Basically, like how plus size models are becoming more normalized and whatnot. Ashley Graham made headlines when she was featured in that Sports Illustrated magazine. Tess Holliday also made a name for herself in the plus and modeling community.
Then there are these models posting break downs about how much scars they have and how it's damaging to think they're perfect etc.
Do you like the "normal/average" models or do you prefer them to be the best of the best?
Personally, I feel like a lot of the "diverse" models are just being shoehorned in for "diversity sake". It's kinda like AA, where the minority/women quota just means they get mediocre people as opposed to the more qualified. I'm not saying that minorities can't be qualified, however. Just that many mediocre make the cut because of a quota.
But I feel that's what's happening with these models too. Sure, don't feel bad that you have scars or stretchmarks. But I don't see why it's so necessary to keep emphasizing it. It's starting to become cliche. Don't get me wrong, a lot of them are beautiful and talented. But not all yet they still make it because of their "diversity novelty".
And call me shallow, because I am, but I don't want to see someone like me modeling. Acne is not attractive lol I want to see someone attractive modeling so I can imagine it's best potential. Those sexy panties or dress or whatever, I want to see it on a hot chick so I can *feel* like a hot chick too when I buy it lol I am glad that they are cutting back on photoshop though. And I am glad they're including "diverse" beauties like Ashley Graham, yes I think she's extremely attractive. I just don't care much for when it's "forced".
Keep in mind that all this diversity and body positivity gave us this goddess lol:
Yes, include and represent everyone. Scars, wrinkles, acne, extra weight etc
No, only the elite should be models. Minimal flaws as possible.
It should be up to modeling agency/clothing or product company's discretion. Keep political pressure to a minimum please SJWs!
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Do you like this trend of "normal/average" models?
I dont like the trend of normal/plus-sized models... I LOVE it. The way I see it, everyone is beautiful and thats even on a external level. People are art. Im not always capable of seeing it, but when I dont thats because im not the intended audience. As for your comment about acne and stuff, I think that everyday people with acne and percieved "flaws" are absolutely breathtaking, its just a matter of being loving and open minded enough to look for it. I have pretty bad acne and on my good days I do believe im really attractive despite it, ance and all. Im just as good as that conventionally hot model. I also believe that out concept of what beauty is largely isn't our own. Instead it is something thats socially conditioned into out psyche. Its astounding that the majority of people dont consider that. This is why young people dont understand fashion from when their parents were teenagers--they didn't get the mere exposure effect that their parents got from being exposed to the socialization and ads of their time. Brands want the idealized form of beauty to be narrow so that they can keep selling products that promise wearers confidence and keep them crawling back for more. If they were to put up normal models they feel that people would no longer shop to fill a gap in their self esteem, thus deteriorating sales. When you realize this it follows that if your social conditioning were to change so would your concept of beauty, so you do gain a little control over that aforementioned concept. Why is it our mission to put down everyday people in favor of the elect? When did average come to mean bad? Why do we feed on such negativity? Why dont we think for ourselves? Id like to believe that if we start putting up ads of everyday people the world will become more aware of what is realistic and we will become less materialistic. People will more easily recognize artwork when it stares them in the face. We would also be a lot kinder. I dont particularly enjoy the glamourization of toxic lifestyles that lead to obesity however, thats an entirely different matter.
Sure its good to have more normal/average looking models and promoting self love. A little chub ain't too bad, certainly motivates people such as myself to work on my appearance. But there's a point where it becomes disgusting. Like Tess Holiday, you shouldn't be embracing obesity when it can be avoided. If you have a medical condition that of which prevents you from losing weight, then I'm not referring to you. I'm referring to those who say "You can eat whatever you please, gain all the weight you want, and think you're beautiful no matter what." No, you're not beautiful if you eat yourself to an unhealthy, (potentially fatal), point. You don't love yourself enough to take care of yourself. It's literal facts, obesity is unhealthy, same as being underweight/anorexic. You're not beautiful if you're morbidly obese, and anorexic, plain and simple. Therefore model industries should not be promoting obesity/anorexic lifestyles. Understanding America is the fattest country, doesn't mean we should condone that. Ridiculous.
the modeling industry is owned by gay men whether people like it or not. And what do gay men want well, boys who look like them - sticks so they hire women who resemble such curves or should I say no curves. Frankly, I am into fitness so women like Jacqueline Petzak is what I would strive to look like yet, most people call her fat due to her ass well, its called squats people. www.westernsentinel.com/.../...rl1tp41lfo1_500.jpg And in all honesty this country is in a huge obesity epidemic. Look at CDC. gov and its statistics of obesity trends over the years, damn some people are huge but then again its what people eat. Plus, I choose to be out on the sidelines and see how people are all affected by all of this because it is funny and sad how people act and are towards one another with body shaming and the rest of the crap that people like to do to one another.
I find it ridiculous that guys buy into these magazines thinning this is what the average chick looks like. Not just because it's unrealistic, but because literally half the people you come across are chicks and 99.9% don't look at that. Then I find it equally ludicrous that chicks but into it thinking that they have to look like that and somehow the magical hands of society dictates that they do or they aren't pretty and guys aren't capable of discerning the difference between the elite and the average person.
Then I find it just as ridiculous that to make it more "realistic" by including plus sized models who I am not attracted to. Don't get me wrong, it's just my opinion. I get that. But let's be honest, Ashley Graham is not what even most day girls look like. I live in America. I'd probably see hell freeze over before I come across even 10% of fat girls looking like she does. So instead of forcing the "fat acceptance" bull down my throat, id rather just see hot attractive girls. And I watched the show when they determined it. Some of the girls who got knocked off were straight gorgeous. Way better than her, Ronda and the 3rd chick who was also a model
If they actually wanted an acceptance thing, they would portray actual regular Jills rather than an overweight girl who looks better than 99% of the girls in her same demographic
I might be a bit culturally biased since the "average" here is closer to what is considered "elite" above than the blonde woman at the top, who might find it incredibly difficult to even buy clothes made for her size in Asia. Though I think the blonde one is actually quite pretty, but she'd be quite hefty by the standards I'm used to.
Slim figures tend to work well for fashion and illustration not because slim is a hard definition of beautiful, but because a lot of the idea of posture and pose is derived from skeletal structure rather than outer contours. It's hard to see an exaggerated pose on an obese woman.
The mistake I think we tend to make is that this favored aesthetic is somehow supposed to be some universal standard for beauty. When people think that, it can feed insecurities when they cannot possibly match it, when there might be plenty of people of the opposite sex who could find them very attractive. To me the problem is that we're too easily influenced by the media and not how the real world actually works.
It might be nice to diversify the types of bodies used fashion to relate to average consumers, but I think our main problem is that we keep looking to things like billboards and sexy advertisements and thinking that's how everyone is supposed to look.
Slimness works well in those cases where pose and posture are key. For example, ballet dancing is based a lot on expression through poses of the body. It doesn't quite work so well on an obese woman doing ballet dancing, because her outer body contours would tend to hide a lot of the subtle nuances of the pose.
Meanwhile, something like twerking tend to focus on outer contours, so a bit of weight is preferable and often a necessity there.
Fashion could potentially work well both ways, but traditionally it favored that kind of slim figure -- not because fashion designers are gay and want to hire "women who look like boys", but because there was a lot of emphasis on pose and posture.
Leave it up to the modeling agencies to choose whatever they want.
Do I like when fat people model? No, cause it's not attractive, but, it's not my money, therefore, if they wanna hire fat people, go ahead. Do I think it's right to promote an unhealthy lifestyle? No, not at all, but, it's not my money, so they can do whatever they want. I do think it's hypocritical to put a fat woman in a SPORTS Illustrated cover, I mean, isn't the purpose of sports to promote being healthy? Why on earth would they put a fat person on the cover of their magazine?
The only thing that bothers me about all this "body positivity" and shit, is that they're trying to tell me what I should find attractive. Fuck you, if I don't find fat women attractive, then I don't. Just like I don't force you to lose weight, don't force me to like you.
Totally agree, but skinny people on the Sports illustrated cover can be unhealthy too :) Some are born with nice bone structure, but don't work out or eat healthy anyway :)
@Swedgirl True, but you don't know that unless you do a medical exam on them. Just by looking at them, you will always consider a skinny person to be more healthy than a fat person. It's what it represents.
That's true✋🏼 I think the ideal cover is a woman with some abs, and a body that people don't doubt is really fit, since it's sports illustrated and should motivate to working out👍🏼 Overweight/obese people who are clearly unhealthy don't fit in that description.
Lmao what most fail to realize is that the model industry is ran by gay men who only hire thin model's because they resemble thin boyish figure's. The average American is a size 12 or 14/16 sooooo yeah representation is EVERYTHING! So skinny as a string bean or big as a beach ball... who am I to judge? I embrace all and I like diversity. I'm just over this body bashing! How can we all move forward if we are still trying to keep those old ways... My sister is 80lbs lighter than and I'm healthier than her lol so all this I like healthy slim bullshit is just another excuse to hate on people who aren't even paying attention to a damn scale honestly. #TruthHurts... doesn't it? Lmao😂
89% of you (not asker lol) need to cut off the t. v's and pit down the mag's for a few month's and then re-evaluate your thought process/answer's... cause I guarantee it will have all changed... Why? Because you'll be thinking for yourself at that moment☺ "Do I really dislike natural hairstyles? Why do I like thigh gap's? Why do I have buy this and do that to be liked? Etc WTC etccccc!
The only thing I hate about this is that it assumes overweight women are "normal" or "average" when they aren't. THIS is what an average woman's body looks like: thebarbelle.files.wordpress.com/.../...94414_n.jpg
Nah man I don't agree. Only elite should be models. Lol legit 4/10s that are over weight should be be modeling clothes. UNless the company can make a profit just solely promoting this movement then it isn't in their best interest. They want their products to look good. Clothes look better on better looking people.
She still looks overweight in the swim suit pic but does look better. This girl is pretty but also overweight. Lol your 24 dude your goals should be higher than that bodytype. Only reason she looks decent is because of her above aver proportions and bone structure. Someone with average bone structure would carry that weight terribly.
Haha she's hot af. I'm sorry, I'm ghetto. We like our women cornbread and tortilla fed thick.
Would you consider yourself part of the elite too? Like you want to see men with your body shape as opposed to "dad bods"? Lol i.huffpost.com/.../o-DADBOD-facebook.jpg
Top tier in the sense that I look better than 90% of the general male population body wise? Yeah. Top tier model status? Nah.. Could maybe do low end stuff later on. Friend owns his own fitness apparel company and wants me to advertise is stuff on his website. Small company but none the less professional. And to answer your question. FUCK dad bods lmao
She's heavier than I prefer but she's not unnatractive. From the waist up she looks pretty hot but her legs look unnatractive to me. Overall she is better proportioned than most girls of similar body fat percentages.
You guys aren't shallow but smart. A MBBS should be a doctor, a B. Tech should be an Engineer, a top scorer should be the striker of the team so, only an attractive person should be in modelling because that's what modelling means. The society is becoming so PC and this is a propaganda to amuse nearly half of the population of America which is obese (wild guessing) and earn money through it.
I don't even agree with some "plus size models" (let me tell you why) People like tess munster (or is it holiday?) are just promoting obesity. That is not 'plus size' that is sick. A healthy woman would be half of her.. Even plus size women aren't as big as she is, that is obesity.
I think that we should have models that are considered healthy, and "pretty" in the face. "Pretty" meaning the ideal, since it's subjective. There should be skinny models, normal models, bigger models. Anything that promotes health.
Anyone saying skinny isn't healthy isn't taking genetics into their judgement. Some people are naturally skinny. I am.
i think there's no point to having models its a bullshit 'pfesimon. but if people mist have them they should look like average people bc thats the majority of people buying clothes. a 5 ft 3 person will have no idea how clothing will look when warn by a 6 ft person at the same weight. anyhow the bodies get more extreme the uglier the clothing is I've never seen attractive clothing n the runway. its just all crazy and obscene attention getter. more average looking models are in clothing magazines and the are the clothes people wear. so thats better, but i do think models should come in all shapes and sizes shades etc. except they should not be unhealthy. they should be above and below certain weights, vmi should be with heathy range., most models would be institutionalized for low weigh if they were not famous. i dont mean thin. i mean where all the bones are going through. not healthy not attractive but they male millions to sell 'sick'.
I cringed at the new jc penny commercial. As a once fat girl I couldnt understand why they had to make it seem so depressing. I do think we are forcing a lot lf things on people same sex marriage waa just legalized last year now everything trans is being forced ln people forcing their beleifs on us. J haven't seen many plus size modela in commercials but i am seeing them more in magazines which is funny cause its always a back handed ad like how to loose weight lolBUT I DO NOT think Tess shouldn't be ok with her weight she is at least almost 400lbs but she claims to be like 230. Yea nope.
I voted B), because if they're showing off their appearance, they may as well be attractive.
HOWEVER the typical underweight models are NOT attractive, so I'm glad for the push towards girls that actually look like they've been eating properly and regularly instead of dying inside.
I don't promote obese women and in the pictures for the first poll shows women that are above 200 pounds.
I prefer the healthiest ones that can be normal but be in amazing shape/ pretty good shape. So like the average European body, since the average American is over weight and unhealthy.
I think it's good for society to have ideals, and women like Tess Holliday is not that. We don't celebrate anorexia, why should we celebrate obesity?
Just because models are an unrealistic perfection, does not mean that normal women can't be gorgeous or that everyone is obligated to find rail thin models more attractive than a more curvy woman. Im not saying we should ban gorgeous models like Iskra Lawrence, but they should not be in the same category as conventional models and society should not pretend that there is no difference between them.
I'm leaving this country. 75% overweight country doesn't make it "average". That shit ain't "average" in other countries. In another 20 years, it'll be nothing but fatasses on billboards. Seriously, this country has gone to the dogs.
I'm half ghetto, and I never liked that. But I'm also 5'10, 130 pounds. If she weighs more than me, it's a turn off. Most of the time. Although, I'm definitely gonna see if she waddles. But her stomach isn't flat, it just looks flat-ish. There's subcutaneous fat--underneath the skin, so someone can be fat but not look too fat. And her arms are huge.
I think every woman should dream to be a model. And yes I think there should be a level of attractiveness. But also, I think it should be up to the designers - if you have a brand of plus size only should be allowed to pick a suitable model. Forcing everyone to be one or the other is retarded.
That iskra girl was actually rejected as a plus size model for not being big enough to be considered plus sized lol. The diversity came when she got a deal with Aerie for a "unretouched" positive body image campaign.
im good with it as long as its a healthy form we are showing our youth.. I dont believe showing a morbidly obese woman as attractive sets a good standard.. That being said im good with most plus sized models as they are just healthy women
I'm certainly not in favor of that ridiculous requirement that models should be super skinny... the classis modeling business is an anorexia machine :o So I'm in favour of the idea to let people do modeling no matter what their figure looks like :D Everyone is beautiful in their own way!
i dont like thin models but i dont like these either! they are trying to hard in my opinion. it all looks so forced, almost like they had to conform to some wacky agenda.
I'm all for showing a diversity of sizes. Currently you see mostly tiny models and "plus sized" models who are truly overweight. Seeing average sized models and a range of sizes, not just the extremes, would be really great.
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