Stop Abusing The Word Feminism

[Anonymous]

Feminism is a favorite word of plenty of GaG users. Many I take it, are trolling, but others seem to think that every debate, every reply anyone makes, or every subject has to do with the word Feminism, especially if it is a woman doing the asking or the talking.

I'm all for making a salient argument about something in reference to feminism, but I'd say 90% of the time someone lobs the word Feminism into the air, they do so without any understanding of the meaning of the word or how to apply it to an argument or they definitely don't need to apply it to an argument because they have none on the basis of something being feminism, because it's not. It's the equivalent to the kid using a Thesaurus to try to make him or her sound smarter, but really s/he is just saying words to say them. Understanding the words correct usage and simply saying it to say it, are two very different things.

What do the dictionaries of the world have to say about what Feminism is exactly?

Feminism is a sociopolitical movement with the central goal of ending sexism and dismantling gender-based oppression. It is a definition which implies that all sexist thinking and action is the problem, whether those who perpetuate it are FEMALE OR MALE, child or adult. It is also broad enough to include an understanding of systemic institutionalized sexism. Sexism is prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

A vast majority of men and women actually believe and put into practice a lot of feminist teaching. If you ask a father if he thinks his daughter, who does the same exact job he does deserves equal pay, and he agrees with that statement, that's feminism at work whether he says the word or not in the same way a woman believing that men should not have to be the sole bread winners for their households simply because they're men, is feminism.

Feminism has nothing to do with whether someone is gay or straight, only men or only women, or who they are or aren't sleeping with, or some concerted effort to be sexist, or the mere fact that the person speaking is a woman. To argue the point of feminism whether for or against, you have to understand the definition in order to grasp intelligently when someone claiming to be a feminist is actually anything but or if the conversation being had is just a conversation and not stressing a point of equality for the sexes or the take down of sexist attitudes and practices, or yes, whether something being said is feminist and why you particularly don't like that.

Simply put, if someone brings up that word, and it comes up quite often, and they can't define it, can't point out where exactly you said something feminist, or you can point out that what they are saying is actually feminist, its either time to try to educate them, assume they are trolling, or simply ignore most of what comes out next. Feel free to argue your point that something is feminist and you dislike equality but be prepared to back it up first and foremost, with your actual understanding of the word Feminism rather than doing what a lot of people do which is simply parrot the word on repeat for every argument and conversation they have with anyone on GaG, particularly if that anyone is a woman.

[Hopefuldreamer8]

It's because with a lot of feminists, it has lost all meaning. It used to be a good thing back in the day, but there are certain women who have taken it too far. I don't blame a lot of men for hating feminists. A lot of girls want equality, but they also expect be waited on hand and foot by men. If men don't do that, girls throw temper tantrums and act like all men are assholes. It's irritating how some girls think they are special because they are women, and then a lot of men assume all women are like this when they aren't. Those girls make women and feminism look bad.

[Thisperson98]

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[BlueCoyote]

Great MyTake. Unfortunately, most of the people on the internet yelling and screaming about feminism have never even cared to open a book written by an actual feminist. Oh god, they'd have to do some real work and read! Oh no, that's a horrible prospect. So they'd rather just babble and repeat some bullshit they've heard on other, non-academic internet sites or youtube videos.

[Rawrzz]

The irony might be delicious. "Don't misuse the word feminsim. Understand what it is."

Doesn't understand what feminism is. Procedes to misuse the word feminism by using a simplistic definition.

"No. Feminism means equality. That's all." What a horrendously superficial understanding you have. Are you truly sure you understand what feminism is? And if it really is just about equality, and to help both males and females, why call yourself a FEMInist instead of an equalist or egalitarian?

Here are a couple basic tenets of feminism. No matter what form it takes, these remain a constant. Curiously, these beliefs are missing from your bland definition of, "but it are mean equality."

Men arranged society in a way that benefitted men, at the expense of women.

Women have been oppressed by men since the dawn of humankind.

First, if women have been oppressed for millennia, is there any greater evidence for innate female inferiority? Women have had thousands of years to break free from their thousand-year oppressors, but unlike *every single other group of oppressed peoples* women alone have consistently remained incapable of freeing themselves? In a history dotted with the charred ruins of overturned oppressive regimes and spattered with the blood of dictators, it is *women alone* who were perpetually too stupid, weak, and sheepishly unable to free themselves? (Paraphrase Karen Straughan)

Luckily, *I don't believe women are inferior*, because I'm not a feminist. So why would women willfully remain oppressed, if we agree that it was not due to lack of ability in contrast to male superiority? Why wouldn't they ever revolt in thousands of years? The answer is simple. Because they were content with the state of things. Perhaps something about not having to die, as men did.

I believe that since the dawn of humanity, there has been one constant truth: men die to protect and provide for women.

Anyway. Know that you know nothing. Only then will you be capable of learning. Look up the Factual Feminist on youtube. If you truly seek equality, then you will find it. But that means always challenging your belief structure. Good luck.

[feminismisnarcissism]

goddamn right, this is really just a whiny post asking for a safe space... typical feminist entitlement "QUIT CHALLENGING MY IDEAS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REBUT YOU! QUIT USING FACTS, JUST READ THE DEFINITION AND ALL YOU MEN SHUT UP, LET ONLY WOMEN TALK CUZ... EQUALITY!"

[davisgirl89]

@feminismisnarcissism. Tell me how long have women been able to own land? How long have women been able to vote in the United States? When where women allowed to get formal educations, meaning going to universities? I mean if women are on the same equal standing as mean why are female razor more expensive than male razors? Why did woman have to fight, and make a case in order to join the army and defend our country?
Now does that mean some women don't take it to the extreme, yes. I mean there are men and women that take it to both extreme. Hell I was even thinking about joining the I hate men group after learning about The Red Pill group and the MWTOG group. But I did end up taking to one man from the group and I could understand his point and plus the men in my life have been nothing but a blessing to me so I have no need to hate men. But like those groups females have a group of extremes as well. It's just that that group is just more well known.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@davisgirl89 by that logic, we can whine about any historical period that suits us. Just like with the individual-it doesn't matter what you did, or where you were-all that matters is NOW, what you are doing, NOW.

and right now-women have superior, special status and can sit the fuck down pretending they're still the victims.

[davisgirl89]

@feminismisnarcissism. Well I believe December 3, 2015 women were family allowed to join all parts of the military. Is that recent enough for you? Or the continual fight for equal pay? Because if you and another guy was doing the same job and you were slightly better at the job but found he was paid more than you wouldn't you be offended?

[davisgirl89]

@feminismisnarcissism. Does it really make us victims for wanting to serve our country like any man? Or to be paid fairly for the work and service we do? Just because I want to be seen and heard for my ideas and hard work doesn't make me a victim. It makes me human.

[Rawrzz]

@davisgirl89 You don't even understand the law of supply and demand? Women... buy more razors. More demand = higher price. /gender neutral Your other points have no bearing on the concept of feminism, either. There's a difference between *Issue* and *Avenue to solution*.

What happened with these issues? When the majority of women say "we want this" men go ahead and go "Okay, well, if the majority of you want them."

I'll address one thing though, but it would take far too long to go through everything you've addressed

Two reasons.

1. 6% of military women profess a desire to see combat, at this point in time. 6%. Why? Because women are self-preservationists, as a whole. This is also the reason 95% of workplace deaths are male.

The reason women weren't allowed in combat roles to this point was because they can't carry the same equipment, body armor, or weapons. They are unsuited to combat and will be a liability to themselves--and the mission--on the field.

[Rawrzz]

@davisgirl89 That's ignoring the issue of pregnancy on the field, and men--leading to my second reason why women weren't allowed in combat roles--would most certainly prioritize female life

2. Women's lives are valued far more than male lifes. Far more. Can you imagine how society will react when women start coming home in bodybags? How much more quickly support for a war will lose traction?

As I said. From the dawn of humanity, it has been the man's job to *protect* and *provide* for women, not because they were incapable of doing so themselves, but because they are--and have always been--the most important gender. Throughout history, it has always been about female comfort and survival, as a whole. Something women have also preferred

This is also why feminism didn't spring up until the end of the industrial revolution--when everything became 1,000,000 times safer

It's not about extremes. Feminism is insulting to men and women.

https://youtu.be/PqEeCCuFFO8?t=4m59s

[Rawrzz]

@davisgirl89 3 reasons, excuse me.

1: Women are physically not up to par when it comes to fieldwork.
2: The vast majority of women avoid dangerous positions, anyway.
3: Female lives are valued much more than male lives.

[davisgirl89]

So I have a question: why can't women carry the same equipment, body armor, or weapons as men? Why are they unsuited for combat? Do we not have arms? Are our frames to weak? Or are we just to stupid to learn the proper procedures and protocols requires to work with these items?
As for the razors, 30% of women are currently using men razors... So by your logic men razors should be more expensive right?
As for the value of women lives, that is a very romantic Idea. But honestly, if that was the case women would not be murder, raped, and more women would be respected and the phrase pump and dump would never have came about. Women would not be sold into slavery as sex objects And women would not have to fear for their 3 year old daughter being raped and left in the woods.
And you did not explain how wanting equal rights is insulting. I mean if that's the case are you willing to give up your rights? Would you like to be a piece of property?

[Rawrzz]

@davisgirl89 Per pound of body weight, males are 200% as strong as females. Lower body, males are 165% as strong as females. Bone density is also twice as dense in males, meaning they get injured less and have higher endurance. This is biology. You cannot equalize biology. Do you really want to make the assertion that women can keep up with men physically? Because I have scientific articles.

It is a *danger* to *women* to be in combat and not be capable of marching in enemy territory. Wearing less body armor means they will be at a tremendous disadvantage, and will die at a much higher rate than males.

We're talking about society. Not individual cases. If you want to factor in *every single* human behavior, this is going to take awhile. We *have* to speak generally for practicality's sake. But okay-----

Do you want the anti-feminist logic? Then watch the video I posted. I don't have time--or space--to respond to each of the 50 individual scenarios you want explanations on.

[Rawrzz]

@davisgirl89 Here's the deal, chicka. If you want answers, then watch the videos I'm posting. If you just want to argue, I don't have time or space for it.

"More women would be respected." Why don't you try googling "man dies protecting wife." Then try googling, "Woman dies protecting husband." I can already tell you what you'll find a hell of a lot more of. Yes, men harm and disrespect women. But that is the *exception*, not the *rule*. And you know that very well. Or do most men walk around murdering and raping women? There are 125,000,000 males in the U. S. whose only goal is to disrespect and kill and rape women? you *must* know that is a ridiculous statement.

Do you truly believe that men, as a whole, do not protect women? Do you believe male sacrifice is nonexistent?

As for your earlier assertion on the "wage gap".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w

[davisgirl89]

And from the dawn of humanity I believe women were protectors as well. Forget the women of the Amazon! Let's look at the Celtic women who were able to train and become warriors along with the men and boys. Still with those two examples it is safe to say that much of the world's culture is inspired by the Roman culture of yestyear (Roman law dictated that a woman was the property of her husband.). Well at least up until women had enough of the BS. Women were no more than property. Husband could take a mistress and most would not condemn him. But a woman that took a lover was shunned from her community. Which leads back to the points I made ealier which you said are not valid issues. Women were not owning proprety, they were property. They were little better than breeding mules that had to sit and look pretty. Running a household was their only career choice, well for women of status, others did have to work for a living. And those working conditions were not ideal.

[davisgirl89]

And I not sure if the woman realize this but women have paid their dues. Sometimes with their own lives. Lets not forget the triangle fire of 1911. And even on that note women have fought in wars since the revolution of the United States but it wasn't official until ww2. So after 2:14 seconds I did call bs. And no I am not trying to argue I am just pointing out that wanting equal rights is not a bad thing. Its not entitlement if you are willing to work for it. So saying the feminist movement was a entitlement thing is saying that all those women who were willing to put there life on the line for our country are just whining for attention.

[Rawrzz]

@davisgirl89 Dude. I don't even know where your brain is. The fact that female *inequality* exists is ENTIRELY separate from the FEMINIST MOVEMENT. Do you think that anyone who isn't feminist just completely doesn't believe women have ever had issues?

Really, if you don't even understand what we're arguing about, there's no point.

But okay. Let's take what you're saying to be the case. Essentially, you're saying "marriage was slavery." Yes? Then you subscribe to female inferiority? Males are superior, in your eyes. Otherwise, why would it have taken women thousands of years to break free from this terrible oppression, unlike any other oppressed group?

I really think you believe I am a wall to be talked at. You aren't having a conversation. You're simply spouting off a bunch of entirely irrelevant details about woman's suffering through history.

It *is* entitlement if you *think* that you are *unequal* when you're *not*. That is the issue.

[ksoma]

If we call out bullshit that we also call feminism, it might be fair to say "how does feminism support this?"
But feminism is much more than the textbook definition.
So, if we can point out published works, feminist websites, "scholars" in gender theory, etc, then it is a legit claim to call it feminist nonsense.

If a person, man or woman says something, and they are a feminist, they might tie their nonsense into their feminism, but to call it a feminist position is not fair, because one person's weird thoughts do not define the movement.

But when someone who is a known and respected member of the movement says crazy shit, it is fair for us to say "this is what modern feminism is propagating," unless other feminists take a stand against what was said, and distance the person's comments, from actual institutional feminism.

So, when people who are big name feminists, like Andrea Dworkin, write books to claim that all forms of heterosexual sex is rape, I say "This is the insanity of modern feminism."

I don't give a fuck if Dworkin isn't YOUR kind of feminist. I don't care if what she says has nothing to do with the dictionary definition of feminism. All I care about is she is propagating an idea based on her feminism, she is (passed now I believe, so was) a world wide known feminist voice, her work and philosophy were celebrated by the feminist movement, and claims like "every time any man has sex with any women, no matter what consent she THINKS she is giving, it is always rape" are NOT openly and coldly condemned and refuted as being "not feminist" by other feminist "thinkers." That means it is an idea that was born out of feminist world views, put to work by a feminist "thinker," spread and discussed by feminist academics, and published in books feminists read in their pursuit of "knowledge" for the cause they fight for.

So, when I point to feminist people in feminist groups going to feminist conventions to discuss feminist issues and read feminist books, like Dworkins? And I say that "Modern feminism claims that all hetereosexual sex is always rape," it is fair to say that the word feminist is being abused.

But is it being abused by me, for pointing out how it fits in with all the other pieces? Or is it being abused by feminists who refuse to call out and condemn the darker aspect of feminist ideology, and who are the ones violating your precious textbook definition?

[myTake Owner]

Ha, you have to start somewhere with defining the thing, and there it is (please write your local dictionary company if you dislike the meaning they put forth). I don't care if you hate feminism or love it with all your heart... you are exhibiting the point of this all. Rally against it if you want, but back it up with an argument that shows you actually understand why you hate feminism or why something is anti-feminist or why you like feminism. Calling everything and everyone feminist because that's the only word you know or you're trying to get a reaction has no merit behind it. The same could be said if you said, this is racist, but couldn't tell how it was or what racism actually meant. You can't make a point if you don't actually have one which is what a lot of the responses of this or that is feminism are.

[myTake Owner]

to be clear, in case there was confusion... you're making an actual point here.

[Shorty1991]

I'm all for equal rights, but I kind of agree with you that some guys on here are using the word "feminists" out of context. If you disagree with them on a certain subject they call you a feminanzi, or retarded. I get fed up of people using words out of context. Its normally misanthropists and male activists that do this. Really guys, there is such a thing called equal rights. It doesn't make much sense to fight for rights that you already have. Both women and men should be able to speak for themselves and quit making generalizations that all women and men are the same because they are not. Some guys on here actually seem really cool, understanding and easy to talk to. But she the tables are turned the men can be just as bad with bring sexist towards women.

[Jeeevan]

If you disagree with a feminist they call you sexist. Feminism IS sexism.

[Shorty1991]

@Jeeevan and if you disagree with certain men on here that automatically make us sexist. A bit like everything else, it works both ways. If you want feminism to stop. Then stop being sexist towards women. This is exactly what I've just mentioned. Don't be hypocritical.

[Jeeevan]

We aren't sexist towards women for fuck sake. Am i sexist towards women for being a man? it seems that way.

[Shorty1991]

@Jeeevan don't be so ridiculous, that's not what I meant. I meant the way you lot act the minute a woman disagree's with you.

[Shorty1991]

Feminism - the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. So no, actually its not sexist. They fought for EQUAL RIGHTS, they didn't take any rights away from men. Is there only few guys that get that. . . can't say I'm surprised.

[Jeeevan]

They have taken away some rights from men such are parental rights. Also feminists aren't concerned about men's rights at all, all they want to do is "help" women.

[Jeeevan]

Little to none men call a women sexist for disagreeing with us, i dont know where you've got that from.

[Shorty1991]

@Jeeevan I get that from some men that I have shared opinions with on here. They start arguing with me and calling me all the names under the sun, just because I have a different perspective from then and I speak from my own experiences without making generalizations. They say I'm wrong and all women are the same. Which we are all not the same and that's a fact.

[Jeeevan]

Okay, if what you said is true then even so how does that make them sexist? or make it a reason for feminism to be needed still?

[Jeeevan]

You know what, i want to hear why you think feminism is needed.

[Shorty1991]

Women will always have their say and men will always have their say. There is really no point in arguing. If it hadn't have been for the sufferagettes, women wouldn't have any rights at all. What men say would always go and that would be unfair to us. Equal rights makes it fair for both genders. I don't believe in all this superiority crap that your coming away with.

[Jeeevan]

If you wanted equal rights for both men and women you wouldn't be a feminist.

[Shorty1991]

@Jeeevan and if you wanted equal rights for men and women then you wouldn't be against fe. inism in the first place, since that's what gave us equal rights in the first place. Men were the ones who called the all the shots back then. Time has moved on, and now women are entitled to their say as well as men are.

[Jeeevan]

You make no sense. Why would i support feminism when it isn't about equality? It's driven by feminazis who hate men. They do nothing for men, they ignore male issues. Why would i want to support a sexist movement?

Egalitarians on the other hand help both men and women unlike feminism.

[Shorty1991]

@Jeeevan no its not if you google it, you'll see that it's to do with equal rights. Feminism is not hatred of men. Misogyny is hatred of women and there are plenty of blue anons on her that are like that.

[Jeeevan]

Yes your right that's the definition but feminists don't live up to that definition, im trying to help you and explain why feminists are bad but your not listening to me.

[Jeeevan]

What does misogyny have to do with anything, stop changing the subject.

[Shorty1991]

@Jeeevan they are the opposite of feminists, Im trying to tell you that I'm not really taking sides. The biggest problem in here, is that people can't hack disagreement and because of that they start sniping at each other calling them for everything, using words out of context and feminism is one of them. Even when the subject or topic has nothing to do with it. You get told that you are taking sides and being sexist, just because you share your opinion. Which is what gag is all about. If I agree with a guy on a certain subject, there's no reaction. But if I agree with another woman, guys are down my throat about it saying that they are right and I'm always wrong.

[Jeeevan]

That hardly ever happens.

[Shorty1991]

@Jeeevan it doesn't happen to you. I can assure you it happens to me.

[Jeeevan]

So your going to spread hate against men because of come incidents you've had on GAG?

[Shorty1991]

@Jeeevan now I don't recall anything about saying that I hate them. I just don't like their attitude.

[Jeeevan]

We are talking about GAG here though.

[Shorty1991]

@Jeeevan yes we are, and I never said anything about hating those guys that diss me on here. Noe I'm closing this conversation because I'm getting fed up of trying to put my point across to you.

[myTake Owner]

I think you are one of the few people who actually understood what I was getting at. I cannot count how many times a guy has thrown the word feminism or feminazi at me simply because I didn't agree with him or decided to come back with an intelligent rebuttal to whatever was being said. It's the same thing over and over again where I'm to the point of clearly writing a take about it to express how ridiculous it all is. Was the goal to muzzle me and other women for having thoughts in our heads, because that doesn't work. I didn't write this to be like go feminism it's great, or boo feminism, it's bad---simply to address the set who overly abuse this word ad naseum for everything, everyone, and for every subject.

[Shorty1991]

Well I speak from my experiences on here. Like I said, I try not to be more in favour of either gender. Instead I try to empathize with them but at the same time, would like them to see it from my perspective. I don't expect everyone to agree with me all the time either. I once had a blue anon say "what happened to the good old days when your species didn't have any right to share their opinions?" Which was totally uncalled for. People always use words so out of context, you disagree with them and it makes you a feminist, a stupid bitch, a retard or gay. That's normally when they don't really comprehend what you are saying and they run out of comebacks so they start with the insults. There's really no point in arguing though, if they already have all the answers then what's the point in them even asking for opinions?

[Shorty1991]

Lol just noticed the typos she = when and bring = being.

[Jeeevan]

So i assume you both understand why men and some women dislike feminism then?

[feminismisnarcissism]

actually it's 100% feminists that use the word falsely.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Jeeevan you fucking brilliant for a 16 year old... you'll do well in the world young padowan! I wish I was 1/2 this smart at your age-no shit. bravo

[feminismisnarcissism]

typical feminist rebuttal "SO did you!" lol hubris of the narcissist and a fallacy "the tu quoque fallacy" fallacy is not a rebuttal, it's a concession of your argument. feminism is fucking 100% sexism today. it's all about advantages, not equality. cheating, not fairness. lies, not reality. WOMEN, and nobody else-not even children, not even little girls.

feminism today is one big disgusting, entitled ME ME ME party and nothing fancier. and you better start figuring out another skill in life cuz "vagina" is no longer a reason to be entitled... the party's over buttercup

[feminismisnarcissism]

and if it "worked both ways" you'd only have upvotes, duh

that's the point: feminism works ONE WAY, the title alone says that-and now it's gone way way way too far and the lies of feminism are no longer accepted by any thinking, non-selfish woman, much less men... the simps are getting to be a smaller group too and simps never did much for a woman beyond kill their boredom between men anyway. NO MORE MEN FOR YOU. get used to simps :)

[feminismisnarcissism]

then why do men pay 90% child support instead of 50%?
why are there 500+ shelters for women, 12 for men, nationwide when women perpetuate 2/3 of domestic violence?
why do women have a 7 to 1 custody advantage.

just 3 examples of how feminism is sexism, not equality and ENCOURAGES wider gaps if its on the side of women... like 10% is TOO much, women should just get assets, no liabilities-that's feminism, the antithesis of equality. the bullshit definition no longer works on us-we see the truth now.

[feminismisnarcissism]

all circular reasoning and every argument you make ignores reality and you just parrot the definition... that alone proves it: THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION IS THE ONLY THING SUPPORTING THE IDEA THAT FEMINISM IS EQUALITY. everything in reality, everything feminists actually DO, or lobby for, or talk about-is about female SUPERIORITY.

Talk is cheap, that's why you got nothing-talk is all you have if you're feminist.

[Shorty1991]

@feminismisnarcissism and again the two of you are completely missing the point. The girl that made this my take talks about us being labelled feminists just for sharing opinions. Its nothing about wanting you to support feminists. Read the fucking post properly and what does a 16 year old know? he's still at high school. Both have you have blown it out of proportion.

[Jeeevan]

Lol who cares if im 16? I'm intelligent and i know about this stuff.

[ISaidFuryNotFurry]

Definitions change though, and what it says in a book or on a site doesn't have to reflect reality. It matters only what the practical use of feminism is. It once meant to elevate women. But what does it mean today, that is the question.

I don't think feminism is about men, at all. One can say it does, but I don't know how. I need examples, real life examples that work. It has been illegal to pay women less since the 60s, yet people still claim there is a pay gap. Meaning that people don't really know the real world. They believe what they read online reflects the actual world, which it doesn't. If so many people can be so ignorant about something that can be understood within a few minutes, then how wise are they for being a feminist?

Feminism wouldn't exist in the west if it wasn't for ignorance and myths. We can surely go beyond that. I say that feminism isn't needed in the west any more. And to all feminists, don't you wish there wasn't a need for feminism? Isn't that your end goal?

You can disagree with me, that is fine. But I rather you have a logical reason to do so.

[Tanuron]

Jeez, Im sorry though but feminism dont own equality nor is it fair to put people in that category either if they agree with something that supposedly is a feminism ideal. Like hitler seemed to believed in God and was christian , if you believe in God or are christian you are like hitler. "If you agree to equal pay, you are a feminist". Again it dosent own the definition.

What I also dont understand if the supposed "real" feminist are against sexism, why aren't they fighting the biggest sexist group their is? (feminism). Hell even the definition itself above is slightly sexist "Sexism is prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex."

Typically against women? lets not forget the immense irony of "stereotype" which it includes, yet it pulls up "stereotype" right before it does a stereotype. along with implying sexism is more common towards women.

But I do regardless agree that too many bring up the word feminism where it dosent belong or where it has nothing to do with it. But can hardly blame people either, if you look at all the shitty things so many feminists say and do they kinda just get a little piece of their own medicine. Dosent help the argument, and a bit stupid, but certainly not any weird.

[feminismisnarcissism]

nope. the nazis claimed to be a freedom movement-which makes the whole mytake moot.

a movement is defined by the behavior-not by a fallacious definition.

feminism today is a gender SUPERIORITY movement. And those defending it are entitled, spoiled, and ENJOYING that superiority. It can never again claim to be about equality until it addresses the gender disparities IT caused-and all the largest gender disparities in the west today are against men. If feminism WAS about equality-it would be talking about those largest disparities-but since they BENEFIT women, feminism as a whole stays silent on them and continues to encourage such inequalities.

this whole mytake is wishful thinking. feminism is superiority today. And why wouldn't it be? You can't have an equality movement that only mentions ONE GROUP in its title. Feminism was doomed to be a female superiority movement from day 1.

people are waking up to this reality and rejecting it for what it is: a NARCISSISM MOVEMENT now. get over it.

[feminismisnarcissism]

so ironic the word "abuse" is in the title here-that's just it. Feminism is a DISEMPOWERING movement to women today: it teaches women are always the victim, that women are abused,... all while feminism abuses men and children. Feminism IS abuse of society. and in teaching women that they are always the victim-it disempowers them. nothing is more disempowering than the label "victim".

#feminismisformorons

[feminismisnarcissism]

70% of domestic violence is perpetuated BY WOMEN
30% by men

yet we have 500+ shelters for women
and 12 for men.

perfect example of feminist "equality".

[Red_Arrow]

• 1 in 3 women and 1 in 4 men have been physically abused by an intimate partner.
• 1 in 5 women and 1 in 7 men have been severely physically abused by an intimate partner.
• 1 in 7 women and 1 in 18 men have been stalked. Stalking causes the target to fear she/he or someone close to her/him will be harmed or killed.
These are from the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence.
When you know the facts, maybe you will stop spreading lies.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow https://newscastmedia.com/domestic-violence.htm

[feminismisnarcissism]

nope, 2/3 of it is by women. and why wouldn't it be? women can get away with domestic violence and usually do-so of course most of it is by them. 70% by women.

https://newscastmedia.com/domestic-violence.htm

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow who should we listen to? an actual study by Harvard or a biased, feminist group lol gee, i wonder. 70% BY WOMEN

https://newscastmedia.com/domestic-violence.htm

[Red_Arrow]

I looked at your link. First, it was just one study in one locale. But more telling is that the author stated that he expected the article to get pulled, and it was. He seemed to know that upon peer review it would not stand up, but he was still arguing it. So then the question is do I believe the article I mentioned, which is still standing, or one which got pulled.

Also, Time Magazine did an article and quoted several studies, in which men account for 12 to 40 percent of those injured in heterosexual couple violence. Men make up about 30% of intimate homicide victims. 40% of those reporting serious partner violence in the past year are men. So of the two sexes, the women are committing less of the violence against the other. However, women were found to be more likely to commit violence against children. https://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence So I guess I will listen to the groups other than the one you quote that pulled the article.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow it WAS peer reviewed

and just as rape is underreported, so is violence against men-if anything 70% is low. obviously.

[Red_Arrow]

And it WAS removed. And the reporting for rape on women was also under reported.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow removed means feminist groups put pressure on-it does not mean it was UNpeer reviewed. the study is not only legitimate, but also backed by other studies.
The fact that it was removed simply shows the power of feminist groups and the dishonesty therein. From the author himself:

by Joseph Earnest November 15, 2013

Newscast Media HOUSTON—Three years ago I wrote an article based on a scientific study done by Harvard Medical School that revealed domestic violence was not as one-sided as the media often depicts it. The article to this very day is the second most popular article I've written and is widely cited online and offline.

I have since discovered that the original article that was published on the Harvard Medical School Web site has been scrubbed, and my guess is that certain activist groups perhaps pressured the professors to remove it. Most of these institutions depend on endowments and grants to function...
whatmenthinkofwomen.blogspot.co.uk/.../...-of.html

[feminismisnarcissism]

The Harvard study has been peer reviewed and published in the American Public Health Journal as shown here :

ajph.aphapublications.org/.../AJPH.2005.079020

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow bullying a university into removing a valid, peer-reviewed study only shows how dishonest feminist lobbies are... but here are the results-and the results are all that matters once it's deemed valid, and it was and is.
https://newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow this study was UNBIASED, unlike feminist presentations that are as valid as Christian science. "The information presented to you comes from investigative research of data produced by reputable organizations like Harvard Medical School, The Center for Disease Control (CDC) and the American Psychiatric Association, just to mention a few."

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow @Red_Arrow harvard CENSORED the study-which goes AGAINST science, against factual presentation and makes it clear it was rather SILENCED... that's what CENSORED means. it means dishonesty, it means HID it. It doesn't mean it retracts the study-the study is valid and you'd have to find something that refuted the study itself to make a point here. It was published in scientific journals-that's what matters. it's valid. and again, it makes sense-just like cops murder because they can GET AWAY WITH IT, same with women in domestic violence-they can get away with it, so of course they do it more than men-that's logical. you pretending their censoring somehow retracts the study as valid is idiotic. The people who did the study did NOT retract it, the University did-to quit pissing off feminist groups that donate money to get their AGENDAS and NARRATIVES pushed... that's not scientific, that's indoctrination and dishonesty; that's feminism.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow censoring a valid study actually HURTS your argument, not helps it lol

[Red_Arrow]

You CLAIM that the study was pulled due to pressure by feminists based on... the author stated "my guess is that certain activist groups perhaps pressured the professors to remove it." So the author, with his own interest in making it seem to be an honest article, THINKS "certain activist groups" "perhaps" pressured the professors to remove it.

And that prove is to you. So much for logic.

"bullying a university into removing a valid, peer-reviewed study only shows how dishonest feminist lobbies are" As I said, that was not shown, the author was guessing (his word). And now you are using his fantasy guessing to further push your ridiculous views on feminist groups, and giving them far more power that they actually have.

The biggest problem is that you actually believe the stuff you say. Almost unbelievable. Almost!

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow it doesn't matter WHY it was pulled from their web site-that doesn't invalidate it. And that alone (without a why) invalidates your argument. try again.

but yes-that is the most likely WHY-with censorship it's always the group that is HARMED BY the study that would censor it, again--basic logic. got any?

[feminismisnarcissism]

and pulled or not it was STILL a study done BY harvard researchers... the administration no longer showing it on their website only shows censorship, dishonesty. if a correction was placed or a repeal in a scientific journal it was in... THEN your argument would be valid, you're confusing the two-argument of convenience. seek truth, not what backs your worldview. THis study IS valid, nothing has changed there. so your whole argument which rested on its invalidation has crumbled via your poor logic.

[Red_Arrow]

I do not mind intelligent discussions. But that is not what this is. You push aside all logic and ignore other studies that show this one to be wrong, plus the publication that published it backtracked and pulled it. But all you can see is censorship to benefit the "evil" feminists. And nothing can ever change your mind - it has lost the power to see the truth no matter how many ways it is shown to you.

So go ahead and spew your stupidity. I am done trying to open your eyes to truth. Bye.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Red_Arrow i listed studies... you offered simp arguments. im sure much of your shit was true in your day... but you're in an alien world now, grandpa where most women are spoiled brats and have all the advantages... and USE them against men. I gave evidence, you gave rhetoric... sorry, you conceded this long ago.

[Red_Arrow]

I showed an article full of studies. You are just to stupid to see them.

[feminismisnarcissism]

this post is also ironic since no movement abuses more terminology than feminism:
a few examples of feminist usurping, and abuse of terminology:
1/ abuse
2/ victim
3/ rape
4/ gaslighting
5/ triggering
6/ feminism

[vonasaurus]

the thing is, modern-day "feminism" has veered far from its original aim and sought to demonize masculinity. this is where your anita sarkeesians, your social justice warriors who are offended by everything, come from.

... i am not a feminist; i am an egalitarian~ we don't cherry-pick, or stomp all over people's rights.

egalitarian: (adj) asserting, resulting from, or characterized by belief in the equality of all people, especially in political, economic, or social life.

i'm sure people will stop abusing the word "feminism" once these idiot propagandists stop abusing it.

[TheFlak38]

Another feminist sugarcoating things.
There is no such thing as gender equality or equality at any case. Equality is a marxist construct and exists only in your utopian fantasy world.
The feminist movement has its roots deep into the Frankfurt School and is just one of the many tools the marxists use to bring an end to European civilisation and you can find this hate towards Western White men in any feminist manifesto. With feminism the marxists achieve the dissolution of the traditional nuclear family and low birth rates while at the same time they import millions of non white muslim men who do not care about feminism and women's rights, but for some reason you feminists love these oppressors and haven't made one demonstration against muslim rapists. Instead you complain about sexist air conditioning... www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...sexist.-True-story.html

And in Cologne, after the massive sexual attacks by muslims on women, German feminists handed flowers to their own rapists. Congratulations to your feminist movement. The tip of the spear for the destruction of Europe.

As for your "education", no thanks. I despise the so called education from Frankfurt School Marxists who poison our societies with degeneration.

[MixedGirlBL]

The Frankfurt School and Marxism are manifestations from "the west" [at least as traditionally understood].

[TheFlak38]

Just because they were founded in the west it doesn't mean they were created by western people. Marx and Lenin were both Jews and almost all of Soviet Russia's political leaders were Jews. The Russian government admits it since the fall of the USSR. Check out every communist party in Europe. Search in the most common sources. You will find a Jew who founded it. The leading members of the Frankfurt School were predominately Jews. I have posted an article regarding this subject... www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a28234-explaining-cultural-marxism-what-your-school-will-never-tell-you

[TheFlak38]

The November revolution in Germany was led by the Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg, both communist Jews.
So from the beginning it is crystal clear that this ideology was created in Europe by foreign invaders with the sole purpose to bring an end to our civilisation since this is the only way they can live hidden among us while continuing to exploit the people by taking key positions in Finance, politics, media and education.

[MixedGirlBL]

Like I said they are western, "as traditionally understood." You may have an alternative understanding and you are welcome to express it. The Judeo-Christian tradition is usually included as western. Notice, that includes Jews.

[TheFlak38]

Yes that is true. After so many centuries the Christian religion has become a part of European culture wether some people like it or not (and I don't).
Where I see a difference regarding the religion itself is that the majority of Europeans are merely Christians by culture. What do I mean by that? On the 25th of December, I and my friends and my neighbours will celebrate Christmas. No I won't go to the church because I am not religious. And no I won't go out to feed homeless people, freezing my ass off. I will spend money and sit home to enjoy the holiday.
I won't go into analysing the religion and explain why I don't like it and how fake it is because that's almost a completely different subject. The point is that the majority of Europeans are more or less Christians and that is why we see the Left fighting Christianity and on the other hand propagate islam while calling you and islamophobe if you dare to criticise it.

[AssJacket]

Wow, you're just one hyperbolic conspiracy theory after another, aren't you? It's astoundingly obvious you despise education.

[TheFlak38]

@AssJacket Where do you see the conspiracy? The facts speak for themselves. If you claim to be informed and educated you cannot fail to identify the disproportionate Jewish influence involved in 3rd world mass immigration, political correctness and feminism.
Barbara Spectre admitted that Jews will be resented because of their leading role in this deception... https://www. youtube. com/watch? v=85BKDj_1vVU
George Soros is funding movements like Antifa, BLM and recently he said that he will invest 500 million $ to help fakeugees settle in Europe and live by our taxes which get more with every year passing. In the meantime the system controlled media in Germany warn the public that evil right wingers can be noted by their blonde hair and cheery dispositions, accurate braids and long skirts.
With all this happening it is absurd in the extreme for anybody to suggest that we live under a 'white power structure.' Is it a white power structure actively engaged in t

[Anonymous]

Oh my goodness, another "you just don't understand feminism" piece. Arguably my replies to them are equally feeble, but here we go again.
Let me tell you who has no understanding of the word: Feminists.
Either feminists don't understand feminism, or feminism is messed up.

I've listened to a lot of feminists and their ideas. That gives me a clearer and more detailed image of them than a little paragraph does. Not to mention that even the dictionary definitions people like to hand out don't preclude the ridiculousness we see from feminism, so my money is on messed up and it makes more sense to avoid the label altogether. I get there are plenty of good people that will call themselves feminists because they just don't know any better and they need to wake up. Good but ignorant people who call themselves feminists make themselves vulnerable to regressive influence by hanging on to the label.

Why hang onto it? Don't you find it disturbing that when some people see a split occur between (formal) gender equality and feminism that they'd side with feminism instead of the principle of gender equality?

It really sounds creepy when you go telling people "you're doing feminism every day." You'd sound like a cultist, you'd just be trying to get people to say they are feminists. You'd just want people to 'join your team.' Do you understand the difference between "doing feminism" and what they are really doing?

So, crunch time, are you going to address the problems or dismiss any critical thinker as a troll so you don't have to consider outside opinions?

[JRICHARDS1996]

Would you like some No True to go with your Scotsman?

At this point, you need to understand that the meaning of the word has evolved precisely because feminism itself has evolved. While at one point it was about correcting the faults that women faced in society, today it has virtually become an outlet for everything wrong with the world. Comparing the two is like comparing Martin Luther King Jr to Black Lives Matter. The modern iteration has no similarity to its historical counterpart. Feminism today is just about evading personal responsibility, promoting abortion and sexual immorality, the destruction of traditional gender roles, a hatred for men, and for that matter the hatred of any woman who disagrees with them -- especially Pro-Life and religious women.

[feminismisnarcissism]

lol yep. totally one long ass no true scotsman fallacy. good catch

[john52461]

What's worse is the SJW/feminists who try to silence any opinion that doesn't agree with their own.

[Library]

I will never abuse the word feminism because I know it's intention is to support women and make women equal to men.

[myTake Owner]

An actual LOL!

[RationalMale]

Give it up.

I'm sure feminism did at one point basically mean "gender equality."

Faggot at one point meant a piece of wood you put on a fire.

Gay once meant happy.

It doesn't matter what these words originally meant. Because of how things change, how word usage is, these words don't mean what they used to. Feminism now means:

33.media.tumblr.com/.../...e_ms0e2hv4gD1qaf60w.jpg

[Puppylove94]

Lmao

[FemaleAssassin]

Well i'm not a feminist cuz i don't believe in equality, women should differentiate between " justice" and "equality", and i also believe in gender roles, like some women nowadays don't want to have kids, betch it's basically what u have been born to do.

[myTake Owner]

Just for reality sake, not all women should have kids. There are some horrible women (and men) out there, and they know it, and they don't want to spread that to a next generation or screw up some kids lives. A woman is capable of having kids, and a man capable of donating sperm to make that kid, but if that's a definition of being a woman, what about those who can't have kids? She not a woman? A man who can't produce, he not a man?

[FemaleAssassin]

I'm talking about the ones who are capable of it but won't have it by choice.

[Anonymous]

I was recently reading reviews for different flavoured teas to try, one of them was called "women's tea" and it was in a pink box. Whilst reading the reviews I didn't find one review about how it actually tasted, everyone just complained about it being in a pink box, and calling it sexist. These people called themselves "feminists" and now I hate every single person who calls them self a "feminist" or is all for feminism. In my country (UK) all males and females and sexuality and religions are treated equally. Unless you are from like Saudi Arabia or something then I just don't get feminism

[feminismisnarcissism]

did you know 100 years ago that pink was a strong, masculine color?

once I'm done with art-we men are taking our colors back!!! ;)

[Shorty1991]

That's new to me, women's tea? Lol
I suppose its alright for a yorkie bar or McCoys crisps to be labled as men's food?
I don't really give a shit I love McCoy's.

[Shorty1991]

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[Shorty1991]

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[AleDeEurope]

Stop being a feminist, and people will stop abusing the word. People are getting tired of all the bullshit feminists throw around. If you wanna stop sexism so bad, why are you sexist yourself?

[Puppylove94]

That doesn't really make sense? Lol

[AleDeEurope]

@Puppylove94 What didn't?

[Puppylove94]

If you stop being a feminist than you stop believing males and females should have equal rights. I do agree that it's been taken to an extreme but it's still okay to be a feminist. Feminazis are what gives feminism a bad name.

[AleDeEurope]

@Puppylove94 Sorry, but when you believe "manspreading", freeing the nipples, and body shaming is more important than male suicide, lack of male shelters, and inequality in the court rooms, you can't say feminists fight for equality.

What you said (and what many other feminists say) is just an example of the no true Scotsman fallacy.

[Anpu23]

@Puppylove94 no the feminazis do not give feminism a bad name, political groups such as NOW, and the department against violence against women and children, and the UN he for she initiative, etc etc. The groups that I call the ketchup people the ones who make policy, who effect laws, who create initiatives who effect people's lives. Extremists are just that, but the law makers are a whole different story.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Puppylove94 it makes perfect sense and your whole mytake is 100% feminist: Entitled, selfish, dishonest and misleading and as someone pointed out: a fallacy in its argument.

feminism IS what feminists do-and nothing they do today is about equality.

[Shorty1991]

She's talking about idiots abusing the word and using it out of context, your comment is proof that you have misunderstood the whole post, like that vast majority banging on about feminism on here.

[Shorty1991]

@feminismisnarcissism and you have such a high IQ that you have completely blown this out of proportion and misunderstood the take.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Shorty1991 lol like that argument makes sense. I can be an asshole at any IQ, yes?

[Shorty1991]

@feminismisnarcissism now your calling yourself down. No, my point is that your meant to have such a high IQ you've completely misunderstood this post. Some of us feminists do stand for equality you know. Actually now you mention it, yes you do speak fluent asshole. :)

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Shorty1991 you can't be feminist and stand for equality. they're mutually exclusive. that's as valid as saying "some KKK members think blacks are equal"

#logicfail

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Shorty1991 and it's you who is blind to what the post really says. ask yourself why every man on the page gets it less a couple simps-look at this post, 17 upvotes. i rest my case.

[Puppylove94]

@feminismisnarcissism lmao dude look up the definition of feminism

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Puppylove94 definitions don't matter. behavior does. your bad.

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Puppylove94 by your logic, the stated goals of the KKK must be true as well. For example " "to shield the sanctity of the home and the chastity of womanhood"

ya that's what the KKK is about right?

[feminismisnarcissism]

@Puppylove94 movements are always honest about their meaning and goals, right Puppygirl?

"Through the peace with Russia the sustenance of Germany as well as the provision of work were to have been secured by the acquisition of land and soil, by access to raw materials, and by friendly relations between the two lands."

— Adolf Hitler, 1921[102]

[yellowgirl00d]

Women are equal to men there is no need for feminism anymore we done. The only people who are still feminists are those who can't be anything else it's so pathetic.

[Jeeevan]

This x100

[Anpu23]

The issue is quite plainly that any definition of feminism that doesn't include patriarchy theory is nothing more than propaganda. If you do not believe that men are privileged and that they have used their privilege to repress women you are not a feminist. As the one is tied to the other it's imperative that you include it within your definition. I have a list of 4 talking points that I have placed on both my Facebook page and my mind page that are egalitarian yet contrary to feminist doctrin. As there is no way to reconcile the two the logical conclusion is propaganda.

[Anpu23]

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a27260-the-definition-of-feminism-my-proposed-revision here's a my take that I wrote.

[Anonymous]

It's kind of obvious that there's something wrong with today's feminism when even a good portion of women go out of their ways to attack it. It's not because these women are misogynistic; it's because the so-called feminists fail to see their own hypocrisy and demagoguery.

[Saoirse_Nua]

I have no particular problem with any movement that pushes for equal rights and entitlements. I try not to get lost in the weeds of a general argument but take things on a case by case basis and give my support to the side I feel is being treated unfairly. I see people take extreme views on all sides and I think none of it helps. If the various movements met in the centre and try to chose a constructive path forward, I would be happier. I have no problem with raising a minimum bar of rights and entitlements for everyone. So as long as any change doesn't impinge on anyone else or perpetuate an existing injustice, I would be fine with that if it does favour one particular group.

[Anonymous]

Hey, men are not the ones going around and pointing and crazy man hating bitches and saying "She's a feminist!"

These people self identify as feminists.

If you don't like how they are tarnishing the name feminism, direct your comments to them.

Oh, be careful though, they will rage their bile down on you like the wrath of a PMS'ing goddess for saying that they are not real feminists and doing more harm than good.

In addition, you can't really go back in time 40 years to when these nutcases started tarnishing the name feminism, and do something about it when it mattered. It's too late now.