that's a problem that those women created if they ended up in that position.

[lost_alice]

I didn't do this about feminism because I don't want to fucking hear about it

[Maxemeister]

uh huh. So then what are you?

[lost_alice]

none of your business

[Maxemeister]

Well, whatever it is, please take it back to Brazil and keep it there. Men are the the sufferers here, now

[Maxemeister]

Already there, sweetie

[lost_alice]

stay there

[Maxemeister]

I will, nicer than most parts of the world

[lost_alice]

like you know the whole world